High level Mormons are Luciferian, of course the actual Christians who fall for the nicer aspects of Mormonism don't do the research into the real history of how the cult was created. Their prophet was an evil piece of shit who compulsively lied, cheated, and stealed. A cult like that obviously attracts psychopaths hungry for power.
Any Mormon whose gone through the Temple is defacto Luciferian. They just don't know it, nor are taught that the concept of being a God is defacto Luciferianism. The most blind and naive group one will ever meet.
They are not allowed to even read their own history, and if they do, it MUST be from ONLY church approved sources.
What an awful thing to say. Have you listened to one of their conferences? They’re all about serving one another and inspiring to do good. Nothing could be further from the truth than your accusation.
I know many of them and they’re the kindest, warmest people I know. They serve in demanding calling without compensation and they spend time trying to help others.
This is true, most people don't realize that Mormonism is setup like a masonic sect, the higher up you go, the more "theology" you get revealed to you.
The very fact that Mormonism added to the KJB when that is explicitly warned against in Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.
I'm not a biblical scholar but when "The Book of Revelation" was written the Bible hadn't been compiled into a single book and The Bible has had books added to and subtracted from ' The Apocryphal Texts" as well so the Bible has been altered plenty of times!
It has and each of those decisions should be scrutinized. Some books were omitted in KJB, were any of them significant? It matters even if it is impossible to ever know the exact intent of God for holy scripture. Even the words chosen from the original Greek should be scrutinized, if for no other reason than to learn about how a translation can shape an understanding.
Revelation 22:18 refers to modifications to Revelation. This is proven by the fact that John wrote more of the Bible AFTER he wrote Revelation, and also by the fact that the Bible didn't exist when Revelation was written as it was compiled many years later.
Now that this misconception is cleared up, I challenge you to point to where God has ever said He's done speaking to His children.
After John wrote revelation, an angel would appear to another person at a much later date and cause him to add to a book that was itself a politically motivated form of the scripture (King Henry VIII wanted his divorce)?
Not only is the book of Mormon added to Revelation, it is added to Protestantism itself, and the whims of John Henry Smith and King Henry VIII.
As KJB says, by their fruits you shall no them. Well, people reject polygamy but the founder of Mormonism took wives. Now compare his life to that of John the prophet of Revelation, who witnessed the crucifixion even as the others fled.
Divinely revealed text is not a simply a matter of God talking, it is the living word, it is part of God himself. The consequences of getting this wrong are too great to shrug of the strangeness of John Henry Smith's account of his private revelation or his subsequent life of polygamy which is no longer practiced by most of Mormonism.
The expression of marriage is paramount to the identity of Christianity, this is not a secondary issue. Either John Henry Smith's life is exemplary or Mormonism is false, and the revelation of Christ, as the bride groom, informs us that the age of the patriarchs, and the permission for multiple wives has ended, as also expressed by Christ himself to the divorce happy Pharisees in Mark 10:2-8:
Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?” “What did Moses command you?” he replied. They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.” “It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied. “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.’
Two become one. The expression of marriage is paramount to the Christian identity and manifestly different in the life of the prophet of Mormonism.
The Book of Mormon is not added to Protestantism; we reject Protestantism entirely. A core claim of ours is that Christianity had lost its way through apostasy, in spite of the well-meaning efforts of reformers such as Luther and Calvin, and that a wholesale restoration was necessary.
Likewise, parts of the Bible had been lost through corruption and with them key parts of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Therefore, new revelation was required to restore these truths in preparation for the End Times. This is why God inspired the creation of the Book of Mormon - a project which started around 600 BC, by the way.
The great patriarchs were all polygamists. Were they not holy men? Did they not practice it before the advent of the Law of Moses? Therefore, the idea of polygamy under God's direction is not in and of itself evil. We no longer practice it because God directed us to stop.
Frankly, I don't fully understand the reasons behind polygamy, other than what the Lord Himself told Jacob in the Book of Mormon (Jacob 2):
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
So I don't pretend to understand the apparent contradiction. But it's alright, I know that Jesus is my Savior and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints led me to Him. All other understanding will come in time. But He does say that He will command polygamy from time to time if it is His purpose to "raise up seed." This explains why He authorized it for the patriarchs, and I can only likewise assume that it was the Lord's will to build up the early Church quickly in order to advance His purposes.
My question is, my misnomer aside, why, centuries after Christ, centuries of a monogamous marriage why reintroduce the time of the patriarchs?
This is a matter of eternal salvation. And marriage is intrinsic to the Christian (read post-patriarchal) identity. If the founder of Mormonism got polygamy wrong, that is not inconsequential. Is that not fair? Marriage expresses the absolute truth of God's desire for his creature, as Christ is the bride groom to his church.
Anyways, I don't mean any rudeness. I wrote my response very late and I apologize if I am coming across as rude to you personally.
I will review my Mormon history so I can speak more accurately on the matter.
Well, like I said I don't understand polygamy fully. I think I would personally have a very hard time living it. But when God commands, you obey.
The best explanation I can offer is the one above in Jacob 2:30. Other more erudite members may be able to do better.
If you read the contemporary histories, you find that Joseph himself had a terrible time accepting the commandment. He did NOT like the idea. He reports that he had to be commanded four separate times over several years. In the end, he records, the Lord finally sent an angel with an ultimatum - accept the commandment or the angel was commanded to slay him.
A test of faith? Abraham was commanded to kill his son. A means to "raise seed" in preparation for the Lord's kingdom? The House of Israel's influence and promises spread across the globe and have reverberated throughout history. I don't know the purpose of the commandment. But I reiterate that I know Jesus is my Savior and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints led me to Him. That faith in the Savior is my guide star and demonstrates to me that the Church cannot be evil, for no evil thing leads to Christ. All other understanding will come in time.
I guess my only point is that God's ways are higher than our ways, and sometimes we're expected to obey without understanding.
Bill Schnoebelen has a lot of lectures about his time in the Mormon church. He describes it as being a Masonic Luciferian organization. Take it with a grain of salt though.
They play word games to obscure the fact that they don't believe Jesus is God, but they don't believe Jesus is God.
They also trick you by plastering pics of Jesus all over their marketing materials...but thats just so they can try to recruit ignorant Christians.
There's room for SOME disagreements on details among Christians....but to be considered a Christian, shouldn't you have to at least believe Jesus is God?
Your following false teachings friend, I would suggest converting to Christianity & repenting. Straight from Christ himself: "For I am God, and there is no other." Isa 43:10-11 "Understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me." So we should understand God is not making other gods with a small g. Anyone who comes along and says you too will be as god is saying exactly what the Devil said to Eve. May God bless you friend & shine his light on you. Godspeed on your journey.
Thanks, but I'm already a Christian. Jesus is my Savior and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints led me to Him.
Your concern is appreciated but unnecessary. I enjoy a daily walk with Christ.
I'll pose a counterpoint to you: What exactly is the Bible talking about when it speaks of inheriting the Kingdom of God? We happen to take that promise literally. How could this happen if not for the possibility to choose a path that leads us to becoming like our Father?
Fair enough. I will leave you with a single passage from the Holy Bible, this again is Lord Christ Jesus's speaking. And what he is speaking of is false Messiahs, friend ask yourself one question could there be more Jesus?...
Mark 13:6
"Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many."
Jesus is the Son of God and God. Jesus was NOT created, as the Mormons believe. He always was, same as the Father and Holy Spirit....In fact, Jesus --as taught in the KJV-- created the world.
Straight from Jesus himself: "For I am God, and there is no other." Isa 43:10-11 "Understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me." So we should understand God is not making other gods with a small g. Anyone who comes along and says you too will be as god is saying exactly what the Devil said to Eve.
And yet all you Christians have different interpretations of the same Jesus from the same bible. So many different Gods from one book. How do you know which one is right?//////
I didn't say they don't "believe in Jesus". I said they don't believe He's God.
And it matters WAY more than your too-casual "you just believe different things about Jesus". When the "different" is the Mormon doesn't believe Jesus is God and the Christian--pretty much by definition--believes Jesus IS God? You worship a different God than Christians do.
TWO weasel-worded dishonest statements, calculated to mislead. Again, thanks for the demonstration.
The mormon believes Jesus is the son of God, acting as the God of this world on his behalf. They believe in three Gods. Father, son, holy ghost. So I guess different, but they believe in the same bible, the same Jesus in the bible. They just interpret him differently than most christian religions. But honestly, it seems to me that all Christian religions have their own version of this Jesus from the same bible anyway. That is all I'm saying.
And in response to your assumption that I believe in a different God than Christians. I don't believe in Gods.
You are claiming now to NOT be a Mormon, I'll take you at your word....but you seem to have struck upon some of their favorite misdirections in hiding their actual beliefs about Jesus from potential recruits....
Look, "they" believe Jesus was CREATED. By God. They believe that Satan is Jesus' BROTHER.
That would make Satan "God" too, wouldn't it? No definition of God that I've ever seen defines Him as a CREATED being. If Jesus is created, who is He in relation to His "Creator"? A "created" God is --conceptually-- a contradiction in terms.
Okay... seems like you're using word play now. No, I'm not a mormon. Mormon beliefs are a bit ridiculous IMO, but I feel that way about all versions of God I have studied.
Mormon's believe Jesus and you and every other human is a son or daughter of God. But Jesus was the only "perfect" child, given the powers of God on earth. Mormons believe Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. That God gave him power to act as his proxy and created the earth as he was commanded by God to do so and God gave him dominion over it. They believe God sent him to earth (New Testament) to die for the sins of mankind. Mormons believe satan was also a son of God that was cast out. They view him more as a God of hell, who has no power over God. In reference to "created" yeah, they believe Jesus and all other sons daughters were created by God.
Probably what makes so many Christians so mad about the way mormons view God, Jesus, whatever, is they believe good humans can some day progress to the status of a God and do exactly the same thing God did. They think it is all a cycle.
You may have large differences in what you believe about Jesus, but that's the same with all Christian religions IMO. It is the same bible you read. The same Jesus in it. You just all interpret him different. So claiming mormons don't believe in Jesus, when it Jesus is literally a part of every belief system they have, and the their only way to God, is just word play.
What we believe about Jesus is THE determinant factor ....we believe He is GOD. You keep saying that Mormons "believe in Jesus", as if thats akin to believing He is God. Its also "How to trick Christians into believing Mormons are also Christians 101".....those slick lies are TAUGHT to Mormons as recruiting agitprop to use against unsophisticated Christians.
You use way too much of that agitprop...I've changed my mind again....this "I'm not a Mormon myself, but I can tell that they're the same as any Christian denomination" routine is more obvious than you imagine.
You imagine you know me or my history. You fool yourself into such thinking. I just call bullshit when I see it. You christians, mormons, whatever, love to divide. I am an atheist who cares not what you or others believe. I just hate division and that is what all of you seem to do. US vs. THEM. It accomplishes nothing, but division. Nice try though.
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15894090? ago
They are luciferian.
Mormons they aren’t. Please don’t spead misinformation. Mormons are very loving and peaceful.
The Romneys will rot in hell.
15894175? ago
High level Mormons are Luciferian, of course the actual Christians who fall for the nicer aspects of Mormonism don't do the research into the real history of how the cult was created. Their prophet was an evil piece of shit who compulsively lied, cheated, and stealed. A cult like that obviously attracts psychopaths hungry for power.
15917298? ago
Any Mormon whose gone through the Temple is defacto Luciferian. They just don't know it, nor are taught that the concept of being a God is defacto Luciferianism. The most blind and naive group one will ever meet.
They are not allowed to even read their own history, and if they do, it MUST be from ONLY church approved sources.
15897875? ago
What an awful thing to say. Have you listened to one of their conferences? They’re all about serving one another and inspiring to do good. Nothing could be further from the truth than your accusation.
I know many of them and they’re the kindest, warmest people I know. They serve in demanding calling without compensation and they spend time trying to help others.
“By their fruits shall ya know them.”
15897955? ago
Thank you for speaking up, Anon.
We have our share of scumbags. But most of us really do try to be disciples of Christ.
15895185? ago
This is true, most people don't realize that Mormonism is setup like a masonic sect, the higher up you go, the more "theology" you get revealed to you.
The very fact that Mormonism added to the KJB when that is explicitly warned against in Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.
Scripture is closed. Mormonism added to it.
15900002? ago
I'm not a biblical scholar but when "The Book of Revelation" was written the Bible hadn't been compiled into a single book and The Bible has had books added to and subtracted from ' The Apocryphal Texts" as well so the Bible has been altered plenty of times!
15900277? ago
It has and each of those decisions should be scrutinized. Some books were omitted in KJB, were any of them significant? It matters even if it is impossible to ever know the exact intent of God for holy scripture. Even the words chosen from the original Greek should be scrutinized, if for no other reason than to learn about how a translation can shape an understanding.
15900324? ago
Agreed! The only thing I was pointing out was that the Book of Revelation was a separate book when the oft quoted scripture was written!
15896445? ago
Revelation 22:18 refers to modifications to Revelation. This is proven by the fact that John wrote more of the Bible AFTER he wrote Revelation, and also by the fact that the Bible didn't exist when Revelation was written as it was compiled many years later.
Now that this misconception is cleared up, I challenge you to point to where God has ever said He's done speaking to His children.
15898053? ago
Reread what you just wrote.
After John wrote revelation, an angel would appear to another person at a much later date and cause him to add to a book that was itself a politically motivated form of the scripture (King Henry VIII wanted his divorce)?
Not only is the book of Mormon added to Revelation, it is added to Protestantism itself, and the whims of John Henry Smith and King Henry VIII.
As KJB says, by their fruits you shall no them. Well, people reject polygamy but the founder of Mormonism took wives. Now compare his life to that of John the prophet of Revelation, who witnessed the crucifixion even as the others fled.
Divinely revealed text is not a simply a matter of God talking, it is the living word, it is part of God himself. The consequences of getting this wrong are too great to shrug of the strangeness of John Henry Smith's account of his private revelation or his subsequent life of polygamy which is no longer practiced by most of Mormonism.
The expression of marriage is paramount to the identity of Christianity, this is not a secondary issue. Either John Henry Smith's life is exemplary or Mormonism is false, and the revelation of Christ, as the bride groom, informs us that the age of the patriarchs, and the permission for multiple wives has ended, as also expressed by Christ himself to the divorce happy Pharisees in Mark 10:2-8:
Two become one. The expression of marriage is paramount to the Christian identity and manifestly different in the life of the prophet of Mormonism.
15898142? ago
The Book of Mormon is not added to Protestantism; we reject Protestantism entirely. A core claim of ours is that Christianity had lost its way through apostasy, in spite of the well-meaning efforts of reformers such as Luther and Calvin, and that a wholesale restoration was necessary.
Likewise, parts of the Bible had been lost through corruption and with them key parts of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Therefore, new revelation was required to restore these truths in preparation for the End Times. This is why God inspired the creation of the Book of Mormon - a project which started around 600 BC, by the way.
The great patriarchs were all polygamists. Were they not holy men? Did they not practice it before the advent of the Law of Moses? Therefore, the idea of polygamy under God's direction is not in and of itself evil. We no longer practice it because God directed us to stop.
Frankly, I don't fully understand the reasons behind polygamy, other than what the Lord Himself told Jacob in the Book of Mormon (Jacob 2):
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
So I don't pretend to understand the apparent contradiction. But it's alright, I know that Jesus is my Savior and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints led me to Him. All other understanding will come in time. But He does say that He will command polygamy from time to time if it is His purpose to "raise up seed." This explains why He authorized it for the patriarchs, and I can only likewise assume that it was the Lord's will to build up the early Church quickly in order to advance His purposes.
Who is this John Henry Smith of whom you speak?
15900228? ago
True, that should read Joseph Smith. John Henry Smith came later. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_Smith
My question is, my misnomer aside, why, centuries after Christ, centuries of a monogamous marriage why reintroduce the time of the patriarchs?
This is a matter of eternal salvation. And marriage is intrinsic to the Christian (read post-patriarchal) identity. If the founder of Mormonism got polygamy wrong, that is not inconsequential. Is that not fair? Marriage expresses the absolute truth of God's desire for his creature, as Christ is the bride groom to his church.
Anyways, I don't mean any rudeness. I wrote my response very late and I apologize if I am coming across as rude to you personally.
I will review my Mormon history so I can speak more accurately on the matter.
Peace
15903412? ago
Well, like I said I don't understand polygamy fully. I think I would personally have a very hard time living it. But when God commands, you obey.
The best explanation I can offer is the one above in Jacob 2:30. Other more erudite members may be able to do better.
If you read the contemporary histories, you find that Joseph himself had a terrible time accepting the commandment. He did NOT like the idea. He reports that he had to be commanded four separate times over several years. In the end, he records, the Lord finally sent an angel with an ultimatum - accept the commandment or the angel was commanded to slay him.
A test of faith? Abraham was commanded to kill his son. A means to "raise seed" in preparation for the Lord's kingdom? The House of Israel's influence and promises spread across the globe and have reverberated throughout history. I don't know the purpose of the commandment. But I reiterate that I know Jesus is my Savior and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints led me to Him. That faith in the Savior is my guide star and demonstrates to me that the Church cannot be evil, for no evil thing leads to Christ. All other understanding will come in time.
I guess my only point is that God's ways are higher than our ways, and sometimes we're expected to obey without understanding.
No rudeness was perceived. God bless!
15895461? ago
Bill Schnoebelen has a lot of lectures about his time in the Mormon church. He describes it as being a Masonic Luciferian organization. Take it with a grain of salt though.
15896465? ago
A dumptruck-sized block of salt would be necessary. The whole video is a string of lies and half-truths.
Going to an anti-Mormon for the truth about us is like going to the MSM for the truth about Trump.
15894961? ago
They're NOT actual Christians.
THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS GOD.
They play word games to obscure the fact that they don't believe Jesus is God, but they don't believe Jesus is God. They also trick you by plastering pics of Jesus all over their marketing materials...but thats just so they can try to recruit ignorant Christians.
There's room for SOME disagreements on details among Christians....but to be considered a Christian, shouldn't you have to at least believe Jesus is God?
15895528? ago
They also are tought they too can become gods themselves.
15898888? ago
Yes, and be gods of their very own planets in the afterlife.
15896385? ago
Sure. There's got to be some purpose to this life. How about seeing if God's children can actually grow up to be like Him?
The choices you make demonstrate whether you actually want that.
15906161? ago
Your following false teachings friend, I would suggest converting to Christianity & repenting. Straight from Christ himself: "For I am God, and there is no other." Isa 43:10-11 "Understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me." So we should understand God is not making other gods with a small g. Anyone who comes along and says you too will be as god is saying exactly what the Devil said to Eve. May God bless you friend & shine his light on you. Godspeed on your journey.
15906390? ago
Thanks, but I'm already a Christian. Jesus is my Savior and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints led me to Him.
Your concern is appreciated but unnecessary. I enjoy a daily walk with Christ.
I'll pose a counterpoint to you: What exactly is the Bible talking about when it speaks of inheriting the Kingdom of God? We happen to take that promise literally. How could this happen if not for the possibility to choose a path that leads us to becoming like our Father?
15909569? ago
Fair enough. I will leave you with a single passage from the Holy Bible, this again is Lord Christ Jesus's speaking. And what he is speaking of is false Messiahs, friend ask yourself one question could there be more Jesus?...
Mark 13:6 "Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many."
15910232? ago
Indeed. That's why one must go directly to God for confirmation of the truth.
15896637? ago
It’s so funny Mormons are so quick to jump on any other cult.... but so fast to defend their beloved church .
15896750? ago
I don't know what you mean by "jump on any other cult". Of course we defend, it stands to reason. We think it's true.
15895450? ago
Jesus is the son of God, not God.
15900645? ago
Jesus is the Son of God and God. Jesus was NOT created, as the Mormons believe. He always was, same as the Father and Holy Spirit....In fact, Jesus --as taught in the KJV-- created the world.
15898903? ago
Christians believe both. It’s convoluted.
15895045? ago
They do believe in Jesus. You just believe different things about Jesus. All christians play word games. My god your god... blah, blah.
15906219? ago
Straight from Jesus himself: "For I am God, and there is no other." Isa 43:10-11 "Understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me." So we should understand God is not making other gods with a small g. Anyone who comes along and says you too will be as god is saying exactly what the Devil said to Eve.
15912770? ago
And yet all you Christians have different interpretations of the same Jesus from the same bible. So many different Gods from one book. How do you know which one is right?//////
15895345? ago
Word game alert. Thanks for the demonstration.
I didn't say they don't "believe in Jesus". I said they don't believe He's God.
And it matters WAY more than your too-casual "you just believe different things about Jesus". When the "different" is the Mormon doesn't believe Jesus is God and the Christian--pretty much by definition--believes Jesus IS God? You worship a different God than Christians do.
TWO weasel-worded dishonest statements, calculated to mislead. Again, thanks for the demonstration.
15896403? ago
True, we worship the Christ as described in the Bible; most Christian denominations worship the Christ as defined by creeds and humanistic philosophy.
There's a reason we're classified as "restorationists."
15895672? ago
The mormon believes Jesus is the son of God, acting as the God of this world on his behalf. They believe in three Gods. Father, son, holy ghost. So I guess different, but they believe in the same bible, the same Jesus in the bible. They just interpret him differently than most christian religions. But honestly, it seems to me that all Christian religions have their own version of this Jesus from the same bible anyway. That is all I'm saying.
And in response to your assumption that I believe in a different God than Christians. I don't believe in Gods.
15900894? ago
You are claiming now to NOT be a Mormon, I'll take you at your word....but you seem to have struck upon some of their favorite misdirections in hiding their actual beliefs about Jesus from potential recruits....
Look, "they" believe Jesus was CREATED. By God. They believe that Satan is Jesus' BROTHER. That would make Satan "God" too, wouldn't it? No definition of God that I've ever seen defines Him as a CREATED being. If Jesus is created, who is He in relation to His "Creator"? A "created" God is --conceptually-- a contradiction in terms.
15903569? ago
Okay... seems like you're using word play now. No, I'm not a mormon. Mormon beliefs are a bit ridiculous IMO, but I feel that way about all versions of God I have studied.
Mormon's believe Jesus and you and every other human is a son or daughter of God. But Jesus was the only "perfect" child, given the powers of God on earth. Mormons believe Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. That God gave him power to act as his proxy and created the earth as he was commanded by God to do so and God gave him dominion over it. They believe God sent him to earth (New Testament) to die for the sins of mankind. Mormons believe satan was also a son of God that was cast out. They view him more as a God of hell, who has no power over God. In reference to "created" yeah, they believe Jesus and all other sons daughters were created by God.
Probably what makes so many Christians so mad about the way mormons view God, Jesus, whatever, is they believe good humans can some day progress to the status of a God and do exactly the same thing God did. They think it is all a cycle.
You may have large differences in what you believe about Jesus, but that's the same with all Christian religions IMO. It is the same bible you read. The same Jesus in it. You just all interpret him different. So claiming mormons don't believe in Jesus, when it Jesus is literally a part of every belief system they have, and the their only way to God, is just word play.
15903822? ago
You don't understand "word games"
What we believe about Jesus is THE determinant factor ....we believe He is GOD. You keep saying that Mormons "believe in Jesus", as if thats akin to believing He is God. Its also "How to trick Christians into believing Mormons are also Christians 101".....those slick lies are TAUGHT to Mormons as recruiting agitprop to use against unsophisticated Christians.
You use way too much of that agitprop...I've changed my mind again....this "I'm not a Mormon myself, but I can tell that they're the same as any Christian denomination" routine is more obvious than you imagine.
15912816? ago
You imagine you know me or my history. You fool yourself into such thinking. I just call bullshit when I see it. You christians, mormons, whatever, love to divide. I am an atheist who cares not what you or others believe. I just hate division and that is what all of you seem to do. US vs. THEM. It accomplishes nothing, but division. Nice try though.
15913923? ago
Uh-huh. Prolly still mad about the Inquisitions, too.
Of course, the officially atheist governments of the 20th Century managed to slaughter over 100 million ....why don't you go nag them?
15915789? ago
I said nothing of any of those things. Continue with your assumptions about others though. Just shows your close-mindedness.