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The_Raven ago

I know I'll get down voted for this, but I really wish you'd have done more than just SKIM it before presenting it here. For example, how does Fiona's stories replicate those of ACTUAL victims? Most times, yes, victims stories are the same because the RITUALS do not change. This outline reads just like the Satanic Panic saying that the children's statements were coerced and they were trained to say what happened at the daycare.

It's really bad form to throw info out there expecting everyone else to dig into it when you haven't put any energy into examining or verifying it as truth or fiction yourself.

Vindicator ago

I'm not primarily a researcher on this forum, Raven (except if I'm busting shills, or trying to help people scour the archives for information they can't find). When I see things on Twitter or elsewhere I know folks here have an interest in and I see they haven't been posted, I occasionally submit them. Modding this subverse takes hours and hours of every day. Few are willing to help, and I've been doing it for over two years. I do not have the time to read a 115 page pdf. Also, I am not familiar enough with all of the various folks who claim to be SRA survivors to necessarily be able to spot inconsistencies. This is a crowdsourced investigation for a reason. Please dig in, and post your findings here. Perhaps the community will debunk this? If so, I will give it the flair.

The_Raven ago

Thanks for replying, but I'm seeing all sorts of red flags right away.

1) Fiona has already stated that the CIA was involved with her abuse

2) The Russia narrative is being brought up here. So called conspiracy theorists (CIA coined this term as you well know) are the ones who are seriously doubting that Trump has anything to do with Russia, so if the deep state can get pedo investigators to believe that Fiona is in bed with Russia, well that's a start in the right direction for them.

3) Many on Voat are very pro-Nazi and push the racial divide narrative, so it seems as though this story is not only being used to discredit an SRA victim, but to smear Russia and restore the image of the Nazi regime

4) See this article I found by searching helena and peter holowczak https://www.blindlight.org/index.php/all-psyops/item/306-veteran-s-today-starts-linking-nazis-to-pedophilia

EricKaliberhall ago

Yep! -2 pts already. Go ahead and down vote me,

You poor thing...

The_Raven ago

Did I ask for pity? No. Fuck off.

EricKaliberhall ago

The_Raven ago

Why are you and everyone here so obsessed about EsotericShade? https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3013823/16556360/10#16556360

EricKaliberhall ago

I wouldn't call it obsessed... ESOTERICshade is not that interesting, intelligent or funny... https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2965667

Why the fuck do you care, faggot?

The_Raven ago

I care that the mods here are more concerned with finding alts of users than investigating Pizzagate. This sub used to be great, but it's now become a joke. It's as if all the mods are so paranoid these days. Just the fact that the ES sticky is still up is a red flag to any new users that they will most likely be scrutinized if they even remotely step out of line. That's not a very nice 'Welcome' mat.

think- ago

This sub used to be great, but it's now become a joke.

You've been a member for five months, the Esoteric sticky has been up for about four months. So when exactly was the time 'the sub was great' before the 'paranoid mods' stickied the Esoteric post?

Just wonderin', you know.

[][Crensch)

Vindicator ago

I think I know who this person is. Check out the title of this submission: Massive Red Pill: Steven D. Kelley: The Getty Musem, Pizzagate, Hillary is a Caver, etc. + code words, and much more.

Then look at the titles of these submissions.

That user is likely someone with Dissociative Identity Disorder. She self-doxxed multiple times and when I tried to help her, seemed to not remember our conversations and then went a bit nuts. She escalated into mod-attack mode instead of going after those trying to dox her. As I recall, she posted on Protect Voat about it and wouldn't give evidence and got the typical rough handling as a result and deleted her thread there, which would explain this.

During the doxing bruhaha with that user, she claimed not to care and to only be worried about Gothamgirl...which is interesting given this. Possibly both Raven and GG are alters of that same person. I suggest deescalation may be the best approach for this.

argosciv ago

Possibly both Raven and GG are alters of that same person.

I suggest deescalation may be the best approach for this.

https://files.catbox.moe/6rh230.png

Vindicator ago

Added some interesting links the parent thread, including the archive showing the original content. Still recommend deescalating.

MolochHunter ago

Ok so the core / key evidence is that the Holowczaks did indeed live at #14 - as shown in the census record

something to keep in mind. Its not uncommon for post war migrant families to arrive and move as close to the same vicinity as each other. You could well have a family of Holowczaks at # 14 AND #30

Vindicator ago

Argosciv was saying there is no #30, unless it was demolished at some point. I think...if I understood him correctly.

argosciv ago

Argosciv was saying there is no #30, unless it was demolished at some point. I think...if I understood him correctly.

You did.

Checked google maps.