Shillaxe ago

This post led me to research Carole Greenwood , co founder of Comet Pixza and Bucks , apparently she left because James was caught abusing her teen son ?

yahaira ago

Hi, I'm new here but this really interests me a lot

Angelis_Solaris ago

Although I am certain that satan is indeed behind all ritual abuse whether it stems from pagan religions or from actual satanist cults. What is clear is that what is done in these rituals is well-described as "satanic." Thanks for bringing more scrutiny to CPP.

Lansing-Michigan ago

Too broad a brush guys. Nothing wrong with shamans good ones , bad ones and in between like the human condition....when you lump everything into pizzagate you lose a lot of your viewers.Also when you use the terms so popular here referring to black people..Jews etc. Almost like it is happening on purpose.

9217 ago

I second the reply from @Think- and am going to repeat a comment I made above, which if you actually read the steemit posts and retained the fact that I clearly delineated between non-abusive shamanic practice and ritual abuse, wouldn't be necessary.

In the original posts I tried to be as clear as possible that not all shamanistic traditions are abusive, but that ritual abuse as a practice - no matter what aesthetic it wears - is a shamanistic practice by definition. I argue that all of the defining characteristics of shamanism are always present in ritualized abuse. I would also say that without some variety shamanism humanity might be incapable of (positive or negative) somatic spiritual experiences, but that's a different discussion. There's a very big difference between a "shaman" created by an accidental near death experience and one created by ritual abuse.

In addition, I tried to show that the very people that were initially involved in or looked into as part of pizzagate were describing themselves as shamanistic on their own terms, making the connection even more clear and relevant to this sub. The reason it's important to understand this is - as Think so aptly summarized in the OP - if we are only looking for Satanic, Cabalistic or Masonic symbols, we are not only missing the point, we are missing literal ritual abuse in plain sight.

The other reason it's important is because I see shill narratives literally ALL OVER indie/alternative media and social media try to frame the origin of ritual abuse within specific religions, periods of history, etc. By putting on blinders in which you only see ritual abuse in a specific context of one religion, it is much easier to hide real ritual abuse in the open and it prevents any understanding of the mechanics of the practice.

Lastly: The steemit posts do not put "everything" into pizzagate, as I stated above. The fact that you're commenting in the pizzagate sub telling people not to focus on pizzagate is absurd. If we were having this discussion on the r/conspiracy subreddit that would be a different story. Why come here if you don't want to investigate the topics and people relating to pizzagate? What's your agenda, really?

think- ago

when you lump everything into pizzagate you lose a lot of your viewers

Comet Ping Pong is the core of Pizzagate. It's obvious that the painter has been influenced by shamanism. It

doesn't mean that all shamans are nefarious.

From my research of cases of ritual violence in Britain I can tell you that it is very usefu to have a broader approach, and not only focus on Satanism / Luciferianism.

Also when you use the terms so popular here referring to black people..Jews etc. Almost like it is happening on purpose.

Sorry, but who is 'you' in this case - certainly not @9217 or me.

Shillaxe ago

I just had a gruesome thought @think

after looking at his "art" i noticed that he appears to paint with blood , maybe he turns victims into shitty artwork.I feel nauseous...

think- ago

:-/ Hadn't thought about that. Anything is possible I guess.

Shillaxe ago

Considering what was happening out back at Pegasus , I doubt anything is normal with CPP.

Shillaxe ago

I wonder if a DNA analysis of Comet PP 's mural would show proof & I dunno make a neat headline.

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

KEY

Deliberate alteration of consciousness during both training and practice;

An initiatory death-and-rebirth experience;

An experience known as the soul journey or soul flight;

Communal ritual activities involving chanting, music, drumming, and dancing;

A primary source of power involving control of animal spirits;

A belief in their ability to transform into animals;

Professional abilities involving healing, diagnosis, divination, and assistance in hunting;

Theories of illness involving soul loss, magical intrusion of objects, and attacks by spirits and shamans;

A belief in their ability to do harm through sorcery.

Copy Pasting my dig on Kim Nobel (THE ARTIST OF THE MORBID ARTWORK DISCUSSED) and the degrees of separation from T^V!ST0CK MK etc in the reply to this comment. It's a mess but @9217 @think- and you goats may find some of it relevant.

9217 ago

Yeah that list of shamanic characteristics/elements literally applies to all ritual abuse, whether we're talking Haitian Voodoo or African stuff or Belgian aristocracy like Dutroux, or Kabbala or Masonry or whatever, it ALWAYS uses these elements. Some may be more emphasized than others, and some forms are going to be more "ceremonialized" than others.

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

In Celtic / Druidic cultures red haired women and children were thought to be the most naturally inclined towards mysticism and psychic abilities. I've also heard they have giant or nephilim DNA in the more biblical beliefs. And everyones heard the gingers have no souls slur. Not Off the Wall at all.

If I were to guess it has to do with something that genetic attribute 'contains', be it in the blood or of the spirit, they like that flavor.

AssFaceSandwich4 ago

There was a young girl with red hair posing with gaga at the spirit cooking event. Did we ever find out who that child was? The star of the after-party?

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

http://www.daisychainrecruitment.co.uk/

https://www.saatchiart.com/Pratt

About Ria Pratt Kim Noble

Ria has DID and is one of Kim Noble's personalities. From the age of 14 years old Ria has spent 20 years in and out of hospital until she made contact with Dr Valerie Sinason and Dr Rob Hale at the Tavistock and Portman Clinics. 10 years ago she began therapy and was diagnosed with Dissociative Identity Disorder (formally multiple personality disorder). D.I.D is a creative way to cope with unbearable pain. The main personality splits into several parts each having an amnesic barrier between them. It is a conventional disorder but Ria has had extensive tests over 2 years by leading psychology professor at UCL, John Morton , who has established there is no memory between the personalities and that she represents the British gold standard over genuine Dissociation. With no formal art training, Ria and 12 of her personalities (alters) became interested in painting in 2004 after spending a short time with an art therapist. These 12 artists each have their own distinctive style, colour and themes, ranging from solitary desert scenes, to sea scenes to abstracts, collages and paintings with traumatic content. Many are unaware that they share a body with other artists. Ria's works takes you into the nightmare world of child abuse, depicted through the childs eyes, hence the bright colours. Many people can't face the truth of abuse and turn away, the use of very bright colours also makes the painting noticeable making the viewer look and see what happens, it is hard to miss. The patchy, ghost like figures floating above are depicting dissociation. When the pain gets too much the child looks down on themselves, believing that it isn't happening to them and watching from above. Trauma can cause out of body experience, dissociation. The works of other alters can be seen under Kim Noble, Bonny Noble, Golden Dawn, Judy Ash, Patricia King, and M.J.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/62206346@N08/sets/72157626474399453/detail/ www.KimNoble.com Less

https://www.saatchiart.com/Ash

Kim Noble, Golden Dawn, Bonny Noble, Ria Pratt, Patricia King and M.J

Abi-young and single, flirtatious and desperate

Bonny- mother with a young daughter

Salome- very religious Catholic

Diabalus- a boy who writes only in Latin

Ken- a depressed 20 year old

Judy- a self-conscious 15 year old

Dawn- a young women looking for her baby

Ria- a 12 year old girl who paint pictures that exemplifies abuse

https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/diabolus

https://www.facebook.com/VICE/videos/1944709552509751/

Having no formal art training, Judy and 12 of her personalities (alters) became interested in painting in 2004 after spending a short time with an art therapist. These 12 artists each have their own distinctive style, colour and themes, ranging from solitary desert scenes, to sea scenes to abstracts, collages and paintings with traumatic content. Many are unaware that they share a body with other artists.

Kimberly Noble is 55 years old and was born on 04/16/1964. Kimberly's Reputation Score is 3.98. Amarillo, TX, is where Kimberly Noble lives today. Other names that Kimberly uses includes Kimberly Dawn Smith, Kimberly Dawn Noble, Kim D Smith, Kimberly D Smith and Kimberly D Noble. Personal details about Kimberly include: political affiliation is currently a registered Republican; ethnicity is unknown; and religious views are listed as unknown. Kimberly is now married. Kimberly's personal network of family, friends, associates & neighbors include Wayne Smith, Kimberly Noble, Haley Tucker Noble, Angela Smith and Derral Noble. View All Details

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/all-of-me-kim-noble/1111326916

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2042663/The-woman-20-personalities-body-case-thats-baffled-experts.html

https://vigilantcitizen.com/vc-resources/the-complete-gallery-of-kim-nobles-paintings-about-ritual-abuse/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kimnoble/albums/72157626452447203/with/5657750043/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/kim-noble-a-woman-divided-413223.html

Exhibitions:

SOLO EXHIBITIONS

Refractions Ortus Arts Camberwell London 03.02.2016 – 03.08.2016

Many Faces The Tavistock Centre, 120 Belsize Lane NW35BA 07.04.2014 - 09.05.2014 http://cindex.camden.gov.uk/kb5/camden/cd/service.page?id=r9Da6WrQBx4

One of Many, Bethlem Gallery 10.11.… Read More

Exhibitions:

SOLO EXHIBITIONS

Refractions Ortus Arts Camberwell London 03.02.2016 – 03.08.2016

Many Faces The Tavistock Centre, 120 Belsize Lane NW35BA 07.04.2014 - 09.05.2014

One of Many, Bethlem Gallery 10.11.2011

*Oprah Winfrey Show Studio America 08.08.2010 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJpiAQThmFA why she digDID ?

Out of ArtIk ben ik (I am who I am) Het Glazen Huis Amsterdam 03.12.09

Out of ArtIk ben ik (I am who I am)Het Glazen HuisEuropaboulevardAmstelpark 5Amsterdam 3.12.09 - 24.12.09

Galerie Atelier Herenplaats Rotterdam 11.11.09 - Nov. 2009

GoldsmithsLondon 26.01.09

Novas GalleryLondon Bridge11.9.08 - 3.10.08

Dominic Restaurant Gallery, Hampstead London February 2004

Multiple choice Burgh House, Hampstead London June 2005

Artist in Resident at Daffodil Arts Centre, Springfield Hospital, Tooting September 2005

Unknown Conversations with My Selves, Pepperton Gallery London SE25 September 2005

Double Take Putney Arts Theatre, Putney October 2005

Me and My Shadows Lauderdale House, Highgate, London April 2006

London Art HouseBrittania RowIslingtonN116th Feb. 2007

Round and about my shadow Salisbury Jan. 2010 - Feb. 2010

Hastings Museum & Art GalleryJune 2010 - Sept. 2010 Open galleryBrighton ArchesBrighton

GROUP EXHIBITIONS

Bethlem Gallery Gallery Christmas Fair Dec. 2017

Zebra One Gallery Hampstead London 17.11.2017 - 30.11.2017

Gemini Art Prize shortlist 19th-22nd Sept.2017 Asia House Gallery, London W1G

Thinking Society Bethlem Gallery March - April 2017

Affordable Art fair Battersea Park 9.03.2016

Bethlam Art Fair 28.11.2015 – 19.12.2015

Around the Kitchen Table Bethlem Gallery 23.09.2015 – 16.10.2015

Art Auction Institute of psychiatry 23.06.2014

Tight Modern on tour 03.05.2014

Rush Arts Gallery, 526 West 26th Street, Suite 311, New York 24.04.2014


Medifeast Institurte of Psychiatry 10.03.2014

The Face of Portraiture Collection Saatchi Art 27.01.2014

Smart Art, Matrix Chambers London 06.12.2013

Spotlight on London Collection Saatchi Art 14.10.13

Bethlem Gallery Art Fair 4th-20th Dec. 2013

Post card exhibition Betlem Gallery 02.10.2013

Spotlight on London Collection Saatchi Art 14.10.13

Stephen Oliver Gallery Dartford 20.08.2013

Impact Art Fair Brixton 26.07.2013

Art Auction Institute of psychiatry 23.06.2014

The Dragon Café Borough 16.02.2013

Outside In London, CGP, The Gallery,

Southwark Park SE16 2UA 16.8.2012 - 9.9.2012

Tight Modern, winner of public votes 2012

Out here Core Arts 28.06.2012

SW1 Gallery Victoria, Bethlam exhibition 2012

Birmingham University 2011

External Maternal Bethlem Gallery 31.08.2011

Fringe Artists Guardian Gallery London 05.02.2011

Outside In Salisbury Arts Centre 01.01.2010

No Soul for Sale Tate Modern 31.03.2010

Barmy Park, Bethnal Green 14.09.2010

Bedlam, Royal Globe Theatre, 25.09.2010

Pallant HouseChichester, West Sussex07.08.09 - 08.11.09

Pepperton Gallery, London SE25 December 2004

Art and Poetry, The Clock Tower, Croydon, April 2005

Art fair, Abbey Gallery, East Sussex, June 2005

Arts in Mind 9 Hoxton, London February 2006

Burgh House Hampstead, London March 2006

Sapphire Fairfield Halls, Croydon March 2006

Pepperton gallery, London SE25 April 2006

Celebrating Nursing, Fairfield Halls, Croydon May 2006

Art Multiplied Daffodil Art Space Springfield Hospital TootingLondon

The Raw Arts FestivalValencia Spain Oct 2006, Less

DOCTORS SHRINKS & HOSPTLZATION :

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1136971029417549824

Graeme Galton

https://www.montpellierpractice.com/

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41198172-forensic-aspects-of-dissociative-identity-disorder

t/\vistock

John Morton

Causal modeling of panic disorder theories (2009)

The role of 5-HTTLPR in choosing the lesser of two evils, the better of two goods (2008)

Modulation of emotions by cognition and cognition by emotion (2007)

Differential stimulu-reward and stimulus punishment learning in individuals with psychopathy(2011)

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/John_Morton4

https://royalsociety.org/people/john-morton-11979/

https://www.boystownhospital.org/research/Faculty/Pages/Blair-James.aspx B0YSTOWN!

https://www.boystownhospital.org/research/CenterNeurobehavResearch/Pages/Just-for-Kids.aspx

http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/interviewing-a-person-with-multiple-personalities

9217 ago

On this part:

"Kimberly Noble is 55 years old and was born on 04/16/1964. Kimberly's Reputation Score is 3.98. Amarillo, TX, is where Kimberly Noble lives today. Other names that Kimberly uses includes Kimberly Dawn Smith, Kimberly Dawn Noble, Kim D Smith, Kimberly D Smith and Kimberly D Noble. Personal details about Kimberly include: political affiliation is currently a registered Republican; ethnicity is unknown; and religious views are listed as unknown. Kimberly is now married. Kimberly's personal network of family, friends, associates & neighbors include Wayne Smith, Kimberly Noble, Haley Tucker Noble, Angela Smith and Derral Noble. View All Details"

I don't think Noble is American or lives in the US now? Is this the wrong Noble?

ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago

Yes you are right, that is likely someone with the same name, accidentally left in when I copy pasted even though on my notes it was -struckthrough-. Notable only in that the entity had the same name (Dawn too) and I believe age as Kim of the UK, and Comet. Will edit that out. Thank you!

9217 ago

No worries! That's a really interesting coincidence though.

Vindicator ago

This valuable research has kind of gotten slid off the front page. Stickying for visibility. :-)

9217 ago

Also thank you!

Vindicator ago

You're welcome. :-)

think- ago

Thank you, much appreciated. :-)

@9217

Joe10jo ago

Def Share flair!!! Fantastic!

pby1000 ago

"Which begs the question, STILL!! WHY was this artist, of all artists, chosen to make murals for the Comet Ping Pong Pizza restaurant?" I remember people asking this after pizzagate broke.

I remember saying to a skeptical friend of mine that they could have had cartoon characters on the walls of this family friendly pizza joint, but, for some reason, they chose not to...

Shillaxe ago

Maybe James thought having a "Shaman", would magically protect him ?

eucalyptus_spearmint ago

All the links and articles in the OP are excellent!!! Horrible but necessary reading.

9217 ago

Appreciate it!

think- ago

Thank you. :-)

siegnagel ago

Good article. But as someone who is married to a Shamen/Witchy type and I as a former Zen priest, I'd say not just RA is Shamanistic in nature, all Religion is. Every single one is derived from Shamanism, since Shamanism is simply humans making sense of the World. A need or thirst for knowledge about ourselves and the Universe. I've studied Shingon Buddhism for over two decades, Japanese Esoteric Buddhism. It's the Japanese equivalent of Tibetan Buddhism, so is extremely connected to Shamanism, albeit more civilised than the Vajrayana of the Tibetans. But my point being, all Religion not just 'cults' are simple evolutions of Shamanism.

9217 ago

Derived from Shamanism, arguably yes. In the original posts I tried to be as clear as possible that not all shamanistic traditions are abusive, but that ritual abuse as a practice - no matter what aesthetic it wears - is a shamanistic practice by definition. I argue that all of the defining characteristics of shamanism are always present in ritualized abuse. I would also say that without some variety shamanism humanity might be incapable of (positive or negative) somatic spiritual experiences, but that's a different discussion. There's a very big difference between a "shaman" created by an accidental near death experience and one created by ritual abuse.

In addition, I tried to show that the very people that were initially involved in or looked into as part of pizzagate were describing themselves as shamanistic on their own terms, making the connection even more clear and relevant to this sub. The reason it's important to understand this is - as Think so aptly summarized in the OP - if we are only looking for Satanic, Cabalistic or Masonic symbols, we are not only missing the point, we are missing literal ritual abuse in plain sight.

The other reason it's important is because I see shill narratives literally ALL OVER indie/alternative media and social media try to frame the origin of ritual abuse within specific religions, periods of history, etc. By putting on blinders in which you only see ritual abuse in a specific context of one religion, it is much easier to hide real ritual abuse in the open and it prevents any understanding of the mechanics of the practice.

QuoteUnquoteArt ago

You're a godsend.

9217 ago

Thank you!

eucalyptus_spearmint ago

I wouldn't define the three major religions, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam as being shamanistic, would you? I always associated shamanism with nature worship. 🤔

It's a minor point in this forum. Any person in any religious group can be an abuser, but as you were a practitioner I'm interested in hearing how you defined yourself.

An internet definition of shaman "a person regarded as having access to, and influence in, the world of good and evil spirits, especially among some peoples of northern Asia and North America. Typically such people enter a trance state during a ritual, and practice divination and healing."

siegnagel ago

The Abrahamic religions still are derived from Shamanism. They acknowledge a spirit world consisting of the unseen, demons, angels, watchers and so on. Any attempt to understand the World and its machinations is Shamanic in nature. Praying to God is Shamanic. God is unseen and three acknowledge its existence. Christianity's 'dark night of the soul' is typical of death and rebirth, like the Muslim fana. These are Shamanic moments. The ecstasy of Christ is the same, trance like moments of clarity. Sufi Islam's especially esoteric and occult in nature.

rooting4redpillers ago

I take it, you’re not a Methodist.

eucalyptus_spearmint ago

I agree about Sufi to an extent but it is an offshoot of Islam from my understanding and not representative of the mainstream. You could also argue that certain offshoots of Judaism and Christianity (the kabbalah is Jewish mysticism, is it not?)

And certain sects of Christianity are more mystical than others, Catholicism and Mormonism for example. But I think even then I am pushing the definition in ways that doesn't really fit. I still have to disagree on a few key points. One is the lack of nature focus, the other is that, in most forms of Christianity at least, entering any altered state or trance is strictly forbidden and shamanism involves this heavily. To claim that shamanism is simply an acknowledgement of the spiritual in general is to pervert the meaning of the word from its widely accepted definition. All who share a belief in spirits are not shamans.

I think this is an interesting topic, but not PG relevant I don't suppose. 🙃

darkknight111 ago

Tibetan Buddhism is heavily involved in sex trafficking in the Golden Triangle.

think- ago

Yes, and it has a dark left hand path. Also, lots of cases of sexual abuse of children in monasteries.

The Dalai Lama was connected to Keith Raniere of NXIVM.

eucalyptus_spearmint ago

I think the whole priests/monks/whatever abusing kids is just a result of isolating a bunch of men (or women) and preventing them from having a sexual outlet. It's just a dumb, dumb, dumb idea. And it pisses me off because it's so obvious.

siegnagel ago

Many Buddhist priests can marry. Tibetans, Japanese and Chinese.

9217 ago

But they have to leave their respective orders to do so.

Vindicator ago

Think this ought to have a Share! flair :-)

eucalyptus_spearmint ago

I so agree.

think- ago

Thank you. :-)

9217 ago

Thank you so much, no worries on the title and I appreciate you reposting this! Cheers.

think- ago

My pleasure. :-)

fogdryer ago

think- ago

Thanks. That's really an excellent post as well. Will edit my post tomorrow, and copy some of its OP to mine.

fogdryer ago

voat has been compromised as archive.is is also. All the old posts are suppose to come up when you

search but they don't always...………..lol

think- ago

I don't think so. I think it might be just a technical issue (@ searchvoat.co).

21yearsofdigging ago

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