Yesterday, after this debacle, I added a rule about Comment Abuse for the sake of clarity.
The Voat User Agreement requires us all to Respect Other Users, both their privacy and their freedom of speech. People who work hard on their research submissions shouldn't have their work overshadowed, their free speech suppressed, and the discussion of their submission derailed by off-topic rants, flame wars or copypasta spam in the Comment section. It's not right.
This has actually been in place for several months under Voat's Sitewide Rules. If you check the banlog, you will see that Putt added the Voat User Agreement to the rule violations list moderators can cite some time ago, and Donkey and his many alts were banned for comment abuse under that -- at the request of multiple users -- after he impersonated another user to discredit her research. TrustTheTruth was also banned for comment abuse under the Voat UA spam clause because he spammed the same longwinded, evidence-free rants over and over again, regardless of the submission topic.
It's now spelled out in our sidebar. Thoughts?
Edit: Link to banlog fixed.
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kestrel9 ago
I believe the rule reflecting the Voat User Agreement should stay, but I'm going to consider alternatives for the name and/or the definition. 'Abusive comments' seems so broad that it could encompass just about anything. That title can cause more contention than the rule is supposed to help circumvent.
But having a rule to reflect what it's intended to accomplish is important, as current situation does demonstrate (no I am not planning on spending hours to forensically dissect the arguments over the @darkknight111 post where @Nomochomo decided to protest issues belonging somewhere else. I believe he stated that he used @darkknight111 post as a venue for his own agenda and initially didn't put effort into the research at hand to bring the original post into compliance with the rules about what constitutes a PG relevant post. The initial two links he provided as "research" did not accomplish the effort warranted in that situation, and clearly he didn't want to put in the time then to make it clear the links did accomplish that, and as it so happened, they didn't imo. Should I have to spend an hour or more combing through long involved links to tease out and apply a litmus test to the tiny bit of info that may or not hold up under the scrutiny of the case in hand because one user presenting it to a mod says it holds up? No. Are the mods supposed to do that for the user? No.
Did I have to spend way more time then I ever wanted to just make that last statement? Yes. Or I wouldn't have said it. Is this how a research board is supposed to operate? Not in my opinion no. Did it disrupt time spent on my own research? Yes, but since it became such an issue on the board, it seemed necessary to comment about it here.
Does the silence on behalf of researchers to comment in on the thread demonstrate a support of one side or the other over mod practices? No. In my case it only meant that I hoped there would be a return to the research, without the disruptions arguing the finer points of what constitutes a disruption (yet AGAIN, for the bizillionth time on voat research subs). In fact if a user hasn't been around long enough to make such distinctions perhaps they should be required to read the VOLUMES of arguing over it as opposed to presuming that every other user is supposed to litigate their disagreements for them. I've backed down when I've been in disagreement over interpreting research because it seemed at the time to benefit the board members (to refrain from further argument) in an area that became subjective, not empirically conclusive.
The goal is to be able to maintain the integrity of board in respect to the purpose of posting research that fits the criterion and discussing that. That takes an amount of 'in good faith' motivation, meaning that as individuals with a common purpose, we try to recognize the difference in our own motives with just as fine a tooth comb, as we are willing to subject others to our interpretation over their motives.
And within PG I presume one situation the 'No comment abuse' rule is supposed to circumvent is when posts are used to further personal agendas against other users, under the guise of "oh I'm just trying to research" when it's clear to the average researcher that the research is no longer the issue within the controversy a given dispute. PG researchers have gone through time and again dealing with the disruptions of personal agendas (@Esotericshade sticky stands as monument to that).
I will put time into considering a better title and/or definition of rule 5, 'No comment abuse', but my vote is to keep the rule for the time being.
Crensch ago
Fucking well said. Far more time and effort put into that than NOMO deserves, and look how he shit all over it as if you hadn't presented any information or content whatsoever. Just another platform for him to spit his narrative over and over again.
@vindicator this is the first actual researcher that has publicly responded here.
I think it's very clear that @NOMOCHOMO has no intention of being honest about any of this. Not only does he seemed to think he has done nothing wrong, but he also pretends to not see the content presented to him. Nobody else's opinions, thoughts, explanations, or ideas are valid to him.
I stand by my original judgement of this user and the timing of his showing up: he is, and has been, part of the esoteric group.
NOMOCHOMO ago
says the man doing the banning.
kestrel9 ago
Not quite true @shewhomustbeobeyed also thought your assumption was off base from start regarding the @darkknight111 post meeting the existing PG rules for posts (not saying she's a fan of @crensch or supports his moderation style).
After 8 days, you still have ignored the need to provide the info to justify the two links you originally provided as evidence before you completely made yourself the center of attention, claiming to be a victim. Those links you put up as if they made a point that you never spelled out, and you became indignant when questioned. I don't think you ever bothered to read the links, seems a fair minimum of commitment PG users could reasonably expect from someone who hangs his hat on ignoring others unless they demonstrate to you that they read 'all the evidence' about your ban for being belligerent and unhelpful and not providing evidence that supports what you claim it did.
But by all means, please make your case.
How should the info on Ed Buck within these links have changed the status of the "24 hour" flair that was given 8 days ago?
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NOMOCHOMO ago
I would have made my case, if asked, instead I was banned.
But thanks for asking....seriously....Mods banned me for not providing more info (besides the previous submissions.)
I actually think Buck is obviously relevant to pgate, which is why I provided those links:
first link: Savile->Process church (satanic church disguised as an animal rights org)->Ed Buck
Pedo Jim was a member of a fake animal charity that is a cover for Satanism, Ed Buck supports the same "charity"
2nd link includes this comment:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2060461/10166909
Which I provided as 3rd link that I also commented on Darkknight's post: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3432234/20632100
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2054740/10145498
TLDR: Many previous submitters have already established Buck as relevant....Including a post that was misspelled so it's harder to locate.
Providing those articles allows @Darkknight111 to edit in the relevant portions.