I just realized that this excellent Steemit essay about the murals in Comet Ping Pong (depicting ritual violence) and the artwork of their painter, Arrington de Dionysio, has never posted on v/pizzagate before - so here it is. :-)*
Part 1
Part 2
The author delves into the world of shamanistic rituals and argues that we miss important information and evidence if we only look for 'satanic' symbolism in our research; they argue that ritual violence also takes place in other contexts, like shamanism (remember, Marina Abramovic was influenced by Brazilean shamanism, as well as Tibetan Buddhism).
They suggest that the term 'ritual violence' might be more useful than 'satanism' in order to get the bigger picture. As demonstrated by their analysis of the artwork of de Dionysio.
This is an important discussion, and a must-read for all Pizzagate researchers! :-)
*Apologies to the author whitedeer9217 for slightly altering the title.
@9217 @swordfish69 @MercurysBall @kestrel9
Shillaxe ago
This post led me to research Carole Greenwood , co founder of Comet Pixza and Bucks , apparently she left because James was caught abusing her teen son ?
yahaira ago
Hi, I'm new here but this really interests me a lot
Angelis_Solaris ago
Although I am certain that satan is indeed behind all ritual abuse whether it stems from pagan religions or from actual satanist cults. What is clear is that what is done in these rituals is well-described as "satanic." Thanks for bringing more scrutiny to CPP.
Lansing-Michigan ago
Too broad a brush guys. Nothing wrong with shamans good ones , bad ones and in between like the human condition....when you lump everything into pizzagate you lose a lot of your viewers.Also when you use the terms so popular here referring to black people..Jews etc. Almost like it is happening on purpose.
9217 ago
I second the reply from @Think- and am going to repeat a comment I made above, which if you actually read the steemit posts and retained the fact that I clearly delineated between non-abusive shamanic practice and ritual abuse, wouldn't be necessary.
Lastly: The steemit posts do not put "everything" into pizzagate, as I stated above. The fact that you're commenting in the pizzagate sub telling people not to focus on pizzagate is absurd. If we were having this discussion on the r/conspiracy subreddit that would be a different story. Why come here if you don't want to investigate the topics and people relating to pizzagate? What's your agenda, really?
think- ago
Comet Ping Pong is the core of Pizzagate. It's obvious that the painter has been influenced by shamanism. It
doesn't mean that all shamans are nefarious.
From my research of cases of ritual violence in Britain I can tell you that it is very usefu to have a broader approach, and not only focus on Satanism / Luciferianism.
Sorry, but who is 'you' in this case - certainly not @9217 or me.
Shillaxe ago
I just had a gruesome thought @think
after looking at his "art" i noticed that he appears to paint with blood , maybe he turns victims into shitty artwork.I feel nauseous...
think- ago
:-/ Hadn't thought about that. Anything is possible I guess.
Shillaxe ago
Considering what was happening out back at Pegasus , I doubt anything is normal with CPP.
Shillaxe ago
I wonder if a DNA analysis of Comet PP 's mural would show proof & I dunno make a neat headline.
ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago
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Copy Pasting my dig on Kim Nobel (THE ARTIST OF THE MORBID ARTWORK DISCUSSED) and the degrees of separation from T^V!ST0CK MK etc in the reply to this comment. It's a mess but @9217 @think- and you goats may find some of it relevant.
9217 ago
Yeah that list of shamanic characteristics/elements literally applies to all ritual abuse, whether we're talking Haitian Voodoo or African stuff or Belgian aristocracy like Dutroux, or Kabbala or Masonry or whatever, it ALWAYS uses these elements. Some may be more emphasized than others, and some forms are going to be more "ceremonialized" than others.
ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago
In Celtic / Druidic cultures red haired women and children were thought to be the most naturally inclined towards mysticism and psychic abilities. I've also heard they have giant or nephilim DNA in the more biblical beliefs. And everyones heard the gingers have no souls slur. Not Off the Wall at all.
If I were to guess it has to do with something that genetic attribute 'contains', be it in the blood or of the spirit, they like that flavor.
AssFaceSandwich4 ago
There was a young girl with red hair posing with gaga at the spirit cooking event. Did we ever find out who that child was? The star of the after-party?
ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago
9217 ago
On this part:
I don't think Noble is American or lives in the US now? Is this the wrong Noble?
ORDOTEMPLIINTERNETIS ago
Yes you are right, that is likely someone with the same name, accidentally left in when I copy pasted even though on my notes it was
-struckthrough-. Notable only in that the entity had the same name (Dawn too) and I believe age as Kim of the UK, and Comet. Will edit that out. Thank you!9217 ago
No worries! That's a really interesting coincidence though.
Vindicator ago
This valuable research has kind of gotten slid off the front page. Stickying for visibility. :-)
9217 ago
Also thank you!
Vindicator ago
You're welcome. :-)
think- ago
Thank you, much appreciated. :-)
@9217
Joe10jo ago
Def Share flair!!! Fantastic!
pby1000 ago
"Which begs the question, STILL!! WHY was this artist, of all artists, chosen to make murals for the Comet Ping Pong Pizza restaurant?" I remember people asking this after pizzagate broke.
I remember saying to a skeptical friend of mine that they could have had cartoon characters on the walls of this family friendly pizza joint, but, for some reason, they chose not to...
Shillaxe ago
Maybe James thought having a "Shaman", would magically protect him ?
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
All the links and articles in the OP are excellent!!! Horrible but necessary reading.
9217 ago
Appreciate it!
think- ago
Thank you. :-)
siegnagel ago
Good article. But as someone who is married to a Shamen/Witchy type and I as a former Zen priest, I'd say not just RA is Shamanistic in nature, all Religion is. Every single one is derived from Shamanism, since Shamanism is simply humans making sense of the World. A need or thirst for knowledge about ourselves and the Universe. I've studied Shingon Buddhism for over two decades, Japanese Esoteric Buddhism. It's the Japanese equivalent of Tibetan Buddhism, so is extremely connected to Shamanism, albeit more civilised than the Vajrayana of the Tibetans. But my point being, all Religion not just 'cults' are simple evolutions of Shamanism.
9217 ago
Derived from Shamanism, arguably yes. In the original posts I tried to be as clear as possible that not all shamanistic traditions are abusive, but that ritual abuse as a practice - no matter what aesthetic it wears - is a shamanistic practice by definition. I argue that all of the defining characteristics of shamanism are always present in ritualized abuse. I would also say that without some variety shamanism humanity might be incapable of (positive or negative) somatic spiritual experiences, but that's a different discussion. There's a very big difference between a "shaman" created by an accidental near death experience and one created by ritual abuse.
In addition, I tried to show that the very people that were initially involved in or looked into as part of pizzagate were describing themselves as shamanistic on their own terms, making the connection even more clear and relevant to this sub. The reason it's important to understand this is - as Think so aptly summarized in the OP - if we are only looking for Satanic, Cabalistic or Masonic symbols, we are not only missing the point, we are missing literal ritual abuse in plain sight.
The other reason it's important is because I see shill narratives literally ALL OVER indie/alternative media and social media try to frame the origin of ritual abuse within specific religions, periods of history, etc. By putting on blinders in which you only see ritual abuse in a specific context of one religion, it is much easier to hide real ritual abuse in the open and it prevents any understanding of the mechanics of the practice.
QuoteUnquoteArt ago
You're a godsend.
9217 ago
Thank you!
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
I wouldn't define the three major religions, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam as being shamanistic, would you? I always associated shamanism with nature worship. 🤔
It's a minor point in this forum. Any person in any religious group can be an abuser, but as you were a practitioner I'm interested in hearing how you defined yourself.
An internet definition of shaman "a person regarded as having access to, and influence in, the world of good and evil spirits, especially among some peoples of northern Asia and North America. Typically such people enter a trance state during a ritual, and practice divination and healing."
siegnagel ago
The Abrahamic religions still are derived from Shamanism. They acknowledge a spirit world consisting of the unseen, demons, angels, watchers and so on. Any attempt to understand the World and its machinations is Shamanic in nature. Praying to God is Shamanic. God is unseen and three acknowledge its existence. Christianity's 'dark night of the soul' is typical of death and rebirth, like the Muslim fana. These are Shamanic moments. The ecstasy of Christ is the same, trance like moments of clarity. Sufi Islam's especially esoteric and occult in nature.
rooting4redpillers ago
I take it, you’re not a Methodist.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
I agree about Sufi to an extent but it is an offshoot of Islam from my understanding and not representative of the mainstream. You could also argue that certain offshoots of Judaism and Christianity (the kabbalah is Jewish mysticism, is it not?)
And certain sects of Christianity are more mystical than others, Catholicism and Mormonism for example. But I think even then I am pushing the definition in ways that doesn't really fit. I still have to disagree on a few key points. One is the lack of nature focus, the other is that, in most forms of Christianity at least, entering any altered state or trance is strictly forbidden and shamanism involves this heavily. To claim that shamanism is simply an acknowledgement of the spiritual in general is to pervert the meaning of the word from its widely accepted definition. All who share a belief in spirits are not shamans.
I think this is an interesting topic, but not PG relevant I don't suppose. 🙃
darkknight111 ago
Tibetan Buddhism is heavily involved in sex trafficking in the Golden Triangle.
think- ago
Yes, and it has a dark left hand path. Also, lots of cases of sexual abuse of children in monasteries.
The Dalai Lama was connected to Keith Raniere of NXIVM.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
I think the whole priests/monks/whatever abusing kids is just a result of isolating a bunch of men (or women) and preventing them from having a sexual outlet. It's just a dumb, dumb, dumb idea. And it pisses me off because it's so obvious.
siegnagel ago
Many Buddhist priests can marry. Tibetans, Japanese and Chinese.
9217 ago
But they have to leave their respective orders to do so.
Vindicator ago
Think this ought to have a Share! flair :-)
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
I so agree.
think- ago
Thank you. :-)
9217 ago
Thank you so much, no worries on the title and I appreciate you reposting this! Cheers.
think- ago
My pleasure. :-)
fogdryer ago
old post
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1501634 and more
think- ago
Thanks. That's really an excellent post as well. Will edit my post tomorrow, and copy some of its OP to mine.
fogdryer ago
voat has been compromised as archive.is is also. All the old posts are suppose to come up when you
search but they don't always...………..lol
think- ago
I don't think so. I think it might be just a technical issue (@ searchvoat.co).
21yearsofdigging ago
Excellent article
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