They literally downvoated @Coors_Nationalist to the point where he can't vote, post, or comment. Who is the real censor? The guy who has a sub for a specific Minecraft server and doesn't want his sub filled with off topic garbage? Or the people who take away his ability to use the website? @PuttItOut, this is a problem I've touched on over the years. If someone isn't a spammer but just isn't liked or has "the wrong opinions" they are prevented from using the site.
Possible solution: an appeal process where someone downvoated to oblivion can have their site privileges returned to them.
This is an issue, it is an exploit in our system. I've never once denied this.
Sub owners should run their subs how they want. But then Voat users should vote how they want. See the problem? Which group are you going to target?
How I see it: 90%+ of these cases involve someone conducting themselves in a fashion incompatible with Voat's principles, or they are hostile and prideful in their conduct/communication. Both scenarios indicate an unwise person.
It would be ideal if Voat lived and let live, but that will never happen because Voat is filled with people that test and abuse in order to claim a trespass. Voat is right in the end though... Those with incompatible principles never assimilate. In this way I'm proud, but I do wish Voat was more measured in their response rather than going nuclear immediately. This drastic attack based response is a sign of immaturity on the part of Voat and actually works against Voat in the end. I wish Voat was wise enough to see this perspective.
Pretty sure @stonetoss took off because of a similar situation.
Thanks for the quick response. I understand both sides and see your dilemma. @stonetoss is a good guy. Chasing people like him away is not good for voat. I understand people attacking a powermod of a sub that is used for a more general purpose, but when someone has a personal subverse like this, the freedom to moderate how they see fit should be more important. I know you probably won't have any solution anytime soon, but thanks for acknowledging the issue. I don't think voat will be able to ever grow much without this being addressed.
when someone has a personal subverse like this, the freedom to moderate how they see fit should be more important.
the users of the subverse should decide what they want for the sub, the mod just works for them. If the janitor gets too uppity he should lose his job.
if your band had say 4 members and you were the only one with mod privileges I'd argue the other 3 members should have some recourse if you used those privileges to screw them over on the subverse that ought to belong to all 4 of you. The problem is you think of it as your band even though the other members also have a right to it and why should the simply trust you with no insurance especially when you come off so self-centered. A community online belongs to it's users and the forum they populate belongs to the community, the person moderating it is tasked with representing them and working to create the site they want to use rather than everything simply being his
That's a strawman of what my point was. Anyways, his server = his subverse. If you want your own server, then you can have your own subverse. The only purpose anyone would use his sub if they're on his Minecraft server. Anyone who mods the server should mod the subverse in the way they see fit. Nobody posts about SBBH banning people from their sub. They should totally be able to though, it's their sub.
I'd say that's a case by case basis. Something like /v/hockey or /v/Chicago should 100% be community driven, but a sub for a particular Minecraft server seems like it should be run by the people who run the server or at the very least the people who play on the server. People were up in arms about him banning people who weren't players on the server, they had no business using that subverse in the first place.
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dtaraasdfasdf ago
why dont you just wait until the pv goon squad doesnt like what they do, then lie about them, then downvoat brigade them to nothing?
That the protectvoat way @puttitout
oiseaulibre ago
They literally downvoated @Coors_Nationalist to the point where he can't vote, post, or comment. Who is the real censor? The guy who has a sub for a specific Minecraft server and doesn't want his sub filled with off topic garbage? Or the people who take away his ability to use the website? @PuttItOut, this is a problem I've touched on over the years. If someone isn't a spammer but just isn't liked or has "the wrong opinions" they are prevented from using the site.
Possible solution: an appeal process where someone downvoated to oblivion can have their site privileges returned to them.
PuttItOut ago
This is an issue, it is an exploit in our system. I've never once denied this.
Sub owners should run their subs how they want. But then Voat users should vote how they want. See the problem? Which group are you going to target?
How I see it: 90%+ of these cases involve someone conducting themselves in a fashion incompatible with Voat's principles, or they are hostile and prideful in their conduct/communication. Both scenarios indicate an unwise person.
It would be ideal if Voat lived and let live, but that will never happen because Voat is filled with people that test and abuse in order to claim a trespass. Voat is right in the end though... Those with incompatible principles never assimilate. In this way I'm proud, but I do wish Voat was more measured in their response rather than going nuclear immediately. This drastic attack based response is a sign of immaturity on the part of Voat and actually works against Voat in the end. I wish Voat was wise enough to see this perspective.
Pretty sure @stonetoss took off because of a similar situation.
oiseaulibre ago
Thanks for the quick response. I understand both sides and see your dilemma. @stonetoss is a good guy. Chasing people like him away is not good for voat. I understand people attacking a powermod of a sub that is used for a more general purpose, but when someone has a personal subverse like this, the freedom to moderate how they see fit should be more important. I know you probably won't have any solution anytime soon, but thanks for acknowledging the issue. I don't think voat will be able to ever grow much without this being addressed.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
the users of the subverse should decide what they want for the sub, the mod just works for them. If the janitor gets too uppity he should lose his job.
oiseaulibre ago
He literally created a sub for his own mincraft server. If I wanted to create a sub for my band, I'd want to control the sub.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
if your band had say 4 members and you were the only one with mod privileges I'd argue the other 3 members should have some recourse if you used those privileges to screw them over on the subverse that ought to belong to all 4 of you. The problem is you think of it as your band even though the other members also have a right to it and why should the simply trust you with no insurance especially when you come off so self-centered. A community online belongs to it's users and the forum they populate belongs to the community, the person moderating it is tasked with representing them and working to create the site they want to use rather than everything simply being his
oiseaulibre ago
That's a strawman of what my point was. Anyways, his server = his subverse. If you want your own server, then you can have your own subverse. The only purpose anyone would use his sub if they're on his Minecraft server. Anyone who mods the server should mod the subverse in the way they see fit. Nobody posts about SBBH banning people from their sub. They should totally be able to though, it's their sub.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I'd argue the server and the subverse rightful belong to the community that uses them as a whole and not solely to the janitor they employ
oiseaulibre ago
I'd say that's a case by case basis. Something like /v/hockey or /v/Chicago should 100% be community driven, but a sub for a particular Minecraft server seems like it should be run by the people who run the server or at the very least the people who play on the server. People were up in arms about him banning people who weren't players on the server, they had no business using that subverse in the first place.
892734jhfs2 ago
youre 100% correct your sub your rules @puttitout
its not PV determination what you should say or do on on voat