Just do what Discord does in regards to permission granularity.

This person still disagree with me? I know, call him this other guy that nobody likes!

Omg! For reals???? Did it get downvoated or.... no, you know what it doesn't matter. If spam was ever visible to anyone anywhere then it is absolutely unacceptable and all principles must be abandoned to ensure that it never happens again!

This is so great I'm gonna going to be sick!

NICE! Thank you...

it's all good alduin, crisis averted. voat is well handled and on the up and up :)

Are there any measures for users to be able to to de-janitor users in case of abuse?

Glad you care. Keep up the good work

Not long ago you promised users would have some input into who would be modding system subs.

https://voat.co/v/announcements/729257 The second top comment here shows that any level 2 can just request one of their buddies to mod and build up a little power base that is almost impossible to remove because you admins are reluctant to remove abusive mods.

Now we have janitors who can just put their hand up behind the scenes, without the userbase having any knowledge and sometime later they are modding subs and deleting comments at their discretion.

Edit: Fixed a link

We have received 0 NS/FISA requests.

When you get one you won't be able to say this. You need a proper warrant canary.

Other users have offered to help purge the spam but we have turned them down mostly because we have seen what malicious mods can do to subs when they “flip”

People have been offering to help you since the day I joined Voat and you and Atko ignored every request. Is it any wonder some mods, me included, gave up giving a shit about this place?

Technically, your own profile says that you submitted there 4 times, but I see your point.

I'm just saying that you're not seeing the full picture of the constant attempts to discredit PV if you just look at /hot, and that we are not anywhere near as bad as SRS. We help regular users resolve issues with moderators (just from helping with the discussion, we've gotten bans removed, rules cleared up, and users happily submitting posts and comments again), we call out bad users who are trying to start baseless witch hunts against good moderators (both of my v/news submissions are reposts from people who didn't follow the rules, got angry enough about it to rant about "I've been censored!" on PV or whatever, and then got called out for not even glancing at the subverse's sidebar or the moderator tag and comments on the post), and we always give even the worst moderators a chance to explain themselves (the open discussion post to she during the AskVoat controversy, the 3 repeated posts that increasingly called on eggnogg to explain why he was deleting something that didn't break the subverse rules, the discussion post that asked alllie to explain their censoring actions, etc.).

You want to know how trustworthy a moderator is or a community is, look at the logs for their subverses. The only thing that ever gets deleted on PV is spammed shitposts, and even then only if it's a duplicate.

We have tried to answer the questions brought up by everyone who posts a question on PV. Some are willing to listen to our response, some say nothing after their initial post, some try to guide the responses in the same direction that the question was originally biased, and some get angry enough to start spamming when we don't agree with their views (notably Amalek and his belief that he, to paraphrase some of his rants, "is never ever ever guilty of ever spamming anywhere, ever", and thus should be bathed in upvotes everywhere he goes on Voat {rather than banned for spamming} because he thinks he is smarter than everyone else on Voat).

Throw in all the alt accounts used by the powermods and trolls (both on Reddit, and on Voat with Techius, MH101, and Amalek), and we might suffer from a bit of confirmation bias if we think that you're just another troll account, but we do still mean well.

i am not a troll.

personal attack

associating me with statement i never made

emotionalizing, antagonizing, and goading opponent

associating opponent with negative concepts

this comment was not 100% disinfo. it was 95% disinfo. wow, slipping!

Suggest a better solution to deal with hordes of spam.

the mods that have contacted me have been incredibly offensive. I do not know from what criteria you work, but these guys have no business having that much power when they only abuse it.

The problem is understandable, but the mods that have contacted me, and been SO OFFENSIVE, should never have been mods in the first place

(and my biggest offense has been not agreeing with their opinion).

edit: Just saw this on your profile: if you feel you've been downvoted by one particular user just PM me so I can see how prevalent this issue really is. While that is an intelligent approach, this goes on in spades. And I know you know this. Mods have been no help, and many are the problem. They even use the info to argue their positions - that is abuse of confidential information. (not specifying you, though)

Are.. are we all going to die?

THIS USER, @ADHDFERRET HAS POSTED DOZENS OF COMMENTS AND SPENT OVER 10 HOURS WRITING THEM IN THE PAST WEEK THAT ARE ENTIRELY FILLED WITH DISINFORMATION TACTICS AND FALLACIES.

HE HAS DONE NOTHING BUT ATTEMPT TO ATTACK MY CHARACTER AND ASSOCIATE ME WITH NEGATIVE CONCEPTS, WITH A NUMBER OF INSULTS THROWN IN.

HE DOES NOT PARTICIPATE IN MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION, HE IS AT BEST A TROLL AT WORST A SHILL,

WHILE HE HAS THE FREEDOM TO SPEAK,

LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THIS USER DOESN'T SPEAK ENGLISH, HE SPEAKS DISINFORMATION.

SOURCE: ALL OF YOUR COMMENT HISTORY TO ME IN THE PAST WEEK.

assuming my intent is to create sedition

the greatest proof you'll ever get of a gag is SPECIFIC avoidance of the subject.

all we can do is infer

do you not understand this?

lol i've posted a few mega posts that went front page about it, FILLED TO THE BRIM WITH SOURCES

this lil nigger asks for sources as if i haven't provided any

fucking shill tactics from a v/niggers mod.

ftw.

Not really throwing a tantrum, pointing out the truth. I don't care about my score/karma/whatever but this problem of downvoating without saying anything is all over the site. That lack of engagement is an issue, it just leads to restricted accounts and less discussion. I dont need people to upvoat me, I dont care if they downvoat me, but that many fucking downvoats on a factual statement is just ridiculous. Refute it!

I see that you have posted on v/soapdoxbanhammer, the same place that regularly floods /new of v/protectvoat with shitposts (attacks against the users, "questions" that the OP already has an answer they are trying to "guide" the "discussion" towards, pages upon pages of low-quality "memes", literally posting images of shit and claiming that it's PV users, etc.) and tries to defend moderators guilty of abusing their powers to censor users (she, eggnogg, alllie, HenryCorp, etc.).

If you don't want the regulars at v/protectvoat to assume that you're just there to insult, derail, and attack, then it would probably be a good idea to stop having all the SDBH regulars from proving that stereotype every single time they post on PV.

unsubstantiated personal attacks said as fact

more unsubstantiated personal attacks said as fact

try harder, this comment is 100% disinformation tactics.

you know i'm literally taking all this flak to get to the bottom of what happened to voat, to make sure it's a place that still fully supports free speech, so subs like v/niggers - which you mod - can stay solid online, and have a home.

where there is hate, there is freedom

and yet you have spent hour upon hour writing nothing but disinformation tactics and fallacies at me.

why ferret?

i thought you of all people (a mod of v/niggers!) would be FOR free speech, and FOR asking questions to the admins about curious ongoings... to make sure voat stays a platform where we can ALL "have our say."

i guess i was wrong about you.

now go get your badge from puttitout for shittalking me.

Decided it was easier lubing up and spreading your cheeks for them to fuck you in the ass more so than defending yourself and your freedom?

He also said he didn't reply because he didn't have an answer.... SO DISCUSS THIS SHIT WITH YOUR FELLOW GOATS!! His reply (or lack thereof) should strike a chord with a lot of users.

Voat is definitely compromised dude. Their code isn't even open source anymore and now Puttitout has just empowered the mod and brigade cabal. They've also been acting out of character and are refusing to answer questions and our canary is a joke.

Maybe something transparent since all this shit is see through.

They owe all their users answers.

Fuck off. /ProtectVoat does exactly that. It looks out for Voat, not Voat's users. You guys justify censorship. You are the brigaders and mod cabal. Fuck off.

Why aren't the regular Mods taking care of this problem in their verses and simply recruiting other Mods to help them if they need it.

A notification that there has been a post in a verse you are modding would help.

Except it isn't off topic. People are still donating to keep the site active. Yet there is a possibility that Putt and Atko are not even in control of their own accounts. The Putt and Atko from a year ago would never have allowed something like Cynabun to happen. much less with their blessing.

I didn't know about the warrant canary issue, but it appears to be just one more piece of evidence that Putt and Atko were compromised.

Ah yes. Buns. And when inevitably she does cross a line, we can expect something to be done about it months later. I wouldn't have thought that this time last year. But a pattern of complaints has been emerging recently. If it takes months for admin to correct actual problems with the site, then it will likely take longer to remove a rogue mod they personally put in place.

Why? Because they would have to admit they were wrong. It's human nature.

In other words, I am not supportive of the decision at all. Except for people who are chummy with this person, not many people here are likely to be comfortable with someone who constantly seeks out power.

I'd like to be a janitor. Very anti-censorship, very anti-spam. And I know some great places to find quality escorts in Punjab! No CC required!

just a lil ALOT :)

Hows it off topic? If Voat is compromised, that's relevant to literally every discussion we have here. And this is an official announcement, the place where an updated canary should be...

Id say its pretty fucking on topic.

actually, the site "runs on donations"

homersimpson made a well put argument against your point a few days ago

that in all reality, without users and user support (financially, spam janitoring, modding, posting content, commenting and having meaningful discussion, etc)

THERE WOULD BE NO VOAT.

you fucking

simpleton.

Only if it reads "Sanitation Overlord" lol

Shut the fuck up. You guys organize brigades.

" We are going to implement a “Janitor” mod level. This Janitor level will have restricted permissions. This will allow System subs to take on more Janitors to help purge and discourage SPAM while not being able to perform any other malicious actions that we have been fearful of. I’ve already started working on this and @Cynabuns is going to help us test it. "

Also

" This will allow System subs to take on more Janitors... "

So powermods will be able to recruit their friends (or alts) to be powermods too?

Sounds like this creates a possibility for even more mod abuse.

welp with that attitude anyone wishing to expose secrets of a large organization just better go home, eh?

who pays the bills? USERS. who gives the time and effort on the code? ADMINS

whose site is it? ALL OF OURS, as "partners" lol olololol.

or have you forgotten what a community is, kev?

because if i remember correctly, a community that cares is a community.

do you not care that voat may be compromised?

jesus, dvd faster than i could get to the message and read it!

so....

whose site? because atko and puttitout spent years being nothing but nice to users. to disappear and come back and be so meanspirited to users asking legit questions... then badging a user for shittalking another user....

whose site is it, kev?

because atko and puttitout sure seem to be going through some serious PTSD if they haven't been replaced.

edit:Names whoops i forget, these admins aren't those people anymore, afaik.

kevdude, what are your thoughts about voat being compromised? surely you've seen the evidence that

the admins disappeared at the same time, for a whole month

when they came back, they acted like completely different people, being mean to users for the first time in the history of voat (me, homersimpson, ramblinrambo), they badged a user for shittalking another user, they won't answer simple questions about the integrity of voat regarding injunctions, gags, corporate takeovers, shitty canary, etc. in public, but they'll talk to me in private but always avoid the questions... but won't talk in public at all to me if i bring any of this up... and more...

you are a voice of reason on voat.

what say you, publicly?

Master of Custodial Sciences! or Dr. Jan Itor!

Thank you for taking the time to check me out, happy to answer any questions too

right? kev, you give me hope i'm not alone in believing that it's normal to have open discussions about possible issues with the platform we use to discuss...

@she, @exisredditus, many others

I did not fight tooth and nail over eggnog at all, I had nothing to do with any of that. I did not even know who mathgrunt was until you started to accuse me of "supporting cancer mods". If I don't say something about a mod, I am supporting cancer mods, according to you.

If I comment on an announcement about mods then my opinion is not valid because I'm pretending to be a crusader against mod abuse.

What the fuck do you want from me? What do I need to do to stop your dick from getting hard every time you see me make a comment about mods?

micdrop

lol purge.

no this fucking site is compromised. that's the last thing i ever wanted to say. i love voat. it's home.

but they fucking killed our home

and now any attempts to talk to the admins about 1. finances, 2. the canary missing 6 types of gags in the statement and lacking trap statement, and 3. what happened why they disappeared the same time and why they came back acting like different people and now 4. why the fuck won't they answer any of this directly. the admins both talk to me in private, but now ignore me in public. they won't answer these questions in either setting.

TLDR: what the current canary is: a fucking joke. there could be an injunction, super-injunction, publication ban (and other than some skype message to another person from supposedly--putt "no gags" there still may be gags in general (gov't, corporate, ongoing investigation, we don't know!) and they won't answer.

they just keep saying

SOON^TM

I didn't know the answer to this so didn't reply, but my thinking is in system subs all "mods" should be at a janitor level but then again we've had some really good Level 2 mods in system subs.

I don't really have much to say other than really appreciating the transparency.

I frequent /new, the spam's not that bad. Janitorial spam removal can be misused as well. Be careful.

I agree that stripping the OP from user-deleted posts|comments should stay.

Leaving-in the OP when a mod deletes a post will allow for the monitoring of spammers, and even abusive users. It would be nice to have that history to show all the post removals for a particular user; it will come in super handy too for tracking which spam accounts are doing the most damage and are worthy for an Admin ban (I will not have this ability as a Spam Janitor, but I have already submitted a few posts to v/ReportSpammers)

to be entirely fair, you stopped. i stopped. we cease-fired.

i however will not be silent with your behavior.

you can "claim" all you want, but the fact remains,

after i was laughing and moving on from all this,

you woke up every day and downvoated me for a month straight.

don't worry

once i made the choice to ask questions of voat (when the admins disappeared the same time for a month and came back different people),

i've had a steady stream of shills and downvoaters on me for it, because clearly voat is compromised and a team of people are tasked with silencing any dissent on it.

Since it was a special case I didn’t even check other than to ensure this user wasn’t over the 10 subs.

Easy to get around so why bother? https://voat.co/user/Cynabuns_bot

In code I'm calling it "Content Mass Murderer"

Ok, I'm done, I just wanted to voice my concerns about this feature and I can not be bothered to deal with you.

The issue is not exclusive to cynabuns, other users will be able to mod an infinite amount of subs and delete anything they like. This is not a "me vs you" debate, I'm trying to shed light on how bad this could get, if you don't want to talk about that, then that's fine.

>conveniently forgets my criticism of mods on multiple system subs because it doesn't fit the agenda

@puttitout, there may be a solution that can please everyone. But I'm sure it has its own flaws. If you insist on janitors, and you are super busy, you should try something ALONG THE LINES of a checks and balances. If someone wants to delete a ton of user s or goes on a delete spree, there should be another level of mods that monitor that, and they can be messaged by users concerned about censorship. Those mods would relay to you any issues that need to be addressed by the site owners. They don't have the power to ban mods, it's just a community over watch, that when they message you, you know it's serious. Here's how you keep that in check, those users must have X amount of time on the site, X amount of comments and/or submissions and X amount of upvotes. Here's the kicker, to prevent abuse, those are limited time permissions. 6 months, year, whatever. Think of it like your state Rep. Except they can't be voted back in. On the main page could be the user names of the current overwatch team and mod team. You would only need a few people each time. One term. Just a thought.

Mods can be contained to 10 subs. These new mods can't be contained to 10 subs, they can mod any number of subs. Which is why this is a terrible idea, and would be seen in a different light if the moderator in question was a different user.

Can we have another t shirt run? Also can we have posts that haven't been voated on show up on frontpage feed?

If you would have a problem with it being me in the same position, then don't support the position in the first place. If you think anyone can abuse it, why would you think it is a good idea?

I'm not even getting into the pepe stuff, I have said countless times that I posted 1 picture of a pepe to your sub, let's not get personal.

Perhaps @Cynabuns could make an introduction to detail who they are and what their competencies are, as well as their vision for Voat.

Yes there is a janitor mod there now. They are deleting spam at the moment, but I'm not talking about what they've done in the past couple of days, I'm talking about what's going to happen in the future if this becomes a common feature on the site.

It is strange to see you defending something that could breed the kind of problems you talk about potentially happening on Voat. I wonder if you would be doing the same if it was myself in control of 5 system subs.

You're alive!

Nowhere does it say that existing 2nd level mods will be restricted from recruiting other lvl2 mods with full power. Currently they can do that.

People shouldn't worry about such things. Spam is a big problem in system subs and if the mod situation doesn't work, it can be undone

But I can see where the concerns come from considering the cluster fuck that happened over on reddit. Just remember, the big problem with reddit was corrupt admins. So far, this hasn't been an issue with voat

Yep. /v/Whatever.

Unfortunately it will be modded by janitor mods now.

If you look at the overview page for @Cynabuns it is obvious that this user has consistently been trying to help voat grow and improve this community for everyone. Thanks.

@HenryCorp

Yes, I will check it out today. Need to do transfers first and read all the hate mail. ;)

Are you still planning on updating the user agreement? It's important to know what privileges mod-users have in their own subs when it comes to curating content and what rights users have in specific subs.

Where?

I'd still like confirmation because it sounds pretty sketchy imo

the warrant canary needs to be updated putt

THE ONLY REASON YOU'RE NOT UPDATING THIS IS BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING IN IT THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY

you talk about

not letting Voat, Inc. go down the rabbit hole

yet

you won't even update the canary.

here, let me show you what it is supposed to look like:

"we have had 0 (zero) gag orders, National Security Requests, FISA orders, injunctions, super-injunctions, publication bans, nor any other free-speech prohibiting action against us nor against voat nor against any signed-in user of voat nor against any guest user nor against any groups of any type of users to the date of the last posting of this notification - - as well, up to that point, voat has been neither a trap of any kind nor has it up to that point been a honeypot. if this notification is not posted or no announcements are made (one) month to the second after the previous announcement, consider voat compromised and act accordingly."

anyone downvoating is for a compromised voat. it's a downvoat brigade look at that

they're scared you'll find out the truth about voat being fucked.

we have turned them down mostly because we have seen what malicious mods can do to subs when they “flip” (anon the sub, post malicious CSS, go on deletion purges, mod alts, etc.).

Why are level 2 mods on system subs still allowed to invite other level 2 mods then? Users are being added all the time to system subs with no vetting at all by admins.

No kidding. Power hungry fucks are the worst.

So the janitor mods will be able to mod any number of subverses?

Doesn't this mean that there is a huge potential for a powermod situation if people can mod unlimited subs and delete posts?

Edit: Quick guys, he's making valid points, better downvote him so nobody can see.