High level Mormons are Luciferian, of course the actual Christians who fall for the nicer aspects of Mormonism don't do the research into the real history of how the cult was created. Their prophet was an evil piece of shit who compulsively lied, cheated, and stealed. A cult like that obviously attracts psychopaths hungry for power.
They play word games to obscure the fact that they don't believe Jesus is God, but they don't believe Jesus is God.
They also trick you by plastering pics of Jesus all over their marketing materials...but thats just so they can try to recruit ignorant Christians.
There's room for SOME disagreements on details among Christians....but to be considered a Christian, shouldn't you have to at least believe Jesus is God?
I didn't say they don't "believe in Jesus". I said they don't believe He's God.
And it matters WAY more than your too-casual "you just believe different things about Jesus". When the "different" is the Mormon doesn't believe Jesus is God and the Christian--pretty much by definition--believes Jesus IS God? You worship a different God than Christians do.
TWO weasel-worded dishonest statements, calculated to mislead. Again, thanks for the demonstration.
The mormon believes Jesus is the son of God, acting as the God of this world on his behalf. They believe in three Gods. Father, son, holy ghost. So I guess different, but they believe in the same bible, the same Jesus in the bible. They just interpret him differently than most christian religions. But honestly, it seems to me that all Christian religions have their own version of this Jesus from the same bible anyway. That is all I'm saying.
And in response to your assumption that I believe in a different God than Christians. I don't believe in Gods.
You are claiming now to NOT be a Mormon, I'll take you at your word....but you seem to have struck upon some of their favorite misdirections in hiding their actual beliefs about Jesus from potential recruits....
Look, "they" believe Jesus was CREATED. By God. They believe that Satan is Jesus' BROTHER.
That would make Satan "God" too, wouldn't it? No definition of God that I've ever seen defines Him as a CREATED being. If Jesus is created, who is He in relation to His "Creator"? A "created" God is --conceptually-- a contradiction in terms.
Okay... seems like you're using word play now. No, I'm not a mormon. Mormon beliefs are a bit ridiculous IMO, but I feel that way about all versions of God I have studied.
Mormon's believe Jesus and you and every other human is a son or daughter of God. But Jesus was the only "perfect" child, given the powers of God on earth. Mormons believe Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. That God gave him power to act as his proxy and created the earth as he was commanded by God to do so and God gave him dominion over it. They believe God sent him to earth (New Testament) to die for the sins of mankind. Mormons believe satan was also a son of God that was cast out. They view him more as a God of hell, who has no power over God. In reference to "created" yeah, they believe Jesus and all other sons daughters were created by God.
Probably what makes so many Christians so mad about the way mormons view God, Jesus, whatever, is they believe good humans can some day progress to the status of a God and do exactly the same thing God did. They think it is all a cycle.
You may have large differences in what you believe about Jesus, but that's the same with all Christian religions IMO. It is the same bible you read. The same Jesus in it. You just all interpret him different. So claiming mormons don't believe in Jesus, when it Jesus is literally a part of every belief system they have, and the their only way to God, is just word play.
What we believe about Jesus is THE determinant factor ....we believe He is GOD. You keep saying that Mormons "believe in Jesus", as if thats akin to believing He is God. Its also "How to trick Christians into believing Mormons are also Christians 101".....those slick lies are TAUGHT to Mormons as recruiting agitprop to use against unsophisticated Christians.
You use way too much of that agitprop...I've changed my mind again....this "I'm not a Mormon myself, but I can tell that they're the same as any Christian denomination" routine is more obvious than you imagine.
You imagine you know me or my history. You fool yourself into such thinking. I just call bullshit when I see it. You christians, mormons, whatever, love to divide. I am an atheist who cares not what you or others believe. I just hate division and that is what all of you seem to do. US vs. THEM. It accomplishes nothing, but division. Nice try though.
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15894090? ago
They are luciferian.
Mormons they aren’t. Please don’t spead misinformation. Mormons are very loving and peaceful.
The Romneys will rot in hell.
15894175? ago
High level Mormons are Luciferian, of course the actual Christians who fall for the nicer aspects of Mormonism don't do the research into the real history of how the cult was created. Their prophet was an evil piece of shit who compulsively lied, cheated, and stealed. A cult like that obviously attracts psychopaths hungry for power.
15894961? ago
They're NOT actual Christians.
THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS GOD.
They play word games to obscure the fact that they don't believe Jesus is God, but they don't believe Jesus is God. They also trick you by plastering pics of Jesus all over their marketing materials...but thats just so they can try to recruit ignorant Christians.
There's room for SOME disagreements on details among Christians....but to be considered a Christian, shouldn't you have to at least believe Jesus is God?
15895045? ago
They do believe in Jesus. You just believe different things about Jesus. All christians play word games. My god your god... blah, blah.
15895345? ago
Word game alert. Thanks for the demonstration.
I didn't say they don't "believe in Jesus". I said they don't believe He's God.
And it matters WAY more than your too-casual "you just believe different things about Jesus". When the "different" is the Mormon doesn't believe Jesus is God and the Christian--pretty much by definition--believes Jesus IS God? You worship a different God than Christians do.
TWO weasel-worded dishonest statements, calculated to mislead. Again, thanks for the demonstration.
15895672? ago
The mormon believes Jesus is the son of God, acting as the God of this world on his behalf. They believe in three Gods. Father, son, holy ghost. So I guess different, but they believe in the same bible, the same Jesus in the bible. They just interpret him differently than most christian religions. But honestly, it seems to me that all Christian religions have their own version of this Jesus from the same bible anyway. That is all I'm saying.
And in response to your assumption that I believe in a different God than Christians. I don't believe in Gods.
15900894? ago
You are claiming now to NOT be a Mormon, I'll take you at your word....but you seem to have struck upon some of their favorite misdirections in hiding their actual beliefs about Jesus from potential recruits....
Look, "they" believe Jesus was CREATED. By God. They believe that Satan is Jesus' BROTHER. That would make Satan "God" too, wouldn't it? No definition of God that I've ever seen defines Him as a CREATED being. If Jesus is created, who is He in relation to His "Creator"? A "created" God is --conceptually-- a contradiction in terms.
15903569? ago
Okay... seems like you're using word play now. No, I'm not a mormon. Mormon beliefs are a bit ridiculous IMO, but I feel that way about all versions of God I have studied.
Mormon's believe Jesus and you and every other human is a son or daughter of God. But Jesus was the only "perfect" child, given the powers of God on earth. Mormons believe Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. That God gave him power to act as his proxy and created the earth as he was commanded by God to do so and God gave him dominion over it. They believe God sent him to earth (New Testament) to die for the sins of mankind. Mormons believe satan was also a son of God that was cast out. They view him more as a God of hell, who has no power over God. In reference to "created" yeah, they believe Jesus and all other sons daughters were created by God.
Probably what makes so many Christians so mad about the way mormons view God, Jesus, whatever, is they believe good humans can some day progress to the status of a God and do exactly the same thing God did. They think it is all a cycle.
You may have large differences in what you believe about Jesus, but that's the same with all Christian religions IMO. It is the same bible you read. The same Jesus in it. You just all interpret him different. So claiming mormons don't believe in Jesus, when it Jesus is literally a part of every belief system they have, and the their only way to God, is just word play.
15903822? ago
You don't understand "word games"
What we believe about Jesus is THE determinant factor ....we believe He is GOD. You keep saying that Mormons "believe in Jesus", as if thats akin to believing He is God. Its also "How to trick Christians into believing Mormons are also Christians 101".....those slick lies are TAUGHT to Mormons as recruiting agitprop to use against unsophisticated Christians.
You use way too much of that agitprop...I've changed my mind again....this "I'm not a Mormon myself, but I can tell that they're the same as any Christian denomination" routine is more obvious than you imagine.
15912816? ago
You imagine you know me or my history. You fool yourself into such thinking. I just call bullshit when I see it. You christians, mormons, whatever, love to divide. I am an atheist who cares not what you or others believe. I just hate division and that is what all of you seem to do. US vs. THEM. It accomplishes nothing, but division. Nice try though.
15913923? ago
Uh-huh. Prolly still mad about the Inquisitions, too.
Of course, the officially atheist governments of the 20th Century managed to slaughter over 100 million ....why don't you go nag them?
15915789? ago
I said nothing of any of those things. Continue with your assumptions about others though. Just shows your close-mindedness.