The Day 8 thread has gotten gigantic, and is no longer getting new views. The only people reading it are a few "pro" and "con" advocates. Neither side is convincing the other. So I'm starting a new thread with a proposal for how to move forward.

My argument is currently opposed by three people, not counting WIC himself: @srayzie, @ESOTERICshade, and @Mej777. Other folks like @oftotc have side concerns. I'll take @ESOTERICshade first. Because the rest don't talk so much about WIC, I'll deal with them all in a separate submission.

you are calling WIC a liar because WIC hasn't offered you "proof."

No, I'm calling WIC a liar because he told a bunch of lies. He also hasn't offered any evidence, but that's a separate issue (see below). When he says that the Johnson family donated to the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville, he's lying. When he says Glenn Modrigrano is a mobster, he's lying. When he says Rotary are major donors to the Clinton Foundation, that's a lie. When he implies that he posted the info about the mayor of Racine and Curt Johnson, that's a lie. The lies matter, just as the lack of evidence matters.

Your rambling story has produced no proof.

Proof of what? I've proved lots of things. First I showed that HLI and Senate Anon both lied in claiming that ROJ/SOBIB or Adams Morgan were "insider" information. Then when @ababcb defended Senate Anon, he retreated several times. First he admitted that Senate Anon didn't "risk his life". Then I showed that Senate Anon never mentioned Sarasota at all, so his story became that the random 8chan anon that he got Sarasota from was Senate Anon in disguise. Three liars exposed. That's proof of something.

Second thing, I proved that WIC doesn't offer evidence of his claims. Now, that led to a new argument about why WIC might endanger his "witnesses" and "victims" if he did offer proof. We'll deal with that. But let's agree: I said WIC doesn't offer evidence because he claims to be a special insider, and WIC himself said the same, see below.

The criminal RICO investigation was obstructed and the FBI does not confirm or deny their investigations yet our sources met with them directly many times.

You'd have to be very special to get briefings on secret FBI RICO investigations.

Now I want to talk once more about a huge find. Twice, I posted a lead that would smash the Democrats and badly damage the Clinton machine -- the Milwaukee part of the Wisconsin recount. WIC ignored it the first time, back in May. He sent his sockpuppet @fogdryer to tell us that Mike Pence is a pedo. The second time, he just said "Jill Stein is a controlled dingbat". But that's an evasion. I said all along that Stein's motive in asking for the recount doesn't matter. The point is that it exposed the last-minute rigging job. So here's a blatant crime by the Clinton machine in Wisconsin that we can actually prove, and yet @Wisconsin_Is_Corrupt doesn't care about it, won't say a word about it. Instead he posts stuff like this, just the other day:

Paul Ryan is never getting arrested. Timothy Dolan is never getting arrested. Reince Priebus is not getting arrested. Tom DeLonge is not getting arrested. Evan McMullin is not getting arrested. Message us when any big arrests happen in Wisconsin. The swamp cannot and will not be drained in our corrupt system. Paul Ryan is guarding the swamp, and those at the top are working above and beyond the reach of any effective justice.

WIC is also quite nasty. When ESOTERICshade challenged him to make more sense five days ago, he condescended with: "Then you cannot be Saved." Have I dismissed anyone in so pompous a way? And @4_InquiringMinds has asked some excellent questions about his Racine story:

Can you elaborate on why you say this? Would they not have hubs all over the US, Europe and elsewhere? Would they risk it all by having one place that can take it all down? ... I have searched online for other racine posts and all that came up was one from last spring on lunatic outpost which simply commented on a racine post you made here. Why is this not being discussed on all the major conspiracy sites...?

To this reasonable inquiry, WIC replied:

We do not trust Reddit and we do not trust you either, [name redacted]. We don't take this lightly. You betrayed our trust and are now joining in the hit job on us. Congratulations I hope you feel proud of yourself for working for the criminal corrupt Elite planning to enslave the world.

This is unresponsive to the question and violates forum norms. And then there's this gem. You guys really don't see the resemblance to HLI or to Tory Smith, when his "insider" knowledge about the FBI morphs into wacky "insider" knowledge of this kind?

Their new "God" is forged through AI as we approach Singularity. The result is not only Global Enslavement but Eternal Enslavement with transhumanism where they control whether you have the ability to die. They will remove all sense of individualism and free will, and all hope for an afterlife.

This is not the first time he's said this stuff. What "sources" could possibly have told him this? Why doesn't this smash all his credibility right on the spot? Never mind something as trivial as figuring out what David Brock spends his slush fund money on. This guy knows that the real evil plan of the Clinton gang is to make everyone immortal and then enslave them forever to keep them out of Heaven. It sure would smash my credibility, if I said that! He hasn't yet said Satan and Lucifer are aliens from Sigma Draconis, as Tory Smith did. But he will, in time, if you all keep giving him an audience.

So I'll say this one last time: This is the guy you're defending. The one who lies to you, browbeats and threatens you, passes himself off with zero evidence as another insider who just knows stuff like HLI or Senate Anon, and tells you with literally godlike omniscience that the situation is hopeless.

Having said that, I'm going to move on, and be productive. ESOTERICshade wrote:

Your whole story was a fishing expedition on behalf of some worried criminals. I knew this whole enterprise of yours stunk from the beginning I just wasn't sure what you were fishing for. Now we know....

Let's remove that suspicion permanently, with a joint resolution. First, because of the danger that naming sources or witnesses would harm WIC or someone else, he is relieved of any responsibility in that area. I'm not asking him any more. I bow to his divine power as a galactic overlord to just make sh*t up. Second, we agree that WIC will stay active and not be banned. Third, to make use of his leads, while respecting his "sources" and "witnesses" and such, we'll make a master list. We will verify, item by item, that he has indeed never provided any evidence or any specific allegations on these corrupt organizations, individuals, and projects, all supposedly related to Racine and Paul Ryan:

UN Agenda 2030, the Knights of Pythias, Rotary International, the Mayo Clinic, SC Johnson Corporation, Curt Johnson, the mayor of Racine, the Pilgrims Society, the Club of Rome, Kristin Bauer van Straten, secret FBI Racine criminal RICO case, Community Policing, Council on Sustainable Development, Earth Summit Rio, Zika Patent and Labs, Gates Foundation, Art in Embassies, Council on Foreign Relations, Majority 12, Timothy Dolan & Racine Dominicans, the mafia, Council of 13, the Clinton Foundation, the Gates Foundation, vaccines, Racine airport, Racine harbor, Wheaton Franciscan, Freemasons, Epic Systems, Allentown PA, Cargill, Monsanto, DuPont, Dow, Bayer, Solvay, Reince Priebus, Fight to End Exploitation, I-94 Project, Racine County Coalition Against Human Trafficking, Racine Social Justice League, Fred Young, Sustainability (Satan's Ability), John Jeffry Louis, Christine Whitman, Henry Kissinger and Committee of 300, Les Aspin, Guy Oswary, Ron Burkle, Peter Thiel, Kabbalah, Jesuits, LDS, OTO, Scientology, Racine Interfaith Coalition, U.S. Ukraine Business Council, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Rock Lake, Lake Michigan Stonehedge, Man Mound, Aztalan, Jeff Neubauer, Caron Butler, Yarber family

Fourth, once we have verified that WIC did not mention sources, witnesses, specific allegations, or evidence in relation to these topics, Voaters can investigate them, to figure out what WIC would tell us, if only he could. And I will help them! We'll call this pile of names The Evil League of Evil, and check off our progress each week. If we find nothing, that does not alter WIC's Truth, it simply means that we are inferior to WIC who after all knows about the highest level of the FBI, the Singularity, and the afterlife. But then if we find something, he will be proven correct, because by simply mentioning these names, he has proved that he already knows everything. WIC wins regardless. As he said yesterday:

We don't care about credit. We knew about Mayor Becker being a pedo before he was arrested long before anyone posted about it on voat. Same goes for Curt Johnson. ... We don't need to research this because we know it all directly through our sources.

Together we'll shine a light on every word posted by WIC, review everything in detail. We'll turbocharge the Racine lead! And we'll keep at it for as long as it takes, until everyone is thoroughly sick of researching stuff that leads nowhere. Meanwhile, I still have a bunch of things to post on my project, and I trust no one will object to that.

So that's my proposal. By the way, if you wonder where I got this list, these are just the names he has dropped in the past four days.