Tonight is not going to be about links. It’s going to be about parasites, and what happens when you kick the hornets nest.
Unfortunately, there are people on Voat who agree to follow Voat’s rules, and there are people on Voat who don’t.
These parasites are at war with Voat, and want to see it fail. They especially don't want you to read the ideas or contribute your own opinions on how to improve Voat. It would be a real shame if you happened to see something they absolutely do NOT want you to read.
The community can only be so easily divided because the typical person doesn't spend all day on Voat. It's easy to see just brief interactions with another user and just forget them entirely. Some people, when observed for a while, appear outright coordinated; abusing things like the voting system to effect the experience of others - behavior that runs off users and diminishes the community over time.
I strongly believe that the entire community can contribute to the discussions on these ides. I also personally believe that transparency in the voting system is one of many options which are on the table to combat the behavior that is running rampant today, in part because of the anonymous abuse of a voting system that really only exists to prevent top-level spam and help prioritize user content is pointless after 100CCP, anyway. CCP is just make-believe and the points don't matter.
Simply put, a good argument for an open voting system is that it would illuminate the outside untrained observer to be able to see for themselves WHO is doing this behavior, and makes it easy to identify the liars and hypocrites based on what they say. Shining a light in this particular darkness seems like a painless compromise for privacy that maintains Free Speech within U.S. law as @PuttItOut has shown is his purpose for Voat and his rules for maintaining it.
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There are simply people who want to watch the world burn. At times, I've been one of them. No more.
Once you’ve been targeted by the subversive elements, you can't ask simple questions or have a candid conversation with the community, because nobody else will see it and they will subvert the conversation by manipulating the votes as a group with the intention of censoring you if you dare ask the community for feedback.. You tell me if I was reacting too harshly, after days of constant bombardment from the same aggressive assholes.
These parasites infecting Voat are scared shitless of what would happen if the voting system was made transparent and everyone could easily see their actions. If voting is public, it's much harder to hide when a coordinated group is abusing a user. This holds incredible gravitas when the people who are abusing a user this way are also lying about the behavior to mislead the rest of the community. It is for this reason that I believe these parasites fear transparency more than anything.
I advocate you make your own opinions. I believe that Voat has a very simple set of rules and if you follow them and wish to see grow, then your behavior is demonstrated by action. I also think it's time to stop allowing these childish parasites openly subvert the community, run off new users, and secretly brigade others into thinking they have no voice.
Oh. Yeah. And I never had an opinion on the guy the entire time I've been here, but seriously, fuck Dial_Indicator. He's a drunken hobo lunatic and he's been chasing me around on so many accounts that I finally made a list of them here: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3246318
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awwisnotafarmpromise ago
Voat would improve by orders of magnitude overnight if this reddit tier popularity/censorship tool was removed. No site has ever been or ever will be for free speech while having such gay faggot jew censorship tools built right into the core of the site.
No good ever came from likes/karma/voating or any such gay faggotry. The only thing that ever came of them or ever will is mindless echo chambers for gay faggots who only want safe spaces to suck each other off.
virge ago
How do you feel transparency addresses this?
awwisnotafarmpromise ago
Insufficiently.
Having the voating/censorship system is the problem.
The solution is to remove it. Period.
virge ago
How do you reconcile it's use for spam prevention (extremely effective at stopping spam) and it's use to determine priority of responses being lost as functions?
awwisnotafarmpromise ago
Voating is not effective at all for spam prevention. Look at the spambot derram for example shitting up the entire site 24/7 with the reddit tier bot comments.
virge ago
I disagree. You can block derram if you like, but the ccp limit alone stops probably thousands of bots a year that otherwise cannot easily defeat it before being noticed and reported by active users. There is a technical solution to your personal annoyance, but what you are suggesting turns this place into a madhouse as it is otherwise not moderated to the capacity which can deal with a massive influx of simple script spam bots.
Technically it seems like a non-starter. You can't just remove them without an alternative to dealing with spam, at the very minimum.
awwisnotafarmpromise ago
You are the same as those faggots in pv. Good to know.
virge ago
So you would prefer to see the community die?
awwisnotafarmpromise ago
Getting rid of the censorship won't kill voat. People, real people are desperate for a board free of censorship. Like I said already, it would improve voat by orders of magnitude overnight. In multiple ways including an influx of the right kind of people.
You censorship loving safe space faggots are pathetic and will always be alone. The internet is dying because of you gay faggots, just like the schools and many other things. Real people are learning to go outside again, Getting back in shape for the day of the rope. Have fun with that.
virge ago
You legitimately think you can run a U.S. based business with unadulterated Free Speech? Eventually, the U.S. Government just tells the power company to turn off your office lights.. at both your office, and your house.
What you are suggesting is unrealistic in any possible way, yet you dismiss it as if it's the only thing that can be done. Don't you see the fallacy of this argument?
You are literally arguing for the destruction of Voat. Help me understand why?
awwisnotafarmpromise ago
If you don't want free speech and don't have it stop lying and selling the site as such. Lying niggers lie.
virge ago
Or you could actually read and see it's you who misunderstands the agreement.
To coin from your previous jibe, you dumbass anarchists are nothing but parasites who are forced go travel from host to host because your destructive demands kill every host.
Unfortunately for parasites, Voat has an effective immune system and you're on the wrong planet so I suggest you shop for a new home.
awwisnotafarmpromise ago
You are legally retarded.
virge ago
You're literally retarded, I think.
Did you mean "legally" as in I have a poor lack of legal knowledge? You chaotic-evil motherfuckers decide to post some hypothetical threats to an important political figure or something else and the secret service shows up and the U.S. "legal" system bends Putt over and rams hard.
Ok. Congrats. Mission accomplished faggot, Voat is now gone. Where do you go next now that you've consumed the host?
awwisnotafarmpromise ago
Illegal content is not allowed on voat you stupid fuck. Getting rid of the censorship/voating system won't change that. It will just get rid of the censorship.
I mean that in a court of law you are legally retarded.
virge ago
You goddamn tootless redneck, we're saying the same thing but you need to get your dick out of your pet pig to release the oxygen to your brain necessary to reach a double-digit IQ for just long enough to actually read what I'm saying.
You stated getting rid of censorship won't kill Voat, then proceeded to state that "illegal content is not allowed on Voat". That very same "illegal contet" is what we're talking about in the first place so what the fuck are you talking about with "censorship"?
All anyone has ever said is people need to follow the fucking existing rules and stop abusing people with the voting system, you dumb goat fucker. Voting transparency lets people see the voting abuses and doesn't change a goddamn thing about the rules of Voat for illegal content.
awwisnotafarmpromise ago
No. We are not saying the same thing you inbred fuckwit.
You think you can fix the censorship/voating system. You are wrong and wrong minded. Stupid in the extreme.
The 'voating' system has always been and always will be a tool for censorship. Nothing more, nothing less.
It does absolutely nothing to negate illegal content, there for no you stupid fuck, removing it will not increase illegal content.
It can't be fixed, not unlike the stupid you suffer and inflict others with.
virge ago
Wouldn't making it transparent allow the community to see if the voting habits of users matches what they say?
awwisnotafarmpromise ago
No. Kevdude and his ilk have hundreds of accounts to use the voating system for censoring other users.
virge ago
..and if the voting was public then any bored guy with excel could prove your statement as true, instead of just speculating about it with no evidence.
See how that works?
awwisnotafarmpromise ago
Look dipshit sites like facebook, reddit, voat, poal, digg...etc. have been around with their gay faggot like buttons for a good long while now. Thousands of people much smarter than you have pretended (like you) to have the solution to defeat abuse, as well as some who were genuinely trying to help. None have succeeded. None.
The shit is by gay faggots for gay faggots and will always result in censorship.
It needs to be abandoned. Only safe space faggots cling to the censorship/echo chamber tools such as gay faggot like and voating buttons. Because they are gay faggot safe space faggots.
Like you.