They're trying to manipulate the comments in our threads by having their whole team infiltrate a certain thread, one of them makes an anti-pizzagate comment, and their whole team upvotes it.
Which is why I'm surprised anyone would do it that way. It's so obvious. The numbers of votes, both up and down, for that account are WAY off from what I've seen elsewhere in the sub.
They have bots that create accounts that only upvote the accounts they're programed to. They do this all day long on disqus too. It's easier to tell there because you can see who upvoted the comment and most never comment.
It doesn't stop them from voting and making new accounts. It also will cause the mods to lose their CCP to old goats downvoting the shit out of us for it.
From a policy perspective, it is confusing that a super PAC is allowed to make political communications to voters without the accompanying disclosure that the Federal Election Commission usually requires—that familiar “This communication has been paid for by Correct the Record” that you hear during campaign commercials. But several years ago, the FEC made a decision to regulate the internet differently than other forms of communication. At the time, the regulator was concerned that “individuals might simply cease their Internet activities rather than attempt to comply with regulations they found overly burdensome and costly,” and so it chose to err on the side of free speech.
According to Ann Ravel, an FEC commissioner as well as its former chairwoman, the commission has largely declined to update its pre-smartphone era rules to keep up with changing times, and this has allowed savvy political actors to exploit gaps in the regulations.
“The United States Supreme Court has clearly upheld disclosure and anti-coordination by these independent expenditure groups,” Ravel said. “So both of those two principles are clearly agreed to in the law, and it’s frustrating to me to see how we’re carving out a dual campaign-finance system that’s applicable to some but not others.”
Most likely option. When its a majority of them taking on a single thread, their strategy is much more effective. They can create an illusion (or try to) that the morale of the userbase in the thread is quite low. They enjoy demoralizing us by questioning the effectiveness of our strategies, the credibility of our findings, and the propagation of our evidence. The fact alone that this individual was talking about us posting "fake news" is all the evidence I need just based on the fact that we know the foundation of "Fake News" is bullshit and fake in and of itself. Nobody in their right minds, if read enough on the investigation and the context of it, would ever say anything is "fake news".
Their techniques are not new. If cognizant, you can sniff them out from a mile away. They are always quite far behind us in terms of dealing with them and moving forward. Their act is incredibly transparent and borderline pathetic.
Well said, you outlined perfectly how they operate. They definitely network and upvote each others posts against pizzagate to make it look like tons of people aren't buying it, even though theres clearly way more people in support of the investigation and against it.
I also agree with the sentiment that they really don't have much of an effect on theclimate of the forum, we all just ignore them or shut them up. The key is to not engage, make them look bad if you do engage, and downvote them heavily. Short responses or no responses at all,.
Also, ask yourself this. This is a forum about a legitimate pedophile conspiracy. The kind of people who would frequent a forum like that have probably delved in conspiracies before and are able to think critically and question the accepted mainstream truths. Then why are there so many people AGAINST this investigation on THIS forum for reason? And why are they not even educated as to the basc rudimentary elements of pizzagate? At least do your research before pushing us away immediately. That makes it much more obvious that this is not natural common and organic skepticism, this is artificial. These people are literally making accounts on here to shit on us.
So it's obvious to me that they're not doing this to change the minds of people who believe in pizzagate. Rather, they want to make it so that anyone new to pizzagate and come here for the first time will have their mind changed because of all the upvoats. So then the question becomes what do we do about it?
Educate people about their techniques and have a SHITLIST thing on the sidebar. There already is something but it needs to be a lot more visible. Maybe a graphic, or at the very least large text (like you see when you go to FPH)
I believe the best course of action would be to lend minimum or zero time to shill replies and shill threads if they really reek of the shit. Be weary of them splitting us into different groups based on major findings - I.E perhaps going down the MK Ultra connection route, or staying with the evidence we're working with so far. Upvote and reply to those who seem to be genuine in their intent while downvoting any obvious shill attempts. We may even have to keep an eye out for threads that won't even MAKE IT to the top just based on the potential of them effectively suppressing new evidence before it has a chance to be looked into.
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anon123 ago
They're trying to manipulate the comments in our threads by having their whole team infiltrate a certain thread, one of them makes an anti-pizzagate comment, and their whole team upvotes it.
AlbertonFreedman ago
It's not just anti-pizzagate, they are also responsible for all the BLAME THE JEWS bullshit the mods have been fighting.
PizzaAccount ago
Which is why I'm surprised anyone would do it that way. It's so obvious. The numbers of votes, both up and down, for that account are WAY off from what I've seen elsewhere in the sub.
ThePuppetShow ago
They have bots that create accounts that only upvote the accounts they're programed to. They do this all day long on disqus too. It's easier to tell there because you can see who upvoted the comment and most never comment.
DooDooDoodle ago
Why don't mods ban the shills?
ThePuppetShow ago
Freedom of speech. If we start regulating what people can say instead of beating them at their own game, we lose.
Crensch ago
It doesn't stop them from voting and making new accounts. It also will cause the mods to lose their CCP to old goats downvoting the shit out of us for it.
DooDooDoodle ago
That's why we need to start pressuring the FEC to force them to disclose paid political speech and coordinated political speech online.
http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/complain.shtml
From a policy perspective, it is confusing that a super PAC is allowed to make political communications to voters without the accompanying disclosure that the Federal Election Commission usually requires—that familiar “This communication has been paid for by Correct the Record” that you hear during campaign commercials. But several years ago, the FEC made a decision to regulate the internet differently than other forms of communication. At the time, the regulator was concerned that “individuals might simply cease their Internet activities rather than attempt to comply with regulations they found overly burdensome and costly,” and so it chose to err on the side of free speech.
According to Ann Ravel, an FEC commissioner as well as its former chairwoman, the commission has largely declined to update its pre-smartphone era rules to keep up with changing times, and this has allowed savvy political actors to exploit gaps in the regulations.
“The United States Supreme Court has clearly upheld disclosure and anti-coordination by these independent expenditure groups,” Ravel said. “So both of those two principles are clearly agreed to in the law, and it’s frustrating to me to see how we’re carving out a dual campaign-finance system that’s applicable to some but not others.”
http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/complain.shtml
SluggishJ ago
Most likely option. When its a majority of them taking on a single thread, their strategy is much more effective. They can create an illusion (or try to) that the morale of the userbase in the thread is quite low. They enjoy demoralizing us by questioning the effectiveness of our strategies, the credibility of our findings, and the propagation of our evidence. The fact alone that this individual was talking about us posting "fake news" is all the evidence I need just based on the fact that we know the foundation of "Fake News" is bullshit and fake in and of itself. Nobody in their right minds, if read enough on the investigation and the context of it, would ever say anything is "fake news".
Their techniques are not new. If cognizant, you can sniff them out from a mile away. They are always quite far behind us in terms of dealing with them and moving forward. Their act is incredibly transparent and borderline pathetic.
voatcaesarpizza ago
HIGH ENERGY
djklbd ago
Well said, you outlined perfectly how they operate. They definitely network and upvote each others posts against pizzagate to make it look like tons of people aren't buying it, even though theres clearly way more people in support of the investigation and against it.
I also agree with the sentiment that they really don't have much of an effect on theclimate of the forum, we all just ignore them or shut them up. The key is to not engage, make them look bad if you do engage, and downvote them heavily. Short responses or no responses at all,.
Also, ask yourself this. This is a forum about a legitimate pedophile conspiracy. The kind of people who would frequent a forum like that have probably delved in conspiracies before and are able to think critically and question the accepted mainstream truths. Then why are there so many people AGAINST this investigation on THIS forum for reason? And why are they not even educated as to the basc rudimentary elements of pizzagate? At least do your research before pushing us away immediately. That makes it much more obvious that this is not natural common and organic skepticism, this is artificial. These people are literally making accounts on here to shit on us.
Philhelm ago
Right. Nobody here would use "fake news," unless sarcastically (or if mentioning CNN, MSNBC, etc.).
thezodiac ago
Yeah that's the ultimate shill detector, lol. Fake News is just the new buzzword they invented to discredit and bury the investigation.
anon123 ago
So it's obvious to me that they're not doing this to change the minds of people who believe in pizzagate. Rather, they want to make it so that anyone new to pizzagate and come here for the first time will have their mind changed because of all the upvoats. So then the question becomes what do we do about it?
ababcb ago
We aggressively call them out for being paid shills.
l23r ago
Educate people about their techniques and have a SHITLIST thing on the sidebar. There already is something but it needs to be a lot more visible. Maybe a graphic, or at the very least large text (like you see when you go to FPH)
Wage_Slave217 ago
/reportctr is a good place to start.
SluggishJ ago
I believe the best course of action would be to lend minimum or zero time to shill replies and shill threads if they really reek of the shit. Be weary of them splitting us into different groups based on major findings - I.E perhaps going down the MK Ultra connection route, or staying with the evidence we're working with so far. Upvote and reply to those who seem to be genuine in their intent while downvoting any obvious shill attempts. We may even have to keep an eye out for threads that won't even MAKE IT to the top just based on the potential of them effectively suppressing new evidence before it has a chance to be looked into.
Wage_Slave217 ago
/reportctr is a great place
fvckh1m_up ago
then they go home and sleep not to have to think about the failure they are that they organize this.