They literally downvoated @Coors_Nationalist to the point where he can't vote, post, or comment. Who is the real censor? The guy who has a sub for a specific Minecraft server and doesn't want his sub filled with off topic garbage? Or the people who take away his ability to use the website? @PuttItOut, this is a problem I've touched on over the years. If someone isn't a spammer but just isn't liked or has "the wrong opinions" they are prevented from using the site.
Possible solution: an appeal process where someone downvoated to oblivion can have their site privileges returned to them.
This is an issue, it is an exploit in our system. I've never once denied this.
Sub owners should run their subs how they want. But then Voat users should vote how they want. See the problem? Which group are you going to target?
How I see it: 90%+ of these cases involve someone conducting themselves in a fashion incompatible with Voat's principles, or they are hostile and prideful in their conduct/communication. Both scenarios indicate an unwise person.
It would be ideal if Voat lived and let live, but that will never happen because Voat is filled with people that test and abuse in order to claim a trespass. Voat is right in the end though... Those with incompatible principles never assimilate. In this way I'm proud, but I do wish Voat was more measured in their response rather than going nuclear immediately. This drastic attack based response is a sign of immaturity on the part of Voat and actually works against Voat in the end. I wish Voat was wise enough to see this perspective.
Pretty sure @stonetoss took off because of a similar situation.
Thanks for the quick response. I understand both sides and see your dilemma. @stonetoss is a good guy. Chasing people like him away is not good for voat. I understand people attacking a powermod of a sub that is used for a more general purpose, but when someone has a personal subverse like this, the freedom to moderate how they see fit should be more important. I know you probably won't have any solution anytime soon, but thanks for acknowledging the issue. I don't think voat will be able to ever grow much without this being addressed.
when someone has a personal subverse like this, the freedom to moderate how they see fit should be more important.
the users of the subverse should decide what they want for the sub, the mod just works for them. If the janitor gets too uppity he should lose his job.
if your band had say 4 members and you were the only one with mod privileges I'd argue the other 3 members should have some recourse if you used those privileges to screw them over on the subverse that ought to belong to all 4 of you. The problem is you think of it as your band even though the other members also have a right to it and why should the simply trust you with no insurance especially when you come off so self-centered. A community online belongs to it's users and the forum they populate belongs to the community, the person moderating it is tasked with representing them and working to create the site they want to use rather than everything simply being his
That's a strawman of what my point was. Anyways, his server = his subverse. If you want your own server, then you can have your own subverse. The only purpose anyone would use his sub if they're on his Minecraft server. Anyone who mods the server should mod the subverse in the way they see fit. Nobody posts about SBBH banning people from their sub. They should totally be able to though, it's their sub.
this is what they do man, I cant begin to tell you how how many accounts they targeted me on and downvoated me to shit. They sit in a chatroom and say downvoat this guy.... I would even put past they have private verse for such operations.
reminder @kevdude asked me before to brigade for him, only to upvoat (only what i would do) tho, and I DM you saying I was going to putt. Who to say he doesnt ask people to downvoat for him? @puttiout
who is the real manipulator here? Is it one person protecting from your self amiddited flaw in your system, or the cancer causing it? @zyklon_b
this is why people are leaving, voat ISNT free speech its collectivism/authoritarianism
There is very few of us old active goats here left... dude they think downvoating is free speech @puttitout
When everything about downvoting is about censorship (self admitted by you putt)
its too early for me to get pissed im stopping now. get your shit together putt, you lost alot but this shit has got to end. I have an account rebuilding, im sure you know.
this downvoating bullshit based on mob rule needs to fucking end
I'd say that's a case by case basis. Something like /v/hockey or /v/Chicago should 100% be community driven, but a sub for a particular Minecraft server seems like it should be run by the people who run the server or at the very least the people who play on the server. People were up in arms about him banning people who weren't players on the server, they had no business using that subverse in the first place.
someone made a single shitpost to see what the mod would do, he immediately deleted it and several comments and banned anyone who had a problem with that. Then they made a post on protect voat pointing out that this happened and linking to the modlogs as proof. The mod responded to this by getting into the comments to scream and cry about how because of his dignity as a fascist wouldn't allow anyone making fun of him while people mostly either made fun of him or tried to explain basic concepts about the principal of free speech to him. He continued to sperg out and most of the downvoats he got (the "brigade" as you call it) were the ones he got on that thread arguing with people making fun of him while he explained how he was literally and unironically against free speech.
I'm not sure what he expected or what you think should've happened here, but outside of the original shitpost, everything that happened to him was only a result of his own behavior and poor decision making skills
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dtaraasdfasdf ago
why dont you just wait until the pv goon squad doesnt like what they do, then lie about them, then downvoat brigade them to nothing?
That the protectvoat way @puttitout
oiseaulibre ago
They literally downvoated @Coors_Nationalist to the point where he can't vote, post, or comment. Who is the real censor? The guy who has a sub for a specific Minecraft server and doesn't want his sub filled with off topic garbage? Or the people who take away his ability to use the website? @PuttItOut, this is a problem I've touched on over the years. If someone isn't a spammer but just isn't liked or has "the wrong opinions" they are prevented from using the site.
Possible solution: an appeal process where someone downvoated to oblivion can have their site privileges returned to them.
PuttItOut ago
This is an issue, it is an exploit in our system. I've never once denied this.
Sub owners should run their subs how they want. But then Voat users should vote how they want. See the problem? Which group are you going to target?
How I see it: 90%+ of these cases involve someone conducting themselves in a fashion incompatible with Voat's principles, or they are hostile and prideful in their conduct/communication. Both scenarios indicate an unwise person.
It would be ideal if Voat lived and let live, but that will never happen because Voat is filled with people that test and abuse in order to claim a trespass. Voat is right in the end though... Those with incompatible principles never assimilate. In this way I'm proud, but I do wish Voat was more measured in their response rather than going nuclear immediately. This drastic attack based response is a sign of immaturity on the part of Voat and actually works against Voat in the end. I wish Voat was wise enough to see this perspective.
Pretty sure @stonetoss took off because of a similar situation.
oiseaulibre ago
Thanks for the quick response. I understand both sides and see your dilemma. @stonetoss is a good guy. Chasing people like him away is not good for voat. I understand people attacking a powermod of a sub that is used for a more general purpose, but when someone has a personal subverse like this, the freedom to moderate how they see fit should be more important. I know you probably won't have any solution anytime soon, but thanks for acknowledging the issue. I don't think voat will be able to ever grow much without this being addressed.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
the users of the subverse should decide what they want for the sub, the mod just works for them. If the janitor gets too uppity he should lose his job.
oiseaulibre ago
He literally created a sub for his own mincraft server. If I wanted to create a sub for my band, I'd want to control the sub.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
if your band had say 4 members and you were the only one with mod privileges I'd argue the other 3 members should have some recourse if you used those privileges to screw them over on the subverse that ought to belong to all 4 of you. The problem is you think of it as your band even though the other members also have a right to it and why should the simply trust you with no insurance especially when you come off so self-centered. A community online belongs to it's users and the forum they populate belongs to the community, the person moderating it is tasked with representing them and working to create the site they want to use rather than everything simply being his
oiseaulibre ago
That's a strawman of what my point was. Anyways, his server = his subverse. If you want your own server, then you can have your own subverse. The only purpose anyone would use his sub if they're on his Minecraft server. Anyone who mods the server should mod the subverse in the way they see fit. Nobody posts about SBBH banning people from their sub. They should totally be able to though, it's their sub.
98794234hkasdf ago
this is what they do man, I cant begin to tell you how how many accounts they targeted me on and downvoated me to shit. They sit in a chatroom and say downvoat this guy.... I would even put past they have private verse for such operations.
reminder @kevdude asked me before to brigade for him, only to upvoat (only what i would do) tho, and I DM you saying I was going to putt. Who to say he doesnt ask people to downvoat for him? @puttiout
who is the real manipulator here? Is it one person protecting from your self amiddited flaw in your system, or the cancer causing it? @zyklon_b
this is why people are leaving, voat ISNT free speech its collectivism/authoritarianism
There is very few of us old active goats here left... dude they think downvoating is free speech @puttitout
When everything about downvoting is about censorship (self admitted by you putt)
its too early for me to get pissed im stopping now. get your shit together putt, you lost alot but this shit has got to end. I have an account rebuilding, im sure you know.
this downvoating bullshit based on mob rule needs to fucking end
https://youtu.be/0MjyGPp__-w
zyklon_b ago
hey komrade
its far more organized with the paid posters but since angel saved us all they get paid in is amazon giftcards
98794234hkasdf ago
i waged a war bother.... i had a dream with you other, it was sweet. i will continue to fight
zyklon_b ago
well komrade the puppies are doin well. live in new home now
98794234hkasdf ago
i will fight for you @puttitout
zyklon_b ago
HEIL PUTTLER
98794234hkasdf ago
+1
zyklon_b ago
my life suffocates planting the seeds of hate
98794234hkasdf ago
https://youtu.be/El-STG2szVM
98794234hkasdf ago
hmm wise words,
you know my shit bro, im here if need to talk
im here for you
oiseaulibre ago
Is this Cheeselane?
98794234hkasdf ago
this is what they do.... i spoke about this countless times... hopefully @puttitout will now take attention to the matter.
i dont want anyone banned.... there just needs to be a change in the voting system, its fucked in the current state
everyone one of us old goats knows it, it should be #1 priority for @puttitout
cooldown on accounts for down voats
oiseaulibre ago
The PV drama is one of the main reasons I left the site for a while. This shit drives people away. It's good to see you're still around man.
98794234hkasdf ago
i got you
https://youtu.be/UpVkvWjRYzk
98794234hkasdf ago
i aint giving up
98794234hkasdf ago
yeah bro, ive missed you
oiseaulibre ago
<3
98794234hkasdf ago
love youe too
we will git thru this brother @puttitout
I will tak the hit
https://youtu.be/08_O9IAKMKA
im very clear, i know i sbbh ties these fuckers has been out on line
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I'd argue the server and the subverse rightful belong to the community that uses them as a whole and not solely to the janitor they employ
oiseaulibre ago
I'd say that's a case by case basis. Something like /v/hockey or /v/Chicago should 100% be community driven, but a sub for a particular Minecraft server seems like it should be run by the people who run the server or at the very least the people who play on the server. People were up in arms about him banning people who weren't players on the server, they had no business using that subverse in the first place.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
there you go, we're in agreement
oiseaulibre ago
Ok, then why did ProtectVoat attack the sub and sperg out afterwards?
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
someone made a single shitpost to see what the mod would do, he immediately deleted it and several comments and banned anyone who had a problem with that. Then they made a post on protect voat pointing out that this happened and linking to the modlogs as proof. The mod responded to this by getting into the comments to scream and cry about how because of his dignity as a fascist wouldn't allow anyone making fun of him while people mostly either made fun of him or tried to explain basic concepts about the principal of free speech to him. He continued to sperg out and most of the downvoats he got (the "brigade" as you call it) were the ones he got on that thread arguing with people making fun of him while he explained how he was literally and unironically against free speech.
I'm not sure what he expected or what you think should've happened here, but outside of the original shitpost, everything that happened to him was only a result of his own behavior and poor decision making skills
892734jhfs2 ago
youre 100% correct your sub your rules @puttitout
its not PV determination what you should say or do on on voat