But the animals will do better with one of their own in charge
Are you implying the zoo should be run by the animals instead of the zookeeper?
All joking aside, I actually love voaters. They're a crass bunch, but I wouldn't be here if I didn't like them. I like you in a way, and to continue with the analogy - you have a place in the food chain. Even though I think you're extremely overzealous, I know you do good here. But I prefer banter with @Crensch. He at least backs up his claims by using my own posts against me.
I think my actions speak much louder than my words. Check out any of my subs and show me an abuse of power. Really, show me a single time I have taken the wheel and shown my "progressive agenda"? You've been typing about me all day, some actual research will at least help rally people behind you.
If you weren't going to you wouldn't be arguing about it right now.
I'm simply defending myself. I don't think you understand people as well as you think, quite a bawdy assumption on your part. You seem to think you're skilled at parrying points and turning them back around. I think it's honestly been pretty fun arguing with you, like listening to a 11 year old give me their theory of the world.
The position doesn't even exist and your are already fighting to keep your name in consideration.
I've said multiple times that this is all hypothetical and you're taking it too seriously. It's just a mental exercise. You've posted how many times today on this topic? Any why, to "fight me at every turn" or fight "tooth and nail" to keep me out of power. You're pretty obsessed with this non-existent admin position as well.
Look dude, Reddit used to be like Voat in size. Then it reached mainstream attention and caught the attention of the mockingbird. To some degree we know they archive and scan ALL internet traffic but they probably apply a person and active touch to a fixed list of internet influencers. Reddit made their list and suddenly Aaron "kills" himself, reddit culture shifts drastically and suddenly its a bot ridden useless SJW echo chamber.
Voat is the "unofficial" Reddit alternative... you think its not on their short list along with Reddit??
If Putt isn't yet an active full time operative its only because he's been careful in not rocking the boat too much and playing within the rules. And in that case he's still under intense digital surveillance along with this whole site. CIA runs on AWS, isn't CIA = AWS? Is Voat on AWS? I mean lots of sites are but still... think about it.
Be glad Putt is not dead and that this site is still up. TBH I don't know where people like us can go that (((they))) can't eventually corrupt. Probably something we need to start thinking about, until we can do that nothing else will happen and then know it too.
Oh FFS maybe the guy just wanted to go golfing or go on a vaca with his girlfriend or something. He runs this site for free on a shoe-string budget by himself for shits and giggles so let up on him would you?
But why does he need to justify his actions and movements to you at all? He's a stranger, probably values his anonymity, and your not a paying customer so why do you deserve anything from him?
Every person who has been dedicated to this site deserve an explanation. Sure he manages the site but we built the community. The same community that donated 49 bitcoins. It's a slap in the face that we're left in the dark. I wouldn't be irritated if I didn't care about the site and more importantly it's integrity.
So what would we/you do if he came back and said "I went to Mexico for a vacation with my girlfriend for a week"? Or if you suspect the worse and he comes back and says "I was under interview with the FBI about the site"?
In either case, what can we do about it? And if he does admit he just didn't care about the site for a week because he was sunbathing on a beach somewhere, he knows he'll just get shit and shame from the users.
If that's the case im done investing my time and thoughts here. Millions in Bitcoin cashed out and can't hire someone to maintain the site if he's too busy or doesn't care. This place will be Reddit in 2 years and some of you won't even think twice about that while at the same time talking shit about Reddit.
No no no no no. A LOT of voaters literally paid for this site with crypto and free coding. He was just lucky his site was picked when reddit started to die. I appreciate his work, but he got tens of thousands of dollars in donations. And even more in free work. Putt isn't a fucking celebrity, stop treating him like one.
Who is Putt. We don't know. It could be a fucking CIA agent. Have some self respect and demand some fucking answers. We don't know what Voat even really is. We don't know anything about it beyond what we're told. Yet you just blindly accept that? Like a fucking sheep?
Who is telling you what Voat is? No one sent me a memo. I have surmised from my time here that in my opinion Voat is a blank wall that I can throw shitposts at and call out other users for their BS as well. also, Voats are Goats, not sheep. If you want sheep go back to Reddit. I don't say anything here that I don't say to people's faces. If you want to know something about me, just read my posts or ask. If someone provides you with something for free and then decides to stop, they don't owe you anything. You however, do owe them some gratitude.
Well I said we don't know anything about the website beyond what we're told. I was more or less talking about how it's presented to the public. You know, the idea that Atko and Putt created it, Atko left, etc etc. Everything that appears on the surface, not necessarily having been told to us. Maybe I phrased that poorly.
Voats are Goats, not sheep. If you want sheep go back to Reddit.
You're the one going along with the status quo. I'm asking questions. Demanding answers. Questioning whether what's on the surface is actually the reality of the website. Those aren't actions of a sheep.
If someone provides you with something for free and then decides to stop, they don't owe you anything.
Nothing in life is free. In the digital realm, if the service you're using is free, you are the product.
Why? Do you feel entitled to an explanation? That is the problem with providing things to people for free, they quickly come to expect it and become upset when it is taken away.
I know mang, it was a joke. Honestly I don't really care what Putt does. There are already some goats working on voats replacement which ideally will have a team of people/admins running the place so there isn't a single point of failure. I've already volunteered my time to help with the programming.
Putt owes nobody anything. And nobody here owes him any loyalty either. He could have distributed the workload and taken on a few other admins but he didn't. That's on him. Or the there letter agency that really runs this place, IDK.
No I get it. I was really down when voat was down. It's hard to believe that this seems like the only place on the whole wide internet where you can speak your mind. Sad really.
Hell yeah I fucking rejoiced when I saw he returned. But then he was like "I'm not going to say anything for another full day", and my rejoicing disappeared.
He said "I'll make a post after I fix a few things." Assuming he works day shift, he wouldn't have much time to fix stuff until he gets off work today. I'd expect fixing a few things could easily take a few hours, so I wouldn't expect a lengthy post until this evening at soonest.
I wasn't implying you were. I merely meant that he wouldn't have much time to do stuff last night and probably won't until this evening if he's working.
How is it less likely, lmao. Honestly, for a website like Voat a lot of you are incredibly naive. We have no idea who has access to the Putt account. No fucking idea whatsoever.
You're the one lacking in the reading comprehension department bud. I understand the words you're using. It's not any less likely. We have no idea who posted from Putts account.
Again, I've never said that it was guaranteed he was alive. We don't know if it is him. The fact that his account posting says two distinct possibilities:
1) he is alive, well, and is posting himself.
2) someone has deemed it necessary to impersonate him to the point to where they would spend time, money, and manpower in order to do so.
The second possibility seems a lot less likely to me personally because voat isn't all that significant in the grand scheme of things. If we were a lot larger, then yes, but not as we are now (at the very least, we aren't big enough to justify the hire of a hitman, hacker, active impersonator, and a myriad of other support staff to support this operation.)
Now there is another possibility: he is alive and well BUT is being coerced/has been bought out by (((them))). This we cannot know until we get more information.
So stop your concern trolling and be a faggot somewhere else.
The amount we assume about Voat is incredible. We know very little for certain. All I'm saying is that someone popping in as Putt doesn't mean anything. I'd also say that since he's reappeared he hasn't really explained anything about what happened, so that's fishy in and of itself.
There's absolutely no reason to rejoice in my opinion. Maybe if Putt had been more transparent over the past year, and let us all know what's been happening with the financials and everything else. However there's been a lot of strange shit going on and this recent downtime is just the icing on the cake for many of us who are more skeptical about what's actually happening here.
Again, I see no reason to assume he hasn't been taken out. Maybe it wasn't this past week. Might have happened last year, or even the year before. We really just have absolutely no idea.
I'm leaving every option open right now, ranging from him being "our guy" alive and well, to him being dead and replaced. His next announcement will only be further evidence to the status of Putt and the future of Voat as a whole.
The only reason I was happy to see a post from his account I the first place was because it reduced the likelyhood of someone else being ganked by the deep state. I'm not saying that it negated all possibility, just that it reduced the chances.
I guess I was mostly just saying that if he was ganked by the deep state they would probably post under his account to make it look like everything was ok. Cheers.
at the very least, we aren't big enough to justify the hire of a hitman, hacker, active impersonator, and a myriad of other support staff to support this operation.
I'm not saying that it isn't out of the question, but I am doubtful whether Voat is important enough for that sort of operation
IGiveZeroFucks ago
Two days after his return, we're still waiting on that explanation......
middle_path ago
You're funny, man. You always find a way to twist my comments and you think it's really clever. Like playing chess with a pigeon.
middle_path ago
Are you implying the zoo should be run by the animals instead of the zookeeper?
All joking aside, I actually love voaters. They're a crass bunch, but I wouldn't be here if I didn't like them. I like you in a way, and to continue with the analogy - you have a place in the food chain. Even though I think you're extremely overzealous, I know you do good here. But I prefer banter with @Crensch. He at least backs up his claims by using my own posts against me.
middle_path ago
I think my actions speak much louder than my words. Check out any of my subs and show me an abuse of power. Really, show me a single time I have taken the wheel and shown my "progressive agenda"? You've been typing about me all day, some actual research will at least help rally people behind you.
middle_path ago
I'm simply defending myself. I don't think you understand people as well as you think, quite a bawdy assumption on your part. You seem to think you're skilled at parrying points and turning them back around. I think it's honestly been pretty fun arguing with you, like listening to a 11 year old give me their theory of the world.
I've said multiple times that this is all hypothetical and you're taking it too seriously. It's just a mental exercise. You've posted how many times today on this topic? Any why, to "fight me at every turn" or fight "tooth and nail" to keep me out of power. You're pretty obsessed with this non-existent admin position as well.
middle_path ago
I think you base your "logic" on emotions. It doesn't lend you any favors.
middle_path ago
Why are they trolls, and not just users?
Pissant ago
It's pretty amazing how many people are just going along with this like everything is normal... Really makes you wonder.
Pissant ago
It's pretty crazy how people around here seem to deify someone they know absolutely nothing about.
stillinit ago
Wanting an explanation is defying? Hows your marriage?
Randomupvoat ago
He's probably completely burned-out but doesn't want to admit it. More people need to step up to help, and he needs to accept help.
aria_taint ago
I'm still not convinced voat wasn't taken over wikileaks style. Arrest or kill the top people, take over accounts, pretend all is well.
B166-ER ago
Look dude, Reddit used to be like Voat in size. Then it reached mainstream attention and caught the attention of the mockingbird. To some degree we know they archive and scan ALL internet traffic but they probably apply a person and active touch to a fixed list of internet influencers. Reddit made their list and suddenly Aaron "kills" himself, reddit culture shifts drastically and suddenly its a bot ridden useless SJW echo chamber.
Voat is the "unofficial" Reddit alternative... you think its not on their short list along with Reddit??
If Putt isn't yet an active full time operative its only because he's been careful in not rocking the boat too much and playing within the rules. And in that case he's still under intense digital surveillance along with this whole site. CIA runs on AWS, isn't CIA = AWS? Is Voat on AWS? I mean lots of sites are but still... think about it.
Be glad Putt is not dead and that this site is still up. TBH I don't know where people like us can go that (((they))) can't eventually corrupt. Probably something we need to start thinking about, until we can do that nothing else will happen and then know it too.
stillinit ago
People will only start to really care when they lose everything or worse.
SlideRule ago
Putt is a niggerfaggit
tendiesonfloor ago
Putt is dead. CIA NIGGER returns as Putt.
speedisavirus ago
I don't rejoice. I want answers.
Pissant ago
Everyone here should want answers. If we don't get some answers about what happened then yeah, something is seriously wrong.
wuzizname ago
Oh FFS maybe the guy just wanted to go golfing or go on a vaca with his girlfriend or something. He runs this site for free on a shoe-string budget by himself for shits and giggles so let up on him would you?
stillinit ago
Complete shit excuse. It takes 60 seconds to log on from a smartphone. Stop making excusing to justify things that need an explanation.
wuzizname ago
But why does he need to justify his actions and movements to you at all? He's a stranger, probably values his anonymity, and your not a paying customer so why do you deserve anything from him?
stillinit ago
Every person who has been dedicated to this site deserve an explanation. Sure he manages the site but we built the community. The same community that donated 49 bitcoins. It's a slap in the face that we're left in the dark. I wouldn't be irritated if I didn't care about the site and more importantly it's integrity.
wuzizname ago
So what would we/you do if he came back and said "I went to Mexico for a vacation with my girlfriend for a week"? Or if you suspect the worse and he comes back and says "I was under interview with the FBI about the site"?
In either case, what can we do about it? And if he does admit he just didn't care about the site for a week because he was sunbathing on a beach somewhere, he knows he'll just get shit and shame from the users.
stillinit ago
If that's the case im done investing my time and thoughts here. Millions in Bitcoin cashed out and can't hire someone to maintain the site if he's too busy or doesn't care. This place will be Reddit in 2 years and some of you won't even think twice about that while at the same time talking shit about Reddit.
wuzizname ago
49 bitcoins is worth 593,000 CAD dollars - did the community really donate that much? Do you have a citation?
I dismissed it at first but in light of this you have far more of an argument. I donated 10 bucks.
Percal ago
Where? what thread?
Percal ago
edit: Putt identified (https://voat.co/v/whatever/2513380)
burns29 ago
Remember, Putt works his ass off to provide you a free shitposting forum. He doesn't owe anyone anything you ungrateful idiots.
piratse ago
No no no no no. A LOT of voaters literally paid for this site with crypto and free coding. He was just lucky his site was picked when reddit started to die. I appreciate his work, but he got tens of thousands of dollars in donations. And even more in free work. Putt isn't a fucking celebrity, stop treating him like one.
Pissant ago
Who is Putt. We don't know. It could be a fucking CIA agent. Have some self respect and demand some fucking answers. We don't know what Voat even really is. We don't know anything about it beyond what we're told. Yet you just blindly accept that? Like a fucking sheep?
burns29 ago
Who is telling you what Voat is? No one sent me a memo. I have surmised from my time here that in my opinion Voat is a blank wall that I can throw shitposts at and call out other users for their BS as well. also, Voats are Goats, not sheep. If you want sheep go back to Reddit. I don't say anything here that I don't say to people's faces. If you want to know something about me, just read my posts or ask. If someone provides you with something for free and then decides to stop, they don't owe you anything. You however, do owe them some gratitude.
Pissant ago
Well I said we don't know anything about the website beyond what we're told. I was more or less talking about how it's presented to the public. You know, the idea that Atko and Putt created it, Atko left, etc etc. Everything that appears on the surface, not necessarily having been told to us. Maybe I phrased that poorly.
You're the one going along with the status quo. I'm asking questions. Demanding answers. Questioning whether what's on the surface is actually the reality of the website. Those aren't actions of a sheep.
Nothing in life is free. In the digital realm, if the service you're using is free, you are the product.
False.
burns29 ago
Thanks for clarifying that you truly are and ingrate whose only purpose is to attack VOAT by trying to doxx. Who pays you?
PrettyBigDouche ago
Forthrightness costs nothing so "owe" is the wrong word. An explanation is the right thing to do.
burns29 ago
Why? Do you feel entitled to an explanation? That is the problem with providing things to people for free, they quickly come to expect it and become upset when it is taken away.
PrettyBigDouche ago
Do you feel I should explain myself further to you? I provided my last post for free and now you expect me to give even more.
burns29 ago
The reply was to get you to ask that question of yourself.
PrettyBigDouche ago
I know mang, it was a joke. Honestly I don't really care what Putt does. There are already some goats working on voats replacement which ideally will have a team of people/admins running the place so there isn't a single point of failure. I've already volunteered my time to help with the programming.
Putt owes nobody anything. And nobody here owes him any loyalty either. He could have distributed the workload and taken on a few other admins but he didn't. That's on him. Or the there letter agency that really runs this place, IDK.
burns29 ago
My bad, Sarcasm is sometimes hard to spot. Alot of people in the US walk around acting so entitled these days. I was just trying to point that out.
PrettyBigDouche ago
No I get it. I was really down when voat was down. It's hard to believe that this seems like the only place on the whole wide internet where you can speak your mind. Sad really.
burns29 ago
I feel the same way.
firex726 ago
Which makes it all the more sketch when hes got donations and ads turned off.
Sure we have a little in the bank but so do I and I would not go to my boss and tell him he no longer needs to pay me since I have savings.
wuzizname ago
Because donations and ads = more work for him to do.
gramman74 ago
Best answer right here
sadguy ago
I consider the real Atko and Putt dead.
I see conspiracies everywhere.
firex726 ago
Yea, lots of odd little things which have been adding up over time.
PhilaFerret ago
My guess is that he either wants to or has already moved on but can't fully get away from what he created. I try to be an optimist.
firex726 ago
Then do like Atko and find someone else to maintain the site.
PhilaFerret ago
That is the responsible thing to do. It would also benefit Putt's reputation for future endeavors.
FuggBenis ago
Hell yeah I fucking rejoiced when I saw he returned. But then he was like "I'm not going to say anything for another full day", and my rejoicing disappeared.
gabara ago
Gene Gene made a machine,
Joe Joe made it go,
R. R. let a fart,
and blew the whole damn thing appart!
wuzizname ago
Your rhyme and cadence is bad and you should feel bad.
Gene, gene, made a machine.
Joe, Joe, made it go.
Frank, Frank, turned the crank.
Art, Art, let a fart and blew the whole damned thing apart!
CheeseboogersGhost ago
Still no update from him?
Slayfire122 ago
Well it was just last night when he first reappeared.
IGiveZeroFucks ago
How long does it take to type up an explanation?
Slayfire122 ago
He said "I'll make a post after I fix a few things." Assuming he works day shift, he wouldn't have much time to fix stuff until he gets off work today. I'd expect fixing a few things could easily take a few hours, so I wouldn't expect a lengthy post until this evening at soonest.
CheeseboogersGhost ago
I was just asking because I did not know. I'm not concern trolling although I do have suspicions now
Slayfire122 ago
I wasn't implying you were. I merely meant that he wouldn't have much time to do stuff last night and probably won't until this evening if he's working.
Fibbideh ago
We're rejoicing because it's now a lot less likely that Putt was Clinton'd. He still needs to explain a few things, but I'm just glad he isn't dead.
Pissant ago
How is it less likely, lmao. Honestly, for a website like Voat a lot of you are incredibly naive. We have no idea who has access to the Putt account. No fucking idea whatsoever.
Fibbideh ago
What is reading comprehension, anyways?
Pissant ago
You're the one lacking in the reading comprehension department bud. I understand the words you're using. It's not any less likely. We have no idea who posted from Putts account.
Fibbideh ago
Again, I've never said that it was guaranteed he was alive. We don't know if it is him. The fact that his account posting says two distinct possibilities:
1) he is alive, well, and is posting himself.
2) someone has deemed it necessary to impersonate him to the point to where they would spend time, money, and manpower in order to do so.
The second possibility seems a lot less likely to me personally because voat isn't all that significant in the grand scheme of things. If we were a lot larger, then yes, but not as we are now (at the very least, we aren't big enough to justify the hire of a hitman, hacker, active impersonator, and a myriad of other support staff to support this operation.)
Now there is another possibility: he is alive and well BUT is being coerced/has been bought out by (((them))). This we cannot know until we get more information.
So stop your concern trolling and be a faggot somewhere else.
Pissant ago
You don't cope well with people disagreeing with you hey? Grow up. You cant force everyone to see the world the way you do.
Fibbideh ago
Do you believe that none of options I presented are what happened?
Pissant ago
My original statement stands.
The amount we assume about Voat is incredible. We know very little for certain. All I'm saying is that someone popping in as Putt doesn't mean anything. I'd also say that since he's reappeared he hasn't really explained anything about what happened, so that's fishy in and of itself.
There's absolutely no reason to rejoice in my opinion. Maybe if Putt had been more transparent over the past year, and let us all know what's been happening with the financials and everything else. However there's been a lot of strange shit going on and this recent downtime is just the icing on the cake for many of us who are more skeptical about what's actually happening here.
Again, I see no reason to assume he hasn't been taken out. Maybe it wasn't this past week. Might have happened last year, or even the year before. We really just have absolutely no idea.
Also the Canary is dead, so there's that as well.
Fibbideh ago
And I'm not disagreeing with you.
I'm leaving every option open right now, ranging from him being "our guy" alive and well, to him being dead and replaced. His next announcement will only be further evidence to the status of Putt and the future of Voat as a whole.
The only reason I was happy to see a post from his account I the first place was because it reduced the likelyhood of someone else being ganked by the deep state. I'm not saying that it negated all possibility, just that it reduced the chances.
Pissant ago
I guess I was mostly just saying that if he was ganked by the deep state they would probably post under his account to make it look like everything was ok. Cheers.
Fibbideh ago
I'm not saying that it isn't out of the question, but I am doubtful whether Voat is important enough for that sort of operation
Thrus2 ago
I'm not the only one wondering why the site was down, monday I expected it to be the main thing on the front pages.
MetalAegis ago
If you found out reality was only a simulation, would it suddenly become less real to you?
PrettyBigDouche ago
Of course. Knowledge is the primary means by which we interpret reality.