The Search and Seizure Warrent states that Granite Intelligence had it from the beginning and it was documented as being located and confiscated by the FBI between September 23 and October 3rd 2016...
Believe me, I understand what this new information does to the alt media narrative we've been falling back on since Prince and True Pundit released the article... we can make hypothesis after hypothesis all day long, but the story that NYPD saw some abhorrent child porn snuff and leaked it to the press is not provable and relies on the quote that an unnamed NYPD CHIEF saw images to make him throw up.
Maybe the NYPD could have possibly had the laptop before it even went to Granite Intelligence, that would make more sense, but the time line doesn't match up with the storyline and there is currently not one NYPD warrant, police complaint or documentable proof that NYPD soley had this case at anytime prior or after FBI confiscation.
Did they help with interviews, research, and man power under the control of the FBI investigation, absolutely... did they have the laptop availabe for review while under the control of FBI...according to the ESI agreement through the courts and detailed in the search and seizure warrant, yes. But it was wiped guys... if there was child porn, it's gone and was not used to prosecute him. Granite Intelligence has the same security firm run by a man, David McDonnough, who worked with Kroll Security firm. Kroll and Black Cube helped Harvey Weinstein most likely get out of CP charges and only take the fall for sexual harrassment.
Google "James Oneil NYPD weiner laptop"... Nothing.
Google "William Bratton NYPD weiner laptop"... Nothing.
No quotes from either Police Cheif of the NYPD around that time in 2016. These stories, imho, are misreported, I don't trust unnamed, undocumentable sources, I feel bad, but we have court docs telling a different story with dates, times, names, and case numbers.
Thanks for adding this perspective, Honeybee_. As always, you rock. The more information we gather here and the more goat expertise we bring to bear on it, the better able we will be to discern what is really going on. 😎
Something smells really fishy to me about the recent push to completly discredit his laptop. At the very least there was enough on it to make Comey reopen the email investigation and whitewash it. I pray to God that someone has a copy of that laptop. At this point @honeybee is right, all the incriminating evidence is likely wiped off of it.
The SVU is NYPD and they're the ones who handle sex crimes.
How does the NYPD conduct an investigation on a sexting case without access to electronic devices?
Did they help with interviews, research, and man power under the control of the FBI investigation, absolutely... did they have the laptop availabe for review while under the control of FBI...according to the ESI agreement through the courts and detailed in the search and seizure warrant, yes. But it was wiped guys... if there was child porn, it's gone and was not used to prosecute him.
There was child porn on the computer, the feds admitted it. You're just biting on the respun news story.
"Mr. Kim praised and thanked the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Special Victims Division of the New York City Police Department for their outstanding work. The case is being handled by the Office’s General Crimes Unit."
"The Office prosecutes cases involving violations of federal laws, and represents the interests of the United States government and its agencies in criminal and civil matters."
The NYPD's SVU, is seprate from DOJ Federal Law Enforcement Scroll down to "General Crimes".
I agree, my point was Kim praised SVU and all the preliminary reports stated that SVU was doing an investigation too. So, him giving the head nod corroborates these reports..
NYPD detectives and the Manhattan DA’s office are also “looking into” allegations that Anthony Weiner engaged in a months-long sexting relationship with an underage girl, sources told The Post Thursday.
The NYPD’s Special Victims Unit is investigating the matter after a 15-year-old high-school student released a trove of sick texts and photos she allegedly received from the disgraced politician.
“We’re looking to see if a crime was committed in New York and if there’s a complainant,” an NYPD official said.
Disgraced former congressman Anthony Weiner is under federal and local investigation for allegedly engaging in a sexual relationship with an underage girl, CNN, ABC and CBS reported.
A law enforcement source confirmed the reports to The Huffington Post Thursday.
According to CNN, the office of U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara has subpoenaed the New York Democrat’s phone records. The FBI and New York Police Department are also reportedly investigating the charges.
A spokesman for the NYPD confirmed that Weiner was being investigated, but did not comment on the charges. The U.S. Attorney’s office declined to comment.
Now people are claiming NYPD SVU had nothing to do with it and it was all federal. My only point is that the warrant release doesn't prove NYPD never had the computer. So people like @Are_We_Sure claiming "The Weiner laptop story is DEAD. It will remain DEAD even if SVU did work on the case." are full of shit and pushing a narrative.
SVU is the TV show. SVD is the unit in the NYPD we are talking about. I've been making that mistake too. A few years after the show debuted the NYPD changed the name.
Google "James Oneil NYPD weiner laptop"... Nothing.
Google "William Bratton NYPD weiner laptop"... Nothing.
No quotes from either Police Chief of the NYPD around that time in 2016.
These men are not Police Chiefs. There are police commisioners. Chief is a high rank within the NYPD. There are about 15 chiefs. There's about another 15 Deputy Commissioners. Your point still stands because none of this people talked to the press about Weiner's laptop and all the things that were supposed to happen if Hillary wasn't indicted didn't happen either.
Your confusion about who is who is because there's not just a division between federal and local and another division between cops and prosecutors. There's four possible groups here
Local cops --NYPD
Local prosecutors --office of the Manhattan District Attorney or the DA
Federal cops --the FBI
Federal prosecutors --the office of the US Attorney for the Southern District of NY.
The reference to the Office’s General Crimes Unit is to the federal prosecutors, Assistant US Attorneys within the Southern District of NY. SVD is local cops. They are a division within the Detectives Bureau
The NYPD's SVU, is seprate from DOJ Federal Law Enforcement
yes, because they are local.
"General Crimes" are Federal agents.
No. General Crimes are prosectors, assitant US Attorneys not FBI.
did they have the laptop availabe for review while under the control of FBI...according to the ESI agreement through the courts and detailed in the search and seizure warrant, yes.
This is not a yes. It's a maybe. It looks like the warrant would apply, but that is only for the federal case. For the NYPD to use any info they would need their own warrant. And given that the FBI notice Clinton letters on the laptop pretty quickly, they may have kept it only in house. We simply don't know who saw what.
we've been falling back on since Prince and True Pundit released the article
There was child porn on the computer, the feds admitted it.
Have you ever used skype? Using skype does not equal creating child porn. If this is what you are relying on for you claim, this is not the FBI admitting anything.
I agree, my point was Kim praised SVU and all the preliminary reports stated that SVU was doing an investigation too. So, him giving the head nod corroborates these reports..
Kim praised SVU for help in the federal investigation. He did not corroborate anything about a local investigation. That could be open and active. That could open and dormant. That could be closed due to the federal case ending in a conviction.
The story was the NYPD got the laptop first and was horrified by what they saw and were all ready to indict dozens of people when the FBI swooped in and took the case and the laptop away from them. The NYPD didn't trust the FBI, so they copied the laptop before handing it over. Then they threatened the FBI and James Comey that the truth would come up if he didn't indict Hillary Clinton. That story is dead. Even honeybee sees that.
SVU is the TV show. SVD is the unit in the NYPD we are talking about. I've been making that mistake too. A few years after the show debuted the NYPD changed the name.
I didn't make it past honeybee because of this. Why would I read any further when you open up with some nitpicky bullshit like this? You even admit they were called SVU.
ALSO "OUTSIDE TECHINCAL EXPERTS UNDER GOVERNMENT CONTROL"...LEOS AGENTS ITS ALL RIGHT THERE A JOINT INVESTIGATION with even "outside" people AWS is a retard.
youllrememberme, you should crosspost this to v/pizzagate, just to persecute the shills. ;-) Are We Sure has been saying this never happened for a year.
This idea started on messageboards and twitter and then continued on the dozens of "news" sites that popped up recently. Then TruePundit put out a story purporting to quote an "anonymous NYPD chief" saying the laptop would put Hillary Clinton away for life and it turned his stomach and that the NYPD had the laptop and turned it over to the FBI.
The Trump campaign would go on to hype this story. Erik Prince (serving as an unofficial advisor to the Trump campaign) went on Trump campaign CEO's Steve Bannon's radio show and backed this story up claiming high level sources at 1 Police Plaza
The New York Times is out with a giant story James Comey over the past year. It covers the Clinton investigation, Loretta Lynch, Trump/Russia, Weiner. So here's what we can now reconfirm* the NY office of the FBI got the laptop, the NYPD is not mentioned whatsoever in the investigation.
This Weiner laptop bombshell was a false story put out to deceive you.
I'll repost my comment here from the Pizzagate post , shill that I am ;)
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How much fucking confirmation bias must you have for this?
22/9 Daily mail carries a story with a whole bunch of sexting data from THE GIRLS phone
Weiner panics, 23/9 gives his hardware to Granite
The warrant is issued on 26/9 . It does say 'any law enforcement officer' - so I take that to mean it is possible the NYPD did the raid on Granite, not FBI
BUT The NY Post and Washington Post put out stories on 30/9 saying FBI has the laptop, and there's Hillary emails on it
thats a 4 day window in which they have to 1) execute the raid 2) take it back to the NYPD cop shop 3) get authority to check its contents 4) surrender it to the FBI 5) FBI assesses its contents 6) report on that to the Media
i suppose its possible, just, but that's a very narrow time frame
but I keep coming back to this: We have no public statement DIRECTLY from NYPD corroborating Eric Prince's claim, and Eric is one dodgy motherfucker. Every other person who repeated the 'insurance file' claim is downstream from Eric Prince, no independent verification
Now, when the 'Steele Dossier' paid for by Hillary is the only sole piece of evidence of 'muh collusion' and Robert Mueller hasnt substantiated it from ANY OTHER INDEPENDENT source, I roll my eyes at those who still push the collusion narrative
applying the same standard of evidence, I roll my eyes at the 'insurance file' claims because we similarly have no independent verification of Eric Prince's claims, and we have very solid evidence showing that the window of opportunity for the NYPD AT BEST was very, very, narrow
NYPD SVU were looking into it because of what was disclosed to Daily Mail.
and the Victim was in NORTH CAROLINA - this means the NYPD may have been compromising the case if they looked into it because of their Jurisdiction Limitation - so it would have been wiser for them to leave it to the Feds anyway
Occams razor still tells us the greater likelihood that NYPD never had it
I'll repost my comment here from the Pizzagate post , shill that I am ;)
I don't think you are a shill, MH. I think it's the back-and-forth discussion on this subject that makes us a great source of truth-finding. Thank you for presenting your point of view.
Every other person who repeated the 'insurance file' claim is downstream from Eric Prince, no independent verification
Actually this claim started as anonymous comment on twitter and I'm almost certain it was a joke the autists and the outragists missed, It something like "I heard the emails were in a folder called Life Insurance"
Eric is one dodgy motherfucker.
And we now know he was working with the Trump campaign. If you look at his story or the TruePundit story today, there's only one way they make sense. It was political ratfucking. That terms goes back to watergate. Roger Stone got his start in politics as a ratfucker. Richard Nixon got the opponent he wanted in 1972 because he got a stronger candidate kicked out. Someone on his campaign sent a fake letter to the press claiming they heard him make racists comments against...wait for it....French Canadians in Maine.
Occams razor still tells us the greater likelihood that NYPD never had it
Absolutely true. Also read those stories today. It's every hope and dream of Hillary Clinton haters in one place. Weiner's laptop is the like Ark of the Covenant.
Also anyone on the NYPD who actually had this info and wanted to make a splash before the election would not leak it fringe media like TruePundit and Infowars, they would leak it to the NY Press who would go apeshit with it. Occam's Razor applies here too.
correct on 2 on 1 uhhh not entirely correct in terms of say a kid being nude or almost because they got hid with white phosphorus and had to shed clothes medical treatment etc but still sick fucks would jack to it. Salacious posing nudist stuff is child porn considering the tone context and use/intent of the marketing, a video showing birth and a naked baby isn't inherently wrong but these sick fucks market that shit to "to condition" people for it
I'm 100% correct on #1. In ALL states in the US, you can have pictures of naked kids on your computer provided they aren't in a seductive or sexual pose AND you don't take sexual pleasure in looking at them. In almost all of the states, the second part of that isn't in the law and doesn't matter. A couple states like Pennsylvania could arrest one person and not another for the exact same photo on their computer. The difference is which one takes sexual pleasure in it and who doesn't. But like I said, non-sexual nudes is legal (thus why websites of nudist camps are totally legal).
So, you didn't read my description above. I do this for a living. I know exactly what the fuck I'm talking about here. I literally JUST got done with a case specifically to this.
well you need to brush up on the law...its always been this way, hording pics of naked kids has been prosecuted with intent proven...its a disgusting habit. I provided the link if you happen to be a state that tries some weird "liberal case law" than congrats.
Read again what I wrote. What I said was, "Child nudity is not necessarily child pornography." You said I was wrong then repeated what I said. So let me write it again in a different way.
Sometimes pics of nude kids IS pr0n. Sometimes pics of nude kids is NOT pr0n.
Does that make it easier for you? I don't need to brush up on anything. I have done enough prosecution and defense on that specific point alone in multiple states I know exactly what I'm talking about. I even explained that point with examples. So either your not understanding what I wrote or... No, you're clearly not understanding what I wrote.
come on man you know what I said as well, its considered that depending on context intent. It varies state to state, not to busrt your bubble but generalizations are fine even though its a complex argument due to a myriad of state and federal definitons.
Which is exactly what I stated WAY before you commented that I was wrong. Seriously, look at my comments where I actually explain that state to state varies.
"Child nudity is not necessarily child pornography." I stated I was not in full agreements with the statement as is, with caveats and a more narrow description.
It can still be handled by the local police. County and State police have specialists that deal with kiddy pr0n. The only reason it would be turned over to the feds isn't because he's a federal employee but because it was either done on federally owned equipment, using federally owned services, or done on federal work time. And even it did, it'd still probably be handled by the state's attorney's office.
I probably should've went with "child porn, pay to play, SAP's and possibly snuff and cannibalism." The shit on that laptop would be a fed issue. It makes sense in my head, sorry for not being clear.
Honeybee_ ago
Federal Employee, Potential Classified Documents, never a legit quote from a named source... the SUV GCU is not the NYPD, it is District Attorney and Federal Prosecutions...
The Search and Seizure Warrent states that Granite Intelligence had it from the beginning and it was documented as being located and confiscated by the FBI between September 23 and October 3rd 2016...
Believe me, I understand what this new information does to the alt media narrative we've been falling back on since Prince and True Pundit released the article... we can make hypothesis after hypothesis all day long, but the story that NYPD saw some abhorrent child porn snuff and leaked it to the press is not provable and relies on the quote that an unnamed NYPD CHIEF saw images to make him throw up.
Maybe the NYPD could have possibly had the laptop before it even went to Granite Intelligence, that would make more sense, but the time line doesn't match up with the storyline and there is currently not one NYPD warrant, police complaint or documentable proof that NYPD soley had this case at anytime prior or after FBI confiscation.
Did they help with interviews, research, and man power under the control of the FBI investigation, absolutely... did they have the laptop availabe for review while under the control of FBI...according to the ESI agreement through the courts and detailed in the search and seizure warrant, yes. But it was wiped guys... if there was child porn, it's gone and was not used to prosecute him. Granite Intelligence has the same security firm run by a man, David McDonnough, who worked with Kroll Security firm. Kroll and Black Cube helped Harvey Weinstein most likely get out of CP charges and only take the fall for sexual harrassment.
Google "James Oneil NYPD weiner laptop"... Nothing.
Google "William Bratton NYPD weiner laptop"... Nothing.
No quotes from either Police Cheif of the NYPD around that time in 2016. These stories, imho, are misreported, I don't trust unnamed, undocumentable sources, I feel bad, but we have court docs telling a different story with dates, times, names, and case numbers.
"Sources" Say....
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/21/nypd-anthony-weiner-sexting-minor/
https://nypost.com/2016/09/22/nypd-investigating-weiners-sexting-relationship-with-teen/
"Court Documents" Say...
https://nypost.com/2018/05/17/search-warrant-for-weiners-electronic-devices-unsealed/
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kkeq4cl7agqh0x6/In-Re-Search-Warrant-issued-on-October-30-2016-for-access-to-email-messages-involving-Hillary-R-Clinton-located-on-the-Computer-of-Anthony-Weiner-and-Huma-Abedin.pdf?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w6pyobllukq71mz/IMG_20180518_115607.jpg?dl=0
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4465430-WEINER-Search-Warrant-2016.html#document/p2
nancy_drew ago
re-examine the Granite Intelligence Management Team:
http://graniteintelligence.com/management/jeffrey-j-mueller/ ------> fbi mueller relation? http://graniteintelligence.com/management/julie-block/ -------> giuliani appointee, intimately involved with nypd... http://graniteintelligence.com/management/david-mcdonough/ ------> mcdonough--related to the judge mcdonough handling the nxivm case?
Vindicator ago
Thanks for adding this perspective, Honeybee_. As always, you rock. The more information we gather here and the more goat expertise we bring to bear on it, the better able we will be to discern what is really going on. 😎
youllrememberme ago
Something smells really fishy to me about the recent push to completly discredit his laptop. At the very least there was enough on it to make Comey reopen the email investigation and whitewash it. I pray to God that someone has a copy of that laptop. At this point @honeybee is right, all the incriminating evidence is likely wiped off of it.
youllrememberme ago
The SVU is NYPD and they're the ones who handle sex crimes.
How does the NYPD conduct an investigation on a sexting case without access to electronic devices?
There was child porn on the computer, the feds admitted it. You're just biting on the respun news story.
[“During the latter two Skype sessions, on February 18 and 23, 2016, and in a Shapchat communication on March 9, the defendant used graphic and obscene language to ask the Minor Victim to display her naked body and touch herself, which she did.”](https://nypost.com/2017/09/20/weiner-convinced-teen-to-strip-fondle-herself-on-skype-feds/]
Why didn't they prosecute him for it? Elite privilege?
Honeybee_ ago
You wrote:
Yes, that is true, but in this case it seems they are seperate, its so confusing, I may be wrong, but go through this me...
The NYPD's SVU, is seprate from DOJ Federal Law Enforcement Scroll down to "General Crimes".
In this DOJ Press release it states:
"General Crimes" are Federal agents. Your article is referring NYPD's Special Victim's Unit, not DOJ Office of the District Attorney, Southern District of New York, General Crimes Division
youllrememberme ago
I agree, my point was Kim praised SVU and all the preliminary reports stated that SVU was doing an investigation too. So, him giving the head nod corroborates these reports..
NYPost
Huffpo/CNN
Now people are claiming NYPD SVU had nothing to do with it and it was all federal. My only point is that the warrant release doesn't prove NYPD never had the computer. So people like @Are_We_Sure claiming "The Weiner laptop story is DEAD. It will remain DEAD even if SVU did work on the case." are full of shit and pushing a narrative.
Are_we__sure ago
SVU is the TV show. SVD is the unit in the NYPD we are talking about. I've been making that mistake too. A few years after the show debuted the NYPD changed the name.
@honeybee
These men are not Police Chiefs. There are police commisioners. Chief is a high rank within the NYPD. There are about 15 chiefs. There's about another 15 Deputy Commissioners. Your point still stands because none of this people talked to the press about Weiner's laptop and all the things that were supposed to happen if Hillary wasn't indicted didn't happen either.
Your confusion about who is who is because there's not just a division between federal and local and another division between cops and prosecutors. There's four possible groups here
Local cops --NYPD
Local prosecutors --office of the Manhattan District Attorney or the DA
Federal cops --the FBI
Federal prosecutors --the office of the US Attorney for the Southern District of NY.
The reference to the Office’s General Crimes Unit is to the federal prosecutors, Assistant US Attorneys within the Southern District of NY. SVD is local cops. They are a division within the Detectives Bureau
yes, because they are local.
No. General Crimes are prosectors, assitant US Attorneys not FBI.
This is not a yes. It's a maybe. It looks like the warrant would apply, but that is only for the federal case. For the NYPD to use any info they would need their own warrant. And given that the FBI notice Clinton letters on the laptop pretty quickly, they may have kept it only in house. We simply don't know who saw what.
This fake story was in circulation before the True Pundit article. See this video from two days before the True Pundit story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=-5yAcG4JofU
Have you ever used skype? Using skype does not equal creating child porn. If this is what you are relying on for you claim, this is not the FBI admitting anything.
Kim praised SVU for help in the federal investigation. He did not corroborate anything about a local investigation. That could be open and active. That could open and dormant. That could be closed due to the federal case ending in a conviction.
The story was the NYPD got the laptop first and was horrified by what they saw and were all ready to indict dozens of people when the FBI swooped in and took the case and the laptop away from them. The NYPD didn't trust the FBI, so they copied the laptop before handing it over. Then they threatened the FBI and James Comey that the truth would come up if he didn't indict Hillary Clinton. That story is dead. Even honeybee sees that.
youllrememberme ago
I didn't make it past honeybee because of this. Why would I read any further when you open up with some nitpicky bullshit like this? You even admit they were called SVU.
urbanmoving ago
ALSO "OUTSIDE TECHINCAL EXPERTS UNDER GOVERNMENT CONTROL"...LEOS AGENTS ITS ALL RIGHT THERE A JOINT INVESTIGATION with even "outside" people AWS is a retard.
Vindicator ago
youllrememberme, you should crosspost this to v/pizzagate, just to persecute the shills. ;-) Are We Sure has been saying this never happened for a year.
Are_we__sure ago
And he remains right,
Here's some of what I said a year ago.
This Weiner laptop bombshell was a false story put out to deceive you.
This conclusion remains correct.
MolochHunter ago
I'll repost my comment here from the Pizzagate post , shill that I am ;)
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How much fucking confirmation bias must you have for this?
22/9 Daily mail carries a story with a whole bunch of sexting data from THE GIRLS phone
Weiner panics, 23/9 gives his hardware to Granite
The warrant is issued on 26/9 . It does say 'any law enforcement officer' - so I take that to mean it is possible the NYPD did the raid on Granite, not FBI
BUT The NY Post and Washington Post put out stories on 30/9 saying FBI has the laptop, and there's Hillary emails on it
thats a 4 day window in which they have to 1) execute the raid 2) take it back to the NYPD cop shop 3) get authority to check its contents 4) surrender it to the FBI 5) FBI assesses its contents 6) report on that to the Media
i suppose its possible, just, but that's a very narrow time frame
but I keep coming back to this: We have no public statement DIRECTLY from NYPD corroborating Eric Prince's claim, and Eric is one dodgy motherfucker. Every other person who repeated the 'insurance file' claim is downstream from Eric Prince, no independent verification
Now, when the 'Steele Dossier' paid for by Hillary is the only sole piece of evidence of 'muh collusion' and Robert Mueller hasnt substantiated it from ANY OTHER INDEPENDENT source, I roll my eyes at those who still push the collusion narrative
applying the same standard of evidence, I roll my eyes at the 'insurance file' claims because we similarly have no independent verification of Eric Prince's claims, and we have very solid evidence showing that the window of opportunity for the NYPD AT BEST was very, very, narrow
NYPD SVU were looking into it because of what was disclosed to Daily Mail.
and the Victim was in NORTH CAROLINA - this means the NYPD may have been compromising the case if they looked into it because of their Jurisdiction Limitation - so it would have been wiser for them to leave it to the Feds anyway
Occams razor still tells us the greater likelihood that NYPD never had it
think- ago
Thank you for this, MH.
I think this is the same stance @Honeybee_ takes.
Vindicator ago
I don't think you are a shill, MH. I think it's the back-and-forth discussion on this subject that makes us a great source of truth-finding. Thank you for presenting your point of view.
MolochHunter ago
see my response to youllremembermeme, I think we're getting to the bottom of it
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2556787/12837008
Vindicator ago
Link?
Are_we__sure ago
Actually this claim started as anonymous comment on twitter and I'm almost certain it was a joke the autists and the outragists missed, It something like "I heard the emails were in a folder called Life Insurance"
And we now know he was working with the Trump campaign. If you look at his story or the TruePundit story today, there's only one way they make sense. It was political ratfucking. That terms goes back to watergate. Roger Stone got his start in politics as a ratfucker. Richard Nixon got the opponent he wanted in 1972 because he got a stronger candidate kicked out. Someone on his campaign sent a fake letter to the press claiming they heard him make racists comments against...wait for it....French Canadians in Maine.
Absolutely true. Also read those stories today. It's every hope and dream of Hillary Clinton haters in one place. Weiner's laptop is the like Ark of the Covenant.
Also anyone on the NYPD who actually had this info and wanted to make a splash before the election would not leak it fringe media like TruePundit and Infowars, they would leak it to the NY Press who would go apeshit with it. Occam's Razor applies here too.
youllrememberme ago
Will do
HarveyKlinger ago
A couple quick corrections:
urbanmoving ago
correct on 2 on 1 uhhh not entirely correct in terms of say a kid being nude or almost because they got hid with white phosphorus and had to shed clothes medical treatment etc but still sick fucks would jack to it. Salacious posing nudist stuff is child porn considering the tone context and use/intent of the marketing, a video showing birth and a naked baby isn't inherently wrong but these sick fucks market that shit to "to condition" people for it
HarveyKlinger ago
I'm 100% correct on #1. In ALL states in the US, you can have pictures of naked kids on your computer provided they aren't in a seductive or sexual pose AND you don't take sexual pleasure in looking at them. In almost all of the states, the second part of that isn't in the law and doesn't matter. A couple states like Pennsylvania could arrest one person and not another for the exact same photo on their computer. The difference is which one takes sexual pleasure in it and who doesn't. But like I said, non-sexual nudes is legal (thus why websites of nudist camps are totally legal).
urbanmoving ago
"with lascivious intent"-many states have this btw not jsut Mass
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/child-pornography-and-selfies--what-you-need-to-know.html
urbanmoving ago
Thats false, nudist pics have been prosecuted as child pornography....you need to brush up on this.
HarveyKlinger ago
So, you didn't read my description above. I do this for a living. I know exactly what the fuck I'm talking about here. I literally JUST got done with a case specifically to this.
urbanmoving ago
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/child-pornography-and-selfies--what-you-need-to-know.html
"lascivious intent" in Mass many states have that
urbanmoving ago
well you need to brush up on the law...its always been this way, hording pics of naked kids has been prosecuted with intent proven...its a disgusting habit. I provided the link if you happen to be a state that tries some weird "liberal case law" than congrats.
HarveyKlinger ago
Read again what I wrote. What I said was, "Child nudity is not necessarily child pornography." You said I was wrong then repeated what I said. So let me write it again in a different way.
Sometimes pics of nude kids IS pr0n. Sometimes pics of nude kids is NOT pr0n.
Does that make it easier for you? I don't need to brush up on anything. I have done enough prosecution and defense on that specific point alone in multiple states I know exactly what I'm talking about. I even explained that point with examples. So either your not understanding what I wrote or... No, you're clearly not understanding what I wrote.
urbanmoving ago
come on man you know what I said as well, its considered that depending on context intent. It varies state to state, not to busrt your bubble but generalizations are fine even though its a complex argument due to a myriad of state and federal definitons.
HarveyKlinger ago
Which is exactly what I stated WAY before you commented that I was wrong. Seriously, look at my comments where I actually explain that state to state varies.
urbanmoving ago
"Child nudity is not necessarily child pornography." I stated I was not in full agreements with the statement as is, with caveats and a more narrow description.
youllrememberme ago
Maybe "forced" wasn't a great word chioce, but he was a federal employee.
HarveyKlinger ago
It can still be handled by the local police. County and State police have specialists that deal with kiddy pr0n. The only reason it would be turned over to the feds isn't because he's a federal employee but because it was either done on federally owned equipment, using federally owned services, or done on federal work time. And even it did, it'd still probably be handled by the state's attorney's office.
youllrememberme ago
Are you a lawyer?
HarveyKlinger ago
No. But I deal with this shit for about 1/3 of my job. I work with police, lawyers, etc. and had to go through an assload of training on it.
youllrememberme ago
I was just curious. It sounded like you has experience. Thanks for pointing out my sloppiness
HarveyKlinger ago
Nah, it's just a bad habit of mine. The info was good.
youllrememberme ago
That was a sloppy area though, you were right. I fixed it in the pizzagate x post.
HarveyKlinger ago
It's all good, brother.
pby1000 ago
Great information. I believe you are accurate.
youllrememberme ago
I probably should've went with "child porn, pay to play, SAP's and possibly snuff and cannibalism." The shit on that laptop would be a fed issue. It makes sense in my head, sorry for not being clear.
ben_matlock ago
Excellent trio of questions. Nice post, OP!
youllrememberme ago
Thanl you