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standalone ago

At the very minimum, this creates another connection between Bill Clinton, Frank Giustra and David Flintstone, which is already worth the while. Goes to show that the relationship is deeper than just via the Clinton Foundation.

Now, something puzzles me: the registry mentions that this is a .. non-profit! Why on earth would anyone register a packing company as a non-profit as if packing was a philanthropic activity?


EDIT: It appears that the company record quoted by OP from Bizpedia is inconsistent with the official Arkansas business registry (see child comments). Unless it is proven that it's the Arkansas registry entry that is false (very doubtful), this pretty much invalidates the lead and the entire thesis in this thread.

cantsleepawink ago

WE'RE BEING PLAYED !!! *

Google 'Bizapedia and AgileCraft' to see what I mean. AgileCraft is a software company whose VP is LJ ALEFANTIS. I believe that they are planting false information. If we do not check our sources we will be discredited as well as waste lots of time. (Note the street address of this so called packing company.) AND ARCHIVE EVERYTHING

standalone ago

I'll be damned, you are right! This Bizapedia entry (archive) about the J & T Packing is inconsistent with the Arkansas registry. Here is the official record (archive):

Corporation Name J & T PACKING COMPANY, INC.

Fictitious Names

Filing # 100152178

Filing Type For Profit Corporation

Filed under Act Dom Bus Corp; 958 of 1987

Status Revoked

Principal Address

Reg. Agent DAVID F. BUTLER

Agent Address 135 SOUTH JACKSON MAGNOLIA, AR 71753

Date Filed 10/23/1997

Officers SEE FILE,

Incorporator/Organizer JAMES ALAN TERIWILLIGER, President

Foreign Name N/A

Foreign Address

State of Origin N/A

And look at that address of the agent in the fake entry: "610 President Clinton Avenue, Little Rock, AR 72201". This looks strange, a bit too much "in your face". Yet this is a real address! It it the address of the President Clinton Center, a controversial project started in Arkansas and funded in part by Marc Rich, a financier who was being prosecuted for fraud and tax evasion, and later received the presidential pardon from Clinton. Strange story... Unrelated to #pizzagate, but weird nonetheless. It's interesting who researching things around Clintons always leads to controversies, aborted investigations, bizarre legal setups, covered up affairs of corruption and pedophilia and accidental deaths...

Anyway, back to the point. You are right that we are being played. The Bizapedia entry is inconsistent with the Arkansas registry and links to another half a dozen equally bizarre Clinton owned entities that seem equally phony. Now the question is who is doing that and how? Could it be CTR trying to push us to make false claims, so that MSM can debunk our findings and discredit the entire effort? Could it be Trump side astroturfers who poisonned the well to make the Clintons look like they were hiding businesses? And how? Looking at Bizapedia, they claim to offer tools to perform due diligence and legal checks! With a fantasy database, really? Or is it Arkansas registry that is wrong?

We need to dig that shit. Clearly there is something spooky going on here.

UPDATE:

pizzagate wasn't the target of this manipulation it seems. According to Bizapedia (inasmuch as what they say can be trusted at all), the last time the record was modified was 9/6/2016 which was a good month before #pizzagate started. No record in archive.org. It seems that Bizapedia has a bad reputation and many people complain that the info is inaccurate, outdated, or even outright phony.

Going forward we should only accept as proof of a company's status and information official company registry entries.

@OP: this invalidates a lot of the research you have done. Please update your info using the official company registry, and see what still makes sense.

billcaseyABC ago

Check my posts elsewhere in this thread. You're right that the bizpedia entries don't sync with Arkansas SoS...but don't just jump to the conclusion that Bizpedia was hacked by CTR or something.

Consider that the State of Arkansas is packed with long-time Clinton loyalists...you really don't think they could get one of their shell company's filings modified on the official state database?

This is a spooky af, and we should pursue all the angles, but let's refrain from declaring "ITS A REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY PSYOP" until we find more evidence

standalone ago

you really don't think they could get one of their shell company's filings modified on the official state database

You are right that this can't be entirely excluded. Reworded "fake" into "inconsistent" for the sake of precision. That being said, many elements point to Bizpedia being the one that is fake. First Bizpedia has got very bad reputation: there are plenty of very negative customer reviews claiming that records are phony or outdated. Next, Chelsea Clinton is a registered shareholder which is strange because the company was incorporated in 1997, and back then she was only 17 and therefore not legally independent. Last but not least, the address of the incorporation agent on record didn't even exist in 1997: the "President Clinton Avenue" was named at the time the President Clinton Center was constructed in 2001. Beside all the other independent business registries all have the same address as the Arkansas registry.

Another thing to consider is that business registries are not the only record of business creations. New businesses creations are gazetted, so there must be a paper trail of the creation of this firm, and changing its status silently would conflict with the official paper trail and all the copies of the statuses that were created from the official registry. I'm not saying that this would be beyond what corrupt politicians can do: we have seen much more crazy stuff. But it would be unnecessarily risky to do that because should it be exposed, people would start doubting the reliability of business registries, and shareholder registries, and company ownership, and property ownership, and (why not?) birth registries as well, which means it would be possible to create electors out of thin air with a bit more trickery... Wait, didn't Trump claim that actually happened? Oh well...

Anyway, unlikely. My money on the hypothesis that Bizpedia is full of sh*t

let's refrain from declaring "ITS A REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY PSYOP" until we find more evidence

Well, you are stretching that farther than the ideas was toying with. Given the last update date on Bizpedia, I don't think this was modified to trick #pizzagate. This arrived 2 months before the election though, so it's likely to be election related. That being said, I looked for a related hoax, and couldn't find anything.

FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago

DUDE YOU'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT LISTINGS!! THEY AREN'T SUPPOSED TO MATCH UP. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.