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olinneserpona ago

Point 22 from Kaczynski is as true as it gets.

I can say the same about liberalism as well: if all that which should be liberated is nowliberated, liberalism will invent things to liberate or liberate things that should not be liberated.

NotHereForPizza ago

Like women and giving them rights.

I hope this isn't too soon for them

YouveSeenTheButcher ago

If it is to soon for them, this will help explain why they shouldn't be allowed to vote nor should they be allowed to enter the workforce: https://imgoat.com/uploads/8d30a95947/83886.png

JebHasCheese ago

Would it have been better for the founding fathers to have instituted a family vote then? As in a family gets the right to vote with their marraige certificate?

NeoMarxistZoomDweeby ago

Let's see if I can offer a few challenge questions to this post without being called an idiot a thousand times.

So, I agree with everything this person is saying, but I disagree on their conclusions.

What if we were to say, one family one vote, but that vote is determined by the woman? If it's truly meant to pit husband vs wife, then why not let only women vote, not men?

As for working outside of the home, I get it that it follows logically for the woman to stay home and raise the children, since they do have to give birth and women are predisposed to actually wanting to stay home and raise children whereas men are more inclined not to. However, should women be arbitrarily barred from pursuing a different coarse in life? How would men feel if they were specifically told they must spend their lives doing something they don't want to do and are absolutely banned from doing what they do want to do? I get the whole wage slave idea and how that applies to anyone, male or female. But let's not pretend that ALL women should be mothers. Some very specifically should not be. Some women, as represented in history, were of far more use to humanity by pursuing their passion than being mothers. Granted, it's been fewer females than males, and I'd wager that most women would choose to be mothers. But I think you get my point.

Let us also not candy coat the past. The truth is, women working outside the home had far more to do with industrialization than feminism. The moving of society away from agricultural life and into an industrial one is what started this whole thing. I'd have to look up specific statistics, but since the industrial revolution, most mothers have worked outside the home. I think the 1950's was the decade of the most SAHM since industrialization, and even then it was only 20-25% of mothers if memory serves.

Moreover, I don't think modern men are equipped psychologically to be the head of household providers that men of the past were. Men would have to step up in a way that very few do anymore. Granted, increased wages would help with this, but it would require an entire 180 in the way men view responsibility. So, it's not JUST a woman thing.
So, ultimately, feminism wasn't entirely borne out of the minds of evil marxists or psychopathic oligarchs. There was a genuine desire to be seen as a full fledged human being on the behalf of women. It's complicated for sure. Because feminism ultimately has harmed more than it has helped, but it's erroneous to say that from a female perspective it has done ONLY harm.

Look at it this way, what if the shoe was on the other foot? The truth is, women for most of history were always in a very precarious position. If your husband chose to leave you (and let's not pretend that men always do the right thing) or he died, you were fucked. Totally fucked. You had to rely on a brother, an uncle, maybe even a grown son for your survival. If you had none of that, then a life of prostitution was basically the only way. I mean, it wasn't some fucking storybook tale. Do some actual research. Try to understand why feminism started or at the very least, why women came to support it.

How would men feel if they were wholesale treated as sub-human? How would men feel if their entire lives depended upon the actions and kindness if the women around them? How would men feel if they were told they were too stupid, childish or otherwise inferior in every way?

Well, we already know don't we. Look at the typical male response to the average feminazi who does state such things. Not that they shouldn't be rightfully angry. But maybe then you can understand why feminism started.

In fact, I'd argue that much if the rage and anger I see from men in regards to feminism is the idea that women want to dominate men. But these same men argue the point by stating that feminists are evil and wrong because it's men that should be dominating women!

As such, I disagree with both. I personally wish for a society where men and women ARE free to choose their own life path without ridicule. Modern women are ridiculed for choosing to be SAHM, which is totally fucked. But the answer to that isn't "men need to rule women lives with an iron fist".

xenoPsychologist ago

What if we were to say, one family one vote, but that vote is determined by the woman? If it's truly meant to pit husband vs wife, then why not let only women vote, not men?

isnt that just sweden?

women working outside the home had far more to do with industrialization than feminism

absolutely false. the natural response to industrialization decreasing the need for labor and manpower isnt flooding the market with more potential workers.

I don't think modern men are equipped psychologically to be the head of household providers

what a coincidence you have there. feminism takes women out of the home and turns them into narcissistic whores and suddenly children arent being raised right to head the household, in your opinion. but no, its automatically mens fault. its not like they arent already responsible for and blamed for everything else. nope, gotta make sure women never have to be responsible for anything at all. especially in an age where their jobs are easier than ever before. they have it so hard. the struggle is real.

You had to rely on a brother, an uncle, maybe even a grown son

and, as men, they took up the burden. go figure. and if you have nothing other than prostitution to offer the world, thats what you have to work with.

How would men feel if they were wholesale treated as sub-human

they are. thats something women in the western world never had to deal with. thats african and asian nonsense right there. women were practically worshiped in the west. and they didnt have to suffer and die for it.

feminism didnt come from women being oppressed. go visit an african or muslim country to get a taste of real oppression. western womens BS excuses for oppression are a joke. feminism was born from the conscious decision to destroy human civilization. its why isreal stamps that out every time it shows its face there.

your refutations are bogus at best.

Fagtardicus ago

wtf is this?

it aint showing up in source

xenoPsychologist ago

what you do is at the bottom of your comment you type *[, then all the words you want to have the mouseover text on (exactly as they appear), then ]:

follow that colon up with what you want the mouseover text to be, and thats it.

i think that markdown is meant to be used for clarifying abbreviations or making notes or something.

asterisk, open bracket, your words, close bracket, colon, secret words.

Fagtardicus ago

well neato, and i thought a crawly had snuck onto my shit without me noticing

xenoPsychologist ago

the comments here have more interesting bits, even though the op deleted his account.

NeoMarxistZoomDweeby ago

Not really sure why I even bothered. At least you showed me why discourse is basically impossible with you larping alt-righters.

You're "movement" will never get anywhere. Not when you denigrate half of the population of the fucking world. For the record, I'm not a feminist. I actively despise them. But guys like you, who say things like "women are overgrown children" etc. etc. are the EXACT reasons young women hate you. Not because they're brainwashed, but because they don't appreciate being called garbage or sub-human because they were born with a vagina instead of a dick.

Keep it up though. The one woman who runs the trad wives sub has got you're back.

Just treat people the way you'd want to be treated. If you would rather blow your head off than live in a world where you are required to be subservient to women, why would you expect women to be ok with this? I'm not stupid, I'm not degenerate, and I'm not sub-human.

But go ahead and think that you'll ever get anywhere with such an attitude.

No psychologically healthy man would want a subservient worm as a wife, any more than a psychologically healthy woman would want a subservient worm as a husband.

Fagtardicus ago

stopped reading @ larping alt-righters, since you obviously dont have anything important to say

xenoPsychologist ago

You're "movement

what movement? you dont know me and your assertions (insults) are incorrect.

denigrate half of the population of the fucking world

i did nothing of the kind. stop lying.

For the record, I'm not a feminist. I actively despise them

youve given me no reason to believe you.

young women hate you

again. you dont know me.

guys like you

you dont know me. i doubt you read anything i said. perhaps, women like you shouldnt act like children when they come to the adult discussion table.

called garbage or sub-human

id didnt call anyone any of those things. thats quite an accusation.

Just treat people the way you'd want to be treated. If you would rather blow your head off than live in a world where you are required to be subservient to women

again. you dont know me. try making an adult refutation instead of a flimsy, off script personal attack. are women incapable of discussion things without acting like children? the world may never know. but i do know you have a fixation on sub-humanity. hmm... very interesting indeed.

But go ahead and think that you'll ever get anywhere with such an attitude

you are so desperately insistent that ill "never get anywhere". you dont know me or where ive been.

No psychologically healthy man would want a subservient worm as a wife, any more than a psychologically healthy woman would want a subservient worm as a husband

thats quite a dramatic claim to make. and. as usual, i never even remotely implied i or anyone else wanted that. dont. be. stupid.

NeoMarxistZoomDweeby ago

Have fun with your idiotic movement, you piles of shit.

If the white man is anything like the piles of dogshit that frequent this site, I'd rather see you all die out.

You are all pathetic. You blame Jews, blacks, women, anyone but yourselves for your pathetic existence.

I was on your side, believe it or not. But the sheer idiocy, vileness and pathetic hatred of everything under the sun has fervently changed my mind.

Keep on keepin on. The liberals might drive people here, but you pathetic little worms will drive them right back out.

Oh, and Hiltler did plenty wrong. Learn a little about your weasely little man child besides "muh jeewwwwwewssss!".

xenoPsychologist ago

idiotic movement

what movement? whose movement?

You blame Jews, blacks, women, anyone but yourselves for your pathetic existence

wrong again. we made civilization. we are tired of you retards tearing it down. knock it off.

I was on your side, believe it or not

what you said before disagrees with you. its right up there in the comments. you are a liar.

pathetic hatred

the only one being hateful here is you. im just calling you out on your obvious stupidity and lies.

Hiltler did plenty wrong

well, duh. he wasnt successful. and im not even a huge fan. i just recognize evil when i see it. after all, i stopped to talk with a shrill harpy just last night. that harpy was you.

if you actually knew me, youd know how to successfully insult me instead of reading from your script. you can stop being stupid any time now. its unbecoming. how will you land a rich husband if youre just gonna flail around like an idiot and be inconsistent of logic all through the conversation?

YouveSeenTheButcher ago

"The Modern Woman", ladies and gentlemen.

Clean yourself up!
/v/TraditionalWives

NeoMarxistZoomDweeby ago

Yep. Pretty much what I expected.

YouveSeenTheButcher ago

And the arrogance in the assumption you make thinking I give a fuck about what you expect from anything.
I'm not here to fulfill your expectations.

YouveSeenTheButcher ago

All the shit you say has been argued against a million times over. It's readily available information. If you think I'm going to waste my fucking time just to entertain you, you can go fuck yourself.
You're not special. You have questions about your own opinions? Look it up your damn self.

You better be prepared to go to war for what you believe. Men are not going to fight for women like you.
Men fight for for their wives and children. Not the "Independent woman" down the street.
Even now your unjustifiably benefiting from the men whose lives were sacrificed for the sake of their own family.

You want to live in a feminist state? Move to Sweden.

olinneserpona ago

That was a good read, but there is one thing I don't understand and I see it in American politics all the time. When the author talks about liberalism and conservatism as opposites it he must be wrong? The very thing American conservatives are trying to preserve is liberalism, is it not? I've never understood what American conservatism is all about if it isn't the preservation of liberalism(or classic liberalism).

YouveSeenTheButcher ago

Conservatism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community.

Liberalism thinks the community should be in consonance with the individual despite the individuals contribution. They think the community should contribute to the individual rather than the individual contribute to the community.

olinneserpona ago

Conservatism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community.

That is liberalism, or classic liberalism. The liberalism you describe is Marxism.

I could ask it in a better way: which or what ideology is conservatism trying to conserve? The 'conservatives' of the future will try to conserve the madness of todays liberalism. That is why I don't see conservatism as a winning option: it will always be on the defensive against forces that are built in in the ideology it is trying to preserve. Marxists/neo libs, whatever, they know this and are taking advantage of it. They are fooling conservatives into thinking conservatism can win. That is why liberalism is able to push degeneracy further and further with each generation.

YouveSeenTheButcher ago

That is liberalism, or classic liberalism.

No it isn't. It's socially conscious nationalism.

The liberalism you describe is Marxism.
Yea.That's what liberalism is all about now-a-days.

I could ask it in a better way: which or what ideology is conservatism trying to conserve? The 'conservatives' of the future will try to conserve the madness of todays liberalism. That is why I don't see conservatism as a winning option: it will always be on the defensive against forces that are built in in the ideology it is trying to preserve. Marxists/neo libs, whatever, they know this and are taking advantage of it. They are fooling conservatives into thinking conservatism can win. That is why liberalism is able to push degeneracy further and further with each generation.

No...
You want me to explain to you what Conservatism is?
Instead of guessing... Look it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

olinneserpona ago

The liberalism you describe is Marxism. Yea.That's what liberalism is all about now-a-days.

No you don't get to decide what liberalism is. Liberalism is not Marxism and Marxism is not liberalism. I can see how this must be the case for you to have an argument though.

No... You want me to explain to you what Conservatism is? Instead of guessing... Look it up.

Yes. it is trying to conserve the ideas of Mill and the like. You had the chance to tell me what political ideology and ides conservatism is trying to conserve. If you don't know this then that's fine, but don't give me an attitude and expect this to go anywhere, god damn brat.

YouveSeenTheButcher ago

Go have some kids you fucking freak.