Without getting too much into it, (because I have to leave in a few for class), I'm going to try my hardest to publish an article in my college newspaper about the pizzagate scandal. It really seems like it's going to be the hardest thing to do in today's world when one - not a single soul in my journalism class had heard about it (not to mention when I brought it up, the teacher says "the shooter at the pizza place?") and two - all anyone really cares about and talks about over here is anti-trump, black inequality and lgbt rights (I'm not kidding AT ALL).
So that's enough to show that as much as it looks like it's hitting enough people, it's not coming across to who could really make a difference. And I want to change that.
So what I'm asking for (to get this ball rolling) is a link or an already made timeline of all the events that have had happened - starting with all the emails that reference pizza and the sauces, the comet ping pong connections, the museum that overlooks the playground, etc.
I know this is kind of dangerous but I really don't care.
EDIT (To satisy Rule 2 of v/pizzagate, I have added links from Vindicator's post that may help in what I'm trying to do):
TIMELINE OF PIZZAGATE RELATED CENSORSHIP
Pretty good summary article
TIMELINE : (Satanic) Pedo's and Cover-Ups everywhere... updated list
Fully sourced Silsby Haiti timeline
Trump's dig at Hillary during the Al Smith Dinner before the election, after PG broke
One of the more recent censored events
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Are_we__sure ago
Are you writing it as a straight article or an opinion piece?
First question: What is pizzagate? It's something that folks on here criticize reporters for when they try to define what it is, but it's actually pretty hard to explain what it is in a sentence or two. It's not even easy to say when and why it started.
Second question: how many words are you going for? This is a pretty big chunk to cover.
Rolling Stone did an article that will show some of the key dates.
dicedtomatoes55-2 ago
If I'm even allowed to write it. The meeting is this afternoon and I don't know how the environment is there or anything like that.
That's what I'm worried about as well. From what I've seen the article length can be varied, so I'm going to have to work out the details if I do get the go ahead. And I want to focus on the eye popping stuff, not get too in depth but just enough so people will research it themselves and make their own judgement. After all that is what we were all about in the beginning.
I'm going to make references to the emails and the weird code (pizza, sauce, walnuts, etc.) comet ping pong and the musicians who play there, alefantis's instagram (get into details about the pictures), the pegasus museum. I am going to close it out somehow with the eight million children go missing in the world every year fact. I think that'll leave something of an impression hopefully.
If there is something that anybody thinks I should get in, let me know.
IWorshipQAnon ago
Let us know if you are allowed to write it!!
dicedtomatoes55-2 ago
Got the go ahead! But not for this issue, apparently this one (that's due in by September 9th) already has two or three political articles. The next one, though, I have put my name to a slot!
IWorshipQAnon ago
Awesome =)
Are_we_sure ago
Just so you know, I'm a pizzagate skeptic.
How are you going to deal with the issue of primary sources? For example, how do you know there was code in the emails at all? What's the evidence for that?
Also that Laura Silsby timeline is full of falsehoods.
I've debunked several issues with that.
Also is this a fact?
Never heard that number.
dicedtomatoes55-2 ago
What I ask is the following: In your own words, please make sense of this: "Ps. Do you think I’ll do better playing dominos on cheese than on pasta?"
Or this: "The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yours? They can send it if you want. I know you’re busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it."
KnightsofHubris ago
OK. Those are old numbers. The numbers have been going down for about two decades. The latest numbers are about 450-500K.
But this big number does not mean 450,000 kids are kidnapped off the streets every year. This is every time a child is reported as missing, even if it's just for a few hours and the kid is found safe. The number of abductions is way, way smaller and the majority of kids being abducted is when a parent in the middle of a custody battles snatches the kids.
http://www.pollyklaas.org/about/national-child-kidnapping.html
Are_we_sure ago
Is this for the article or your own understanding about pizzagate?
By the way, the more I think about it, this is probably a great exercise in teaching journalism. You can probably easily get a month of lessons how trying to pin down how pizzagate started and what caused it to start: Sorting Fact from Rumor on the internet, chasing down evidence on ephemeral digital media, weighing claims of fact from anonymous screennames, libel law, etc. You could probably use these and more as an argument.
As to your questions I can answer them and even back up my answers, but I don't know how much that matters to your story. Does it matter what I know/believe?
As a journalist what do you know about those emails and what do you know to be true? In fact, what made you focus on those emails? Have you already made assumptions of fact?
There's a few different fields that try help us find out what is true. Journalism is one. Science is another. Law, Philosophy---particularly Logic is very helpful. In the courtroom when they often use the phrase, Assuming Facts Not in Evidence. For example a woman is found dead in a hotel room. At what time did you walk in and find her dead? is a valid question. At what time did you walk in and find her poisoned? has an assumption in it. If the prosecutor asked the second question, the defense lawyer made say *Objection, counselor is assuming facts not in evidence." This means he has to prove she was poisoned first before asking that question.
So it seems to me you have an assumption that coded language is being used. In science, you can say you have a hypothesis that code is being used and then try and prove or disprove it is in fact code. That might be hard to get to scientific certainly. You could use logic. Is there a rational explanation for the language they use? As an outsider, who doesn't know how these folks speak, it's hard to start from a place of certainty. The truth you don't know why they phrased this they way they did.
There's a common phrase about the burden of proof used in Skepticism: Great claims require great evidence meaning it's up to someone making a great claim to provide sufficient evidence for that claim to be taken seriously. If you walk in the house and tell me you've returned from the store, that's a hell of a lot more likely than if you walked and said you've returned from Antartica. In this case the burden of proof lies on those making the claim A. They were speaking in code. B. They have figured out which words are code and C. They know exactly how to decode those words.
By the way, you may want to look up Libel law and Libel Per Se. Only some states have Libel Per Se, but per se means the libel is so great they don't need to prove they were damaged and they win the case. It cuts out most of your defense and accusing someone of a crime is Libel Per Se. All it would require is them showing they have never been convicted of that crime and they would win the case and damages.
cryptopancakes ago
I'm curious what your debunking of the Laura Silsby timeline is. Could you elaborate?
KnightsofHubris ago
There was a document in Clinton's state department emails that was mistakenly listed in Wikileaks as an email from 1-1-2001. Based on that somebody claimed Clinton knew her for 10 years. In reality the document was not an email at all.....in fact there's no TO address info or FROM address info.......this is because this document is not an email at all. It was an attachment to an email and it was from 2010. Another email in the Clinton collection shows what the document is and who found it and how it got sent to Clinton. It all happened after Silsby was arrested.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2058303
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2122876
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2630232