I just realized that this excellent Steemit essay about the murals in Comet Ping Pong (depicting ritual violence) and the artwork of their painter, Arrington de Dionysio, has never posted on v/pizzagate before - so here it is. :-)*
Part 1
Part 2
The author delves into the world of shamanistic rituals and argues that we miss important information and evidence if we only look for 'satanic' symbolism in our research; they argue that ritual violence also takes place in other contexts, like shamanism (remember, Marina Abramovic was influenced by Brazilean shamanism, as well as Tibetan Buddhism).
They suggest that the term 'ritual violence' might be more useful than 'satanism' in order to get the bigger picture. As demonstrated by their analysis of the artwork of de Dionysio.
This is an important discussion, and a must-read for all Pizzagate researchers! :-)
*Apologies to the author whitedeer9217 for slightly altering the title.
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siegnagel ago
Good article. But as someone who is married to a Shamen/Witchy type and I as a former Zen priest, I'd say not just RA is Shamanistic in nature, all Religion is. Every single one is derived from Shamanism, since Shamanism is simply humans making sense of the World. A need or thirst for knowledge about ourselves and the Universe. I've studied Shingon Buddhism for over two decades, Japanese Esoteric Buddhism. It's the Japanese equivalent of Tibetan Buddhism, so is extremely connected to Shamanism, albeit more civilised than the Vajrayana of the Tibetans. But my point being, all Religion not just 'cults' are simple evolutions of Shamanism.
9217 ago
Derived from Shamanism, arguably yes. In the original posts I tried to be as clear as possible that not all shamanistic traditions are abusive, but that ritual abuse as a practice - no matter what aesthetic it wears - is a shamanistic practice by definition. I argue that all of the defining characteristics of shamanism are always present in ritualized abuse. I would also say that without some variety shamanism humanity might be incapable of (positive or negative) somatic spiritual experiences, but that's a different discussion. There's a very big difference between a "shaman" created by an accidental near death experience and one created by ritual abuse.
In addition, I tried to show that the very people that were initially involved in or looked into as part of pizzagate were describing themselves as shamanistic on their own terms, making the connection even more clear and relevant to this sub. The reason it's important to understand this is - as Think so aptly summarized in the OP - if we are only looking for Satanic, Cabalistic or Masonic symbols, we are not only missing the point, we are missing literal ritual abuse in plain sight.
The other reason it's important is because I see shill narratives literally ALL OVER indie/alternative media and social media try to frame the origin of ritual abuse within specific religions, periods of history, etc. By putting on blinders in which you only see ritual abuse in a specific context of one religion, it is much easier to hide real ritual abuse in the open and it prevents any understanding of the mechanics of the practice.
QuoteUnquoteArt ago
You're a godsend.
9217 ago
Thank you!
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
I wouldn't define the three major religions, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam as being shamanistic, would you? I always associated shamanism with nature worship. 🤔
It's a minor point in this forum. Any person in any religious group can be an abuser, but as you were a practitioner I'm interested in hearing how you defined yourself.
An internet definition of shaman "a person regarded as having access to, and influence in, the world of good and evil spirits, especially among some peoples of northern Asia and North America. Typically such people enter a trance state during a ritual, and practice divination and healing."
siegnagel ago
The Abrahamic religions still are derived from Shamanism. They acknowledge a spirit world consisting of the unseen, demons, angels, watchers and so on. Any attempt to understand the World and its machinations is Shamanic in nature. Praying to God is Shamanic. God is unseen and three acknowledge its existence. Christianity's 'dark night of the soul' is typical of death and rebirth, like the Muslim fana. These are Shamanic moments. The ecstasy of Christ is the same, trance like moments of clarity. Sufi Islam's especially esoteric and occult in nature.
rooting4redpillers ago
I take it, you’re not a Methodist.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
I agree about Sufi to an extent but it is an offshoot of Islam from my understanding and not representative of the mainstream. You could also argue that certain offshoots of Judaism and Christianity (the kabbalah is Jewish mysticism, is it not?)
And certain sects of Christianity are more mystical than others, Catholicism and Mormonism for example. But I think even then I am pushing the definition in ways that doesn't really fit. I still have to disagree on a few key points. One is the lack of nature focus, the other is that, in most forms of Christianity at least, entering any altered state or trance is strictly forbidden and shamanism involves this heavily. To claim that shamanism is simply an acknowledgement of the spiritual in general is to pervert the meaning of the word from its widely accepted definition. All who share a belief in spirits are not shamans.
I think this is an interesting topic, but not PG relevant I don't suppose. 🙃