James Alefantis allegedly went on Pol and made a big freudian slip (pizzagate)

submitted ago by AmyJames

Someone sent me this and asked me to post it, Innocent Pizza Chef visiting /pol/ earlier (July 1 I believe) I was not there and I don't use reddit and I don't really know how exactly pol even runs but it appears as though he refers to his customers as his clients. Odd for a person with a pizza shop to call the random customers entering off and on throughout the day / week / month his clients, wouldn't you say?

http://imgur.com/a/YSkMj

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SoberSecondThought ago

I agree the transition from "my shop" to "his clients" is highly suspicious. But I actually find something else in that post even more suspect.

When he says "He already said he doesn't even like kids," that is very, very interesting to me, because the poster (whoever it is) is referring back to something Alefantis said to a researcher back in January. The researcher put up a YouTube video about the Pegasus Museum that Alefantis clearly found very alarming; he got into a Twitter DM conversation and phone call with Alefantis, and Alefantis very bluntly threatened his life and the lives of his family. This mirror video covers the whole episode fairly well. In it, Alefantis does three things of special interest:

  1. He uses threats of murder in a very casual, practiced way, as if this is far from the first time he has done it.

  2. He shows a really shallow understanding of online culture, referring to things he saw on Voat but asking, "What's mods?"

  3. He specifically says, "Everything they say about me is true. Except I don't like kids."

This visit to /pol/ has all the same characteristics. It sounds to me like the same guy. Alefantis is not a criminal mastermind, he plunges into interacting with researchers without preparing or thinking things through. He leaves a trail of clues a mile wide. As someone observed in the /pol/ thread, "Protection from officials has made you all sloppy, sloppy, sloppy."

I strongly urge anyone investing time in researching Pizzagate, to sit down and spend an hour or two just absorbing the clues that Alefantis provides in that video, linked above.

SoberSecondThought ago

Some further thoughts. People should also read the posts of birdzeyeview, who is strongly suspected of being Alefantis. It's just really, really revealing.

First, it shows the relatively limited resources that are being put into covering this up. There isn't a single experienced /b/tard overseeing the shilling for these guys, because if there was, he would immediately forbid Alefantis from ever going online. The guy is a loose cannon, as this thread illustrates. The thread is about the alleged rape victim holding an AMA on Reddit. Alefantis is flailing around everywhere, on Reddit, and on Voat. Over on Reddit he apparently tried to argue that he couldn't have raped his teenage employee because he's strictly a bottom, and finds topping "gross". Meanwhile on Voat he posted a total of five times in the thread, issuing vague threats about libel, calling everyone stupid, and fooling nobody as to his identity.

Occasionally he has made points that are based on more sober research, but they're the sort of thing that a $10-an-hour shill could do. So why is he doing it? Using the same username, he once went on Reddit and posted this:

you forgot about the underground tunnels (train tunnels) the pottery kilns (for cremation/s) random deaths of random people (Peterson, Kidman) the footie player who is a completely different footie player to who they said, the architect L'Enfant who did/not design DC a couple hundred years ago, the art by Louise B that you would have to be a very serious collector to afford, The fact Assange is not actually dead at all.....

then add in the drama, the drama, the drama in all caps, many !!!!! the drama, a bucketload more drama, and bingo! it all comes together /s

Now sure, those were all legitimate screwups. Again, I feel sure he laughs about the tunnel theory and brings it up at every opportunity, because there isn't a tunnel. The signal-to-noise ratio here on /v/pizzagate is pretty damn low sometimes. But while we're tediously sifting through LARPers and Sorcha Fail and endless clickbaity crap ... guess what? Alefantis is doing the same thing. He's reading all those false leads because there's nobody he can trust to do it for him. And he's not actually very good at it. This is way outside his skill set, even when he isn't drunk.

UnicornAndSparkles ago

I don't doubt for a second there isn't tunnels. I feel like he's mocking us because the entrance will be hidden like the toilet doors. Or the two day clean up when they closed down after the obvious false flag scary incident involving a Pizzagate researcher and a gun, could have easily given them time to cement it up.

Edit .. In regards to getting sloppy, I agree completely plus a possible use of drugs screwing his perception of this situation plus narcassim. You can't treat another human being in the ways we have learnt without being narcassitic to say the very least. I urge everyone to educate themselves on this behaviour. It will be there downfall.

AmyJames ago

There are numerous online support groups and v-logs for people to teach the ins and outs of narcissism. It's today's most recognized personality disorder.

10057530? ago

i feel like it's also a bit misunderstood and pop-psychologied these days, so i recommend relatively academic sources and also reading the anecdotes of people WITH narcissism to get an idea of what their inner experience is like (thus what drives them) and the anecdotes from people who've dealt with them, whether romantically, in their family, or at the workplace. that would give you the most well-rounded understanding from a layman's perspective and help you spot their behavioral patterns/manipulation both in real life and on this board.

AmyJames ago

ok, do you have any links for such a thing you would care to share? I have only seen the amateurs and the shrinks but I've never seen anyone admit they're a narcissist, except this one guy from 20 years ago who said that he knows he's not supposed to but he really believes he is better than everyone else.

10076279? ago

plenty of narcissists know that they're narcissists, from the spectrum of it being an intuitive knowing to them being clinically diagnosed. if they need you for something they're not going to admit this to you, but they really do know exactly who and what they are.

anecdotes from narcissists

anecdotal posts concerning covert narcissists

this page has a lot of valuable information on the disorder, with academic citations. if you need more than that it's easy to google it and sift through the sensationalized bullshit.

this page covers covert narcissism. millenials experience this manifestation of NPD at epidemic rates, imo. snowflakes and transgenders in particular.

those are some starting points, if you google people's personal experiences with narcissists just google the dynamic you're curious about (NPD + workplace) there's a lot out there so i can't really sift through those and point you in any direction. some people are really dramatic about their experience with NPD people, so many of these anecdotes are written sensationally. rather than be emotionally affected by the way the person is writing, take note of the behavioral dynamics between them and the narc, and how manipulation manifests in mild to severe forms.