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UltronWasRight ago

Wow. I'm at a loss for words. As an outsider and a lurker, this has made it very clear to me I would never be welcome here if I felt strongly pro-Q or pro-Trump, because the first time I said something you disagreed with I would be shut down and removed from the dialogue. I've lurked GA, tga, and QRV since I've created my account. This entire situation has very bad optics all-around, and your responses make you appear very high-strung. Take a breath, it will be OK.

MolochHunter ago

hey, congratulations on making your second only ever comment

PacaGoat ago

Ya struck their last wittle nerve. 🙄

Voatering4life ago

Who the fuck cares? He isn’t tearing anyone down. These are legitimate thoughts that many people share...he isn’t shilling and if he was, brigade him (or ignore or slide whichever). Voat really is starting to circle the drain as an OP before me has stated...pull it together folks.

MolochHunter ago

ur relatively new around here aintcha?

DickTick ago

This shit is crazy... What in the hell have I been missing?

MolochHunter ago

if you want to go into the rabbithole of Voat subversion, drill into the accounts of guardians like @argosciv or @MadWorld

argosciv ago

Wait what?

MolochHunter ago

he doesnt believe the extent of the co-ordination of shill attacks, i'm telling him if he sees your work he'll get the picture

argosciv ago

Just to clarify, you're not saying MW and I are subversive?

MolochHunter ago

no dude thats why i called you guardians

argosciv ago

Ah, righto. The wording on both replies threw me a bit lol. "Guardians" and "work" could be misinterpreted as meaning the opposite of what you intended.

As for not believing the extent of co-ordination of shill attacks... I'm pretty sure DT has been around long enough to have picked up a thing or two, but sometimes people haven't quite taken the time to consider what can be done. Here's a little tip for anyone reading this:

  • Ask yourself "If I wanted to be subversive, what could/would I do to undermine or manipulate people?"
  • If you can think of it now, as a lay person with no malicious intent, you can bet your arse that someone trained and/or paid to plot subversion thought of it before you and may already be enacting it.

In other words, put yourself in the shoes of a manipulator in order to run all possible scenarios through your head.

thewordis ago

Safe to say these guys are counter psyop only because consistency. If you are taking flak you are over the target.

Voatering4life ago

I have read for long enough to know sometimes I am watching a passing match that does not accomplish the goal of free speech.

MolochHunter ago

what ive learnt in my time here dealing with co-ordinated attacks by professional shills & sleeper accounts that'speing to life' to defend some clear and present assholery is that Freedom of Speech is one Contitutional Right that can be misused to deny people another Constitutional Right - Right to Peaceable Assembly

and that therefore it is something you cant pursue as an Absolute; its something that much be held in Balance against other Rights

MeetGeorgeJetson ago

Good point. Its like having "virtual Antifa" disrupting a meeting of truth seekers.

Voatering4life ago

So are you saying that the thread was an unpeaceable assembly? And that peaceable is a higher standard than ‘free’? If your answer is yes, I did not see unpeaceable but I also did not get all the way through the comments...

This is a serious question as I am starting to understand your position.

MolochHunter ago

was that thread in and of itself a breach of peaceable assembly? No. But the intention and the aggregate effect of this shill operation is

its like when women want to hold a meeting in a public library about the loss of their bathrooms and sports to transgender freaks, and the transactivists bash on the windows and yell abuse at any of the women entering or leaving the meeting

Voat has free speech. You can go make a Q sub yourself that tolerates any level of anti-Qery

we started out that way. We decided after a moderator got doxxed with death threats and rape threats against her children, and gay porn spam and a whole bunch of other shit, that we reserve the right to kick people acting disruptively out

Voatering4life ago

Given- I didn’t get to all the post/responses but I did not see the level of shillery you mention. Maybe the original 2 rich OP’s were fake but I did not see anything close to disruptive.

Crensch ago

That's because you haven't been swimming in what they're capable of for the past two years.

Nearly every username that agreed with the op and bashed Q was not a Great Awakening user or a q follower at any point. They were account specifically designed to be activated to cast shade whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Voatering4life ago

Well...we can have opposing views. Manufactured consensus is The Repbublics’ MO (not talking bout the 2 political groups here) it is a fact of life. I will continue to rise above it with my 10,000 foot view.

Voatering4life ago

Well. You gotta do what is you. And I gotta do what is me. Maybe Johnny boy was like that in the past but I don’t see it at this time. I will continue to push for truth and it is my personal belief that the naysayers (opposition-whatever) will be drowned out by reasonable discourse.

Crensch ago

Again. There is no history between me and Johnny or suggesting that this is normal with him.

You think naysayers will be drowned out by reasonable discourse on a forum without a moderator that will crack down on Bots and sock puppets?

Do you know what manufacturing consensus is? It works.

Grunge ago

we've only been waiting multiple YEARS while our country burns, how could anyone be frustrated and not completely trust the plan and rule out the possibility that this is a psy-op (the bad kind of psy-op). I'm convinced that everyone on QRV would welcome the new world order saying it must be part of the plan. Excuses like "you see, normies have to experience communism and witness many wrong-thinkers being executed to wake up!" and I've also heard this weekend a lot that the plan is that when we all die, we go to heaven and that's the plan while evil is allowed to rule the earth.

I'm fucking impatient, yes, by nature. I don't give a shit about the cheerleading posts and have said that many times over the past months. We get it, we know, don't care, need results. The country is falling apart and our rights are being taken away once more. how is this good for us? I get called a shill constantly and anytime I get impatient or disagree, I get told I'm a shill and to get the fuck out. no, I'm invested in this and I'm going to continue reading it until it's over, so fuck you.

FractalizingIron ago

we've only been waiting multiple YEARS while our country burns

Hmmmmm....

A few suggestions. Make of them what you will.

Firstly, expand your thinking. It's not just YOUR country that's at stake here. Yes, America is under attack, but realize that America is and has been the BEST country in the world. So where does that leave the rest of humanity? The swamp is at least being exposed in YOUR country. In mine, the deep state is still very entrenched. So, expand your perspective. This is humanity facing the situation, not just YOUR country.

  1. "only been waiting" - maybe you haven't just been waiting. Maybe you have been active, working doing things to help this all along, wake up others, stepping up and taking responsibility in concrete ways. If so, then you've not just 'only been waiting'.

But if not, well, waiting is NOT really a very good approach. Everyone has their role to play, if they are willing to step up.

IN the end, this is a spiritual battle. There will be NO material victory unless the spiritual battle is engaged and won. That's how it goes. And unless you take stock of that truth, you're unlikely to be productive.

Not everyone has to be right, and not everyone has to be on the same page. So, unless you find some filter (called faith) that allows you to sift between the garbage and the value, the wheat and the chaff, on a daily and personal basis, it's unlikely you'll be productive.

Needs results? What results are you creating:

In yourself?

In your own family?

In your own lineage?

In your own community?

Even if the Cabal all came tumbling down tomorrow, if you are not getting results in these areas, then sadly, it will mean little for you. Sure, life will be easier, but is that the goal of life?

I do sympathise with some of the complaints you've listed here, but it also seems to me that they are triggering you, and that you are reacting, and you seem to be getting caught and stuck on them.

That's gonna shape your ability to see beyond the complaints, to feel the inner strength, determination, hope and inspiration that actually makes you a valuable and productive member, not just of the Great Awakening, but of the human race.

If you get caught on the stuff up above, (what you've listed), then working on your own self - observing your reactions, really working hard on changing yourself into someone who these things DO NOT IMPACT, but which in fact become fodder and fuel driving you forward, working in that department is probably the MOST rewarding thing you can do.

No need to wait.

Just a caveat in conclusion. Accept that I've made some presumptions that may disagree with your perspective on things. I can only go on what I read, and no doubts that's probably about 5% of the whole story, so just take what I write in stride. Think about it. I'm only sharing that because I've found all this to be true in my own life, my own approach.

Yes, it's tough. And yes, it's sometimes depressing. That's life. but one's ability to digest difficulty and negative emotions as the arise is, in my experience, crucial. Many people find that ability in a relationship with God, but on onelevel, its not about that. Faith in SOMETHING is important. Without faith, without vision, it's hard to overcome the veritable tsunami of negative (evil) out there. Which is why, in essence, this is a spiritual battle.

And, for each shallow or superficial thinker out there, there are very real and tangible frens.

Good luck.

Crensch ago

1 month old account with almost no interaction with the community.

@Johnny_Ninja

icantcare ago

Shit like above is really helping to red pill people (not) if it's one day or two years so what.

Crensch ago

wps9d0 ago

Does my account meet your age and interaction requirements?

Didn’t see it in the rules list.

Asking for a fren.

MolochHunter ago

if your account is very fresh and you have few comments and those comments show antipathy for this subverse

then maybe your account doesnt meet the requirements of being here in Good Faith and dont be surprised to see your ass banned if none of your contributions are positive and constructive

is that clear enough for you?

wps9d0 ago

Remember, newbies come here. They may not understand things yet. Be clear. Many are not familiar with Chan culture or how to understand Q posts yet. Be helpful. We’re on the same team! WWG1WGA 🇺🇸

Johnny_Ninja ago

It is kind of like that. I'm frustrated with Q and said as much yesterday.

To be fair, some folks engaged me in discussion, which is fine.

But many others take the angle of "if you disagree at any point get the fuck out."

This is coming from people who claim to be pro 1 st amendment and are constantly telling everyone to "think for yourself."

What they really mean is "think like me and if you don't agree then fuck you."

I don't mean that about everyone here either, to be sure.

But some people have a hard time differentiating between an actual shill and someone who's on your side but is fed up with none of the assholes being arrested.

PGLiterati2 ago

Fair enough, but my comment to you--which was innocuous enough was downvoated four points. I don't care--but the comment was pro Q, and essentially pro-American. So clearly someone was taking advantage of your post to shill like crazy.

icantcare ago

My question to you and a lot of people on this site is why are you so but hurt over down votes it's an opinion get over your self.

PGLiterati2 ago

Since you ask, I will answer. As I said, I don't really care. But the sort of comment I made would not normally render downvoats--likely not upvoats either. So to be clear--my point is that it is indicative of trolling.

Voatering4life ago

Exactly-I enjoyed reading your post and I didn’t think you were pissing on anyone’s fire. I mean this level of fuckery is what I would expect from the opposition-not a freespeecher.

Crensch ago

The username above you has ONE other comment.

Kindly start paying attention to these things.

TavistockInstitute ago

The username above you has ONE other comment.

Why does this matter at all? Guy even said outright he's a lurker. Your paranoid will be the end of everything you seek to build.

Crensch ago

Why does this matter at all?

User above doesn't believe shills exist.

Guy even said outright he's a lurker.

Hey guise, totally been here forever and a lurker on this aged shill account. NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

Your paranoid will be the end of everything you seek to build.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Go fish around with the SBBH pedophiles and faggots. You obviously know nothing.

RubbedOut ago

The biggest danger to the Q movement are often the actions of it's self-proclaimed leaders.

GoodGodKirk ago

Jokes on you, if you're following a Q leader, you may as well watch cnn.

Emrglobalmarkets ago

100%

Voatering4life ago

That was also one of the most commented threads-I enjoyed reading and posting. Probably part of the ‘problem’