The silly title of our investigation and the extrememly silly definition both came from the NYTimes, whose only source for their definition (HRC running a sex slave ring frmo the basement of Comet) was a single comment underneath a post from some random guy on Facebook.
I detailed all of this in a series of 3 posts here on Voat, but they have disappeared. So it might be important to call more attention to some facts...
From Steemit: The Debunking of The New York Times' Debunking of Pizzagate
Analysis
We need only look at the first sentence of this supposedly objective article to uncover the first piece of misinformation.
In the span of a few weeks, a false rumor that Hillary Clinton
and her top aides were involved in various crimes snowballed
into a wild conspiracy theory that they were running a
child-trafficking ring out of a Washington pizza parlor.
No one--or at least no one credible--is asserting that Hillary Clinton and her top aides (meaning John Podesta and co.) are running a child-trafficking ring out of Comet Ping Pong Pizza. It has merely been alleged--and not without merit--that they are involved in a paedophile ring. It's also not a widely held theory that this child-trafficking ring is being run specifically out of Comet Ping Pong Pizza. A better representation of the theory would be to state that Comet is alleged to be a paedophile-friendly environment which invites paedophile-friendly bands to perform there, and has curious ties to the government establishment in Washington DC.
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MeatballPizza ago
It began as a Reddit thread on The_Donald. Then was split off there and then was closed down there and came here.
The lying about what it was all about was from Day 1. That's what they do.
V____Z ago
I think timing wise, it didn't actually begin on Reddit. But we might be talking a matter of days or even hours. This was likely a coordinated effort to litter the internet with this term. Maybe the term came from Reddit, but the NYT was the first to make up the definition as we know it today, does that seem correct?
Are_we__sure ago
This was likely a coordinated effort to litter the internet with this term. Maybe the term came from Reddit, but the NYT was the first to make up the definition as we know it today, does that seem correct?
This false. Pizzagate was in such wide circulation, that this Turkish journalist was referencing the Pizzagate hashtag in mid-November.
@Mehmet_Ali_ONEL Follow Follow @Mehmet_Ali_ONEL More Mehmet Ali ÖNEL Retweeted Satanist pedofilci #PizzaGate rezaletinde ABD tepe isimleri konuşuluyor. Yıllardır bilinen rezalet şimdi patlatiliyor. O da ayrı bir rezalet 3:45 AM - 16 Nov 2016
https://twitter.com/Mehmet_Ali_ONEL/status/798854388462694400
V____Z ago
Referencing the hashtag is not the same as giving the definition, so what exactly is your argument?
Are_we_sure ago
My argument is the very title of this thread is completely false and it's very easy to prove your argument is false. And referencing the hashtag means it had to already be in use and people knew what the reference was too. If people understood the reference, it could be defined.
Both of these claims are false.
as is this one
People were going to Comet Ping Pong and videoing the place and trying to claim locked liquor storage which is common throughout the restaurant industry were cages for children. Not only were they making this claim, they made it over and over and over and over again.
Here's a challenge for you. Define what pizzagate was in 2016 in a sentence that would makes sense to a newspaper reader who has never been on Reddit.
V____Z ago
You can't be serious.
It might be possible to do this with a series of words.
Podesta log in: "password"
Leaked emails
Code words: pedophilia
Abromovich
chicken sacrifice to Mollock
torture chamber
kids in the heated pool, for John Podesta's "entertainment"
$65K for hot dogs shipped to the White House from Chicago
Are_we_sure ago
Then you can see the problem a reporter would have summarizing how people came to believe in some child trafficking ring.
Almost every item on this list is wrong or misinterpreted. Leaked emails is the only thing that's correct.
Podesta's gmail password was not password and no one simply guessed his password. His gmail password was actually Runner4657. Podesta's emails were hacked through a spearfishing campaign that also targeted a lot of other people Colin Powell's emails were also hacked.
All of your other stuff is not evidence but claims. Claims for which you have no evidence. There are no code words used in Podesta emails. Zero. Provide your evidence for this claim....the whole pizzagate theory rests on this.
Yes, Tony Podesta mentioned being in the torture chamber that's a fact. But you have no evidence that is not a simple metaphor which is commonly used. I heard someone say today at work was torture this week. She works in marketing for a supermarket chain.
V____Z ago
Provide evidence that there were no code words on those emails. I'm on pins and needles waiting to hear your reply.
Are_we_sure ago
No link was ever given for the code word list. In fact it didn't even come from a web page. Some anonymous guy just made up a list and screenshotted it. That's what all the claims are based on. An anonymous post with a made up list with no source at all.
If you search the web for evidence that ice cream = male prostitute you won't find anything before pizzagate because the list is a hoax. You will find no evidence that map = semen. It's all garbage.
Also this is a small group of people who already know each other, why would they borrow an existing code known to others. It's complete nonsense.
V____Z ago
You gave only 2 examples of garbage and concluded "it's all garbage".
No. Most of the code words like hot dogs, pizza and cheese, make NO SENSE in the emails and for that reason, made people look into what they might mean. They quickly found what the FBI also has, that those are words to refer to sex (and often trafficking) of children. "Chicken" often refers to little boys (see "chicken lover") and children (rather than chickens) are the common sacrifice for Mollock in their religion which goes back ages.
People use code words not to hide things from those they know, but from authorities, when those things are illegal. Drug dealers have been doing this for a long time too.
Are_we_sure ago
A. This is not true, they do make sense. Ever one of them can be understood as is. These email were read in a context of hyperpartisan hatred by a group determined to find dirt and then if there was no dirt to find to manufacture it. And they did.
B. The emails are not directed at you, it's somebody else's conversation. People you don't know and don't know how they normally speak.
Stop right there. This is false. go look this up. The FBI found nothing about these words. No need arguing further.....this is a false premise for the rest of your argument.
V____Z ago
Explain why Obama spent $65K on hot dogs and pizza flown in from Chicago? What do they mean "using the same channels" - that doesn't sound so innocent. https://i.redditmedia.com/wFlhtZzDTMLZQMyYsv_Cm8So33v6H4mheMQHmYb4qCU.png?s=18f1f144abcffecc285fbbd1aeb0020a
Are_we_sure ago
I have many times on this board.
Obama never did. That was gossip from an Obama hating guy in Austin, TX. Not an insider. Most of the details about that are completely wrong. Obama was having his favorite pizzamaker from Pi pizza in St Louis make pizza at the White House. This caused a minor controversy from pizzamakers in Chicago, that Obama who is from Chicago didn't choose a Chicago guy. This then morphed into a controversy on right wing media who were trying to portray Obama as an out of touch elitist, that he had the guy flown in a private plane. (There was controversy at the time over auto CEOs flying into Washington to ask for a bailout.) This spawned a controversy about Obama not being environmentally sounds, a different controversy about Obama using a government plane to fly the guy in and waste taxpayer dollars, etc. This was all over right wing media/social media for a while but the stories had it wrong. The guy flew from St Louis to DC commercial, they timed it for when he was going to be in DC anyone and he donated his time and his food. The White House actually paid $0 for this pizza party and the pizza guy got like a million bucks free publicity, he went on the morning talk shows. You know what they called this controversy back in 2009? Pizzagate. I kid you not. Check out the end of this article
https://www.stlmag.com/dining/Pi-at-The-White-House-on-Fox-and-Friends-on-Great-Day-St-Louis/
found my old comments https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2477265 https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2573942/12936958
septimasexta ago
IT ALL STARTED WITH THE WIKILEAKS CLINTON / PODESTA EMAIL DUMPS
One of the Chans or Reddit noticed emails between Uma and Hillary regarding the Laura Silsby affair in Haiti. They were surprised that she was aware of Silsby's "ministry" before Haiti. Of course Silsby had been convicted of child trafficking in Haiti. The Clintons were instrumental in getting her out of jail. Researching this led to other connections and references in the emails, including Comet Pizza and owner James Alefantis. The inclusion of the FBI pedo symbols in the wikileaks dump led to more discoveries. The odd pizza references from Podesta and friends as well as a fundraiser held at Comet Pizza drew the investigator's attention. Early access to Alefantis' public Instagrams as well as friends' comments really opened the door into a non-mainstream culture. It was discovered that Alefantis was listed as 49th most powerful in DC by an established magazine. This seemed very odd, so Alefantis' connections were examined which led to David Brock and even Lynn Rothschild, and of course Hillary Clinton and John Podesta via the fundraising circuit. The Alefantis Instagram photos referred to a "kill room" and showed perhaps unregistered building modifications on Alefantis property which included what appeared to be a tunnel of some sort and many other creepy images including lots of children. The more researchers dug, the darker it got. To sum it up, it was a more ORGANIC discovery made by numbers of random researchers, who didn't necessarily know each other, nor were they formally organized. Different groups emphasized different areas of research at the beginning. Most initially knew nothing about child trafficking or pedo culture. Knowledge increased over time. And yes, Jimmy Comet does own a basement. It is in his Buck's Fishing and Camping restaurant a few doors down from Comet Ping Pong. Both restaurants have two stories - Buck's has a basement and the main floor restaurant. Comet has the main floor restaurant and a second story above. How it is utilized, no one knows for sure. Later, a researcher claimed to have hacked Comet's website and found cp on it. He allegedly reported his findings to the DC police and received a written receipt acknowledging this. A few days later, actor Maddison Welch shows up at Comet and allegedly shot the computer tower, although there were no direct witnesses. Many researchers believed the incident to be a FF. Early on, the MSM tried to discredit researchers as more of their findings leaked out to the masses. I do not think they coined the term Pizzagate. I think it just became know as that by researchers as the information regarding the pizza code words grew. Of course the MSM had to call it something, in order to discredit the research, so the name Pizzagate was used. Personally, I think the name has helped our cause because it generates curiosity and people would seek out info on it. It also helps to expose the very real use of food terms by pedo culture and disrupts their covert operations. Still not sure about the pizza connection? Just "duck duck go" this: miley cyrus lips pizza photos
Vindicator ago
That was @PleadingtheYiff who uncovered the Silsby thing. Will Craddick, who was a mod of the original r/pizzagate, then here on v/pizzagate, then started his own independent investigative journalism site, Disobedient Media. The reason it all went viral (beyond Reddit) was because Wikileaks retweeted his Silsby piece.
Are_we__sure ago
The Clinton Silsby theory that Craddick claimed is completely false as I have shown several times. Very few folks on here have the intellectual honesty to admit that.
@septimasexta
There's several thing false here. Clinton was not aware of Silsby at all before she was arrested as I shown over and over. Most recently here https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2630232
Craddick/Pleading the Yiff made the false claim that Hilary Clinton knew about Silsby from 2001. He made this false claim based on this document.
https://foia.state.gov/Search/results.aspx?searchText=C05766664&beginDate=&endDate=&publishedBeginDate=&publishedEndDate=&caseNumber=
This document was found on the website of the East Falls Baptist Church in Idaho after Silsby was arrested. It was obviously written after the Haitian Earthquake from 2010. Craddick claims it was an email from 2001. It was not an email. It was an attachment to this email. It's document called nIcrhaitianorphanrescuemission.pdf
https://foia.state.gov/search/results.aspx?searchText=C05766635&beginDate=&endDate=&publishedBeginDate=&publishedEndDate=&caseNumber=
From: Mills, Cheryl D MillsCD@state.gov Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:39 PM To: H Subject: Fw: 10 AmCits arrested with 33 children, headed to DR. Now under arrest in Port au Prince Attachments: nIcrhaitianorphanrescuemission.pdf
So we know exactly how that document got in Hillary's inbox because it's explained in that email.
We know the exact date that got in Hilary's inbox. We know that nobody at the State Department knew who this group was before their arrested and they didn't know who Silsby was before her arrest.
Craddick's claim is false. So there only case of child trafficking connected to Pizzagate IS NOT CONNECTED at all. None of the emails about Silsby existed before she was arrested. All that followed was not because of any personal connection to Silsby, but because the State Department gets involved when Americans are arrested overseas. Period.
These two other claims you make are also false
Silsby was not convicted of child trafficking. In fact, she was never charged with child trafficking. She was facing charges of kidnapping and criminal association. These charges were dropped by the Haitian courts. This is mostly likely because Silsby actually had permission from the parents to take the kids, the kidnapping charges probably wouldn't have held up in court.
http://www.bpnews.net/32802/silsby-to-face-trial-in-haiti-charges-dropped-against-9
The Clintons were not instrumental in getting her out of jail. She was convicted on a lesser charge and sentenced to time served. The State Department explicitly rejected appeals from Baptists leaders for the Clintons to get involved. http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/09/haiti.clinton.arrests/index.html