Tunnel under CPP confirmed by old map - the whole neighborhood was once swamp land and is full of these drainage tunnels (pizzagate)

submitted ago by Sentastixc

http://sli.mg/wtAu7n

Note that Chappell Road in the pic is currently 36th Street

You can find the map I screenshotted here: https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3851bm.gct00131c/?sp=24

You can find & track all these small branches coming from Broad Branch. These have been turned into drainage/sewage when the land got developed. High probabability you can walk from CPP to Tenleytown Metro station during the day without seeing daylight once.

flyingcuttlefish ago

I made some maps from the OLD MAP - (cropped) that are close-ups of the CPP area of the map.

http://cfgate.wordpress.com/CONN/

I am adding one more that's really big size. It's in jpg format so people can open it with PAINT or more common programs.

Sentastixc ago

Good effort, but you are wrong about 36th street and the coords. Follow the Broad Branch and you will see.

flyingcuttlefish ago

OK. Feel free to take an image and draw on it and send to me. My contact info is in the 'ABOUT' section on the blog.

I hope I copied the right section of the big map ... near the bottom of it.

smudgepotforever ago

This is a show I used to watch on History Channel. I vaguely remembered this and found it. It appears things are pretty locked down in DC, including the sewers. You go nowhere in the sewer without clearance, in DC anyway. Could be them talking it up for security theater, but maybe not.

https://youtu.be/jn6KPjTbuP0

PQhonest ago

I've seen posts wanting to figure out "CumPanda". Here's a theory related to this tunnel information:

There's even more "CumPanda" on the @cboutlier thread: http://archive.is/pFzR4 "Cum" means "with" in latin. https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=cum%20in%20latin. Alefantis et al. seem to have a certain penchant for using latin.

Theory: "CumPanda" means "with panda" and refers to a tunnel near or under the National Zoo. Would be an easy draw to get kids to enter a tunnel that leads to or gets near a Panda exhibit.

Question: do the tunnel maps show any connection to the National Zoo? https://nationalzoo.si.edu/visit/zoo-map

flyingcuttlefish ago

Great find!

Adding to my blog post about the tunnels ....

http://flyingcuttlefish.wordpress.com/2016/11/21/pizzagate-thinking-about-tunnels

Fateswebb ago

This page gives an error is it working for others or has it. Even removed?

Sentastixc ago

reload it a few times, it should work If not, use the download function at the left bottom to download the file

cannabiscowboy ago

Drain the swamp!

ich1baN ago

That's pretty bizarre, hopefully Trump is saying it in an attempt to get people to research this rather than being on the inside.... we better pray that at least or else this shit is all going to get swept under the rug.

OrwellKnew ago

I take it as more of "I know what you've been doing witch, and I'm going to come after you for it". But based in a joke so it could be brushed off publically

JoJoVoat ago

Im reminded of this pix on JA instagram photos

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146343979@N02/30722759462/in/photostream/

JoJoVoat ago

Are you freaking serious??? That's the first I've heard this statement. Does Trump mean that shes villages of children?

OrwellKnew ago

Yes. It means he knows what she has been doing in Haiti. The Clinton Foundation has been human/child trafficking

skippingirl ago

I made a post about this a while ago but it didn't get much traction.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1458012

XVktm ago

You guys should all go down there and check it out but make sure you wait until we get another derecho. Sometime in spring would be best.

Fire_Fly ago

I think these two discussions re the tunnels are worthy of bringing up again, with this new evidence. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1441518 https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1471543

I know most people thought those two guys who did the tunnel video were fakers, but they do mention the swamp in it and show the entrance to the tunnel behind CPP out in the wooded / ditchlike area.

remedy4reality ago

This post is so weak and cannot even be considered evidence.

Really, if kids are compliant enough to be playing ping pong in Comet, just why are tunnels needed to move them from place to place? Furthermore, are kids only removed from Comet through secret tunnels or do they enter, too? I really wish people would start thinking. As a hypothetical defense attorney for the ring, I would destroy this line of questioning with ease.

YingYangMom ago

I think this is more like a 'no stone left unturned' investigation. Nothing should be left out.

remedy4reality ago

So, you think superimposing a cryptic old map over the current street layout is 'ground breaking' or substantive ? This post may be titillating to the imagination, but it has zero substance.

YingYangMom ago

I'd say otherwise, especially when Alefantis posts pics of orange sewer cones with a $ on them a bit everywhere. He seems to be hinting at something through them. Anyway, it seems a bit odd to me. Take a look at the pictures I posted on this thread.

remedy4reality ago

Or it's a total misdirection intended to lead investigators down a primrose path to nowhere. Because, you know.. he's CIA. He is dropping false clues and many are playing right into his hands.

YingYangMom ago

Btw, who ever said he was CIA? Is there evidence to support these allegations?

remedy4reality ago

I said he was CIA. I know he is CIA, because he is getting cover from incredibly powerful people in the highest levels of media and government. Do you want Brennan to come out and admit he is CIA so you can believe it? Or would his CIA id suffice? Just how is someone other the Director or the Deputy Director of the CIA ever identified ? At this point, how can you not understand that this entire thing is about pedo-blackmail and not some perverted pizza guy who pimps kids to pedos?

YingYangMom ago

IF he is, and it's a big IF... He makes a really shitty agent. Getting the whole world to focus on you, your circle of friends and your fascinations by flaunting your creepy stuff is NOT what I would call the work of a great CIA agent. It doesn't make any sense to me based on his narcissic and extraverted personality. I believe he makes a much better MK Ultra victim-perpetator, but of course, that's just me.

remedy4reality ago

We are both right. All MKUltra fall under the CIA umbrella. It seems he is very valuable and may even have a stash of intel squirreled away as leverage. We need to re-imagine just what the CIA actually is, imho.

YingYangMom ago

Fair enough.

YingYangMom ago

Dropping hints like that even before PG broke does not make them a false clue.

remedy4reality ago

I am very familiar with intelligence tactics and that is SOP for a CIA op like Alefantis. It creates layers and layers of false leads that can be intentionally highlighted to pull focus away from significant ones, if the ring is ever uncovered, like now. I am alerting people to the McMartin case and the narrative being pushed by the MSM. The 'tunnels' thing is right in their sweet spot.They love it.

Sentastixc ago

Probably most kids you will see playing ping pong are not salesware... There was analyisis on here recently that proposed CPP is a kind of show room where you can pick one through the cctv system in cpp. (like one particular is the salesware table). There has got to be another place to pick up this order(a place that, of course, has not vans going in and out from CPP...)

remedy4reality ago

I hate this tunnel thing. I think it's a huge distraction and unless posts about tunnels are more substantive, they should be struck. This post is terrible. C'mon, a map hundreds of years old is proof of what exactly? I do believe Comet was/is the showcase that was eventually moved ( Jimmy's IG posts with kids were YEARS ago ), but even if tunnels are found then WHAT EXACTLY? How does a centuries old tunnel prove a child trafficking ring? IT DOES NOT. Let me ask you this: Did kids ENTER Comet through the tunnels,too ? No.. I'm sure that answer is NO. So, why do they need to EXIT Comet through tunnels. God.. this is so damn stupid.

Sentastixc ago

You have to deal with the physicality of the crime. They kids have to be, physically, in the same room as the people that abuse them. The logistics of things like this is always deliberately hidden, as uncovering the logistics of the crime has the potential to expose connections made in other areas of a case.

I never said I proven I trafficking ring, did I?....... I said a 100 years old map of creeks running through the neighborhood confirm that there ran a creek EXACTLY underneath CPP on to the other side of the road to the place HRC visited and was photographed. It is confirmed that these creeks have been built into sewer drainage tunnels.

Are you telling me it's not huge to claim with high probability the following:

That CPP, the WH, Pegasus museum, and virtally all other sites of importance in DC are connected through a vast, vast network of underground tunnels?

remedy4reality ago

Yeah... put the fucking kid under your arm and jump in your Mercedes or navigate miles of stinky, rat infested sewers as you make your way to the White House. You are being absurd and you're too locked in to realize it.

Again, I would destroy this 'evidence' in a court of law and if a prosecuting attorney insisted on focusing on it, he would LOSE.

Sentastixc ago

Why are you assuming these tunnels are rat infested? I actually think you are locked in your perception of possibility.

I actually think they got little VIP train shuttles running underground for that kind of stuff.

Search the white house site for secret tunnels and read a little bit. You will see, it is public knowledge DC is a massive network of secret underground tunnels.

remedy4reality ago

No... it's your fascination with tunnels that has locked you in. This is like arguing over whether blue vans or black vans are being used to transport kids. These tunnel posts keep finding their way to the top, time and time again. and what they are doing is distracting from a powerful narrative that CHILDREN ARE BEING TRAFFICKED, TORTURED AND KILLED. Most of America already thinks the PG shooter went 'looking for kids in tunnels'. Remember how that turned out? They exploited the initial IG posts about tunnels to ridicule the investigation, at the outset. I know there is a vast network of tunnels and I am saying 'SO THE FUCK WHAT?' I suggest you look into the McMartin case and gain an understanding of how the prosecution's obsession with tunnels DESTROYED their case.

Sentastixc ago

Why do you think they had that false flag at CPP? Because CPP is the place where a part of the transactions actually took place.

Trying to figure out how these transactions looked is very important. You will NEVER win ANY case with "a powerful narrative that CHILDREN ARE BEING TRAFFICKED, TORTURED AND KILLED"

You need to have a coherent story about the ACTUAL CRIME

remedy4reality ago

The NARRATIVE is what we are talking about here. Most Americans think idiots are looking for tunnels and Hillary is running a pedo ring out of Comet. THAT IS THE NARRATIVE in the MSM and it's been extremely successful at turning people away.

Sentastixc ago

Looks like YOU are the one who is MORE WORRIED about what the MSM say than real RESEARCH

remedy4reality ago

dude.. you threw a 200 year old map over the current street view and called it 'research'. And yes, unless the majority of Americans are informed of what PG really is, this entire investigation is going nowhere. The MSM is making a mockery out of this horrible thing that we all agree is REAL. If we really care about ending this and bringing justice, we need to be ready to fill the streets in the millions, and the discovery of tunnels is not going to galvanize support.

Sentastixc ago

Looking through your posts, this is your 3rd highest rated contribution: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1539432 with title "

'Thong Dungeon ' has a barred window that is the same height and relative size as the barred window(s) of the suspected Pegasus 'kill room' property. Check it out.

So that is viable research but this is not? A window on the same approximate height?

You are just craving for something that makes the public go berserk and revolution. Tunnels don't fit with that fairy tale picture in your mind so you bash it.

remedy4reality ago

No.. I explained clearly the tunnels are distracting from important locations and their functions, like the Pegasus Museum. The 'thong dungeon' post is 5th, not 3rd, and it dovetails with another one of my posts about Pegasus ( see text below ). That post explained the strange construction at Pegasus that Scott Cummings built and it was DELETED by a mod who has been here less than a month, after it stood for 7 hours and had roughly 50 upvotes. Another submission connecting Cummings website verbiage with MKUltra participants was also deleted after gaining 70+ upvoats. Meanwhile, some slacker posted a subway map over the Pegasus location and drew wild conclusions about its relevance. This post was permitted.

Deleted post : 'The construction modifications of the Pegasus building are very, very interesting: A staircase that small children would find impossible to climb. An elevated second floor that looks more like a viewing platform, not only for the space below, but for the windows at the top of the space that overlook the playground. The platform is also on a rail for sliding back and forth over the space below and from window to window and can even cover the staircase, preventing access from below. The wooden table stands alone, without any indication it's used as perhaps a coffee table. To me, it's design looks like a workbench with a shape ideal for splaying out a small body ( I know, HORRIBLE ). Lastly, the observatory/skylight at the top of the building with an eagle eye view of the playground below. Just throwing out hypothetical thoughts here>> Comet was the former viewing area for the 'merchandise' where buyers would shop.The large number of unattended children that were witnessed by YELP! reviewers was worrying the pedo ring. Something more discrete was needed and also likely requested by the clientele and a new setup was designed and constructed. Pegasus was built to become a 'one stop' shop where children could be paraded in the playground and observed from the modified building. Money could be laundered with art directly off the walls of the 'museum'. Then into torture chamber, complete with viewing platform and then on to the killroom, where bodies could be processed for transport or disposal.'

Sentastixc ago

Why were these post deleted? Could you link me to them? Sounds like good info.

So your feud with tunnels is personal, I see. You should complain in /v/pizzagatemods about wrongfully deleted posts

remedy4reality ago

These posts were deleted on technicalities and even dismissed as unrelated to PG ( another deleted post below ). You're right, I don't like the tunnel posts unless they can be accompanied by something more ( a video proving access would be very relevant ), but I have yet to see any of that.

Scott Cummings ( @scummings ) FIRST piece ever is the PEDO triangle... (pizzagate) submitted 3 days ago by [deleted] Oh gee... what does this look like??? https://base-modern.com/collections/homeware/products/the-triangle-trivet

Description provided by Scummings: ' The TRIANGLE TRIVET was Base Modern's first design, and the inspiration for the forming of this company. Its form was inspired by the "impossible" or Penrose triangle as designed by Oscar Reutersvard in 1934. The Penrose triangle is a familiar object to us all due in large part to the work of M.C. Escher but also because of its use in populate culture. '

M.C. Escher's Artwork: http://educate-yourself.org/mc/illumformula1chap.shtml 'If the child has artistic brainwaves, then the programmer will use art work in programming. The art work of the European artist M.C. Escher is exceptionally well suited for programming purposes. Reversals, mirror images, illusion, and many other qualities appear in Escher’s art work which make all 76 or more of his major works excellent for programming. Example: Five children each given the same Alice In Wonderland script will each use the script differently during programming. The programmer takes the child’s own creativity and works with that unique creativity. The child must create the images himself if the programming is to hold. It won’t work if the images are someone else’s. The child organizes its internal world to suit his/her own experiences such as castles, boxes, rooms, and dollhouses. The PAS type testing will continue during the early years of the slave’s life to make sure the programming has not driven the child crazy or psycho. The child will move down the script decided for it for its whole life, based on these early tests.'

Sentastixc ago

Maybe you should find a subverse that is about "galvanizing millions to take to the streets"

lectorleoni ago

The tunnel idea is ancient history, it has been a topic of discussion on /pol/ since November. It's not just some random autist's idea, the elites themselves evidently have a tunnel fetish, so it is a legitimate angle.

remedy4reality ago

Yes.. it is.. and it's gone nowhere. I am not 100% against all evidence relating to tunnels, but they have to be much more comprehensive. This post is lazy, at best.

lectorleoni ago

Well, I personally dropped the tunnel lead after a few fruitless, sleepless nights researching DC sewer maps. But I actually learned something from this post. Maybe you didn't, but I still don't understand why you would trash somebody for "laziness" when someone might benefit even from what little they have shared. Not to sound too harsh, but it's an open source investigation, so it's probably best to practice the hacker ethic, mutatis mutandis. "Shut up and dig."

remedy4reality ago

what did you learn? please enlighten me.

quantokitty ago

Great! We're getting there.

Tunnels are necessary for this operation to work. This covert group would need them and they've been crucial in other insidious kinds of murder/kidnapping rings...if that's what this is.

remedy4reality ago

Tunnels are absolutely not necessary for this operation to work. Just how do you come to that conclusion?

DawnofTruth ago

I tend to agree but one MUST ask, where are all these children? Isn't there one child who can collaborate this ring (beside Cathy OBrien who is nearly 60 now?) Somewhere there must be one child who was able to escape this and tell his/her story. If not then.........are they all dead/eaten?....after being ushered through the tunnels like rats?

I am so sickened by all this. It was one thing when David Icke warned us 20+ years ago but this got all too real now.

Rigg5 ago

Soap

redditsuckz ago

Tunnels are absolutely not necessary for this operation to work

We dont know exactly what kind of operation we are dealing with here...or how big...

Some more underground tunnels in other cities - Cities under cities...;

Mystery Surrounds Leavenworth's Underground City - Kansas City

"No one knows why the tunnels and abandoned shops are there"

"Torture chamber" @1:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRiGYh7Rsgw

10 Mysterious Underground Cities

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5786651/10-mysterious-underground-cities

http://archive.is/X6uQF

ALDO_NOVA ago

Son of Sam used tunnels, Zodiac used tunnels at the Presidio

remedy4reality ago

Existing tunnels are even more ridiculous as 'evidence'.

'Mr. Alefantis, did you know there were tunnels under your establishment that were built in the 19th Century?.' 'No, I did not.' 'Mr. Alefantis, did you ever use the tunnels under your establishment?' 'I didn't know they were there so I could not have used them.'

'No more questions, your Honor.'

Fateswebb ago

Then why did we find THIS PING PONG BALL in the sewage tunnels under your store? I submit exhibit p.

cosmicmind ago

@remedy4reality
Sorry to burst your bubble here... but investigation ... ACTUAL investigation involves questioning and full daya. If during investigation they discover use of tunnels or construction or activity around them hos "no your honor" becomes perjury. Remember Martha Stewart went to jail NOT because of financial crime but because of perjury.

I'm on my phone and cant find the vid JA describes basement tunnels. Court change of info is perjury.

Thats what REAL investigators are looking for.

redditsuckz ago

Whats more ridiculous is that you think Alefantis will ever see the inside of a courtroom...no amount of evidence will ever bring this to trial...ever....

remedy4reality ago

I was being sarcastic and actually agree with you 100%. This will not likely ever see an honest judge and jury. I was using the courtroom scenario to explain just how silly this all is, even if it reaches a court of law.

scotchfor1 ago

I would agree with you if Volkswagen hadn't ended up in the news...

carmencita ago

If he gets close to a courtroom they will be gone in a flash v

BlueTesla ago

Very helpful atleast, you can take 'things' in and out without being seen.

remedy4reality ago

Bro... they have DC Cops and the MSM covering for them, for Christ sake... Just what do they need to hide? Comet is PUBLIC PLACE so I have no understanding why their transit to and from Comet needs to be clandestine.

dbstfbh ago

Even with cops and MSM covering their asses, they can't exactly walk victims out in public. Tunnels are a great way of moving cargo without being seen.

remedy4reality ago

Really? Imagine this scenario: Kids who are sold are kept at orphanages or in foster care. They get regular trips to Comet to parade in front of potential buyers and mingle with the kids of everyday customers, heading into Comet for nothing other than a pizza and a beer and some ping pong. Normal. The merchandise kids are not prostitutes up for rent, they are for sale. Once a kid is sold, he/she never sees Comet, or even the light of day again. They have no idea what is going on, until it's way too late. No need for cover, whatsoever. You could keep taking a kid back to Comet, until they are sold, and they would actually look forward to going. Makes a lot of sense, huh ?

dbstfbh ago

You're assuming that's all that goes on at CPP, which we don't know and shouldn't assume.

remedy4reality ago

bullshit... I did not assume that is all that goes on. I presented a very plausible and likely scenario where getting kids to and from Comet would not require a tunnel system. Help me out here, do you believe kids are 'abducted' in the traditional sense of being nabbed from parents in a public place and needing a quick and silent get away? How fucking sloppy would that be? My explanation is refined and clean. This is like a business and it's out in the open. My explanation follows Occam's razor.

Fateswebb ago

I feel like it's possible to do it in broad daylight and nobody would say a word... https://youtu.be/UCXw5mThRu0

dbstfbh ago

I agree that's a very plausible scenario, and you're most probably correct. My point is there may be more going on underground, and we shouldn't be so quick dismiss the tunnels because YOU can't see a use for them.

remedy4reality ago

No... there could be a use for them, but so what? It really does not add to the actual crime of trafficking, raping and murdering children. It's nothing more than logistics, when you get right down to it. I would like to get interviews from people who live right near the Pegasus museum about what they have seen or heard. I have strong feeling that building holds many keys.

DawnofTruth ago

Ah, so drain the swamp is not only a great catch phrase but it's literally true? How profoundly poignant!

Alex_A97 ago

He is figuratively pulling his pants down and waving it in the faces of those he knows are guilty and they can't do jackshit about it. Not without admitting what they engage in on a day-to-day basis one way or another. He will keep going at it with those extremely thinly veiled references until he's in a position to do something without the threat of reprisal.

OrwellKnew ago

Agreed. The best was his speech at the Al Smith Dinner:

“Everyone knows, of course, Hillary’s belief that, 'It takes a village,' which only makes sense, after all, in places like Haiti, where she’s taken a number of them."

If thats not signaling, I dunno what is

Flat_Truth ago

The full phrase "It takes a village"....is: "it takes a village to raise a child". He left out "to raise a child", and I don't think he was talking about her taking villages....

Black_Jesus ago

he's been dropping tons of slick references that he knows what theyre doing.

ich1baN ago

JA said this at the Al Smith Dinner? I'm not familiar with this event, thanks for your response.

scotchfor1 ago

The AL Davis speech was what finally made me decide to vote for Trump. It is a hallmark speech.

FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago

That mother fucker.

Annon365 ago

Did anyone further investigate the blurred out drainage cover at the back of comet on google maps? If I lived by there I would go and check it out. If there is really tunnels you would only need to get in at one point and confirm it yourself

Annon365 ago

Are the dotted lines the tunnels?

Sentastixc ago

No, the dotted lines appear to be blueprints for roads that are yet to be built (1903 map)

The tunnels are the creeks

lollipolli ago

in some picture I saw of Pegasus there were orange dotted lines running along the ground....thought it was just graffiti but I wonder ....

Black_Jesus ago

likely utilities.

Annon365 ago

Thanks

carmencita ago

There was a post on here that led me to an article about how the CIA used MKUltra on Leonard Cohen in Montreal. Montreal has the largest underground tunnels. This could be in connection to CIA. Also it is connected the article said to Trudeau. Who is more than willing to help the CIA since he is BO bff. He was also mentioned to be abused and MKUltra. I believe there are tunnels under all big cities used in this trafficking. Who How is the question. We just have to find the answers.

YingYangMom ago

Yeah, MK Ultra would be a much better description for Alefantis than CIA friggin agent.

carmencita ago

They need to do another session because I think he is losing it. He is making mistakes & getting panicky.

happyme73db ago

Good work....