We need more investigators, more minds, more time invested in pizzagate and the immense number of surrounding issues where we might find breakthroughs --

There has been wonderful work done here and hope it continues.

There is a lot of room for more people looking into all of this and more investigators.

:)

I would be willing to help moderate. Another problem with Voat, my account keeps getting deleted for no apparent reason. I promise I'm not a newb shill.

Good argument. Playing devil's advocate I'd say, that Assange meant the official 9/11 conspiracy theory, that a few camel riders with carpet knifes committed 9/11, were undetected by all US secret agencies and made the twin towers collapse in freefall with kerosine, which is the most absurd of all conspiracy theories.

If Assange would support the official 9/11 version, then my trust would be severely damaged.

I agree, but then I look at what they DO, not what they say. Excluding Greenwald, but without Assange we would have never heard about the Podesta emails. In 10 years Wikileaks, it seems there was not a single non authentic info. Assange is living in a prison for years. They tried to smear him and destroy him. So this man to me has proven, that he is taking the most severe consquences for what he does. It's another question, if he is still alive, but if he is, I think asking Assange and getting his opinion, should be very helpful.

I do think this platform is compromised. I think voat was set up to undermine competition and catch communities migrating from reddit.

we should be doing some digging on this little site.

i don't think a new plataform is such a good idea. they can't take down huge websites like voat for one or two subverses, but they can take down one random website in a heartbeat.

One at a time 1) yes I would like to migrate to something safer - how are you going to assure people you are not a worse problem or the same as far as shills and CTR, CIA, etc? 2) I would volunteer moderation time 3) pedopizzagate.com, pedogate.com, = these are your two most powerful domain names 4) no I cannot pay. I would hope you woud get some major donars at first.

I suggest using citizeninvestigators.com, since we are more than just Pizzagate.

How long do you need to deliver that platform?

My suggestions is to have a discussion forum, posts there don't get buried/lost as quickly and allows for more direct contact with members.

Personally I think you'd be better off making daily videos summarizing all of the new info gathered. There are many who don't like to read a lot of info. I re-post highlights on another site which has many threads. Just one video that's easy to understand would be helpful as an alternative. Gear it to the less educated. Conclude with suggestions of what you want the general public to do. Pray that Trump WILL clean up the swamp.

If your videos get banned from YouTube there's a competitor waiting to start a rival. You'll get advertising which will pay for your videos. It's the top way to make $$ on a home based business. There are those making $80,000 a month with very stupid vids with low interest but a good marketing campaign.

dedicated platform

Already have some from the GamerGate faction ahead of you: https://pizzagate.ml

1 - yes I would be willing to use 2 - no, ain't nobody got time fo' dat 3 - my voat is for citizeninvestigators.org (not .com) 4 - I will toss a penny or so into the tip jar 5 - Godspeed

Are you familiar with Ethereum? The most optimal solution would be a full decentralized platform. I am not sure whether something similar is being built yet as I am out of the Ethereum community, but it would forever take out the possibility of censorship.

Although I agree completely, great stuff is buried, I am not convinced a similar "social" site will work. I am considering using the Google Sites platform to do the same thing you are. The advantages to a web site, especially the G platform are:

1) Information will be static and quit moving around.

2) No Trolls or Shills

3) Everything can be categorized and organized, with simple Navigation menus.

4) I can give page level permissions so a lot of people can help.

5) I can enable comments per page

6) There can be many sections, and many pages per section.

7) I can also create a password protected section so we can store all the PII away from view, but visible.

8) (deleted, included too much traceable info)

9) I create backend Intranets for companies, this is a no-brainier for me to set up the architecture and permissions can easily be changed.

Not to say we Give Up VOAT, this place is fabulous, but I so agree, this is unmanageable. As I said in another thread, somewhere here, is that If this was MY PROJECT, the absolute first thing I would do is immediately organize all the information.

We could try both and see which one sticks.

No! We need to keep using this platform and stick to what we got already. We already migrated from Reddit and I must admit getting used to Voat took some effort. I Hate having to re-learn and figure out how the different platform you are proposing is gonna ork. Also, it;s too much effort and resource to build something from scratch. We have enough tools on here for now.

The Voat platform is 1) compromised

How so?

I have an idea to make a social platform specifically for pizzagate

That sounds suspicioulsy like a way to get people to self seggregate themselves out of public attention and gather a whole bunch of traking data to hunt down people IRL.

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Instead of causing a dilution of effort by creating yet-another-platform, why not create a solid gathering of all the best, well sourced info in one place that can be referred to as a media ready source?

A central repository of verified info that can be used by those awful "fact check" types and could help provide copypasta for forum people.
Think of it as a snopes for pizzagate, but one that all the diverse comminuties can contribute to when they dig out one of the diamonds. (btw, I hate snopes - they are full of shit shills)

Important things that can help lend credibility are the layout and formatting, meta tagging like "factual" or "silly conspiracy" and "disinformation" etc will make it clear that the site is a reliable reference.

I'll be sceptical, but open to observing how this progresses.

As far as shills go, you could always vet them before they are approved to post. I have several boards on facebook that I do that way. They must have some kind of acct such as facebook, twitter, etc... that you can go and look at to see what kind of info they are posting there. If they have no accts anywhere then they are not allowed to post. Just my 2 cents worth.

I think you need to think this through a bit better, and for that you need a few experts in security to join you, and for that reason it is good you post the idea here. Especially if it has a smaller audience, less prone to invasion by shills, it would put its members at a much more serious risk of identification and persecution IRL by the bad guys. But, that same smaller member base, and some organization (maybe a fancy branching tree tag gui?), could be a huge boost to the capabilities of the group to investigate good leads and communicate new evidence to the entire group quickly (without members needing to be constantly up on the latest info).

That said, it is also important to remain on every platform we can in order to disseminate what is discovered, and prevent the truth about who these vile monsters really are from being forgotten. So, I support any new platform, though the smaller it is the more secure and anonymous it had better be.

Google sheets. Spreadsheets of all this information will allow macros to be created as very effective investigative tools.

I'm more of a consume/digest/regurgitate follower of this investigation since I don't have much experience in investigative research, but I'd be more than happy and willing to assist with this new platform when I can. Be that moderation or some other way, we need more soapboxes if we're to get our voices above this crowd.

Not a honey pot. But of course no matter what I say, there will always be disbelievers. For the record, as I mentioned on another comment, I am just a concerned citizen who wants to do what I can to help improve the survival and success of Pizzagate. For all we know, Voat could be a honeypot. We were doing fine on reddit for a little while but got wiped clean. What else have we got to lose?

Old diamond posts. What about the new ones incoming, and the ones that get buried? Not everything gets added to the sidebar.

Yes, I too can also sift through to find the relevant stuff. The big problem is that the relevant stuff is maybe featured for a day or so, but then it disappears. We need something that will allow us to have ongoing discussion on one topic as time progresses, instead of the information disappearing when it's no longer the "most popular". Then, we have the issue of newcomers not knowing what has already been discussed or not. There are many problems like this that I intend to solve with the site.

Rense.com has taken a month of our work on voat and condensed it to two web pages, just keep it bookmarked.

http://www.rense.com/general96/pizzapimps.htm

http://www.rense.com/general96/pizzagateyoichi.htm

Don't trust anything on voat, they have already deleted the work of blueberry and legionwill, two investigators that discovered the SAUDI links to DOJ

DOJ cover for Saudi assets

The most perceptive insights on VOAT are focused on Arab-Saudi ownership of the entire city block underneath Comet Pizza and a nearby pizzeria called Besta (not Basta, the Italian word for enough or too much), operated by Abdul Hamade (Abdel Rahmann Hammad), who is also owner of the Boli pizza chain) and Samir Sbitan. Besta, as in bestiality, has for its logo the “Boy Lovers” symbol, a triangular spiral. Are there any sheep out back?

The entire lot under Besta and Comet is owned, on paper at least, by attorney Andrew J. Kline, a graduate of the Kennedy School at Harvard. To disguise his government work at the Department of Justice, Kline hides behind a front business, the “Veritas” law office located on Dupont Circle and with a field office in Chevy Chase, near Comet Pizza. Further pursuit by online researchers showed the same curly-haired lawyer Kline to be a Bill Clinton appointee in the Department of Justice (DOJ) Human Trafficking Prosecution Unit, when Janet Reno was Attorney General.

The junior partner at Veritas is Stephen J. Whelan, who worked previously at Metro (the D.C. Transport Agency), an interesting coincidence with the controversy over the old Red Line Tunnel under Connecticut Avenue, mentioned in a John Podesta email.

Kline’s employment with Justice causes some befuddlement among Pizzagate hunters, as it raises the question of whether Comet Pizza is an FBI honey trap to nab international child-smugglers. My educated guess is no, based on my work in an undercover journalistic probe into the secret activities of the human-trafficking bureau at Justice and the State Department.

Despite its pretense of stopping people smugglers, the human trafficking program does the exact opposite, organizing and facilitating the transport of, say, North Koreans and Chinese Uyghurs into Thailand and onto the US territory of Saipan. U.S. consular officers provide money and fake passports to “snakeheads” from China and, more recently, Turkish traffickers who transported Mideast and African migrants by boat to Greece and onto Germany since the summer of 2015. The human trafficking officers aid and abet the flow of illegals, and often prevent immigration and Border Patrol from detaining their live cargo.

Certainly, the Podesta brothers would not be assigned to a honey trap, as that would compromise their intelligence roles. The large property in Chevy Chase has to be part of a political bribery deal between the Arabs and the Clintons, now being protected by the Obama administration.

Ok, fair enough. Good luck to you sir.

Member for 1.4 days

You pizzagate guys are not gonna fall for this, right?

I dont agree with this because this is still a HUGE platform, we will be reaching over 10,000 people here soon.

Lets stay with what works. There are shills here but is it really ENTIRELY comprimised? No I think we're still sharing information and people are able to spot trolls. Once I can downvote I will be able to contribute to exposing the trolls as well.

What we need is a relationship model to keep track of the data and connections. Every place should should have relationships to the people/addresses/news and everything else. From there we could input good data and know where there are opportunities or dead ends.

Did you actually read this?

Andrew Kline is the registrar, its all the same person. Read or shut the fuck up.

The most perceptive insights on VOAT are focused on Arab-Saudi ownership of the entire city block underneath Comet Pizza and a nearby pizzeria called Besta (not Basta, the Italian word for enough or too much), operated by Abdul Hamade (Abdel Rahmann Hammad), who is also owner of the Boli pizza chain) and Samir Sbitan. Besta, as in bestiality, has for its logo the “Boy Lovers” symbol, a triangular spiral. Are there any sheep out back?

The entire lot under Besta and Comet is owned, on paper at least, by attorney Andrew J. Kline, a graduate of the Kennedy School at Harvard. To disguise his government work at the Department of Justice, Kline hides behind a front business, the “Veritas” law office located on Dupont Circle and with a field office in Chevy Chase, near Comet Pizza. Further pursuit by online researchers showed the same curly-haired lawyer Kline to be a Bill Clinton appointee in the Department of Justice (DOJ) Human Trafficking Prosecution Unit, when Janet Reno was Attorney General.

The junior partner at Veritas is Stephen J. Whelan, who worked previously at Metro (the D.C. Transport Agency), an interesting coincidence with the controversy over the old Red Line Tunnel under Connecticut Avenue, mentioned in a John Podesta email.

Kline’s employment with Justice causes some befuddlement among Pizzagate hunters, as it raises the question of whether Comet Pizza is an FBI honey trap to nab international child-smugglers. My educated guess is no, based on my work in an undercover journalistic probe into the secret activities of the human-trafficking bureau at Justice and the State Department.

Despite its pretense of stopping people smugglers, the human trafficking program does the exact opposite, organizing and facilitating the transport of, say, North Koreans and Chinese Uyghurs into Thailand and onto the US territory of Saipan. U.S. consular officers provide money and fake passports to “snakeheads” from China and, more recently, Turkish traffickers who transported Mideast and African migrants by boat to Greece and onto Germany since the summer of 2015. The human trafficking officers aid and abet the flow of illegals, and often prevent immigration and Border Patrol from detaining their live cargo.

Certainly, the Podesta brothers would not be assigned to a honey trap, as that would compromise their intelligence roles. The large property in Chevy Chase has to be part of a political bribery deal between the Arabs and the Clintons, now being protected by the Obama administration.

I have no time to moderate, but I would gladly leave VOAT, because a system, that buries old stuff automatically with new stuff is just awful and makes focused and longer discussions impossible.

I'd recommend not to use the term pizzagate, because I believe this is much, much bigger than CPP, for example the shady Clinton Foundation and how it intervened in Haiti to free child abductor Laura Silsby.

Since we do not know, how far this network goes and for how long it has been operating (centuries?), I think it should be a name, that suits that potential size.

There are so many childcare-organizations, who seem to be involved in human trafficking. But to my knowledge, there is no platform, that helps to investigate child-trafficking, pedophilia and satanic rituals.

Citizeninvestigators IMO sounds not professional. The goal must be, to be attractive for professional investigators, because so many investigations seem to be limited at a certain level and these honest people, who do their best to uncover the worst scum on this planet, surely suffer tremendously, if their bosses are stopping them. A good platform would offer these people also room to discuss and exchange infos (or if they know, that the good infos will land on that platform, then maybe they would also go the route over Wikileaks and from Wikileaks the info is taken to your platform).

But honestly I see a huge problem: If you are successful, then this platform would become a primary target for the forces of unspeakable evil (and keep in mind: people that rape or kill children in rituals, are ready to do everything). And if the reactions of the mainstream media and politics worldwide, including the pope, to a "ridiculus fake story" are an indicator how deep that hole goes, then I fear it will not be able to hold up an effective platform and withstand without the backup of a very powerful government, that is really able to protect you and your platform.

Sorry to be not an optimist but you should have no illusions of the forces you are going to unleash, in case the platform is a success.

Maybe you should also contact J. Assange (if he is still alive), Craig Murray, a former British ambassador to Uzbekistan http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-11/former-uk-ambassador-blasts-cias-blatant-lies-shows-little-simple-logic-destroys-the or Glen Greenwald first... They probably can tell you not only about the problems, but also give tips, how to avoid infiltration, become secure from government intervention and much more.

Additionally I want to add: If Donald Trump is also in the club - which I hope is not the case - then I believe everything would be moot anyway. He and the handful of men he depicts, probably will be the very last hope this planet has. If not even this election, that made the MSM drop their masks, can make a difference, then IMO no platform in the world can.

Lawyers for one.

Most of the ppl on 4chan,8chan,reddit,and voat r children

There are ppl who have investigated this stuff 60+ years

http://www.rense.com/general96/pizzapimps.htm

http://www.rense.com/general96/pizzagateyoichi.htm

I'll check back in 15 months when you have something working.

Fuck that. It sounds like a clean up operation.

If what Epluribis says is true, that the 'big boys' have taken over because so many people are talking openly about it, that means a citizens' investigations are successful! People are opening their eyes to the huge epidemic of child trafficking/ murder in the world. This phenomena is deeply embedded in our culture. I think a platform devoted exclusively to citizens' investigations is inevitable. Why not start one up now, somebody will sooner or later, better sooner than later, right?

So true!!

What is your plan for staying focused on truth, averting shills, and how do we know YOU are legit?

The fact is, we have no organization here with what needs to be researched.

Control freaks, control freaks...

Get used to it. Open source is anarchic. Let a thousand flowers bloom (and let the fittest survive).

No, I am not willing to devote attention to a product not created, that does not have a proper proposal, and would be on untested grounds. Sorry, but if other people move that way and it shows to be secure and useful I would, but you haven't dropped any of the following which just makes me think this is the crappiest sales pitch I've ever heard.

1.) Feature documentation - what's it got over voat and how will the user layout be

2.) Basic assurance of tech to support a DDoS attack - can the systems you plan on putting this onto handle a full blown attack. Are you going to use f5 or HAProxy. Is this going to be some product that you don't care about the architecture and hand off to Amazon to host (in which case - hell no)

3.) Permission control schematic should definitely be highlighted in number one. What algorithm and method do you purpose to keep shills out. Easy enough to say you will, but that's just bullshit.

I need comment points to PM. Please help!!

Suggest you get setup on https://www.patreon.com so you can fund your project.

Be careful a lot of legal backend will be needed as well as clear and concise moderation to deal with the constant CP being uploaded to bring the site down.

1) I will go if the majority goes. It is not the platform that is the key decider for me. I need a platform where the most people are so I can absorb as much content as I can and then go to twitter and put it out there.

I am finding voat pretty good. There is a lot of information getting lost I agree but there is so much information being found. It is not the platforms fault (imho) that there is too much to absorb and follow. Many people love the shitposts. Many people love hearing what celebrities say about it. Me, I'm here for the hard facts.

I would join! I'd probably stay on voat too, but I'd give it a shot.

How do we know it's safe?