COMMUNITY DISCUSSION - on shills, and setting subverse specific CCP requirements (link to previous background sticky inside) (pizzagate)

submitted ago by kingkongwaswrong

FOR BACKGROUND AND THE STICKY, SEE HERE https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1434672

On Shills and the past couple of days

Shills are real. For anyone who doesn't know what a shill is, they are someone paid to disrupt or influence online discourse. For examples of shills admitting their operations see here - http://archive.is/6JSUX

Here are some of the tactics shills use - https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

We've had a lot of these thrown at us in the past few days and we've managed to weather it in an ok fashion. I'm really proud of you guys as you're starting to be able to distinguish the shillery and downvote the shit-tier posts.

The correct response to shills is to ignore and downvote.

Also, this is a call to arms for everyone here. Please use your voats to help keep this place healthy. The less moderation has to be done, the better it is for all of us.

Need your input - should we set a minimum subverse CCP?

In the subverse settings, we can set a minimum CCP that people have to get in our sub before they can downvote in our sub.

This means that both new accounts and existing voaters have to contribute and get upvotes in /v/pizzagate before they can start downvoting our submissions.

The only downside is that this will remove us from the front page of voat.

Initially I didnt think this was a good idea as we were such a new community, but I think we have our footing now and this could help us with 'paid downvotes' and bots as well as shills cycling through new accounts or buying existing voat accounts.

Let me know your thoughts below.

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SaneGoatiSwear ago

any sub with a subverse ccp minimum is a sub not bothering going to.

TLDR: fuck that shit. stay open and public.

RainingPiss ago

This^^^^

kingkongwaswrong ago

how does a ccp min mean its not open and public

SaneGoatiSwear ago

what would be more in the moment would be to create

a clintongate

so both efforts could focus on their respective tasks.

i mean yes, they're linked

but in terms of prosecution i think likely successful jail terms will come from separate lines of inquiry, thus investigations should be focused properly. a team for each, as it were. even just getting clinton on RICO would be fucking fantastic at this point. the pizza ring.. you have to understand, touches all corners of the globe, from the trillionaires down to the sex slaves and destitute... this is like... taking down the clintons is taking an apple off the tree....taking down the elite pedo ring is like taking down a nation of apple orchards...

i don't say this because of an issue... i don't see clintongate messing up pizzagate nor vice versa... i DO see a LACK of a clintongate! and there are so many new fucking people here i think there's plenty of elbow grease to go around....

thoughts on a clintongate?

RainingPiss ago

I love it. They definitely tie together

KnowThyself ago

I'm not against the idea, and I think having sub verses with specific focuses that bring their fully formulated ideas here is a good idea. While getting Clinto arrested would be awesome, so would getting any of these fucks arrested. Plus with how interconnected this web is, it can be hard to focus on just one person.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

THAT''S NICE BUT I WAS ASKING KONGWRONGDONGLONGTONGFONGWONG.

KnowThyself ago

Actually you just asked for "thoughts on clintongate" which I gave. BTW I support the idea.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

I KNOW BUT NOW I'VE GONE TOO FAR AND I HAVE TO KEEP YELLING AT YOU SUPER SERIOUSLY :)

SaneGoatiSwear ago

it still tells you doesn't it?

that ccp minimum removes the sub from v/all....

pizzagate need be in peoples' faces.

one of the weapons used against the population to keep the blackmail child rape system in place (as a system for sociopaths to trust each other and subjugate the weak)

is that it's so horrendous that we won't talk about it.

it needs to be front and center, and if not on voat then where??

pizzagate up front and public,

let all the shilling be downvoated but all the speech remain for all to see.

kingkongwaswrong ago

our user base is so new they dont have downvotes yet =/

SaneGoatiSwear ago

yeah, i'm very much against the voat-for-the-right sjw takeover currently happening on voat.

the amount of voting and behavioral restrictions on this site makes me laugh every time someone says free speech here. and make me cry every time i have to say this is the last basion of free speech on the net, because it's already halfway down the slippery slope with no replacement in sight...

if you would care to read, instead of reposting the comment here: https://voat.co/v/AskVoat/1440939/6955830 speech is not free on voat.

kingkongwaswrong ago

true but if you think about the very real threat of shill tactics, wheres the balance between absolute free for all and locked down speech?

SaneGoatiSwear ago

let all speech be free. let voats deal with how it's all ordered.

to me voat's no free for all. u.s. law breaking content is a no-no, jailbait was banned, the user agreement gives the admins right to censor you at will, the sjw cabal is given permission to have free reign not only over the community but over voat's code itself...

there already isn't a free for all....

so keep whatever free speech you can

if anything,

on a larger scale

the shills here have shilled for silence

long before you ever showed up.

notice the front page of any given v/all posts page is filled 75% with posts with less than 10 comments. why? because we've all been given a dose of panopticonic effect! and that's just one tidbit of what's being done to the dissidents/political activists here... (there used to be a whole hell of a lot more discussion here)

TLDR: let it ride, free for all as you say!