Having a discussion with me. No process nor dialogue has started yet man. Look, I gave you my opinion from what I read on your responses. If you think is far off or is pretty shitty, well that is your opinion. Right now I am simply trying to find the users that are willing to sit down and talk.

You have a good insight on the problems Mods face hence I think you are needed also. So you can consider all our discussion the mere draft of what needs to be done. We need all to sit down and talk, that should be on a different post man.

That is one wordy SOB.

He thinks words = IQ

funny shit going on in this sub. Laugh-a-minute.

He was putting words in my mouth and making as if I am advocating for bans without due process. I never said any such thing, and stating that I did is dishonest.

So stay out the subverse bans where rules are broken, why does a bureaucracy of goats have to hobble over and chime in? People talk about the 'hands off' approach. Having protect voat goats and their alts milling around complaining because people broke the rules and were banned, but should they stay banned? Did the Mod get too emotional? Do the subscribers really just deserve what they get because they don't vote properly? FFS keep that shit here, it's almost worse than the trolling.

We don’t mess with subs bans where rules are broken. We put our foot down on those that are not justifiable bans. If you don’t help your Mods, you are not adding value nor strength to your sub. You are diminishing it. If you can’t understand that I can’t help you further. And it seems that is an impasse we have reached. Regarding the hypothetical of the alts – bring me proof and I will stand with you. If not I am not engaging.

I appreciate you have the best interests at heart and I don't know all the details of what you have done, but overall in regards to GA, protect voat gets an F in my book. Fights haven't stopped on behalf of the shitposting trolls have they? 2 mods leaving have not satisfied them because that is what they like to do. And protect voat is feckless about dealing with them.

I was at the beginning when QVR moved here that fought for you guys to join forces and not be separated. That was lost fight but I am proud of it. @Crensch can vouch for me on there, he knows I am true in my words even if right now he is pissed at me for posting the truth about the so called doxxing of srayzie. And that is just one example of many. I may have not been as invested on your community because I am not a follower of it but I strongly believe in your right to be here. So there is that. Shitposts and trolls will never stop. You need to understand that. They won’t. You need to face them. Not dodge them. And by face them is not engaging them with responses. But by facing that truth and downvote and move on. And regard the posts that do not respect the rules of the sub, they can be deleted and if the offenses continue then the users can be banned. To be honest I agree with that. But no ban should be done because of a comment unless is illegal under the law and the same goes for its deletion. I am sorry that you feel like that on PV. To be honest that is one of the subs that stood on beside of GA to help you guys out when QVR wanted to infiltrate you and also to assist srayzie on her harassment. Could have we done better. For sure. But that is why we need to start a new and work together.

You are sadly mistaken. If I thought voat wasn't worthwhile I would have left right? Why is discussing issues that oppose malignant shitposting activity considered 'dueling' but when the said harassment and sabotage of subverses goes on it's just 'free speech'?

Hey don’t get me wrong, I took your comment “Is a joke” at face value. If that was a mistake I am sorry.

Regarding up/down votes. You must be aware that a some of the shitposting trolls seek to get banned right? Downvoting them becomes in essence a form of feeding them. I've yet to see this wise council take up deliberations on how that affects the members. When I realized it I stopped downvoting them, until @crensch took over and it was clear that yes, there for once could be consequences for the trolls who had up until then relied on hiding behind the apron of protect voat to get unbanned or 'ignored'.

I don’t disagree for banning users when they break subverse rules. That is up to the subverse how they want to handle their rules. So that council you are referring to would be one that has to be accorded by the members of that subverse. Nonetheless you can’t ban a user for posting a comment you don’t like. Nor delete his comment because you don’t like either. @Crensch help creating that Voat policy more than 3 years ago. So what you are praising here is just a betrayal of his believes at convenience of “defeating his enemies”. Cause is corrupted now. Bravo! I agree that giving attention to the trolls feeds them, so why not downvote and move on? You really think you are that desired as a community to bug that they will keep posting on and on and on because you downvote only or because you ignore them also? Is that really hard for you to see? For example, if I decided to not continue with this conversation and just moved on, then that is it. You won’t keep talking to yourself and probably will feel some type of arrogant realization that “I won the debate”. The only reason I keep reasoning with you is because I agree with you that there are voids and I know this is an important discussion that needs to be spoken. We need to work together, not against each other and point fingers at each other when we can work this out. This is my view. But one thing is unnegotiable – we don’t compromise on Free Speech. Period.

Interesting way to describe that.

What, that we remain true to ourselves by not compromising the main goal here that is Free Speech? Thanks, I mean I know it comes from a sarcastic view of yours trying to accommodate to your previous statement but you don’t realize that it is in fact a good way to describe the reason why we are all here at Voat.

Freedom of speech and right to freely assemble do have some crossover. In voat I would consider that the right to assemble within subverses and have a reasonable expectation that NPCs aren't stomping on the sub because they don't want people to speak or to be heard. You must be aware of the bias within Protect Voat against the existence of GA and Q related discussions. I don't believe the protect voat community cares when subs are overrun with brigades with the purpose of sabotaging the sub. I would bet that a good number of members of protect voat engaged in this using alts. How can they claim to represent the good of 'community' when they appear to reserve the right to act hypocritically? Choosing favorites when it comes down to it.

I agree that is up to each subverse to define their rules but Comment deletion and banning because you don’t like what they said is not amongst those. That is against Free Speech and you are engaging in a Twitter MO which is quite frowned upon here at Voat. Crensch knows this. I know he is just venting his frustration. But not in a healthy way I might add. Well Let me see, @bopper is a mod on PV, so is @argosciv, @Sandhog they all like Q. Myself I don’t follow Q though I find your subs publications interesting I don’t trust it but you have never saw me slandering the Q movement. I have always maintained an opened mind to your movement. But my faith remains where it must, Jesus Christ. So I don’t know of what bias are you talking about. If anything there is more risk of the bias being in favor of the GA subverse than anything else. We don’t want your sub to die, we don’t want you guys to go. I mean some at Voat may, but that is not up to them to decide. That is up to you whether you keep the sub running and yourselves here at Voat. I work as a mere middle man to avoid conflict as much as we can, but can we prevent all conflicts? No. We try to deal with them accordingly. And you betting on the alts matter is jumping into a hypothetical that I am not going to engage. Bring me proof of that and I will stand with you. I don’t like the use of alts. Period. I don’t like dishonest behavior. That is why so many hate me. I am not hypocrite that they can work on. I have no prize. I only put Jesus before my decisions and opinions. Even if they are more mocked at than anything.

I can review them and tell you. But I imagine if it were so important a point for you, you would examine the rules and posts yourself. You just assume no rules were violated. Anytime a ban happens to a troll they squeal and protect voat jumps. When members of the sub complain about trolls, it's just 'moral indignation' or 'go make more rules that we will disregard if you try to enforce them'

It was important for me. That is why I review the comments deleted and the people that got banned. None broke any rule of posting nor anything like that. I for example defended the ban that Zyklon B got for his bullshit and coward move to encourage a brigading effort against your sub and posting porn. So there is that. I was there calling him out. Look at all the history if you are going to state something. It is up to the members of the sub to understand that they don’t get to censor no one’s speech as they didn’t want theirs censored either. That is what it takes when you marry to the idea of Free Speech. If no illegal behavior took place then no deletion must happen and no ban must happen unless that a post rule was broken after a warning or an illegal behavior took place. But none did. This is why I agree with bopper’s post. Is up to you to engage on your community. If you spot a chill you downvote it and move on. Don’t feed it with replies. You guys were not doing that you were simply crying like a bunch of fags “daddy mod do something”. No, engage, it is your sub, not the mods’.

PART 1 because it is a long reply.

Well if you checked my profile and post history you would know that I am against alts and have argued that many times. For everyone. Using alts it just opens the door to dishonest behavior.

So I am glad to see that we are reaching to some common ground here.

Not compromising who you are and what you fought for even in defeat.

Jesus thought me that.

I know but should we then make our decisions on what we thought he was trying to say?

Are we mind readers also?

Zyklon_b is a faggot and as I read before on another comment he should be ostracised for all the things he has done.

But I can't compromise my objectivity for hypothetical assumptions.

Again I know I come across as highly disappointing for you and many others. But I need to remain true to my self and my faith. I can't support false narratives that could compromise Voat in a whole and if for that I will be hated then so be it.

The Lord knows that I act only in the best interest of the site.