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ESOTERICshade ago

@walnutsaucegoat is right about one thing. I tried it. I typed

www.lalalala.cometpingpong.com and it redirected to www.cometpingpong.com

www.whatever.cometpingpong did the same.

www.voat.cometpingpong.com did the same.

Somebody might have tricked you @vindicator

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

Hey ES, look what @TrushTheTruth finally did after all these months of being a cunt.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2994553/16363667

There is hope after all.

Now what are you going to do to redeem yourself? I am tired of being mad at you.

ESOTERICshade ago

Hey ES, look what @TrushTheTruth finally did after all these months of being a cunt.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2994553/16363667

Thats good. WisconsinIsCorrupt always said the ultra wealthy Johnson family in Racine were involved. And when WisconsinIsCorrupt was here there was a dedicated shill attacking him and anybody that agreed with him. Guess he was correct.

https://journaltimes.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/new-charges-sought-in-curt-johnson-sexual-abuse-case/article_7e94105c-63ee-11e1-85d7-0019bb2963f4.html

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

WisconsinIsCorrupt always said the ultra wealthy Johnson family in Racine were involved.

Yeah, the first cunt who wouldn't provide any links, while producing volumes of word-salad.

when WisconsinIsCorrupt was here there was a dedicated shill attacking him and anybody that agreed with him.

Pretty sure that was because WIC was a POS who wouldn't provide any sources for the claims made. WIC = lazy cunt


journaltimes - https://archive.is/v4Qna

ESOTERICshade ago

Pretty sure that was because WIC was a POS who wouldn't provide any sources for the claims made. WIC = lazy cunt

That always puzzled me, because I believed WIC. He gave me the impression that he was VERY close to the action in Racine, like maybe he lived there and had been given a hard time because of what he knows, and he was scared to say much. I could be wrong but that was the impression I got.

Vindicator ago

"Puzzled" "believed" "impression" "given a hard time" "scared" "impression" Poor poor WIC.

LOL. And you bitch about Q being fake. You have such a forked tongue.

ESOTERICshade ago

Go fuck yourself and stop harassing me asshole.

Vindicator ago

You picked this fight, boyo. You showed up in my thread and started talking shit.

The only way you hear the end of me is by deleting your account. We will never let you off the hook.

ESOTERICshade ago

Tell me again how typing words in front of cometpingpong.com won't always redirect to cometpingpong.com. Say it. You may as well lie some more. @Walnutsaucegoat and and some other user made us aware of it. I tried it and they were right so I told you about it. This ain't complicated.


You ain't the same dude you used to be. Qanon changed you. Best thing you could do for yourself is park yourself in the sidebar, like you used to, and stop harassing people.


@deathtoomasonsasap made the observation that this sub is more heavily harassed and fucked with than Redditt was and I am inclined to agree. Yall need to stop fucking with people. You already drove the old timers away AND as new people tried to fill in you ran them off too.


Just recently you guys ran off nomochomo and ridleychozo, two innocent and decent posters, by dragging them into this shit. You ran @twistedmac11 off and a lot of other people.


We don't give a fuck if you don't like what we say, its not your job to patrol people's comments. You need to carry your ass back to the sidebar before you make yourself look even worse.


Now. I'm going to bed. You can sit here and make your little snarky comments to your fucking self and guess what? I won't give a fuck......

Vindicator ago

No one ran off @Nomochomo. He was quite pissed that you made so many other users look like your sockpuppets and he and I had a number of conversations until he was able to demonstrate to me that he probably isn't part of your crew, so I've given him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. We've had a number of discussions about what's acceptable to post and how to go about doing it. He has made numerous submissions.

How would you know if Ridley and Twisted are "gone" if they're not your accounts? You're not even a good liar, ES. I think you've told so many lies, you can't keep them straight. I haven't shared my documentation on RidleyChozo, because he only shows up to defend you once and a while, and that's a lost cause. I can, if needed. Twistedmac11 claimed innocence and asked me to review his being associated with you, but when I looked into it, I found he lied about his role in your astroturfing voting brigade, which I proved. You burned that account, apparently.

And P.S., its not YOUR fucking thread. Ya dig?

Oh? Try looking up top.

twistedmac11 ago

Jesus fucking christ, Vindicator. Stop lying.

This was the last comment I made to you. You did not "find that I lied about my role in ES's astroturfing brigade". You never responded to my comment. You didn't find out shit.

I am sick and fucking tired of being accused of someone I am not. THAT is why I left. And, yes, that is YOUR fault, along with crensch. I'm sick of the bullshit.

Quit spreading lies.

Vindicator ago

Interesting that you claim I'm lying, but instead of linking to my supposed lie, you link to your reply to my comment which is you claiming I was "gaslighting" and dismissing all my linked evidence with justifications. Since you seem to want to debate this again, I'll paste my findings then, again here:

Well, TM, I reviewed this just now, and I'd have to say if you are unwilling to admit your participation in ES's fuckery and apologize, you're probably out of luck. Let's review...

Your proof of my "help" was me saying I didn't see any serious evidence of vote brigading in the one specific link that you posted. See here and here.

No, TM, my proof was me warning you six months ago that Esoteric was trying to astroturf and censor people, which directly contradicts your claim that:

I never supported anyone trying to destroy this sub. I never saw ESOTERICshade as attempting to do that until he/she was exposed for using rarepeeks as an alt.

He tried to toxify and brigade a post made by @EricKaliberhall which met all submission rules, simply because he didn't like the topic, so I called him out on it and stickied it to prevent him from sliding it off the board. That made you pretty angry and you spent a lot of time in that thread claiming there was no sock puppet brigade and defending ES. I presented linked evidence to you in that thread six months ago that ES was vote brigading, but you just dismissed it. Then you claimed you didn't know, when you most certainly did. Now you are claiming there is no evidence you support ES and you are being unfairly targeted by mean mods (a narrative ES is also pushing, btw), when there is.

Now, while I don't endorse Eric's tone in dealing with you and believe he should use linked evidence in every such confrontation, I do agree with his assessment -- even more so now that you have reiterated your refusal take responsibility for your participation in undermining the board.

Esoteric has several disruption tactics. One of them is to try to instigate arguments and create drama. Another is to attack mods and try to convince users we're out to get them or desire to censor them. He uses lies and deceit to do this. Sometimes it's with sock puppet accounts. We had a whole sticky that proved he was operating at least five or six of these that he admitted to. He's proud of it. Other times, he finds ways to trigger other users to attack each other or mods. We know by the vote patterns in those past examples that he is operating at least twelve separate accounts.

As I showed with the linked examples above, you let yourself become involved in Esoteric's operation, even when you were warned what he was doing. Then you claimed ignorance, which I proved was not true. Every single time we discussed this, you refused to take responsibility for your involvement. Now you are saying I lied, but not linking to the comment where I supposedly did so. That is exactly the kind of dishonest, Esoteric-like behavior that makes you suspect.

I didn't bring you up in this thread, Twistedmac. Esoteric did.

We have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Esoteric has no regard for Voat's rules, the truth, or the users of this sub. He used multiple proven sock puppets to manipulate people and perceptions here. @Crensch gave everyone who participated in his operation the chance to disavow his terrible behavior. You took no responsibility, expressed no remorse and claim mods are lying, "gaslighting" and attacking you. You continue to act like Esoteric and let yourself be used by him -- right now, in this thread. Why is that, if you are not him? How can you expect anyone to believe you?

twistedmac11 ago

Why are you copying and pasting your claims, which I have already responded to? They still "prove" nothing, and they definitely do not prove I'm someone else. And I linked to my last comment to you because it was the absolute most recent communication I have had with you on the subject, which you never bothered responding to.

I never said you brought me up in this thread. I said I was tagged. Not sure what point you are trying to make there.

I have not done anything wrong. You keep linking to your one comment as proof that I do not agree is proof of anything. Somehow, that one thing makes me someone else.

I am acting like myself. I am not being used by anyone - I am responding to your claim that you supposedly "proved" that I "lied about my role in ES's astroturfing brigade" - which I did NOT. That is not proof of anything, that does not prove I am an alt, that just proves you and I disagree on what is evidence of a brigade. Again, for emphasis, that does not make me an alt.

Vindicator ago

You keep linking to your one comment as proof that I do not agree is proof of anything. Somehow, that one thing makes me someone else.

My comment is full of links to your comments in different threads, as you well know. Multiple users in that thread complained to me that it was being brigaded because every single person who thought it was a good pizzagate overview to redpill Trump fans got massively downvoted. It was so heavily brigaded in fact that even the derram bot was downvoted -10! That is straight up evidence it was being worked over by bots, which is why I stickied it.

You then chimed in to claim I was stickying it because of a vendetta with the shill running the brigade, and claimed in fact there was no brigade. Muhhhh...mods are compromised! Anyone who has been on Voat more than a month knows that every comment in a 109 comment thread sharing the same opinion doesn't get downvoted -5 to -13, and every opposing comment upvoted +15. Your statement there was "no proof of a brigade" just makes you look more dishonest.

twistedmac11 ago

My comment is full of links to your comments in different threads, as you well know.

Yet you keep specifically pointing to your one comment. That's the one I'm talking about.

In that particular thread, at the time, what I saw was most users on there disagreeing with the video and disagreeing with it being stickied. You are right about the derram bot being downvoted, I don't know why people would bother doing that. My mind doesn't jump right to brigade, though, as the comments were massively negative towards the video. I guess you and I will have to disagree on this one. Again, though, that does not make me someone else.

twistedmac11 ago

@vindicator are we done now? Can I participate without being accused of someone I am not?

Vindicator ago

I did not bring you up, TM. And the only person I regularly confront on this board is Esoteric.

I think you've handled the situation in a shitty manner. Whether by choice or because you care too little about this community to resist doing so, you helped ES turn this submission of mine into a drama fest, during a week when Alefantis and his goons are trying to frame us for the fire they probably lit themselves at Comet. Does it actually matter if you are a different person than ES, if you help him every time he shows up? Who really cares, when the effect is the same?

I asked you to make your case in v/pizzagatemods, which we have for that very reason. You told me to take a hike. It's the same disregard for the sub you showed when I tried to tell you the community was being hurt by ES six months ago. You shrugged your shoulders and said "no proof" then, too. You don't care about that and have taken no responsibility whatsoever. So I guess I don't really care what people say to you or about you. In my family, we call that natural consequences.

twistedmac11 ago

I think you've handled the situation in a shitty manner.

I feel the same about how I've been treated by the mods.

Whether by choice or because you care too little about this community to resist doing so, you helped ES turn this submission of mine into a drama fest, during a week when Alefantis and his goons are trying to frame us for the fire they probably lit themselves at Comet.

Um, what? I responded to your comment about you having proved this and that about me, which you didn't do. So I'm not allowed to chime in and defend myself when you say things about me that aren't true?

Does it actually matter if you are a different person than ES, if you help him every time he shows up? Who really cares, when the effect is the same?

What makes you think I'm helping him? Have you been reading my comments here at all?

I asked you to make your case in v/pizzagatemods, which we have for that very reason. You told me to take a hike.

Why would I take this conversation out of the public eye and into a place controlled by the very people accusing me of being someone I'm not? We can have the same conversation right here.

Vindicator ago

Why would I take this conversation out of the public eye and into a place controlled by the very people accusing me of being someone I'm not? We can have the same conversation right here.

Because Esoteric wanted you to help him fill this thread with off-topic drama? Because you care about your fellow users and don't want to give shills a platform? Because you are smarter than his baiting tactics?

Or not -- because you clearly DO support him. As you are doing. Right now.

ESOTERICshade ago

as I don't see any other reason to have a secret arsenal of alts.

That is where their Rabbi speak comes in. He just said above that I admitted to having "five or six alts" but that is also a lie. I didn't. I created @smurfy69 to test at v/testingsunday because I wanted a fresh name to do the testing with. I also created @rarepeeks one day when I didn't have access to a password. The rest is a huge load of bullshit.

twistedmac11 ago

I also created @rarepeeks one day when I didn't have access to a password.

Dude I saw an instance where you responded to ES as rarepeeks, agreeing with yourself. That's consensus manufacturing. Idk about the rest and I don't care. I just want off of this bullshit ride.

ESOTERICshade ago

So do I. These fuckers play dirty, real dirty. Its deeper than you may realize. I don't want to discuss it. v/pizzagate is still intact, and that is all that mattered to me.

ESOTERICshade ago

"By the way, I don't hate Q people or have a vested interest against Q

My current thoughts on the Q movement are this >>>

Over the last three or four months the Q movement is starting to think for itself and rely less and less on "Qanon" and this is a good thing. There is a lot of crowdfunded energy in the movement that could be harnessed and focused on reasonable goals that make sense.


If this trend continues the Q movement has the potential to morph into a force to be reckoned with. Progress of this magnitude comes in baby steps. Expecting the most powerful people in the world to be in GITMO soon is not attainable at this point in history.


If the Q movement continues to learn, and it is learning, there is a possibility that it could evoke real change that we need. In order for this to happen it needs to keep learning and going forward without the "savior Qanon" and the movement needs to develop it's own hive brain with reasonable goals, in steps, with a solid strategy.


The closest thing I see in the world to what I am attempting to describe is the Yellow Vest movement in France. It has no savior, no leader, and is pretty damn effective. The Q movement has the potential to evolve into a similar organization. I hope it does.

srayzie ago

Glad to see you opening up to it 👍🏻