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BrennKommando ago

because the angel investor Putt announced last year "must" be the VPN provider that offered free trials to a few goats, PIA, despite zero evidence of that being true.

Scroll down to How can I contact you? and look up the email address that used to be [email protected] but is now [email protected]. Now scroll down to Technology and there you will find the link to the domain edon.garden. Then have a look around Here. Those are facts!

The part about Voat shutting down or rebranding to a Jew friendly version on the other hand is admittedly still just speculation on my part. Between Putt distancing himself from Voat, cynabuns also disappearing, Voat being overrun by spambots and actual shills no longer needing ccp to post and statements from another PIA related asset such as this, you have to admit something is terribly off with the state of Voat. Something that to me looks very much like by design.

I could be wrong of course, let's hope I am, but if I'm right there are people here on Voat that deserve a fair chance to set up a backup plan.

argosciv ago

Furthermore, why is it that you are using an "about" link which is not the current "about" link used in the site's footer as the basis for this fear of Voat being compromised?

@Vindicator @Crensch @EricKaliberhall @MadWorld @PuttItOut

Vindicator ago

Furthermore, why is it that you are using an "about" link which is not the current "about" link used in the site's footer as the basis for this fear of Voat being compromised?

On December 12, 2019 someone archived voat.co/about/content and it looks exactly like it does today -- no "edon".

Archive.fo has a bunch of snaps of several different voat.co/about urls

There are also about/ and about/intro urls. Not to mention a bunch of different content/about urls.

So what is the difference between the two about urls? Where does the /about url link from, since it's not the link at the bottom of the page? Who first found it and how did they find it, since it's not the About page linked at the bottom of the screen?

@BrennKommando Thoughts?

BrennKommando ago

Ehh.. I'm about to head to bed shortly, but this was the topic where we stumbled upon the edon thingy. We're a bit all over the place so it might be difficult to read through. One problem we had with finding exact dates was that public access got turned off and archive.today hadn't yet set up the camfex account so there are some unknowns in there we simply couldn't find.

I'll have a look at it tomorrow.

Vindicator ago

Wow. That page is cancer. My eyes! o_0

So Nadesha was the first person to find it?

Okay if you want to read how I got here: archive of the thread is here: archive.md/gW3iB

There is no archive at that location. I find that highly suspicious. It's also highly suspicious the submission was deleted.

Also, I couldn't see anything on that page that showed where on Voat one clicks to end up at /about instead of /content/about.

What are the odds Putt tweaked a non-used About url just to fuck with the Gangs of Voat? Can't help wondering if maybe this was his way of creeping out nefarious Voat abusers like Kev and EsotericShade so they'd kill their accounts.

Deshy ago

There is no archive at that location. I find that highly suspicious. It's also highly suspicious the submission was deleted.

Naw someone overwrote it:

See here: https://voat.co/v/SoapboxBanhammer/3584786/21937038

This is how I stumbled on it.

@argosciv I believe @sandhog was the first, that I know of, to notice something but I only found this out afterwards.

Searchvoat by term: Edon /oldest indicates that I'm not the only one nor the first one, I think, to notice this.

https://searchvoat.co/?t=Edon&o=on

The post was deleted as a lot of evidence was circumstantial at the time and I was not keen on spreading fires where there wasn't any need.

Putts had made comments shortly after this so kinda left it there as life got busy.

https://voat.co/u/PuttItOut/comments

It’s only been two months since he last said something public. @peaceseeker just being curious but what is the longest Putts has been quiet, that you know of?

argosciv ago

The post was deleted as a lot of evidence was circumstantial at the time and I was not keen on spreading fires where there wasn't any need.

Ah, so it's everyone else who ran with it and cooked up a new "VOAT COMPROMISED!" narrative then, because they do indeed just want to see Voat burn.

The question is, though, how did you find your way to the old "about" page – given that it stopped being used in the site footer as of July 14th 2019 (months before your post)?

Deshy ago

I managed to copy my first post as my edit was overwritten when someone archived it.

Here I was speaking to @terannotterran about that very thing -> https://voat.co/v/SoapboxBanhammer/3584786/21937038

Seriously a stumble upon as you read through the mumbo jumbling waffling you’ll see I added a mere line or two about it.

Yes, finding it disturbed me a bit but I didn’t know enough about it to go hollering off the rooftops, I was hoping someone could fill me in more.

So you noticed it in the code a long time ago?

Well when talking to several tech dudes, some plug-ins presented themselves as candidates for a potential option to the in-code Edon mentions.

@chempergrill might know more here.

Secondly, an optional thought at the time, Putts could have wanted to broaden his work portfolio by adding Edon to the code work as a front for future business as the name Voat doesn’t always win interviews I would think.

Or, another idea that I recall, the funding was a venture that PIA lost interest in and it literally fizzled out as what happens often in the tech world.

This could have really knocked Putts’ confidence back on top of all the drama. I genuinely hope he is doing okay.

Aneeway, that’s as far as my thinking got. When Putts said he is the only one that has access to the keys of Voat. I believed him, seriously what else can one do... I still have faith in him, I hope it’s not in vain...

Vindicator ago

Naw someone overwrote it:

What do you mean "someone overwrote it"? That's not how archive.fo works. It makes an additional capture. You can see them all if you put an asterisk at the end of the base url. There are some submissions on here where I have made numerous archives of the same post over time in order to document vote brigading, so I know this to be true.

Furthermore, there was no archive of that url at all.

Deshy ago

You can see them all if you put an asterisk at the end of the base url.

I didn’t know that. Thanks.

That must be bum archive link, sorry.

I found the original post here: https://archive.ph/qW3iB

Unless your talking about another url??

Vindicator ago

I found the original post here: https://archive.ph/qW3iB

Unless your talking about another url??

Thanks. But that's not the link you provided at the top of this post, which @BrennKommando said was where this whole thing started.

In that thread, you said:

Okay if you want to read how I got here: archive of the thread is here: archive.md/gW3iB

But that link, https://archive.md/gW3iB, the original evidence cited in your December submission, goes nowhere.

I found the original post here: https://archive.ph/qW3iB

Now you are giving a link that has the same url ending as the link you gave on December 30, 2019 in the SBBH post? This archive.ph link just goes to your original Edon Garden submission, not where you found the evidence you cite that led you to make it.

Why are you going round and round in circles?

I'd like to know how you found the unused /about page mentioning "edon" if it has never been linked from Voat. Or I'd like to see evidence of it being linked from Voat and where on Voat that happened.

Edit: links added

BrennKommando ago

From memory.. @Deshy found the alternative "about" link from looking at old posts. For the sake of it, she was also then one that talked me out of dropping the doxx 2 months ago.

I suspect that she disapprove of me dropping the doxx, but she's not me and I'm not her. I'm still not sure I made the right call either.

Other than that I don't think I understand your question?

Vindicator ago

From memory.. @Deshy found the alternative "about" link from looking at old posts.

Yes. That is what I would like to know. Which old posts? The one she cites in the deleted 12/30/2019 submission is a link that goes nowhere. See the links in the comment of mine you just replied to.

When I asked where she found the "edon" info, she linked me to that 12/30 submission, not the source material for it.

No one has been able to say where on Voat they found a link to the unused /about page that had "edon" on it. In @Deshy's original 12/30 submission, @Rotteauxx just pops up with a SearchVoat of previous comments mentioning it. None of those explain how that page was found, or offer any actual replicatable evidence of their claims, either.

In my experience, when you have inflammatory claims made by difficult-to-vet submissions based on broken links or information presented by deleted accounts, eyebrows should go up.

Deshy ago

https://archive.ph/JOfUn

Is this what you are talking about?

Vindicator ago

No. I was talking about what you have waved off as a "bum link". In that submission, you gave a bad link to show how you'd come to your conclusion. Now you are saying @Sandhog DMed it to you.

All this going around and around ends up in one place: No one can show when or where that unused /about page ever linked from Voat.

Sandhog said he thought it linked from the faq or User Agreement pages, but both of those pages are /content/ urls. Neither of them has links to the About information, other than the link that is on the bottom of every page of Voat, which is also a /content/ url. Nor has anyone put up any archives showing links to the About section ever in the text of thos pages.

@BrennKommando @argosciv

Deshy ago

You seem confused, sorry about that. Conversations with Argo in this thread just pointed to Sandhog finding it first, that’s all.

Scan to the bottom of these pages to see the Edon links and the dates shown when they were live and archived.

Photo: https://files.catbox.moe/xqm353.png

Archive link: https://archive.ph/https://voat.co/about

Still not sure I understand what you are referring too if this ain’t it.

Man just ELI5 me Sir. I aint too proud for you to break it down, let’s hope yer patient unless you are in a rush with this for some reason...

@brennkommando @rotteuxx @argosviv

Vindicator ago

No, I'm not confused at all. I asked for some kind of evidence showing those /about pages were ever linked to from anywhere on Voat. Clearly, they exist. However, there is no evidence they have ever been "in use".

Putt said after the last DDoS that there was a mole. Someone he trusted wasn't trustworthy. If that person was someone who had the ability to edit old UI pages at some point without anyone realizing it, the unused /about page could easily have been tampered with so that it could later be cited to undermine confidence in Voat.

Therefore, if we want to get to the bottom of what is going on, whoever first found that page needs to be identified and needs to explain exactly how they found it.

Otherwise, this whole thing -- especially this "confusion" -- just looks like disinfo pushing. We've seen it a thousand times on v/pizzagate since November 2016.

SandHog ago

Heya Vin, as I said elsewhere in this thread, I discovered it by following a link from either the FAQ or User Agreement pages. From what @Deshy linked farther up the thread, this archive from May 24, 2019 shows that it definitely used to link to the 'edon About' page. I discovered it sometime in late November and found it curious so I poked around and found the edon website and not much else.

The next archive is from December 30, 2019 and the links have been changed to their current state.

Which means that the links had to have been changed sometime after I found them in November (around Thanksgiving or so) and when it was archived again on December 30.

I had reached out to Deshy in an attempt to try and piece together the truth in all of this 'drama' and figure out what was really going on because it is blatantly obvious that someone is working hard at running people and communities off of this site and has been for quite some time. At the time, that thread happened to be at the top of her comments so I brought it up when I reached out to her. I also reached out to @MadWorld around then since he knows a ton of the goings on around here.

The most curious thing to me is that someone chose to archive that page in May and then this smear sub was created shortly after and used as an attack vector on @Crensch, srayzie, GA and anyone else who had the temerity to object to what zyklon and his pack of goons was doing.

I posit that the timing of those two things are not coincidental and that the people involved in the creation and operation of that sub have some questions to answer.

Pinging other interested parties: @argosciv @BrennKommando

MadWorld ago

tl;dr: I think someone who Putt trusted or someone from git service edited the now abandoned about page.

So I was digging around and found the following info and reached my own conclusion.

Voat's old footer in-use timeframe: 2015 to 2019-07-13

advertise donate API about(voat.co/about) faq markdown source code:

2019-07-13(last known) https://web.archive.org/web/20190713073120/https://voat.co/

...

2015-xx-xx https://web.archive.org/web/20150211023818/https://voat.co/v/all

Voat's new footer in-use timeframe: 2019-07-13 to now

donations api source code about(voat.co/content/about) markdown faq:

about(voat.co/content/about) markdown faq

2019-07-13 19:32:06 (first known) https://web.archive.org/web/20190713193206/https://voat.co/

Voat's footer change on devel site:

2019-06-15 voat.co/content/about https://archive.fo/QDcRu

2019-06-07 voat.co/about https://archive.fo/uHYPq

Voat's voat.co/about page timeframe:

No reference to Edon Garden

2019-07-12 (last known) https://web.archive.org/web/20190712055442/https://voat.co/about

...

2015-02-25 https://web.archive.org/web/20150225160306/https://voat.co/about

Edon Garden reference found:

2019-12-30(first known) https://archive.ph/JOfUn (https://archive.ph/https://voat.co/about)

The old footer was updated from voat.co/about to voat.co/content/about after @PuttItOut's coming in hot update. On the devel site, the new footer was set in place between 2-10-06-07 and 2019-06-15. Note that the old voat.co/about page has been there since forever, up to 2019-12 (last known) and the footer has being in-use until last major update around 2019-07-13. It was already decided that the footer would be updated to use voat.co/content/about page on 2019-06-15 or earlier. So the new content was already there, without reference to Edon Garden. It does not make any sense to edit the voat.co/about page to sabotage Voat's own reputation and "expose" PIA as the "angel investor", let alone doing it in an unused page. This stinks a third party's attempt to damage Voat's reputation.

So Voat was "somehow" connected to PIA, via londontrustmedia .com conveniently linked back to imperialfamily .com. But did you know that this imperialfamily domain was rarely in-use?

The imperialfamily domain was originally owned by someone, for the purpose of sharing family connection

domain in 2004, a family reunion site: https://web.archive.org/web/20040219101751/http://imperialfamily.com/main_frameset.htm

"Welcome to the Imperial Family Website. This website was started in the summer of 2000 as a way for family members to keep in touch with each other. The Imperial Clan today is quite extensive in number, and located all over the world. "

It was under construction for a good number of years, between 2002 and 2005. The domain was abandoned and most in park/unused up to 2013-04-12. It was re-purposed on 2008-08-06:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200302105359/https://www.whois.com/whois/imperialfamily.com

Registered On: 2008-09-06

Updated On: 2019-11-07

Expires On: 2021-09-06

So we can see that for the most of its time, this domain was more or less empty, until around 2019-11-23, where the magic home page was set up, which connected both PIA and Edon Garden. By extension, Voat got connected to those entities via an unused/abandoned about page. Very little info was indexed by search engines, including google. This smells like a setup for the purpose of connecting Voat to now kike owned entity.

Speaking of Edon Garden(edon.garden), did you know that it has a subdomain setup to serve git repository? It has been in operation for 8 months (2019-06-12).

https://archive.li/Od55j

GitLab Edon Edition

Open source software to collaborate on code

Manage Git repositories with fine-grained access controls that keep your code secure. Perform code reviews and enhance collaboration with merge requests. Each project can also have an issue tracker and a wiki.

Based on how happy @PuttItOut has been, using PIA as his VPN service at one point, I believe he may have switched his git repo service to fountain.edon.garden as well. So now we have another element in this connection.

So how that unused/abandoned page got changed?! I came up with a few plausible ways:

  1. The now-abandoned page was edited by another Voat user and Putt just updated it without proofreading. I remember that someone was volunteering this work sometime back, to either improve the user agreement page and/or the about page. If it was the about page, Putt would have to copy and edit the content from old page to the new one.

  2. Putt edited it himself. IF he did, why has it not been reflected on the new voat.co/content/about page? And why edit the old page that has not been touched with Edon Garden reference for years?? So that is not very probable.

  3. Given the above connections, Putt may have used Edon Garden's git repository before the update took place. At some point that old about page may have been tempered with, by someone who has access to the repository. This would imply that someone who has had contributed to Voat's codebase, someone who Putt may have trusted, may have added the Edon Garden reference at some point, or someone with admin access from fountain.edon.garden.

  4. The site has vulnerability and someone edited the about page. I would imagine that if someone could do that, he would inflict more damage than just editing some words.

Overall, I think #3 is a more plausible cause of change to that voat.co/about page. But still, who the fuck would change an abandoned about page to sabotage its own reputation and expose its own angel investor? It makes zero sense.

SandHog ago

Damn. That's compelling. I guess the question is: who has keys to the kingdom aside from Putt? If it's not Putt doing it (and him doing that makes absolutely no sense to me) then who is?

All I know is that the link to the 'edon' welcome page was active late November because that's how I discovered it and the archives prove it. As an aside, I wonder who it was that downvoated my previous comment. Surely it was either someone I pinged or someone that has been closely monitoring this three day old thread. That's one thing that Poal has right. You should be able to see who is downvoating you.

Transparency is the best anesthetic.

Vindicator ago

Heya Vin, as I said elsewhere in this thread, I discovered it by following a link from either the FAQ or User Agreement pages. From what @Deshy linked farther up the thread, this archive from May 24, 2019 shows that it definitely used to link to the 'edon About' page. I discovered it sometime in late November and found it curious so I poked around and found the edon website and not much else.

That May 24 archive doesn't mention "edon" anywhere that I can see. :-/

All I know is that the link to the 'edon' welcome page was active late November because that's how I discovered it and the archives prove it.

I'm sorry Sandhog, maybe I'm a retard but I didn't see anywhere that archives proved that Voat.co ever linked to the "edon" edited About page. I've looked at about six dozen archives over the past 48 hours (as have @MadWorld and @argosciv), and the archives prove that "edon" was only mentioned on that voat.co/about page months after Voat stopped linking to it on July 13, 2019.

Furthermore, zero evidence has been presented that the FAQ and User Agreement pages ever linked to the About page. I cite these pages regularly when explaining Voat policies to new users in v/pizzagate, and I have never seen hyperlinks to the About page. Nor has anyone shown any Wayback Machine archives of either of those pages showing they were ever linked to Voat.co/about.

If you look at the archives for the day that Putt made the big code update, July 13, 2019, you can see he created new pages for the FAQ and User Agreement at the same time he moved About from voat.co/about to voat.co/content/about. The FAQ and User Agreement pages moved from the voat.co/help/ url to voat.co/content/ url. Take a look:

It's as obvious as day and night that Putt migrated those pages from the /help/ url to the /content/ url and stopped using the /help/url on July 13.

Nor do the archives immediately prior to the url move vs. immediately after it support Voat ever linking to an "edon" page. Take a look:

However, ten days AFTER the July 13 url change when Voat.co stopped linking to it as shown by this Wayback Machine archive from July 23rd, the abandoned User Agreement page was changed to include mentions of "edon".

The live User Agreement page on that day, the one that actually linked from the Voat footer, as you can replicate by going to any Voat page archive of July 23rd and hovering over the User Agreement link in the footer to see the url, doesn't mention "edon" at all.

There was no way to get to the old About page or the old User Agreement page that was changed to include "edon" sometime after July 13 from any link on Voat in the footer, the FAQ or the User Agreement. That's what the archives show.

So, what did you click in late November 2019 as you've said that took you to that page?

November 30 the footer links to /content/UserAgreement. Go to the bottom of that page and hover over the User Agreement link in the footer. There were quite a few Voat.co captures in November 2019, check the footers. For the life of me, I can find no links to it until Nadesh's scrubbed submission.

MadWorld ago

A note for the about page, it was already decided at least way back to 2019-06-15 that voat.co/content/about was replacing old voat.co/about page. So it made no sense for @PuttItOut to edit that soon-to-be-abandoned page.

However, ten days AFTER the July 13 url change when Voat.co stopped linking to it as shown by this Wayback Machine archive from July 23rd, the abandoned User Agreement page was changed to include mentions of "edon".

I would like to point out that something else was also very interesting. The versions of document included an update section, documenting the last action taken. By using tools, such as content comparator, one could highlight the changes made to different versions of the document. You can verify the following on your own:

CONTENT OF USER AGREEMENT

Timeframe: 2016-10-27 to 2017-02-02

1. 2016-10-27 https://web.archive.org/web/20161027032751/https://voat.co/help/useragreement

2. 2017-02-02 https://web.archive.org/web/20170202204316/https://voat.co/help/useragreement

Content changes:

1. Varies formatting, mostly to correct grammatical errors, such as change "voat" to "Voat".

2. No other content had been modified, except the update section, which documents the changes made to the user agreement.

This Privacy Policy was last updated on: 2017-01-11 (formatting). Should we update, amend or make any changes to our privacy policy, those changes will be posted here. This user agreement is effective as of May 9, 2014.

Timeframe: 2017-02-02 to 2018-03-08

1. 2017-02-02 https://web.archive.org/web/20170202204316/https://voat.co/help/useragreement

2. 2018-03-08 https://web.archive.org/web/20180308194712/https://voat.co/help/useragreement

Content changes:

1. No content change detected.

Timeframe: 2018-03-08 to 2019-07-12

1. 2018-03-08 https://web.archive.org/web/20180308194712/https://voat.co/help/useragreement

2. 2019-07-12 https://web.archive.org/web/20190712055442/https://voat.co/help/useragreement

Content changes:

1. No content change detected.

Timeframe: 2019-07-12 to 2019-07-23

1. 2019-07-12 https://web.archive.org/web/20190712055442/https://voat.co/help/useragreement

2. 2019-07-23 https://web.archive.org/web/20190723190323/https://voat.co/help/useragreement

Content changes:

1. "Edon" reference was edited into the document.

2. "[email protected]" was changed to "[email protected]"

3. "[email protected]" was changed to "[email protected]"

4. "[email protected]" was changed to "[email protected]"

5. No other changes had been made, including the Update section of the user agreement.

This Privacy Policy was last updated on: 2017-01-11 (formatting). Should we update, amend or make any changes to our privacy policy, those changes will be posted here. This user agreement is effective as of May 9, 2014.

I encourage users to verify this info for themselves. It is very strange that this document had not been modified for a very long time, besides that minor formatting, and yet suddenly changed all Voat reference to Edon Garden. And yet, no change made to the document's Update section.

I suspect that the admin of the fountain[xx].edon.garden (subdomain of edon.garden, AKA Edon Garden), who has the access to git repo, tempered with Voat's about and user agreement pages. At best case, they only had maliciously edited those two pages. But signs pointed to the worse case, where Voat's source code may have been sabotaged to an unknown state. There were UI changes, SearchVoat's searchbox being gone is one. I suspect this is due to Putt's rollback of the source code to an earlier version. @argosciv may be able to confirm it, as he likes to poke around the UI frontend.

When we were chatting on the previews site, he was happy when he was getting ready to push this major update to the main site. He was even very excited to create a subdomain, soon.voat.co, to test if things break. Then why all of a sudden, he stopped deploying this major update? I believe this was because he detected that Voat's source code was been sabotaged, very likely by Edon Garden's git repository service, the entity that is connected to PIA and KAPE.

I have reached my own conclusion that Voat was setup by those kike owned entities. I do not believe they are Voat's angel investor, despite other shills' constant push for "Voat is compromised" narratives.

https://archive.fo/6IBj0#selection-1929.37-1929.97

@PuttItOut, sorry about the trouble and the kikes' infiltration, if this is the case :-)

argosciv ago

@Vindicator's comment:

However, ten days AFTER the July 13 url change when Voat.co stopped linking to it as shown by this Wayback Machine archive from July 23rd, the abandoned User Agreement page was changed to include mentions of "edon".

That VERY archive's footer also shows the new /content/useragreement link... ironic, no?

So, what did you click in late November 2019 as you've said that took you to that page?

One more time for emphasis...

So, what did [SandHog] click in late November 2019 as [he] said that took [him] to that page?

MadWorld's comment:

I suspect that the admin of the fountain[xx].edon.garden (subdomain of edon.garden, AKA Edon Garden), who has the access to git repo, tempered with Voat's about and user agreement pages.

I sincerely disagree and refer you back to this, now more damning than ever, exchange between @PuttItOut and R3BIRTH (who has since been outed as kevdude, and who has tried to claim that they have Putt's blessing and/or was commissioned to investigate – ironically he has done nothing to investigate, instead antagonizing @Crensch with the majority of SBBH & contributing to the "Voat compromised!" narrative, as they had been doing for months prior):

https://voat.co/v/voatdev/3601667/22066275

Nonetheless, we can at least agree that the editing of unused pages was malicious and intended to be a part of creating a new "Voat is compromised!" narrative akin the the previous narrative re: Y-Combinator.


cc: @MolochHunter @EricKaliberhall

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