High level Mormons are Luciferian, of course the actual Christians who fall for the nicer aspects of Mormonism don't do the research into the real history of how the cult was created. Their prophet was an evil piece of shit who compulsively lied, cheated, and stealed. A cult like that obviously attracts psychopaths hungry for power.
This is true, most people don't realize that Mormonism is setup like a masonic sect, the higher up you go, the more "theology" you get revealed to you.
The very fact that Mormonism added to the KJB when that is explicitly warned against in Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.
I'm not a biblical scholar but when "The Book of Revelation" was written the Bible hadn't been compiled into a single book and The Bible has had books added to and subtracted from ' The Apocryphal Texts" as well so the Bible has been altered plenty of times!
It has and each of those decisions should be scrutinized. Some books were omitted in KJB, were any of them significant? It matters even if it is impossible to ever know the exact intent of God for holy scripture. Even the words chosen from the original Greek should be scrutinized, if for no other reason than to learn about how a translation can shape an understanding.
Revelation 22:18 refers to modifications to Revelation. This is proven by the fact that John wrote more of the Bible AFTER he wrote Revelation, and also by the fact that the Bible didn't exist when Revelation was written as it was compiled many years later.
Now that this misconception is cleared up, I challenge you to point to where God has ever said He's done speaking to His children.
After John wrote revelation, an angel would appear to another person at a much later date and cause him to add to a book that was itself a politically motivated form of the scripture (King Henry VIII wanted his divorce)?
Not only is the book of Mormon added to Revelation, it is added to Protestantism itself, and the whims of John Henry Smith and King Henry VIII.
As KJB says, by their fruits you shall no them. Well, people reject polygamy but the founder of Mormonism took wives. Now compare his life to that of John the prophet of Revelation, who witnessed the crucifixion even as the others fled.
Divinely revealed text is not a simply a matter of God talking, it is the living word, it is part of God himself. The consequences of getting this wrong are too great to shrug of the strangeness of John Henry Smith's account of his private revelation or his subsequent life of polygamy which is no longer practiced by most of Mormonism.
The expression of marriage is paramount to the identity of Christianity, this is not a secondary issue. Either John Henry Smith's life is exemplary or Mormonism is false, and the revelation of Christ, as the bride groom, informs us that the age of the patriarchs, and the permission for multiple wives has ended, as also expressed by Christ himself to the divorce happy Pharisees in Mark 10:2-8:
Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?” “What did Moses command you?” he replied. They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.” “It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied. “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.’
Two become one. The expression of marriage is paramount to the Christian identity and manifestly different in the life of the prophet of Mormonism.
The Book of Mormon is not added to Protestantism; we reject Protestantism entirely. A core claim of ours is that Christianity had lost its way through apostasy, in spite of the well-meaning efforts of reformers such as Luther and Calvin, and that a wholesale restoration was necessary.
Likewise, parts of the Bible had been lost through corruption and with them key parts of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Therefore, new revelation was required to restore these truths in preparation for the End Times. This is why God inspired the creation of the Book of Mormon - a project which started around 600 BC, by the way.
The great patriarchs were all polygamists. Were they not holy men? Did they not practice it before the advent of the Law of Moses? Therefore, the idea of polygamy under God's direction is not in and of itself evil. We no longer practice it because God directed us to stop.
Frankly, I don't fully understand the reasons behind polygamy, other than what the Lord Himself told Jacob in the Book of Mormon (Jacob 2):
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
So I don't pretend to understand the apparent contradiction. But it's alright, I know that Jesus is my Savior and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints led me to Him. All other understanding will come in time. But He does say that He will command polygamy from time to time if it is His purpose to "raise up seed." This explains why He authorized it for the patriarchs, and I can only likewise assume that it was the Lord's will to build up the early Church quickly in order to advance His purposes.
My question is, my misnomer aside, why, centuries after Christ, centuries of a monogamous marriage why reintroduce the time of the patriarchs?
This is a matter of eternal salvation. And marriage is intrinsic to the Christian (read post-patriarchal) identity. If the founder of Mormonism got polygamy wrong, that is not inconsequential. Is that not fair? Marriage expresses the absolute truth of God's desire for his creature, as Christ is the bride groom to his church.
Anyways, I don't mean any rudeness. I wrote my response very late and I apologize if I am coming across as rude to you personally.
I will review my Mormon history so I can speak more accurately on the matter.
Well, like I said I don't understand polygamy fully. I think I would personally have a very hard time living it. But when God commands, you obey.
The best explanation I can offer is the one above in Jacob 2:30. Other more erudite members may be able to do better.
If you read the contemporary histories, you find that Joseph himself had a terrible time accepting the commandment. He did NOT like the idea. He reports that he had to be commanded four separate times over several years. In the end, he records, the Lord finally sent an angel with an ultimatum - accept the commandment or the angel was commanded to slay him.
A test of faith? Abraham was commanded to kill his son. A means to "raise seed" in preparation for the Lord's kingdom? The House of Israel's influence and promises spread across the globe and have reverberated throughout history. I don't know the purpose of the commandment. But I reiterate that I know Jesus is my Savior and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints led me to Him. That faith in the Savior is my guide star and demonstrates to me that the Church cannot be evil, for no evil thing leads to Christ. All other understanding will come in time.
I guess my only point is that God's ways are higher than our ways, and sometimes we're expected to obey without understanding.
Bill Schnoebelen has a lot of lectures about his time in the Mormon church. He describes it as being a Masonic Luciferian organization. Take it with a grain of salt though.
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15894090? ago
They are luciferian.
Mormons they aren’t. Please don’t spead misinformation. Mormons are very loving and peaceful.
The Romneys will rot in hell.
15894175? ago
High level Mormons are Luciferian, of course the actual Christians who fall for the nicer aspects of Mormonism don't do the research into the real history of how the cult was created. Their prophet was an evil piece of shit who compulsively lied, cheated, and stealed. A cult like that obviously attracts psychopaths hungry for power.
15895185? ago
This is true, most people don't realize that Mormonism is setup like a masonic sect, the higher up you go, the more "theology" you get revealed to you.
The very fact that Mormonism added to the KJB when that is explicitly warned against in Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.
Scripture is closed. Mormonism added to it.
15900002? ago
I'm not a biblical scholar but when "The Book of Revelation" was written the Bible hadn't been compiled into a single book and The Bible has had books added to and subtracted from ' The Apocryphal Texts" as well so the Bible has been altered plenty of times!
15900277? ago
It has and each of those decisions should be scrutinized. Some books were omitted in KJB, were any of them significant? It matters even if it is impossible to ever know the exact intent of God for holy scripture. Even the words chosen from the original Greek should be scrutinized, if for no other reason than to learn about how a translation can shape an understanding.
15900324? ago
Agreed! The only thing I was pointing out was that the Book of Revelation was a separate book when the oft quoted scripture was written!
15896445? ago
Revelation 22:18 refers to modifications to Revelation. This is proven by the fact that John wrote more of the Bible AFTER he wrote Revelation, and also by the fact that the Bible didn't exist when Revelation was written as it was compiled many years later.
Now that this misconception is cleared up, I challenge you to point to where God has ever said He's done speaking to His children.
15898053? ago
Reread what you just wrote.
After John wrote revelation, an angel would appear to another person at a much later date and cause him to add to a book that was itself a politically motivated form of the scripture (King Henry VIII wanted his divorce)?
Not only is the book of Mormon added to Revelation, it is added to Protestantism itself, and the whims of John Henry Smith and King Henry VIII.
As KJB says, by their fruits you shall no them. Well, people reject polygamy but the founder of Mormonism took wives. Now compare his life to that of John the prophet of Revelation, who witnessed the crucifixion even as the others fled.
Divinely revealed text is not a simply a matter of God talking, it is the living word, it is part of God himself. The consequences of getting this wrong are too great to shrug of the strangeness of John Henry Smith's account of his private revelation or his subsequent life of polygamy which is no longer practiced by most of Mormonism.
The expression of marriage is paramount to the identity of Christianity, this is not a secondary issue. Either John Henry Smith's life is exemplary or Mormonism is false, and the revelation of Christ, as the bride groom, informs us that the age of the patriarchs, and the permission for multiple wives has ended, as also expressed by Christ himself to the divorce happy Pharisees in Mark 10:2-8:
Two become one. The expression of marriage is paramount to the Christian identity and manifestly different in the life of the prophet of Mormonism.
15898142? ago
The Book of Mormon is not added to Protestantism; we reject Protestantism entirely. A core claim of ours is that Christianity had lost its way through apostasy, in spite of the well-meaning efforts of reformers such as Luther and Calvin, and that a wholesale restoration was necessary.
Likewise, parts of the Bible had been lost through corruption and with them key parts of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Therefore, new revelation was required to restore these truths in preparation for the End Times. This is why God inspired the creation of the Book of Mormon - a project which started around 600 BC, by the way.
The great patriarchs were all polygamists. Were they not holy men? Did they not practice it before the advent of the Law of Moses? Therefore, the idea of polygamy under God's direction is not in and of itself evil. We no longer practice it because God directed us to stop.
Frankly, I don't fully understand the reasons behind polygamy, other than what the Lord Himself told Jacob in the Book of Mormon (Jacob 2):
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
So I don't pretend to understand the apparent contradiction. But it's alright, I know that Jesus is my Savior and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints led me to Him. All other understanding will come in time. But He does say that He will command polygamy from time to time if it is His purpose to "raise up seed." This explains why He authorized it for the patriarchs, and I can only likewise assume that it was the Lord's will to build up the early Church quickly in order to advance His purposes.
Who is this John Henry Smith of whom you speak?
15900228? ago
True, that should read Joseph Smith. John Henry Smith came later. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_Smith
My question is, my misnomer aside, why, centuries after Christ, centuries of a monogamous marriage why reintroduce the time of the patriarchs?
This is a matter of eternal salvation. And marriage is intrinsic to the Christian (read post-patriarchal) identity. If the founder of Mormonism got polygamy wrong, that is not inconsequential. Is that not fair? Marriage expresses the absolute truth of God's desire for his creature, as Christ is the bride groom to his church.
Anyways, I don't mean any rudeness. I wrote my response very late and I apologize if I am coming across as rude to you personally.
I will review my Mormon history so I can speak more accurately on the matter.
Peace
15903412? ago
Well, like I said I don't understand polygamy fully. I think I would personally have a very hard time living it. But when God commands, you obey.
The best explanation I can offer is the one above in Jacob 2:30. Other more erudite members may be able to do better.
If you read the contemporary histories, you find that Joseph himself had a terrible time accepting the commandment. He did NOT like the idea. He reports that he had to be commanded four separate times over several years. In the end, he records, the Lord finally sent an angel with an ultimatum - accept the commandment or the angel was commanded to slay him.
A test of faith? Abraham was commanded to kill his son. A means to "raise seed" in preparation for the Lord's kingdom? The House of Israel's influence and promises spread across the globe and have reverberated throughout history. I don't know the purpose of the commandment. But I reiterate that I know Jesus is my Savior and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints led me to Him. That faith in the Savior is my guide star and demonstrates to me that the Church cannot be evil, for no evil thing leads to Christ. All other understanding will come in time.
I guess my only point is that God's ways are higher than our ways, and sometimes we're expected to obey without understanding.
No rudeness was perceived. God bless!
15895461? ago
Bill Schnoebelen has a lot of lectures about his time in the Mormon church. He describes it as being a Masonic Luciferian organization. Take it with a grain of salt though.
15896465? ago
A dumptruck-sized block of salt would be necessary. The whole video is a string of lies and half-truths.
Going to an anti-Mormon for the truth about us is like going to the MSM for the truth about Trump.