The Silsbygate episode of pizzagate was always one of the silliest ones to me because believing it seemed to rely on absolutely blind hatred of Hillary Clinton and a willful ignoring of the facts.
It's also the most serious episode, because it's the only connection to an actual crime.
There are now two major claims involving this. One is that Clinton knew Silsby for a long time and only looked out for her based on this personal involvement, rather that as part of her responsibilities as Secretary of State. Two is that Alefantis is somehow connected to Silsby.
I've also found a massive bit of evidence I haven't seen before that I'll discuss later.
Claim 1: Clinton knew Silsby for a long time
Here's the post that kicked it all off on Reddit. I think this guy was deliberately lying.
https://archive.is/CZP2F
Why do I think he must be lying. One is he points to a document that is not an email and claims it's an email. Secondly the document clearly talks about the Haitian Earthquake of 2010 and yet this guy claims it's from 2001.
From earlier tonight.
Literally the 3rd and 4th sentences of the Reddit Post that started this is completely false
Hillary has a LONG history of interest in Ms. Silsby. Wikileak emails dating back till at least 2001 have been found in her archives discussing Laura's NGO.
It absolutely false that Hillary has a LONG history of interest in Silsby.
It is absolutely false this document is an email.
It is absolutely false this document dates back to 2001.
Reddit's TheDonald fans couldn't have cared less if this was true, but it's mind boggingly that anyone else believed it. For one thing WIKILEAKS DOES NOT HAVE CLINTON'S EMAILS FROM 2001! For another thing, the document is about the Haitian Earthquake. WHICH TOOK PLACE IN 2010!
How did people miss this? Hillary's emails are from her time as secretary of state which began in 2009. And the her clintonemail.com account did not even exist in 2001. Look at the document, it clearly is talking about January 2010........The Urgent Need: The number of Haitian orphans is estimated to have increased by 300% as a result of the catastrophic earthquake this past week.
One reason that people missed this, is that Wikileaks has this wrong in their system and they have it wrong to this day. (The Millennial_Falcon summary evidence is also an absolute mess on Silsby.) Wikileaks identifies this as an email "emailid/3776"
Yet, when you look at the email 3776, you see it's not an email. How can you have an email with no sender and no recipient. Even if you write a draft, the from is filled out. And we know the date is completely wrong. My guess is Jan 1, 2001 is a default.
From:
To:
Date: 2001-01-01 03:00 AM
It was an attachment to an email and it was downloaded AFTER Silsby's group was arrested.
The email thread that has that attachment is from Cheryl Mills has the subject 10 AmCits arrested with 33 children, headed to DR. Now under arrest in Port au Prince
From: Mills, Cheryl D MillsCD@state.gov
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:39 PM
To:
Subject: Fw: 10 AmCits arrested with 33 children, headed to DR. Now under arrest in Port au
Prince
Attachments: nIcrhaitianorphanrescuemission.pdf
There's a couple of other things hugely important in that email thread. One is this whole thing is not coming from Clinton. It's coming from Consular Affairs in Haiti. Consular Affairs is part of the State Department's mission. It involves helping Americans arrested overseas.
Arrest or Detention of a U.S. Citizen Abroad
One of the highest priorities of the Department of State and U.S. embassies and consulates abroad is to provide assistance to U.S. citizens incarcerated abroad. The Department of State is committed to ensuring fair and humane treatment for U.S. citizens imprisoned overseas. We stand ready to assist incarcerated citizens and their families within the limits of our authority in accordance with international law, domestic and foreign law.
The second hugely important thing to note is nobody at the State Department knows who these people are. They are identified at 10 AMCIT or American Citizens. The only way the guy found the attachment is by googling the name of the group arrested in Haiti. You can go to the State Department's website and see all the emails chronologically from this email and see Silsby and these other Baptists from Idaho were unknowns. In fact, there's no evidence whatsoever that Hillary Clinton or anyone else in Washington DC, had any idea at all about who Laura Silsby and this group of Baptists from Idaho were before they got arrested in Haiti and that includes Alefantis and MacComby.
Claim 2: You can connect Alefantis to Silsby.
See here for this claim. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2057950
Alefantis knows Max Maccoby.
Maccoby worked for Friends of the Orphans.
Friends of the Orphans raised money for Nuestro Pequenos Hermanos.
Nuestro Pequeno Hermanos runs an orphanage in Haiti.
Silsby got the kids from the Nuestro Pequeno Hermanos orphanage.
The problem with this is the AP tracked where Silsby got everyone of the 33 children (13 from Citron and 20 from Callabas) she was arrested with. None were orphans She basically convinced their parents she would give them a better life in the Dominican Republic.
A reporter's visit Saturday to the rubble-strewn Citron slum, where 13 of the children lived, led to their parents, all of whom said they turned their youngsters over to the missionary group voluntarily in hopes of getting them to safety.
Similar explanations were given by parents in the mountain town of Callabas, outside Port-au-Prince, who told the AP on Feb. 3 that desperation and blind faith led them to hand over 20 children to the Baptist group.
Waxdino commented
The theory here is that Silsby got away with 100 kids from Friend of the Orphans. She was caught with 33 kids she gathered up off the street, but her "lawyer" Jorge Puello claimed she got kids from an orphanage that crumbled in the earthquake and called for help. Perhaps the sex-trafficker posing as a lawyer for a child trafficker slipped up and wasn't supposed to divulge that info.** Perhaps he pulled it completely from his ass,** but, that would be a strange coincidence given that the director of that orphanage has ties to Alefantis and Brock.
Friends of the Orphans indeed had a building that collapsed (or was it demolished?), but they claimed no children were in it at the time. However they reported that 100 fewer children were in their care post-earthquake.
I think that's enough strange coincidences to warrant a real investigation. Friends of the Orphans was never even questioned after Puello asserted that they were involved with Silsby.
So Waxdino recognizes this is a theory and the Puello is completely known liar. Also in that thread, I have researched and laid out what facilities Nuestro Pequeno Hermanos had in Haiti in 2010. I got this info from the NPH annual reports for 2008 and 2009.
https://issuu.com/nphi/docs/nph-haiti-country-report-2008 https://www.nph.org/intranet/reports/docs/6/2009%20NPHI%20Annual%20Report.pdf
I always dismissed the Maccoby story based on two things. One is that "Friends of the Orphans" is the name of a US group and wouldn't be the name used in Haiti. Two is Puello is just a crazy known liar.
Looking into @waxdino's claim I found that NPH did have a building collapse
Friends of the Orphans indeed had a building that collapsed
However, it was not the orphanage. It was the offices.
Kay Pere Wasson (Father Wasson Center) located in Pétionville, Port Au Prince This five-story building, formerly St. Damien Hospital, is the administrative hub of NPFS
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Millennial_Falcon ago
You lie. Jorge Puello told a reporter that the orphans came from a collapsed orphanage called "Friends of the Orphans of Haiti."
You ignore other key details from the Executive Summary:
Hillary Clinton was sent email updates on the prosecution of Laura Silsby, who was caught trafficking children in Haiti. Laura Silsby was got off the hook by Jorge Puello, who was later convicted of sex trafficking, and was wanted on charges of sex trafficking in four countries. Additional source. Izette Folger, a close friend of James Alefantis, gave a statement in support of Silsby. Folger is the daughter of Michael Maccoby, who coaches leaders of Nuestros Pequeños Hermanos, or NPH, a large organization that runs orphanages all over the world. His son, Max Maccoby, is on the Boards of Directors of an NPH orphanage called Friends of the Orphans, which is one of 760 orphanages operating in Haiti, and happens to be the orphanage from which Silsby was caught trafficking children. Max Maccoby gave an emphatic and lengthy statement of support for Comet during a contentious neighborhood commission meeting. The relevant portion of the audio file starts at 31:40.
RweSure ago
Possible Disinfo? That's hilarious. I think have debunked charge number 1. I certainty debunked the evidence used to assert charge #1. That's a valid bit of info for this investigation. Disinfo should be used when someone is actively lying and not just incorrect, right?
I will reply with my comments on this thread.
@hookednosedjoooo, are you trying to tell me that the entire Silsby thing was disinfo?
I have no idea how PleadingtheYiff could have written about a document that clearly was written or updated in January 2010 and claimed it was from 2001
@Commoner Yes or No? Did the state dept have the silsby document when they rescued her from Haiti?
I can't answer yes or no to this, because the State Department did not rescue her. She was convicted of a crime in Haiti and sentenced. She left Haiti after the Haitian Justice system was done with her.
On to MF.
Yes. Of course she was. Because she is the Secretary of State of the United States and ensuring that American citizens have their rights seen to is part of the State Department's mission. And this was a high profile case. Clinton's involvement in this case is NOT because of Laura Silsby who she didn't know. Clinton's involvement is because of her job, She was the secretary of State when this occurred. As I point out, the State Department got involved because it was 10 AMCIT arrested or 10 American Citizens. The State Department would have gotten involved if it was a different set of 10 American Citizens or if the crime was different. See the Amanda Knox case. In fact, the State Department was criticized for being slow to react in that murder case and Knox ended up deciding not to get a lawyer and wound up being falsely convicted.
I link to the State Department's page on Americans getting arrested overseas above and at the bottom is two bulleted lists of what the State Department can and cannot do. These two lists are very important in understand the email chain.
This has nothing to do with Clinton. And Silsby was not got off the hook, she was convicted of a lesser crime after a trial. Puello was not her lawyer at trial. This is another thing your summary seems to not understand. Puello was exposed and off the case by mid-February. Jean-Rene Tesir was her lawyer at trial which began in May. At the time of the trial Puello was under arrest in the Domican Republic and was awaiting extradition to the US by the time her trial began.
Why would you think he did anything for these Baptists that the Haitian courts couldn't reverse in the months before trial? Why do you say he got them "off the hook"
Which brings us to this.
Actually my post clearly says this
and clearly give my reason for not believing this to be true.
Two Questions for you. How am I lying when I mention and explain this? Why do you believe the word of Jorge Puello.
Other details.
Check your summary. You provide no link for the "Statement in support of Silsby." So I can evaluate that one way or another, can't see if she was just responding to what was in the news or something more material.
You do provide a link for the claim that the NPH orphanage https://archive.fo/ox7Fa#selection-523.0-533.198 and here is the quote
The context make clear, Puello makes this claim about the 33 children she was arrested with. So the theory mentioned by Waxdino, that I quote doesn't apply. (100 kids from Friend of the Orphans)
The same 33 children where the AP traced to Citron and 20 from Callabas. NPH operates no facilities there.
The NPH orphanage is in Kenscoff which is up in the mountains. As I said in the original post, the NPH bulding that collapsed was in Petitionville and was not an orphanage
Questions for @Millennial_Falcon
So MF, I ask you these questions (The first two of which I think have been definitely answered)
Commoner ago
I will rephrase it.
Did the State Department under Hillary Clinton have access to the Silsby's document when she was arrested in Haiti?
RweSure ago
When she was arrested? No. They did not
After she was arrested? Yes. They googled the group's name and found the document on the East Side Baptist Church website.
What conclusion do you draw from this?
Commoner ago
So what was the state dept's response and why did they have an email about this particular American that was arrested out of the country?
And what did the State dept know about all of the other Americans that were arrested?
You act as though the Haiti case and Amanda Knox case were the only two cases the State dept had to deal with. Why are there no emails about any other cases?
RweSure ago
**why did they have an email about this particular American ** This is the whole point. The State Department responded AFTER THE ARREST. Have you read the Cheryl Mills email that kicks this off, 10 AMCITS ARRESTED WITH 33 CHILDREN, HEADED TO DR. NOW UNDER ARREST IN PORT AU PRINCE? If you haven't read that email then you don't know about the Silsby case and the State Department. It's that simple.
It starts with a call to the embassy duty officer (literally the person who answers the phone in the middle of the night when you call an embassy) in the US Embassy in Haiti who emails/calls consular affairs and it goes up the chain.
The State Department knew nothing about any of the Americans at the time
It was not the person that caused the response. The response was because it involved American citizens. That's what consular services is about. It moved all the way up the chain because it was a high profile case. 10 Baptist Missionaries from Idaho arrested with orphans in Haiti after the Earthquake? That's a story that going to AND DID get tons of news all over the world. It was going an international incident, the missionaries were denounced by the Haitian Justice Minister, the Haitian Chief of National Police and the Haitian Prime Minister. Three former presidents of the Southern Baptist Convention appealed to President Obama on their behalf. It made headlines all over the world.
Because these were two massively high profile cases. The kind where the Secretary of State might get asked about. This isn't a guy was caught smuggling a pound of pot.
There are. Of course, there are. Why would you say there are not?