I'm not really sure if it happened or not as I don't care too much, but I do care about proving people wrong, so if anyone can hand me short digestible evidence that looks reliable enough so if someone says the holocaust was true, I could post link(s) that are short enough that you don't have to read for hours, but is also a website that looks modern and therefore feels more legit. (Not only am I lazy, others are lazy too)
From the bits I read it seems the gas chambers were for lice and and it is really odd that the one place added concrete over the massive graves preventing people from doing sonar or whatever, so I do see the possibility of it being fake (After all, the winners write the history books)
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Surprised no-one has responded to you yet. Must be the loli thing. Don't go there mate. Young girls are not women, they're children. Don't fuck the children. There is a damn good reason why we have age of consent laws, and why you need to be 18 to vote/drive/drink in most of the world.
Also, do a search for Torchmen order 0428. If you're lazy, it's all here: https://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Fackelm%C3%A4nnerbefehl just translate it from German. Long story short, the "Nazi Atrocities" committed in soviet territory were most likely soviet troupes, dressed in German uniforms. This may also explain how such detailed, well recorded, evidence against the Nazis was produced. People generally aren't willing to let people take photos of them killing other people, you know.
That doesn't mean the hitler was right. Far from it. Fascism, socialism, communism are all essentially the same shit. The nazi regime ran on borrowed money, there was no economic miracle. All government is susceptible to the evils that come with unlimited power. The best option is having a small a government, with as little power as possible.
Sorry for the late reply, my dad made a facebook post talking about 40k gun homicides and I had to do research and found that most of those are suicides, a portion of homicides are of police officers or something else, and half of the actual true homicides are by gang members who could get them from police or military either by purchase or stealing. Sadly I couldn't find sources on strict gun law affecting this at all.
I personally believe more in intelligence stuff for consent really, as the 18 thing is usually in hopes that the person is intelligent enough at that time I would assume. Perhaps a test for sex, such as a test to drive (Yeah, 16 year olds can drive in some states if they pass the test or are learning). That way people can take a test to be able to procreate. Of course, there is no way an 8 year old would pass, but perhaps a 16 year old that studies, or maybe a 14 year old if they are some super human einstein.
Of course you could look at it as, either I am memeing or perhaps love doesn't mean sex, such as I love my dad, and I love lolis, does that mean I want to have sex with my dad? I'll leave that up to you. (Surprised no one thought that maybe I said that to see if this truly was freedom of speech land).
Anyways onto your sources.
I did ask for digestible stuff, so a 4 hour video is only if I am really bored and want to watch something. As for the metapedia thing about russians and the torch command, wowee that was easy to read and really got the message home. Sadly some of the sources either got 404ed or I couldn't connect tot he website. The rest didn't seem that legit, and I couldn't find sources that looked legit that agreed with this statement. Infact I found sources trying to disprove this actually,
And this other source talks about people taking german uniforms for warmth or perhaps sabotage and spy missions, so the idea of german soldiers missing their clothes when dead doesn't fully mean that the uniform was used to ruin the reputation of Germany.
Of course I have no idea if those counter sources are true, and as I have learned Science is more about proving something than disproving something, so if you could find sources that appear to be legit on the russians using german outfits to ruin their reputation, that would be really great actually as that is a really good first step in seeing the holocaust as possibly being a lie, as you could see any atrocity commited by a german could be a Russian in disguise.
I spent a while actually trying to see if I could find sources that proves this theory but with so much denying it, finding legit looking proof was hard, aka one of the main reasons I would want someone claiming these things to give proof as it shouldn't be my job to prove they are right.
I personally believe more in intelligence stuff for consent really, as the 18 thing is usually in hopes that the person is intelligent enough at that time I would assume.
Nothing to do with "intelligence" everything to do with real-world experience, responsibility, and ease of enforcement. It's easy to prove if someone is of age, and you can't bend straight facts to suit your view. If you base it off of intelligence instead, it's open to interpretation and abuse. Also, because intelligence is normally distributed, there is a very high chance that out of all the 8 year old children around, there'll be at least a handful of them that are smart if not more so, than the average intelligence of an 18 year, and having sex with an 8-year old is, as you ackknowledged, absolutely wrong. Also, average implies that half the 18 year olds would be smarter, and half not as smart so as to meet the threshold for consent. It's too confusing, impractical, and wrong.
Surprised no one thought that maybe I said that to see if this truly was freedom of speech land.
You haven't been banned, and your post hasn't been censored.
Anyways onto your sources.
I did ask for digestible stuff, so a 4 hour video is only if I am really bored and want to watch something. As for the metapedia thing about russians and the torch command, wowee that was easy to read and really got the message home. Sadly some of the sources either got 404ed or I couldn't connect tot he website. The rest didn't seem that legit, and I couldn't find sources that looked legit that agreed with this statement. Infact I found sources trying to disprove this actually.
This is why I posted the four hour video. You don't need to watch all four hours to get the gist of it, I've only watched 40 minutes thus far. The problem with arguments on the internet, as you acknowledge, is that you have one source for, and source against, and it gets very messy very quickly. This video goes through the foremost authority on the holocaust, full of sources, and used extensively as the foundation for all things holocaust related. Think of it as the holocaust bible. They then go through the sources referenced in this bible one by one, and expose all the inconsistencies, where or how they originated, the impossibilities of the situations, the flaws, etc. Watch it for 15 minutes. If you still doubt, watch it for another 15, and so on and so forth. Hell, you can and should watch and, and pause the video every minute or so to look up the material they're using and confirm that the book/literature is correct.
And this other source talks about people taking german uniforms for warmth or perhaps sabotage and spy missions, so the idea of german soldiers missing their clothes when dead doesn't fully mean that the uniform was used to ruin the reputation of Germany.
It's one thing for starving peasants to steal their clothes to survive. It's another thing entirely to wear the clothes of your enemy, murder entire villages, and pose for numerous, high-quality photos while doing so. The evidence is not talking about missing german uniforms, it's how the uniforms were used by soviet soldiers.
Thanks for being civil though fam.
It's not easy, you strike me as incredibly lazy. Watch the damn video if you're serious. We're talking about one of the worst lies/deceptions/injustices in history, that laid the groundwork for the fall of the western world as we know it. And you can't bring yourself to watch even 15 minutes, let alone the whole 4 hour thing.
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I'm not really sure if it happened or not as I don't care too much
Then fuck off.
so if anyone can hand me short digestible evidence that looks reliable enough so if someone says the holocaust was true, I could post link(s) that are short enough that you don't have to read for hours,
I could do this, but fuck off.
but is also a website that looks modern and therefore feels more legit. (Not only am I lazy, others are lazy too)
Really, fuck off.
From the bits I read it seems the gas chambers were for lice and and it is really odd that the one place added concrete over the massive graves preventing people from doing sonar or whatever, so I do see the possibility of it being fake (After all, the winners write the history books)
You're getting it, but not caring is what got us into this mess. Find a way to give a fuck; I have what you want, make it worth my while even linking you to it.
Let me give you some advice; delete this account and lurk moar.
Now let me let you in on a little secret you wouldn't need to hear if you'd lurked moar:
Out of ANYONE on this website, I'm probably best-equipped to provide you with the resources you want. You thinking I don't have it is just about one of the most absurd claims one can make here.
I get pinged regularly to provide info or advice on JQ stuff; especially the Holohoax.
IMO, come back when you are disgusted with your current self and ready to give a fuck.
Basically telling me to leave because I had a different opinion, then making sure people see me as they will most likely downvote me that way I lose my ability to create posts. That doesn't sound like subtle censorship.
Basically telling me to leave because I had a different opinion
Do you enjoy being dishonest? In no way did I say that. I said lurk more; meaning that you'd probably be better served by shutting your fantastically stupid yap and absorbing information for a while.
You don't have a different opinion, you have a cringeworthy "I, like, totally don't care, dude" attitude that is nothing but an embarrassing indictment of your self awareness.
then making sure people see me as they will most likely downvote me that way I lose my ability to create posts. That doesn't sound like subtle censorship.
Nobody needs to downvote you; I can wreck you with my words alone. I can make you feel like such a useless and stupid piece of shit that you disappear without a single downvote being given.
I ping people for myriad reasons; not the least of which to help the person I'm responding to. I respect those I ping, and know they have certain communicative skills I do not. They might be able to get through to someone like you better than I can. More to the point, they're, for the most part, less overwhelming and more newbie-friendly than I am.
Originally, I pinged to help you. Now I ping because you're a loli pedo, and mockery is all you really deserve.
Illustrations of children in sexual positions and acts is not 'a different opinion', it's a mental illness. It's maladjusted to a healthy society. Maybe you can overcome it once you realize it was programmed into you by Jews, but right now you're just a sick fuck.
Keep telling yourself whatever you need to help you sleep at night.
It's rather funny, but your edit actually shows butthurt, where my words do not; but hey, keep up with that tone fallacy, since it makes you feel good.
NymphantTree, this really is not a good way to approach Voat. There are a lot of good people here who really value interesting discussion and genuine debate. Snark, laziness, entitlement and haughtiness are pretty much universally despised. Just an FYI.
Yeah Crensch is really giving me a genuine debate by just telling me to leave.
If lots of people on voat care about getting the truth of the holocaust not happening out to the people, then surely one of the aspects is making the proof easy to digest.
Instead, Crensch here just got angry that I dared to not agree completely with his point of view that he told me to leave. Then told his friends to come laugh at me instead of having a genuine debate like you said.
The comments I read didn't seem that way to me. I thought he was frustrated with the lack of clarity in what you were saying. (I had a hard time following it, as well.)
When people say the words "ad hominem" they almost invariably do not mean just 'to the person' literal translation of it, they are referencing the fallacy.
You, pedo, don't know what the fallacy is, or how it works. How do I know this?
First, because I'm smarter than you are. I'm more well-read, and I don't post edgy comments about not caring but wanting to prove others wrong.
Second, because I read the definition of the damn fallacy once upon a time.
Do you know what is required for invective to become an ad hominem fallacy? I do.
For it to be a FALLCY, I have to base some argument upon whatever flaw I am presenting about your person. "You're wrong about this because you're a Nazi!" "You can't be right about women because you're a man!"
Did you see anything even remotely resembling the above in my words? I'll answer that for you: no.
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What you see there is nothing but invective, and has fuck-all to do with my arguments. Not a single argument of mine did I attempt to support by insulting you.
You wouldn't know this, because you're a cringeworthy little degenerate faggot that cannot be bothered to give a damn.
Oh, and since you really are quite retarded, the above line is not a fallacy because you, yourself, said you didn't give a damn. My mocking descriptive words were by no means a pillar upon which the original 4-word claim was predicated.
But you wouldn't understand that, either, I'm sure.
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NymphantTree ago
I'm not really sure if it happened or not as I don't care too much, but I do care about proving people wrong, so if anyone can hand me short digestible evidence that looks reliable enough so if someone says the holocaust was true, I could post link(s) that are short enough that you don't have to read for hours, but is also a website that looks modern and therefore feels more legit. (Not only am I lazy, others are lazy too)
From the bits I read it seems the gas chambers were for lice and and it is really odd that the one place added concrete over the massive graves preventing people from doing sonar or whatever, so I do see the possibility of it being fake (After all, the winners write the history books)
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matthew-- ago
Surprised no-one has responded to you yet. Must be the loli thing. Don't go there mate. Young girls are not women, they're children. Don't fuck the children. There is a damn good reason why we have age of consent laws, and why you need to be 18 to vote/drive/drink in most of the world.
Now to your holocaust thing. I'd recommend anyone still iffy about the details watch, "One third of the holocaust". Link: https://archive.org/details/OneThirdOfTheHolocaust
Also, do a search for Torchmen order 0428. If you're lazy, it's all here: https://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Fackelm%C3%A4nnerbefehl just translate it from German. Long story short, the "Nazi Atrocities" committed in soviet territory were most likely soviet troupes, dressed in German uniforms. This may also explain how such detailed, well recorded, evidence against the Nazis was produced. People generally aren't willing to let people take photos of them killing other people, you know.
That doesn't mean the hitler was right. Far from it. Fascism, socialism, communism are all essentially the same shit. The nazi regime ran on borrowed money, there was no economic miracle. All government is susceptible to the evils that come with unlimited power. The best option is having a small a government, with as little power as possible.
NymphantTree ago
Sorry for the late reply, my dad made a facebook post talking about 40k gun homicides and I had to do research and found that most of those are suicides, a portion of homicides are of police officers or something else, and half of the actual true homicides are by gang members who could get them from police or military either by purchase or stealing. Sadly I couldn't find sources on strict gun law affecting this at all.
I personally believe more in intelligence stuff for consent really, as the 18 thing is usually in hopes that the person is intelligent enough at that time I would assume. Perhaps a test for sex, such as a test to drive (Yeah, 16 year olds can drive in some states if they pass the test or are learning). That way people can take a test to be able to procreate. Of course, there is no way an 8 year old would pass, but perhaps a 16 year old that studies, or maybe a 14 year old if they are some super human einstein.
Of course you could look at it as, either I am memeing or perhaps love doesn't mean sex, such as I love my dad, and I love lolis, does that mean I want to have sex with my dad? I'll leave that up to you. (Surprised no one thought that maybe I said that to see if this truly was freedom of speech land).
Anyways onto your sources.
I did ask for digestible stuff, so a 4 hour video is only if I am really bored and want to watch something. As for the metapedia thing about russians and the torch command, wowee that was easy to read and really got the message home. Sadly some of the sources either got 404ed or I couldn't connect tot he website. The rest didn't seem that legit, and I couldn't find sources that looked legit that agreed with this statement. Infact I found sources trying to disprove this actually,
https://www.quora.com/Online-I-came-across-Stalin-Order-0428-during-World-War-II-for-communist-partisans-to-dress-as-the-German-soldiers-and-destroy-their-own-villages-60km-from-the-frontlines-to-ignite-hatred-against-the-invaders-Is (Couldn't be bothered to read the whole source which is mainly this https://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/2000_4.pdf as it's in another language and all that).
And this other source talks about people taking german uniforms for warmth or perhaps sabotage and spy missions, so the idea of german soldiers missing their clothes when dead doesn't fully mean that the uniform was used to ruin the reputation of Germany.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/living-and-surviving-as-a-partisan
Of course I have no idea if those counter sources are true, and as I have learned Science is more about proving something than disproving something, so if you could find sources that appear to be legit on the russians using german outfits to ruin their reputation, that would be really great actually as that is a really good first step in seeing the holocaust as possibly being a lie, as you could see any atrocity commited by a german could be a Russian in disguise.
I spent a while actually trying to see if I could find sources that proves this theory but with so much denying it, finding legit looking proof was hard, aka one of the main reasons I would want someone claiming these things to give proof as it shouldn't be my job to prove they are right.
Thanks for being civil though fam.
matthew-- ago
Nothing to do with "intelligence" everything to do with real-world experience, responsibility, and ease of enforcement. It's easy to prove if someone is of age, and you can't bend straight facts to suit your view. If you base it off of intelligence instead, it's open to interpretation and abuse. Also, because intelligence is normally distributed, there is a very high chance that out of all the 8 year old children around, there'll be at least a handful of them that are smart if not more so, than the average intelligence of an 18 year, and having sex with an 8-year old is, as you ackknowledged, absolutely wrong. Also, average implies that half the 18 year olds would be smarter, and half not as smart so as to meet the threshold for consent. It's too confusing, impractical, and wrong.
You haven't been banned, and your post hasn't been censored.
This is why I posted the four hour video. You don't need to watch all four hours to get the gist of it, I've only watched 40 minutes thus far. The problem with arguments on the internet, as you acknowledge, is that you have one source for, and source against, and it gets very messy very quickly. This video goes through the foremost authority on the holocaust, full of sources, and used extensively as the foundation for all things holocaust related. Think of it as the holocaust bible. They then go through the sources referenced in this bible one by one, and expose all the inconsistencies, where or how they originated, the impossibilities of the situations, the flaws, etc. Watch it for 15 minutes. If you still doubt, watch it for another 15, and so on and so forth. Hell, you can and should watch and, and pause the video every minute or so to look up the material they're using and confirm that the book/literature is correct.
It's one thing for starving peasants to steal their clothes to survive. It's another thing entirely to wear the clothes of your enemy, murder entire villages, and pose for numerous, high-quality photos while doing so. The evidence is not talking about missing german uniforms, it's how the uniforms were used by soviet soldiers.
It's not easy, you strike me as incredibly lazy. Watch the damn video if you're serious. We're talking about one of the worst lies/deceptions/injustices in history, that laid the groundwork for the fall of the western world as we know it. And you can't bring yourself to watch even 15 minutes, let alone the whole 4 hour thing.
NymphantTree ago
Yes, I am lazy.
Do you think people that say the holocaust is real are going to be non lazy?
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Crensch ago
Then fuck off.
I could do this, but fuck off.
Really, fuck off.
You're getting it, but not caring is what got us into this mess. Find a way to give a fuck; I have what you want, make it worth my while even linking you to it.
NymphantTree ago
So you don't have it?
Thanks, gotcha.
Crensch ago
Let me give you some advice; delete this account and lurk moar.
Now let me let you in on a little secret you wouldn't need to hear if you'd lurked moar:
Out of ANYONE on this website, I'm probably best-equipped to provide you with the resources you want. You thinking I don't have it is just about one of the most absurd claims one can make here.
I get pinged regularly to provide info or advice on JQ stuff; especially the Holohoax.
IMO, come back when you are disgusted with your current self and ready to give a fuck.
NymphantTree ago
Oh delete my account and lurk.
Basically telling me to leave because I had a different opinion, then making sure people see me as they will most likely downvote me that way I lose my ability to create posts. That doesn't sound like subtle censorship.
Crensch ago
Do you enjoy being dishonest? In no way did I say that. I said lurk more; meaning that you'd probably be better served by shutting your fantastically stupid yap and absorbing information for a while.
You don't have a different opinion, you have a cringeworthy "I, like, totally don't care, dude" attitude that is nothing but an embarrassing indictment of your self awareness.
Nobody needs to downvote you; I can wreck you with my words alone. I can make you feel like such a useless and stupid piece of shit that you disappear without a single downvote being given.
I ping people for myriad reasons; not the least of which to help the person I'm responding to. I respect those I ping, and know they have certain communicative skills I do not. They might be able to get through to someone like you better than I can. More to the point, they're, for the most part, less overwhelming and more newbie-friendly than I am.
Originally, I pinged to help you. Now I ping because you're a loli pedo, and mockery is all you really deserve.
Illustrations of children in sexual positions and acts is not 'a different opinion', it's a mental illness. It's maladjusted to a healthy society. Maybe you can overcome it once you realize it was programmed into you by Jews, but right now you're just a sick fuck.
NymphantTree ago
God you are butthurt
Crensch ago
Keep telling yourself whatever you need to help you sleep at night.
It's rather funny, but your edit actually shows butthurt, where my words do not; but hey, keep up with that tone fallacy, since it makes you feel good.
Vindicator ago
NymphantTree, this really is not a good way to approach Voat. There are a lot of good people here who really value interesting discussion and genuine debate. Snark, laziness, entitlement and haughtiness are pretty much universally despised. Just an FYI.
NymphantTree ago
Yeah Crensch is really giving me a genuine debate by just telling me to leave.
If lots of people on voat care about getting the truth of the holocaust not happening out to the people, then surely one of the aspects is making the proof easy to digest.
Instead, Crensch here just got angry that I dared to not agree completely with his point of view that he told me to leave. Then told his friends to come laugh at me instead of having a genuine debate like you said.
Vindicator ago
The comments I read didn't seem that way to me. I thought he was frustrated with the lack of clarity in what you were saying. (I had a hard time following it, as well.)
Crensch ago
@Trigglypuff @kevdude @Vindicator @PeaceSeeker @srayzie
Thought you'd enjoy the laugh.
NymphantTree ago
That's a good argument actually
Crensch ago
Well, maybe this will help.
@Trigglypuff @kevdude @Vindicator @PeaceSeeker @srayzie
srayzie ago
Lol good catch. 😂
Derpfroot ago
That actually is funny. Made me chuckle.
NymphantTree ago
Nice ad hominem
Crensch ago
When people say the words "ad hominem" they almost invariably do not mean just 'to the person' literal translation of it, they are referencing the fallacy.
You, pedo, don't know what the fallacy is, or how it works. How do I know this?
First, because I'm smarter than you are. I'm more well-read, and I don't post edgy comments about not caring but wanting to prove others wrong.
Second, because I read the definition of the damn fallacy once upon a time.
Do you know what is required for invective to become an ad hominem fallacy? I do.
For it to be a FALLCY, I have to base some argument upon whatever flaw I am presenting about your person. "You're wrong about this because you're a Nazi!" "You can't be right about women because you're a man!"
Did you see anything even remotely resembling the above in my words? I'll answer that for you: no.
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What you see there is nothing but invective, and has fuck-all to do with my arguments. Not a single argument of mine did I attempt to support by insulting you.
You wouldn't know this, because you're a cringeworthy little degenerate faggot that cannot be bothered to give a damn.
Oh, and since you really are quite retarded, the above line is not a fallacy because you, yourself, said you didn't give a damn. My mocking descriptive words were by no means a pillar upon which the original 4-word claim was predicated.
But you wouldn't understand that, either, I'm sure.