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UltronWasRight ago

Wow. I'm at a loss for words. As an outsider and a lurker, this has made it very clear to me I would never be welcome here if I felt strongly pro-Q or pro-Trump, because the first time I said something you disagreed with I would be shut down and removed from the dialogue. I've lurked GA, tga, and QRV since I've created my account. This entire situation has very bad optics all-around, and your responses make you appear very high-strung. Take a breath, it will be OK.

MolochHunter ago

hey, congratulations on making your second only ever comment

Voatering4life ago

Who the fuck cares? He isn’t tearing anyone down. These are legitimate thoughts that many people share...he isn’t shilling and if he was, brigade him (or ignore or slide whichever). Voat really is starting to circle the drain as an OP before me has stated...pull it together folks.

MolochHunter ago

ur relatively new around here aintcha?

DickTick ago

This shit is crazy... What in the hell have I been missing?

MolochHunter ago

if you want to go into the rabbithole of Voat subversion, drill into the accounts of guardians like @argosciv or @MadWorld

argosciv ago

Wait what?

MolochHunter ago

he doesnt believe the extent of the co-ordination of shill attacks, i'm telling him if he sees your work he'll get the picture

argosciv ago

Just to clarify, you're not saying MW and I are subversive?

MolochHunter ago

no dude thats why i called you guardians

argosciv ago

Ah, righto. The wording on both replies threw me a bit lol. "Guardians" and "work" could be misinterpreted as meaning the opposite of what you intended.

As for not believing the extent of co-ordination of shill attacks... I'm pretty sure DT has been around long enough to have picked up a thing or two, but sometimes people haven't quite taken the time to consider what can be done. Here's a little tip for anyone reading this:

  • Ask yourself "If I wanted to be subversive, what could/would I do to undermine or manipulate people?"
  • If you can think of it now, as a lay person with no malicious intent, you can bet your arse that someone trained and/or paid to plot subversion thought of it before you and may already be enacting it.

In other words, put yourself in the shoes of a manipulator in order to run all possible scenarios through your head.

thewordis ago

Safe to say these guys are counter psyop only because consistency. If you are taking flak you are over the target.

Voatering4life ago

I have read for long enough to know sometimes I am watching a passing match that does not accomplish the goal of free speech.

MolochHunter ago

what ive learnt in my time here dealing with co-ordinated attacks by professional shills & sleeper accounts that'speing to life' to defend some clear and present assholery is that Freedom of Speech is one Contitutional Right that can be misused to deny people another Constitutional Right - Right to Peaceable Assembly

and that therefore it is something you cant pursue as an Absolute; its something that much be held in Balance against other Rights

MeetGeorgeJetson ago

Good point. Its like having "virtual Antifa" disrupting a meeting of truth seekers.

Voatering4life ago

So are you saying that the thread was an unpeaceable assembly? And that peaceable is a higher standard than ‘free’? If your answer is yes, I did not see unpeaceable but I also did not get all the way through the comments...

This is a serious question as I am starting to understand your position.

MolochHunter ago

was that thread in and of itself a breach of peaceable assembly? No. But the intention and the aggregate effect of this shill operation is

its like when women want to hold a meeting in a public library about the loss of their bathrooms and sports to transgender freaks, and the transactivists bash on the windows and yell abuse at any of the women entering or leaving the meeting

Voat has free speech. You can go make a Q sub yourself that tolerates any level of anti-Qery

we started out that way. We decided after a moderator got doxxed with death threats and rape threats against her children, and gay porn spam and a whole bunch of other shit, that we reserve the right to kick people acting disruptively out

Voatering4life ago

Given- I didn’t get to all the post/responses but I did not see the level of shillery you mention. Maybe the original 2 rich OP’s were fake but I did not see anything close to disruptive.

Crensch ago

That's because you haven't been swimming in what they're capable of for the past two years.

Nearly every username that agreed with the op and bashed Q was not a Great Awakening user or a q follower at any point. They were account specifically designed to be activated to cast shade whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Voatering4life ago

Well...we can have opposing views. Manufactured consensus is The Repbublics’ MO (not talking bout the 2 political groups here) it is a fact of life. I will continue to rise above it with my 10,000 foot view.

Voatering4life ago

Well. You gotta do what is you. And I gotta do what is me. Maybe Johnny boy was like that in the past but I don’t see it at this time. I will continue to push for truth and it is my personal belief that the naysayers (opposition-whatever) will be drowned out by reasonable discourse.

Crensch ago

Again. There is no history between me and Johnny or suggesting that this is normal with him.

You think naysayers will be drowned out by reasonable discourse on a forum without a moderator that will crack down on Bots and sock puppets?

Do you know what manufacturing consensus is? It works.