The silly title of our investigation and the extrememly silly definition both came from the NYTimes, whose only source for their definition (HRC running a sex slave ring frmo the basement of Comet) was a single comment underneath a post from some random guy on Facebook.
I detailed all of this in a series of 3 posts here on Voat, but they have disappeared. So it might be important to call more attention to some facts...
From Steemit: The Debunking of The New York Times' Debunking of Pizzagate
Analysis
We need only look at the first sentence of this supposedly objective article to uncover the first piece of misinformation.
In the span of a few weeks, a false rumor that Hillary Clinton
and her top aides were involved in various crimes snowballed
into a wild conspiracy theory that they were running a
child-trafficking ring out of a Washington pizza parlor.
No one--or at least no one credible--is asserting that Hillary Clinton and her top aides (meaning John Podesta and co.) are running a child-trafficking ring out of Comet Ping Pong Pizza. It has merely been alleged--and not without merit--that they are involved in a paedophile ring. It's also not a widely held theory that this child-trafficking ring is being run specifically out of Comet Ping Pong Pizza. A better representation of the theory would be to state that Comet is alleged to be a paedophile-friendly environment which invites paedophile-friendly bands to perform there, and has curious ties to the government establishment in Washington DC.
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MeatballPizza ago
It began as a Reddit thread on The_Donald. Then was split off there and then was closed down there and came here.
The lying about what it was all about was from Day 1. That's what they do.
V____Z ago
I think timing wise, it didn't actually begin on Reddit. But we might be talking a matter of days or even hours. This was likely a coordinated effort to litter the internet with this term. Maybe the term came from Reddit, but the NYT was the first to make up the definition as we know it today, does that seem correct?
Are_we__sure ago
This was likely a coordinated effort to litter the internet with this term. Maybe the term came from Reddit, but the NYT was the first to make up the definition as we know it today, does that seem correct?
This false. Pizzagate was in such wide circulation, that this Turkish journalist was referencing the Pizzagate hashtag in mid-November.
@Mehmet_Ali_ONEL Follow Follow @Mehmet_Ali_ONEL More Mehmet Ali ÖNEL Retweeted Satanist pedofilci #PizzaGate rezaletinde ABD tepe isimleri konuşuluyor. Yıllardır bilinen rezalet şimdi patlatiliyor. O da ayrı bir rezalet 3:45 AM - 16 Nov 2016
https://twitter.com/Mehmet_Ali_ONEL/status/798854388462694400
V____Z ago
Referencing the hashtag is not the same as giving the definition, so what exactly is your argument?
Are_we_sure ago
My argument is the very title of this thread is completely false and it's very easy to prove your argument is false. And referencing the hashtag means it had to already be in use and people knew what the reference was too. If people understood the reference, it could be defined.
Both of these claims are false.
as is this one
People were going to Comet Ping Pong and videoing the place and trying to claim locked liquor storage which is common throughout the restaurant industry were cages for children. Not only were they making this claim, they made it over and over and over and over again.
Here's a challenge for you. Define what pizzagate was in 2016 in a sentence that would makes sense to a newspaper reader who has never been on Reddit.
V____Z ago
You can't be serious.
It might be possible to do this with a series of words.
Podesta log in: "password"
Leaked emails
Code words: pedophilia
Abromovich
chicken sacrifice to Mollock
torture chamber
kids in the heated pool, for John Podesta's "entertainment"
$65K for hot dogs shipped to the White House from Chicago
Are_we_sure ago
Then you can see the problem a reporter would have summarizing how people came to believe in some child trafficking ring.
Almost every item on this list is wrong or misinterpreted. Leaked emails is the only thing that's correct.
Podesta's gmail password was not password and no one simply guessed his password. His gmail password was actually Runner4657. Podesta's emails were hacked through a spearfishing campaign that also targeted a lot of other people Colin Powell's emails were also hacked.
All of your other stuff is not evidence but claims. Claims for which you have no evidence. There are no code words used in Podesta emails. Zero. Provide your evidence for this claim....the whole pizzagate theory rests on this.
Yes, Tony Podesta mentioned being in the torture chamber that's a fact. But you have no evidence that is not a simple metaphor which is commonly used. I heard someone say today at work was torture this week. She works in marketing for a supermarket chain.
V____Z ago
Provide evidence that there were no code words on those emails. I'm on pins and needles waiting to hear your reply.
Are_we_sure ago
No link was ever given for the code word list. In fact it didn't even come from a web page. Some anonymous guy just made up a list and screenshotted it. That's what all the claims are based on. An anonymous post with a made up list with no source at all.
If you search the web for evidence that ice cream = male prostitute you won't find anything before pizzagate because the list is a hoax. You will find no evidence that map = semen. It's all garbage.
Also this is a small group of people who already know each other, why would they borrow an existing code known to others. It's complete nonsense.
V____Z ago
You gave only 2 examples of garbage and concluded "it's all garbage".
No. Most of the code words like hot dogs, pizza and cheese, make NO SENSE in the emails and for that reason, made people look into what they might mean. They quickly found what the FBI also has, that those are words to refer to sex (and often trafficking) of children. "Chicken" often refers to little boys (see "chicken lover") and children (rather than chickens) are the common sacrifice for Mollock in their religion which goes back ages.
People use code words not to hide things from those they know, but from authorities, when those things are illegal. Drug dealers have been doing this for a long time too.
Are_we_sure ago
A. This is not true, they do make sense. Ever one of them can be understood as is. These email were read in a context of hyperpartisan hatred by a group determined to find dirt and then if there was no dirt to find to manufacture it. And they did.
B. The emails are not directed at you, it's somebody else's conversation. People you don't know and don't know how they normally speak.
Stop right there. This is false. go look this up. The FBI found nothing about these words. No need arguing further.....this is a false premise for the rest of your argument.
V____Z ago
Explain why Obama spent $65K on hot dogs and pizza flown in from Chicago? What do they mean "using the same channels" - that doesn't sound so innocent. https://i.redditmedia.com/wFlhtZzDTMLZQMyYsv_Cm8So33v6H4mheMQHmYb4qCU.png?s=18f1f144abcffecc285fbbd1aeb0020a
Are_we_sure ago
I have many times on this board.
Obama never did. That was gossip from an Obama hating guy in Austin, TX. Not an insider. Most of the details about that are completely wrong. Obama was having his favorite pizzamaker from Pi pizza in St Louis make pizza at the White House. This caused a minor controversy from pizzamakers in Chicago, that Obama who is from Chicago didn't choose a Chicago guy. This then morphed into a controversy on right wing media who were trying to portray Obama as an out of touch elitist, that he had the guy flown in a private plane. (There was controversy at the time over auto CEOs flying into Washington to ask for a bailout.) This spawned a controversy about Obama not being environmentally sounds, a different controversy about Obama using a government plane to fly the guy in and waste taxpayer dollars, etc. This was all over right wing media/social media for a while but the stories had it wrong. The guy flew from St Louis to DC commercial, they timed it for when he was going to be in DC anyone and he donated his time and his food. The White House actually paid $0 for this pizza party and the pizza guy got like a million bucks free publicity, he went on the morning talk shows. You know what they called this controversy back in 2009? Pizzagate. I kid you not. Check out the end of this article
https://www.stlmag.com/dining/Pi-at-The-White-House-on-Fox-and-Friends-on-Great-Day-St-Louis/
found my old comments https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2477265 https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2573942/12936958