ch3f4554551n ago

Thanks for the fisa notice. NO NEW FEATURES! NO NEW FEATURES!

Donbuster ago

Financial situation: we're holding up. Thanks to your donations, Voat will not be going anywhere anytime soon :)

@atko @puttitout

I was wondering, since this site is nothing without the users that care about it, if we could hear in more depth what voat's financial state is. Do we already have enough money to pay for the next month of hosting? are we halfway there? do we have a 2 month reserve?

I would also like to hear about what portion of a day of server time voat currently generates in ads and donations per day. I ask because money is tight for me, and money right now for me would be very helpful, but not a critical thing, I was considering giving some money to the site if it needs it, and saving if it does not.

CrudOMatic ago

You could finally implement the follow user function...

ShowMeYourKitties ago

Nice bike, I've got the MT-09, or as it's called here: FZ-09.

Dysmerk ago

I noticed on the computer there is a link to visit random sub, I don't see this option in the app, can you add that?

BananaBoater ago

Good to hear keep it up. Enjoy the summer!

wuzizname ago

@atko @puttitout : Everyone thought you guys were dead... we pretend like we were worried but the truth is that we are very very needy and need your constant attention and positive re-enforcement and praise.

omegletrollz ago

Is there a feature you think Voat is missing?

  1. The "hot" sorting algorithm / stream will never show up a recent post (score of 1) unless someone sees it in /new and gives it a upvote. This is retarded and really hurts the website. Recent posts should appear directly on the /hot stream. This makes posting to smaller/niche subs (where there is only a small chance of someone browsing /new) a very frustrating experience with maybe 50% of no one ever seeing your post even if they're subscribed to the subverse - because if it never gets a vote while on /new it will never ever appear on /hot. When was the last time you saw a recent post with score of 1 in your front-page? Never, that's when. This really hurts smaller subs and depending people on /all/new to be upvoting recent posts from smaller subs or depending that your subscribers check /new even when it's not the default view is really dumb.

  2. When viewing my own submissions and comments I'd like to be able to sort it by top content (highest scores), even if it would only show a limited range, like last 30 days or last 100 submissions/comments.

omegletrollz ago

A per-user, per-post hide feature is probably going to hurt Voat's server load a lot - not only in storage but in processing time too since there will have to be filtering every time the front page is drawn and that is super difficult to cache.

I think an easier alternative (which doesn't require new database entities) would be to automatically hide posts you've voted on already. This could even be done client-side but obviously would be a bit weird (for example, your front-page could come entirely empty if you've voted on everything already).

It really is a much better experience that whenever you reload your front page it comes entirely comprised of unread posts, instead of what is much more likely today - entirely comprised of posts you've already seen.

ChillyHellion ago

Awesome news :) I appreciate the update and hope you enjoyed your holiday!

In terms of needed features, I've always been impressed by how much Voat has improved its feature set at the request of its users. If you have the extra time, could you take a look at a user block button to combat inbox spam?


This feature might work like this: if you're receiving inbox spam (someone pinging you repeatedly) you can block that user in your inbox. Their pings and replies wouldn't create the little red inbox notification, and their replies in your inbox would be collapsed by default.

This would serve two purposes: it would give users the tools to deal with inbox trolls themselves, in a way that doesn't affect anyone else. It would also remove the need for any subverse-level anti harassment rules since each user would be able to deal with harassment themselves in a way that doesn't affect anyone else or require subverse bans.

squiremarcus ago

Is there any way I could buy a tenth of a percent of cost? I really want to own a piece

Anchy ago

<3

Schlomo_Kikenburger ago

please close your website

Cynabuns ago

Nice of you to stop in on your vacay! Please tell Putt-Putt that he's missed as well.

Now, for your to-do list, if you please :)

  1. v/SubverseRequest
  2. v/VoatDev (and v/help and v/bugs)
  3. v/Reportspammers

Finally, there are already some amazing and highly voted concepts in v/IdeasForVoat - please pick three and get to crack-a-lackin'!

YodaDankfish ago

Please add hide child comment buttons? It makes navigating massive threads way easier.

ThatsSoJewish ago

So, how long have you been a shill? I only ask because I'm doing a study on faggots with loose mothers.

FireForEffect ago

Wow, who did you piss off to get stuck with that task?

datjedi ago

youre either late on reply or completely fucking stupid. which is it?

FireForEffect ago

Get fucked you little faggot ass cuck, wasn't even talking to you.

datjedi ago

lol. you mad bro?

FireForEffect ago

Shit, a little late on the comeback are we? Get fucked, I don't even know what you replied to.

profanion ago

Steady traffic is better than the one with sudden spikes or high periods.

Scine ago

Thanks for this! Always was curious about these things. I'm in IT, so I know how difficult it is to keep the systems running in the background. :)

ToFat2Fish ago

I would like to be able to add a message to share a link posts. Also Thanks for voat guys glad to hear were still going strong.

guinness2 ago

I second this because it would be nice to provide a message about the context of a YouTube video or provide links to more information. Adding a comment with this info isn't a great workaround because they get buried.

shmuklidooha ago

API and mod queues!

AmaleksHairyAss ago

800,000 unique visitors is nothing to sneeze at.

iusedtobeonreddit ago

this place is great but, Jesus, could ya'll quit with the trump/anti-Hillary shit. like the election is November 8. cant you all just vote and shut the hell up about it. sick of it

omegletrollz ago

It's all paid shills and they're unfortunately shaping the future of this website. We're pretty lucky they haven't fucked Voat entirely yet.

iusedtobeonreddit ago

thats what worry me, they havent fucked it up, YET. i have a feeling in a few months i probably wont be here

omegletrollz ago

Funny how I've got the exact opposite impression: I think if they haven't fucked up the site for good until now then they simply won't. It was a lot worse when I first joined Voat, their content was everywhere and there were less legitimate users to keep their posts in check with downvotes and such. Nowadays we have a large enough userbase to populate smaller subs and you can pretty much live free of shills on Voat if you're not subscribed to the default subs. I'm not saying the situation is very good or that shill posts/comments are a hard thing to find on Voat, but I think it was worse earlier on.

iusedtobeonreddit ago

no your probably right. if we can keep growing the userbase then they cant keep us all quite. but im worry cos if your a new user and you just get downvoted all the time and some raciest dickhead gets all the up votes, you'll just find somewhere else to go.

mirimar ago

We need a mechanism for rewarding a really good post, like that other web-site that gives 'gold' and benefits both the recipient and the site too.

facepaint ago

  • Ability to "hide" articles we have already read, so your view stays steady with fresh content. But "hiding" them should not make them unsearchable if we want to go back to them.

  • Profile option to automatically "hide" previous up or downvoated stories.

  • Voat needs a better algorithm to bring fresh stories to the top. Right now the only way to bring fresh stories to the top is to wait 24 hours.

eldsvard ago

We have received 0 NS/FISA requests.

So this will disappear when you get one?

tentonaraft ago

I want to be able to promote mods and leave subs I created.

vandilx ago

Thank you for Voat.

Considering the financial part: Is there something like Reddit Gold for Voat? Not necessarily for blocking ads, but how about a "Voat Gold" that just adds a Flair to show you donated and maybe adds more "my subverses" and such?

guinness2 ago

if there is one thing that you would like to see implemented on Voat, what would it be?

  • Allow users to see the activity on individual subs... because I mod /v/Ghosts and I'm always curious;

  • A feature that allows users to request mods to authorize link post URLs to be amended to allow broken links to be fixed (YouTube videos are often deleted and recreated);

  • Allow Link posts to have a description so we can provide context for a link post, such as why I think the link is awesome or more links where additional information can be found;

  • Allow mods to specify the default sort order for their subs because it makes sense to sort some subs by "new", such as subs that follow daily radio shows, ongoing TV shows and sports events.

Also, I loved the motorcycle photo... it's really nice and very interesting to get a glimpse into the life of Atko.

Also, also, thank you and so much for you and @Puttitout 's hard work in fighting for free speech and keeping this site running!

ScreaminMime ago

Take donations through PayPal!

6070279? ago

Paypal hates Voat and stole our money before. When I say "our money" I mean donation money to Voat.

revfelix ago

So I think, and I'm just spitballing here, but we should probably become best friends so that I can vacation in Switzerland.

pushthis ago

can voat be decentralized? this is something that shouldn't be sidetracked. not saying atko should give up his project but selling yourself out of a job is said to be wise.

currency exchange. put a cap on transaction amount via a function, like say for example, average high transaction amount of say 300$ can't be raised faster than x for period of time. And Also limit number of transactions via a transaction queue that users signup for yet their queue position is a function of reputation and fairness.

the real real beauty Ina system like this is people will be frugal and with frugality in a capitalist system people be all smart n shit and die I mean diy

e, sorry for poor social skills

CaesarAugustus ago

Was in Switzerland a few days ago. Beautiful country, based people, and a genuine appreciation for their own history and culture; they had the best kept historical centers I've ever seen.

You made a good choice.

721r ago

I miss reddit's "other discussions" tab, it's quite helpful for looking whether the same link is being discussed elsewhere.

Also you could do better than reddit and "normalize" links before seeking matches - I mean remove all parameters after ? for article-like links like nytimes.com and use image/video ID for youtube/imgur-like links.

HonestTrouth ago

That's where postcards are made isn't it?

Tommstein ago

Add the ability to filter out links by URL or keywords.

ThisIsMyRealName ago

There needs to be an easier way to delete entire subverses. I recently stumbled upon a post that explained the process, which worked for me, but it was in no way obvious or intuitive.

rhy ago

Is there a .onion mirror yet? That would be cool for goats living under repressive regimes like China or the US.

Thememeking ago

If I could make a request, the Voat Goat's head be replaced with the head of Hannibal Buress. Thanks.

sakuramboo ago

Ability to search subverses for specific users.

And the ability to search our own comments.

Both would be great additions.

Oh, and maybe a plugin to bitch slap the OP.

Super_Cooper ago

Fuck yeah motorcycles! I ride a Kawasaki ER-6n, nakeds FTW!

Traveler ago

Stop giving Reddit information.

SandorClegane ago

SATAN HAS BLESSED US ALL, PRAISE KEK

derram ago

Block user feature.

The userbase has decided mods shouldn't be allowed to stop a person from endlessly pestering another.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

yea and then you have a world of everyone in their own self-censorship bubble. right to walk away /= interupting the pathways of speech.

i akin block user feature as the ability to selectively put a big plastic box around another person, that only blocks what they say for you, and only you can remove it. i consider this INTERUPPTING THE PATHWAY OF FREE SPEECH. yes pesterers are annoying, but are also one beginning to the slippery slope. how do you define a pesterer? is subjective, no? is defined by wheter or not the person feels pestered? we'd need a community wide agreement on that, to be fair about it... but even then, it would still be a limit to otherwise in the united states, protected free speech in the constitution, in law, and held by precedence.

Lube-N-Blisters ago

And it's because of cool stuff like this that I use Voat as my mobile home page.

lakeyosemit ago

Any plans of getting rid of Cloudflare?

PsychoDesign ago

May I ask: What's wrong with Cloudflare?

BowtieDog ago

Fix the change password mechanism. I can only log in on 1 computer cause I can't reset it.

derram ago

Firefox/Pale Moon desktop have an option to show saved passwords in the settings menu under security. Not sure about other browsers.

8Hz_WAN_IP ago

Just a thought, I happily bought an ad just to display a joke back then it was $25 as a form of donation to voat, I like the idea that I get something out of it even if it is just a laugh but $55 is a bit steep for a joke. Consider a reduced rate for non-commercial advertisements to be displayed only when there is no commercial advertisement available.

6066450? ago

Nice hearing from you, Atko (most recent updates have been from the One True Putt; we've missed you), and glad you're enjoying your vacation.

There are other ideas floating around that I'm sure the userbase would be more interested in seeing sooner, but I'll just mention the Monthly Donation Progress Bar idea. I know it's not feasible until costs have settled to something more consistent, but it's something I'd love to see.

Keep on keepin' on.

Morbo ago

And here he is, despite me avoiding saying his name. Have an upvoat for being able to sniff out the butt stuff drowning in the sea of comments on an Atko post. You truly live up to your calling.

mqrmqr ago

Okay, I looked through your comment history, and the first thing I saw was the 19 day account age, and people calling you out for it, and a fair amount of douchebag comments, comparing PV to SRS. Judging by your comment history, imma going to say you are a infiltration / disruption shill. On behalf of the damage you've caused to vote, 0.03 USD has been deposited into your paypal account. Thank you for Correcting the Record®.

mqrmqr ago

@HenryCorp @HenryCorp @HenryCorp @HenryCorp @HenryCorp This should get your attention.

heygeorge ago

So... You're not Amalek or a shill... So you must be Amalek WHO ACTS LIKE A SHILL! DOWNVOATED, SHILL!

84626433832795028841 ago

An option for bigger arrows in mobile mode.

Redditsdead ago

Implement the Block User feature. I'm now just a lurker who downvoats. When that's put into use, I'll start contributing again. And no, I can't use the extension. I'm a mobile user.

ThisIsMyRealName ago

Install Firefox for mobile. Install Greasemonkey. Install the AVE script.

I don't know if that works, but in theory it should.

Redditsdead ago

Looks like it would work on android but doesn't on iOS. Thanks anyways.

Redditsdead ago

I'll give it a try. I've been using Brave and am very happy with it but if that works, I'll be back. Still don't want to mod anything anymore. I never censored shit but got accused regularly.

Dumb_Comment_Bot ago

I have never felt the need to block a user. Perhaps you need to be open to the opinions of others.

Redditsdead ago

You use voat how you like and I'll do the same. Don't worry about what I do and how I may curate my own experience. People have a right to say what they want but I don't have to listen to it. I'm not stopping others from listening, so what would be the problem?

Dumb_Comment_Bot ago

You are the one that assumed I was stepping on your toes. My advice wasn't malicious it was suggestion to chill out. What people say on the internet shouldn't bother you so much that you feel the need to block it out, that's unhealthy.

Redditsdead ago

That's your opinion. And you're welcome to have it. I've had a different experience.

Let's put it this way. In real life, if someone comes up to me and starts running their mouth about niggers because I they overheard me talking to my friend about a fried chicken place, I'd punch them out. They're not gonna continue yapping around me. The only equivalent to online assholes is to block them, in my opinion.

Are you harmed by the implementation of the block user feature? Probably not unless you're Amalek or his ilk and it feeds the mental illness. You do you man. I'll do me. Right now, doing me involves lurking and downvoating spam and assholes. If that's wrong, in your opinion, so be it.

mqrmqr ago

They aren't very regular, meaning that he would get away with not including one.

HomerSimpson ago

Misread. My mistake.

HomerSimpson ago

I am one of the oldest users here lol. Troll is obvious.

Roadchuster ago

I make a lot of long comments on this website and two or three times now I've lost about 30 minutes to an hours worth of writing. It is incredibly frustrating and provides a significant barrier to long, high quality comments and debate. I believe there are two solutions that would fix the problem:

  1. Have text next to the comment box asking the commentator to constantly copy and paste their long comment on a notepad or other program. This solution will help the problem but it is not the most effective answer, though it will likely take the least amount of development resources to implement.

  2. Automatically save drafted comments. This is probably the most effective solution but will take considerably development resources, which could be scarce.

Another problem is that when you get deep into internet debate, you're constantly putting in tons of effort researching and writing hour long posts. So what a lot of us do is we like to create copypastas for common rebuttals that we make. This saves us a lot of time. However, whenever I copy and paste something I get an error message that I believe says something like "please don't copy and paste often," and my comment doesn't seem to go through. My comments actually went through after a while, but this is really confusing. The first two times this happened to me I created another account to try to get around the error message and post the copypasta. Then what happens is the comment goes through but then first comment also goes through, meaning I accidentally post the same thing twice.

I'm not quite sure what's going on here, but I think just editing the error text to explain what's going on better would help a lot, or stop blocking copypastas in general would also help. However there may be a good reason copypastas are blocked so if there is keep blocking them.

Finally I made a post that got a lot of support on appealing to people of diverse political beliefs, and I also suggested a new system that would both improve front page quality and help users coexist with each other. Please check it out if you're not busy.

omegletrollz ago

This is probably the most effective solution but will take considerably development resources, which could be scarce.

Not at all. This is very simply done via client-side Javascript. It shouldn't take an hour to create a pretty complete user-script for this using localStorage. The only downside is that you'll only have access to your drafts in the computer you were writing on but I don't see how that can be too bad a limitation.

"please don't copy and paste often"

I've got this message too when moderating a couple of posts in a sub I'm mod in. This should probably be lifted if you're a mod on the sub you're commenting on.

Chiefpacman ago

Only thing I can think of is some sub transfer requests.

Probably already mentioned by a few people

AssuredlyAThrowAway ago

Thanks so much for everything Atko.

My only request for a feature would be a modmail system such that moderators have the ability reply to subverse specific concerns; even a simple system that allows mass messaging to all mods would be great. No threads replies or anything like that needed.

HomerSimpson ago

Weird considering that I don't support PV as a whole. But if you were here longer than 19 days you would likely know this.

HomerSimpson ago

Am I missing the joke here? @kevdude can you translate?

HomerSimpson ago

Too bad the anti-moderator circlejerk is strong on this site.

mamwad ago

Good to see all is well. I vote for a user block feature. It puts more power in the hands of the users and would act as one less excuse for overzealous moderation.

Dereliction ago

Awesome to see Voat doing well!

Features?

  • Let us buy ads with Bitcoin.
  • Let us edit which verses are listed in the top menu bar. (Rather than just by sub'd.)
  • Add a Disputed "tab" so we can see what's contentious in a verse (i.e., lots of up and down voats).
  • Let us tag users.

Anchy ago

You can tag users with @ followed by a nickname.

@Dereliction

go1dfish ago

I would like to be able to remove myself as mod from subverses I have created. Currently this doesn't seem possible.

ThisIsMyRealName ago

There is a way to remove your subverse entirely, but it's not obvious. There is also a way to transfer your sub's ownership to a dedicated abandonment account (I forget the account name and the method to do so).

HomerSimpson ago

Who cares? 99% of the user base here believes that the subs belong to the users and the mods should reflect the will of the users.

Because if a mod makes the sub and raises it up it belongs to them. Not the users.

The 1% who think the subs belong to the mods and the users are just guests...are the power hungry mods.

Just watch. The moment Voat decides to get rid of moderators is the day Voat will die. Moderators are what keeps sites alive.

@kevdude put this PV retard back in his cage please.

InnocentBystander ago

Because if a mod makes the sub and raises it up it belongs to them. Not the users.

Mods don't make the sub. Users do. You're nothing without them. The community brings the content and comments.
If the community builds something you don't like, you can make a new sub again and play by yourself with any rules you want.

You do not own the community, and the community does own the sub that they created.

But that's just my opinion.

JuiceTown ago

Bullshit. I created my sub from nothing. You can try to 'take it away' but you wouldn't know what to do with it if you had it. Talk about killing the goose that lays the eggs. If anyone 'owns' v/JuiceTown it's me.

Try and take it. I'll go somewhere else to post my content. All of you talking about taking someone else's creative work ought to be ashamed of yourselves. I will destroy it before letting you take it -- that goes for all of you.

InnocentBystander ago

I don't want to take it. You do a good job with it.
I think you may be misunderstanding what I'm saying.

I have nothing against subs like yours.
But stuff like "She" and Henrycorp I do.

And regardless of anything, I've made it clear from the first comment than I am just discussing an opinion. Nothing more.

JuiceTown ago

I think you may be misunderstanding what I'm saying.

I'm sure I am. I just got here, from being AFK all day, and I see stuff in my inbox where voaters are talking about taking people's subs?! And I'm like WTF?! North Korea?

That being said, I have no context for understanding what ya'll are talking about. I just see my sub being brought up in this discussion and feel a need to speak up. The only reason I post to voat is because it is a free speech platform where I won't be censored -- the only way to ensure i won't be censored is to moderate the sub i post to.

This discussion seems to include a lot of subs i don't know and don't participate in. I spend about 95% of my time here working on my own sub -- I have no idea what the greater voat community feels about these other subs or the issues they present. I'm totally out of the loop on all of that (and i'm fine with that). That being said, it is frightening to hear people here talking about 'taking' someone's sub. It is frightening to hear people say things like 'the sub belongs to the users, not the mod'

That scares the shit out of me. I don't know the context of these statements, but can't imagine a context in which i would ever support such ideas. my sub is my creative work. the moment some 'authority' - whether it be some admin, or some tyrannical majority - attempts to interfere with my autonomy as the moderator of v/JuiceTown, the juice flow will stop. And i will find somewhere else on the Internet to squeeze my juices. It happened with reddit, and it will happen here. Turn to the dark-side at your own peril.

--these statements are aimed at the greater voat community. i make this response to you, in the comment, because you have provided me a context in which to respond to these ideas. they are not aimed at you specifically.

SkillYourself ago

I'm sorry but fuck no. If /u/JuiceTown started posting shit to /v/JuiceTown that the community didn't like and they removed him, I'd side with /u/JuiceTown in reclaiming it. It's his sub, he made it. He posts most of the content. He can do what he likes with it. If the community doesn't like it then it's on them to move. We aren't talking about system level subs here. System subs are different.

InnocentBystander ago

That's a fair argument to be made for small to mid sized subs.
But I feel differently. A sub is made relevant by the community. If someone wants to have a micro-sub with unpopular rules, they are free to do that. But if it grows into a community of its own, then I feel the sub and community is more important than an individual mod.

I will admit that it is a subjective opinion, and your view is also valid. But that's the way I see it.

HomerSimpson ago

Mods don't make the sub. Users do. You're nothing without them.

Let me give you a scenario. I'm a writer. I make a subverse for what I write. I post my stories and only allow my own stories. After awhile I get an audience. At one point somebody uses a precedent set by an admin to get rid of a bad moderator to get rid of me and make themselves a mod. Who owns the sub. The users. Or me.

You do not own the community, and the community does own the sub that they created.

Sure. But the moderators are the people who curate the content and make it usuable. Let us take a look at a sub that has almost no moderator control /v/protectvoat. The sub's /new page is cluttered with trash. Unusable a majority of the time. Let us look at a sub with amazing moderation(bias yes) /v/fatpeoplehate. /new is usuable and the prefered area of viewing.

Also @kevdude notification since I brought up PV.

InnocentBystander ago

In your writer scenario:
If you lost the sub due to site-wide rules, then the rest is irrelevant. It's not your sub any more. If we assume you were somehow ousted in a shady way, I'd still side with the users. Clearly at some point the sub veered onto a path that had not been intended by the original creator. If there is a significant community that is behind that, then I would say it was them that made the sub what it is, and they should be free to take it anywhere they want, despite the mods wishes or plans.

In the FPH scenario.
You are a good janitor. But that does not give you ownership of the school. Your contributions should be appreciated. But you should understand that your efforts are very small compared to what the community brings.
Nobody visits FPH to see your mod skills in action. They come for the content and conversation. They community dwarfs anything you contribute in that area.
So if one day you decided to make some changes to the sub that the community did not like, and a choice had to be made between supporting them, or you, I'd support them.

HomerSimpson ago

If you lost the sub due to site-wide rules, then the rest is irrelevant. It's not your sub any more. If we assume you were somehow ousted in a shady way, I'd still side with the users. Clearly at some point the sub veered onto a path that had not been intended by the original creator. If there is a significant community that is behind that, then I would say it was them that made the sub what it is, and they should be free to take it anywhere they want, despite the mods wishes or plans.

Except with your examples it was the community who owns the content. I would be the one who owns the content if I was the only person posting. So no you are wrong based on your own definition in your last comment. You can't just side with the users when you change your definition.

You are a good janitor. But that does not give you ownership of the school. Your contributions should be appreciated. But you should understand that your efforts are very small compared to what the community brings.

Yes it does lol. Without the moderators the way we are FPH would have turned into /r/fatlogic or some other shitty variant a long long time ago. The community posts the content but the moderators choose what content is allowed.

Nobody visits FPH to see your mod skills in action.

Sure they do. No one on FPH wants fat people roaming around. Without those "mod skills" that is what would happen.

They come for the content and conversation. They community dwarfs anything you contribute in that area.

No it doesn't lol. Example. /r/fatlogic. Mods not giving a shit to curate their content. Turned into small fats hating on large fats. Not to mention that the moderators(or one moderator specifically) has saved the sub multiple times from deletion and being shut down in the reddit days. You can spin whatever you want. Doesn't make you right.

if one day you decided to make some changes to the sub that the community did not like, and a choice had to be made between supporting them, or you, I'd support them.

Well guess what. Has happened multiple times in the past and every time the moderators came on top.

InnocentBystander ago

Except with your examples it was the community who owns the content. I would be the one who owns the content if I was the only person posting. So no you are wrong based on your own definition in your last comment. You can't just side with the users when you change your definition.

I never said anything about content in this example. But, as I said already :

"If there is a significant community that is behind that, then I would say it was them that made the sub what it is, and they should be free to take it anywhere they want, despite the mods wishes or plans."

I get the point you are trying to make. If the mod owns all the content, then he must own the sub. But I do not agree with that assumption.
To me the sub is the community. So I will pretty much always side with them.

Yes it does lol. Without the moderators the way we are FPH would have turned into /r/fatlogic or some other shitty variant a long long time ago. The community posts the content but the moderators choose what content is allowed.

Nowhere did I say there shouldn't be mods. Strawman? I think mods are a great thing (biased opinion).
But they are nothing by themselves.

Sure they do. No one on FPH wants fat people roaming around. Without those "mod skills" that is what would happen.

More straw? Sure, they like the strict moderation used there.
But you're still nothing without them.

No it doesn't lol. Example. /r/fatlogic. Mods not giving a shit to curate their content. Turned into small fats hating on large fats. Not to mention that the moderators(or one moderator specifically) has saved the sub multiple times from deletion and being shut down in the reddit days. You can spin whatever you want. Doesn't make you right.

Again arguing in favour of mods. Where did I ever say there shouldn't be mods?

Well guess what. Has happened multiple times in the past and every time the moderators came on top.

Citation needed. I am pretty sure that there has never been a community revolt in FPH on Voat.

HomerSimpson ago

I never said anything about content in this example. But, as I said already :

Yes you did.

The community brings the content and comments.

I get the point you are trying to make. If the mod owns all the content, then he must own the sub. But I do not agree with that assumption.

If I not only created the sub and I create ALL the content. I own the sub. Simple fact. You said earlier if the community brings the content then they own the sub. Yet in my example they don't bring the content. The mod does.

To me the sub is the community. So I will pretty much always side with them.

You would still be wrong.

Nowhere did I say there shouldn't be mods. Strawman? I think mods are a great thing (biased opinion). But they are nothing by themselves.

I never claimed they were nothing by themselves. I said they own the sub if they create it.

More straw? Sure, they like the strict moderation used there.

Not straw man. I gave an example of the community coming for something a moderator does. You can't just claim straw man just because I refute your point.

But you're still nothing without them.

I have given multiple examples on how that is not the case and it is the direct opposite.

Again arguing in favour of mods. Where did I ever say there shouldn't be mods?

You said that the community dwarfs anything that the moderators contribute. Which is not the case.

Citation needed. I am pretty sure that there has never been a community revolt in FPH on Voat.

I never claimed that it only happened on Voat. FPH has been across 2 platforms.

Leelemon drama on reddit. /r/shitlordsociety was created. Died.

FPH moderators remove 18+ rule here on Voat. Nothing occurs but attacks on the rule.

InnocentBystander ago

Yes you did.

No, I didn't. "I never said anything about content in this example". I even quoted myself for you. Did you lose track of the thread. Reread the comments if you need to.

If I not only created the sub and I create ALL the content. I own the sub. Simple fact. You said earlier if the community brings the content then they own the sub. Yet in my example they don't bring the content. The mod does.

I said earlier when not talking about that example. Are you really unable to put together a rational response without misquoting and twisting meaning. I was looking forward to having a reasonable debate with you.

You would still be wrong.

You do know what the word "opinion" means right? Opinions are not wrong simply because you declare it.

I never claimed they were nothing by themselves. I said they own the sub if they create it.

I never claimed you did. More straw Homie? Are you a one-trick kind of guy? Mix it up a bit. Try a slippery-slope or something.

Not straw man. I gave an example of the community coming for something a moderator does. You can't just claim straw man just because I refute your point.

You did not refute any point I made. You were showing how subs need mods. Something I never disagreed with. That's called a strawman. I'll quote you again since you didn't read it last time it seems :

No one on FPH wants fat people roaming around. Without those "mod skills" that is what would happen.

That's not talking about anything I said, nor is it something I would disagree with.

I have given multiple examples on how that is not the case and it is the direct opposite.

Citation needed.

You said that the community dwarfs anything that the moderators contribute. Which is not the case.

Misquote/Strawman. I said the community dwarfs anything You have ever done. Which is the case.

I never claimed that it only happened on Voat.

What you said :

Well guess what. Has happened multiple times in the past and every time the moderators came on top.

That is a very misleading way to talk about something on Eddit, which has nothing to do with this conversation, while making it seem like you were saying something about Voat.
Fuck man. I know you're not a total idiot. I know you can put together an honest argument, so give it a try.
I'm not going to reply again if it is more of the same.

HomerSimpson ago

No, I didn't. "I never said anything about content in this example". I even quoted myself for you. Did you lose track of the thread. Reread the comments if you need to.

Just because you didn't use it fort that example you said it in the general context of moderators owning a sub. THEN you completely sidestepped what you originally said.

I said earlier when not talking about that example. Are you really unable to put together a rational response without misquoting and twisting meaning. I was looking forward to having a reasonable debate with you.

Can't just sidestep what you say. And I can't have a reasonable debate when you don't even go by your own comments.

You do know what the word "opinion" means right? Opinions are not wrong simply because you declare it.

Opinions can be wrong however.

I never claimed you did. More straw Homie? Are you a one-trick kind of guy? Mix it up a bit. Try a slippery-slope or something.

Claiming something and it being something are two different things.

You did not refute any point I made. You were showing how subs need mods. Something I never disagreed with. That's called a strawman. I'll quote you again since you didn't read it last time it seems :

My refute was using an example of how this statement by you is incorrect:

Nobody visits FPH to see your mod skills in action.

That's not talking about anything I said, nor is it something I would disagree with.

Read the last quoted line.

Misquote/Strawman. I said the community dwarfs anything You have ever done. Which is the case.

You are right. It is a misquote. Doesn't make it any less wrong.

That is a very misleading way to talk about something on Eddit, which has nothing to do with this conversation, while making it seem like you were saying something about Voat.

No it isn't. I was using FPH as an example. FPH has been on multiple platforms. If I was explicitly talking about FPH Voat I would have said so. When you talk about FPH you need to use both reddit and Voat's version.

I'm not going to reply again if it is more of the same.

That is fine. When you stop calling everything a strawman then we can actually talk.

weezkitty ago

Can you define exactly what a "bad browser" is?

Weebo ago

I really would like to opt into the algorithm that non users see when they land on voat.co I sometimes log out just to find new and interesting posts. Thanks!

Disappointed ago

The default button does that up the top left of the page, if you weren't aware.

mysubverses front all default random

Weebo ago

I do not have a "default" option. It just goes from front to all to random. However, I am on mobile right now. I will check on my laptop when I get home.

CommiePatrol ago

You rock!

HomerSimpson ago

Do Voat mods have the ability to move posts to another 'verse? (If they do they don't seem to be using it)

No we don't. And this has already been suggested and they were talking about implementing it.

wylan ago

I use boats for Voat and the buttons are visible on it. I have an Android phone.

TimberWolfAlpha ago

By the way, if there is one thing that you would like to see implemented on Voat, what would it be?

a ban for HenryCorp and anyone else that is a proven shill running subverses like a dictator.

HomerSimpson ago

By the way, if there is one thing that you would like to see implemented on Voat, what would it be? What could I or Puttitout do that would make your life easier? Does Voat need new features? Is there a feature you think Voat is missing?

Better mod support. I hate being scared of my inbox just because I am a moderator. I currently have over 100 "unread" messages where a majority of them are either mod mail or comment reports.

Also. Performance has dropped a lot since your server downgrade.

PM_ME_UR_NOODZ ago

Feature suggestion: Prioritize traffic when volume is heavy to give preference to active accounts. Every time reddit goes down so those faggots fly over here like a swarm of locusts descending onto pharaoh's grain fields, or moslem immigrants descending onto a crowd full of young european girls and cucked european men with fat wallets and no testicles

massiveprivilege ago

Requests: hide button. To hide links i dont want on my front page.

NeedleStack ago

Hi, great to hear from you.

Things to implement: Take care of the spammers reported in /v/ReportSpammers, transfer subs from /v/SubverseRequest, check out the bugs from /v/VoatDev, and then proceed onto /v/IdeasForVoat. :)

Hug.

pornhub_katie ago

do you ever post on /v/motorcycles or /v/CalamariRaceTeam?

i want to see the rest of your bke!

CRKT_M16Z ago

Beautiful scenery @Atko. I'm a little jealous. Also, thanks for keeping us up to date. In way, it's like really knowing that we are all a part of this fun ride.

novictim ago

Looks like a modest trend upward in new users? Could we create a collection hat for putting out an advertisement like at ArsTechnica or in the MSM? Bad idea?

InnocentBystander ago

Not necessarily a bad idea, but I think the community is a bit split on whether we want to grow any faster.
There are trade-offs that come with a larger population, and I like the 'small community' feel.

MirrorLight ago

Would like an official way for users to remove unwanted moderators from subs.

EndaPenny ago

Democracy will backfire just like it does irl. The good get voted out and the cancer takes over. Keep the current elite in power and all will be good.

derram ago

SRS could take over Voat in a fraction of the time it took for them to control reddit if this 'big fish eats little fish' rule is implemented.

I'd stick with the idea from @puttitout and add rules for moderator conduct to the tos.

A_Sensible_Gent ago

I think this should only be possible when the subverse is not the mod's own content.

So say, for instance, the mod of /v/Hearthstone goes batshit crazy and starts banning and censoring people, then the community votes to remove him and elect a new mod in his place. This is fine because he doesn't own Hearthstone, he just first started the sub for the Hearthstone community on this site.

But in the case of something like /v/juicetown, that sub is focused around what /u/juicetown wants, it's his to do with what he pleases, and if users aren't happy, they can leave.

Outset ago

Voat NEEDS this kind of regulation to avoid going the way of Reddit.

So say, for instance, the mod of /v/Hearthstone goes batshit crazy and starts banning and censoring people, then the community votes to remove him and elect a new mod in his place. This is fine because he doesn't own Hearthstone, he just first started the sub for the Hearthstone community on this site.

I had this happen to me when I got an unjustified ban from /r/starcraft for posting there on a parody account. The problem is, if I circumvented that ban by then posting on my main account, I'd be shadowbanned as a whole from Reddit. The sad thing is, nobody gave a fuck when I tried calling it out on other subreddits.

JuiceTown ago

I see your point and my initial reaction to it was: If the subscribers of v/Hearthstone are unsatisfied with the sub, why don't they create v/Hearthstone2 and all go there to do the things they please?

After considering this perspective though, if someone were to somehow take v/JuiceTown (and I still wanted to voat), I would just go and start v/JuiceTown2 -- in this sense we're really discussing the issue of who gets the url. The code i've written for my sub is publicly available for anyone to take; my artwork as well, so i cannot legitimately claim ownership of these things. so what do I own? perhaps it's u/JuiceTown. perhaps it's the spirit of JuiceTown which lies within me -- a spirit which no one can take, or moderate. perhaps the spirit of JuiceTown lies within us all; a little bit of juice in each one of us... Long Live the Juice

A_Sensible_Gent ago

Yes heil Juicer, but there's truth in that, what is the spirit of the community? Is it the spirit and personality of the creator manifesting itself in the sub, or is it a mix and swirling glob of personalities from the users forming a new spirit in the sub? Depending on which is when I think a "vote for a new mod" system should be allowed.

JuiceTown ago

The community has a list of ideas/things we support. The community initially formed, as like-minded individuals came together in support of these ideas. Many came for this juice and stayed for the lols.

The spirit was never about the creator. It was brought by the creator. One could say the creator demonstrated the spirit, and the spirit has moved within the hearts and minds of those who experience it.

Let me ask you this: If in a pitcher, you were to mix a bit of orange juice, a bit of cranberry, a bit of grape, some apple, some grapefruit, a bit of carrot juice and some pomegranate -- and you stirred it up, what type of juice would that be? Certainly you wouldn't call it orange juice, because it is much more than that. Likewise you couldn't call it apple, and so on. If a majority of these juices voated to remove the carrot, could such a thing even be done? Does it even make sense to refer to any part of this juice as 'the carrot juice?' Understanding the mixing of these juices might hold the key to understanding our strange voat subverse. Or, perhaps not. Perhaps we're just thirsty.

mamwad ago

We would need strict regulations regarding which subs users could do that to.

No one is taking /v/freakmusic from me... ever!

toats ago

Omg cancermod!!!!

HomerSimpson ago

Issue being if they set a precedent then sub moderators who grew the sub up themselves will be fearful of being removed/

JohnQCitizen ago

What did he do?

common_sense ago

He's huge on censorship and deletes anything he disagrees with.

6065576? ago

He did create 9 out of the 10 subverses he currently moderates, so kicking him out of those would be like kicking Amalek out of his v/TheRealAmalek subverse. v/gunsarecool is the only one that he stole from a former Voat user.

CANCEL-CAT-FACTS ago

This is voat, a free speech open discussion platform (have your say).

It is not Reddit, a censored propaganda outlet and marketing platform.

@HenryCorp did not establish those subverses with a voat-spirited theme of uncensored discussion -- he came here to squat on generically named, recognizable subverses in anticipation of the collapse of Reddit.

He is not a voater in good faith or any sense of the word. He inputs the minimum effort needed to maintain defacto ownership of part of voat so that he can censor discussion and market his agenda for profit at our expense.

If he wants a vanity subverse or circle jerk subverse then he should be welcome to start one. Instead, he is subverting open discussion and squelching the free exchange of ideas by squatting on general interest subverses for the sole purpose of peer-to-peer marketing and odious multi-level corporate shilling.

@HenryCorp

Hey_Sunshine ago

It would appear @HenryCorp is a spineless lil bitch

LlamaMan ago

Atko since nobody will see this you can have my firstborn as a Voat donation.

Morbo ago

Glad to hear Voat is floating alright with the donation money. I've been a bit worried that donations had tapered off to the point where the future of Voat would be in jeopardy. I will happily continue to donate and buy Voat merchandise knowing that it is making a difference. And speaking of Voat merch, would you consider doing another round of shirts or maybe some new items? How about something designed by our resident crustacean with a knack for drawing, SketchyCrab? Just throwing the idea out there.

Anyway, glad you had a great holiday and the rumors of your untimely demise were unfounded.

xeemee ago

I take every chance that I get to go out for a rideJPG on my MT07.

just be careful you don't get a flat :)

TheDude2 ago

I request that voat finds a way to get me blow jobs.

Edit: I did think of something that would be fun. Sync deddit subs to some here. Only we can add any reply we want.

Morbo ago

Might be a tall order, but I think we can arrange some butt stuff for you instead. You just have to summon that well compensated professional butt party guy and it will happen.

xeemee ago

re features - please consider adding missing metadata to the xml feeds (author, date, etc.)

skymod ago

By the way, if there is one thing that you would like to see implemented on Voat, what would it be?

Please give mods/users a 'mark nsfw' button to label submissions after being created. Flairs aren't as effective since they don't show up on /v/all or the front page.

Salicaz ago

I love you both.

Arotaes_Forgehammer ago

By the way, if there is one thing that you would like to see implemented on Voat, what would it be? What could I or Puttitout do that would make your life easier? Does Voat need new features? Is there a feature you think Voat is missing?

I think a lot of us would love a slashdot-style voting system. Tag voting would remove a lot of problems inherent in the current U/D system.

Arotaes_Forgehammer ago

Seems like there was indeed a DDOS. We stayed up though - looks like your construction is rock-solid!

jerrykantrell ago

I wonder who ran the DDoS

Arotaes_Forgehammer ago

Reddit, Imgur, or a political group.

jerrykantrell ago

But wasn't reddit DDoSed itselves at around the same time?

Arotaes_Forgehammer ago

No, that was a software bug apparently.

jerrykantrell ago

I see, if that is indeed true, the timing is interesting, don't you think?

6065592? ago

Some people think that the DDoS was started by the attackers after Reddit went down, since Voat gets its biggest traffic boost from Reddit going down (literally from server issues or figuratively from admin/mod issues).

Arotaes_Forgehammer ago

Very.

mqrmqr ago

I always love to see another canary message (:

sinjinsmythe ago

I really appreciate the site, so thank you.

Ah_Pook ago

I'd love (a toggle button, maybe) notifications on replies to replies. Like when I comment, somebody replies, I get a red envelope. But if somebody continues that thread, I don't know it.

omegletrollz ago

Voat style is great but it really only supports 1-on-1 discussion with the way comment notifications work nowadays. It's really an arbitrary limit that hurts discussion very much, which we shouldn't have in a "have your say" website. Sending a notification to all parent comments (or up to 10 of them) would be amazing and really take Voat to the next level. It probably wouldn't be that much of a toll on development time and server load either since notifications already exist and comment threads aren't usually very big.

Spip ago

Subscribing to a thread could be great!

Like a box with a list of watched threads and the number of new comments since last opened.

fagnig ago

Fix the PM system. Make it so you can see how many characters you have left before voat eats the PM and doesnt save what you wrote, and doesnt send the pm.

Appoint janitors to an anti spam team, who can batphone you with spamming accounts for you to shut down everyday. Read /v/reportspammers

derram ago

Also automatically marking viewed PMs as read woukd be nice.

Alias_Unknown ago

I think a character count would be a brilliant addition. I doubt it would even be that difficult to implement. But it sure would save a lot of head aches.

coldacid ago

It could be done as a userscript, even. Surprising that AVE doesn't already have a function for it.

Fambida ago

Go suggest it at /v/ave. You'll get my upgoat.

Arotaes_Forgehammer ago

nanananana JANITOR!

SkillYourself ago

Can you please release the api for inbox notifications and submissions for mobile?

Cheers lads. Love your work.

TheTrigger ago

HE'S ALIVE!

Dashippy ago

It's good to see the boys are back in town. If I had one feature request it would be to find a way to activate those block buttons. I don't personally care much about blocking users one way or the other but every so often there's a new thread up asking when it will be possible to block users and that block button has been there forever. I guess it's a hard feature to implement but I think it is something that people would like to see happen.

Outside of that I think I'm good for Voat features.

Lemongarb ago

The "report" button, also.

OhBlindOne ago

Thanks for keeping us updated Atko.

Would love to see @Puttitout back on sometime soon, haven't seen the guy in quite some time.

You should also definitely add the mod ability to move submissions to /v/whatever or other subverses. It would give mods an option to clean up their subverses without deleting content, thus helping to avoid the censorship problem.

AlphaWookie ago

That feature will be abused in no time flat.

6065561? ago

Having the "move submission to v/whatever or a subverse specifically built as a mod dumping ground" idea be an extra option in the mod's toolbox is good. Having it replace the ability to delete posts is bad.

OhBlindOne ago

Having it replace the ability to delete posts is bad.

100% agree, I definitely want mods to be able to delete stuff that is not supposed to be anywhere on Voat, not even /v/whatever. The move option would just be the goto for anything that doesn't break Voat rules, but also doesn't belong in a specific subverse.

AristotleCLONE ago

I definitely want mods to be able to delete stuff that is not supposed to be anywhere on Voat, not even /v/whatever.

Well, it's good that 'decent' people like you don't feel this same way when re: deleting stuff posted by racist members who flood this website with lovely words such as 'faggot' & 'NIGGER' no doubt indeed. 'Tis certainly the nucleus of what's allowed this website to get bigger than reddit now, eh?

~~~

And yes, please be sure to not disturb any mod's nor any member's ability to create racist and deceitful/dishonest stories about BLM! I bet you'd commit suicide, if voat owners were to call a moratorium re: hating on BLM eh?

rhy ago

I wasn't aware this site was into censorship...

Delonyem ago

Some things can bring up legal issues like cp

Empire_of_the_mind ago

I've always been a big fan of this idea.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

Alias_Unknown ago

Glad you see you're still giving us a transparency report.

It looks like those rumors of a DDOS attack the other day, turned out to be substantiated.

Keep up the great work Atko, and I'm glad to hear that you had a wonderful vacation.

Arotaes_Forgehammer ago

Where did he go?

E: derp

Alias_Unknown ago

I was on holidays but also, Switzerland is amazing during summer, so I take every chance that I get to go out for a rideJPG on my MT07.

Looks like he traveled around the country on his motorcycle.

Arotaes_Forgehammer ago

Lucky bastard.

fagnig ago

Yeah, so that peak in bad browsers, shows the slowness was not just because reddit was down and people came over here, but a ddos, which maybe coincided with one on reddit at the same time? Surprised voat was even up then.

Empire_of_the_mind ago

It's been observed before. When Reddit has issues they DDOS Voat as it's likely to pick up users during those times.

Girthcontrol ago

That's pretty scummy if true. I wonder if it's Reddit themselves or a group of their blue haired nobodies.

StonedGingerJesus ago

thats the problem with a company like reddit mostly hiring its users, there really is no distinction at this point.

Empire_of_the_mind ago

Well, they've certainly not earned a scummy reputation so I guess I'm wrong!

Alias_Unknown ago

That would definitely compound the server load. I know it went down briefly the other night. But was back up within 20 minutes or so.

I find it kind of amusing how there was nearly a 2 week gap between major threats.