Trump is correct that directed energy weapons were used on 9/11 and this is the Free Energy technology Podesta is pretending has been sent by aliens. Alright? Sitting comfortably? Good.
George Soros runs Tavistock
Tavistock developed the CIA
The CIA engineered the 1960s via drugs. Tavistock engineered The Beatles. The Beatles promoted Crowley The Movement promoted promiscuity, liberalism and ended in the darkness of The Manson Murders.
Timothy Leary wrote "How to wash brains" with Robert Anton Wilson. Timothy Leary is suspected to be CIA and spent time in the same prison as Manson prior to any of the alleged murders.
The Beatles went to India with Mia Farrow (B- blood), who played the role of Rosemary, in Rosemary's Baby about the birth of the antichrist.
The film was directed to Roman Polanski, his wife is Sharon Tate, who was murdered by the Manson family.
Rosemary's Baby was filmed in The Dakota Building, where John Lennon was shot.
Henry Kissinger's favourite film is "Chinatown", directed by Roman Polanski. It features someone wit the same Mark Of Cain that Madeleine McCann displayed in her photos.
The Oscar's this year, saw the star of Chinatown being humiliated and instead, a cast member of another film, who has a significant Mongolion Spot (blue birth-mark) was awarded.
Would just comment that it's much more likely that Sharon Tate murders were a false flag operation carried out by military. Charles Manson was also a very unlikely hippie at age 35 and spent most of his life in prison. Much more likely is the possibility that he was used.
Sharon Tate's father was CIA, evidently at a fairly high level.
Sharon Tate's father is Colonel Paul Tate. Abigail Folger, purportedly
murdered alongside Sharon Tate in the same house that night, had
similar ties to U.S. military intelligence. Her father is Peter Folger,
Major Peter Folger , who was a marines major/army intelligence
officer (Associate Chief Information Officer) with the famous Black Sheep
marine fighting squadron 214 stationed out of Hawaii in WW2:
Will try to find a link -- Mae Brussel wrote a fantastic and very complete article on this "event" but I'm still unable to locate again, but I do have a link to a less complete explanation of it which I will post.
Others, as well, have written on the likelihood of the Tate murders being a "false flag" operation.
At the time there was a growing youth movement which was anti-war and anti-MIC . . .
Indeed, in 1972, when the details began to come out about a break-in at Democratic Party headquarters in the Watergate Hotel, Mae immediately recognized personnel and modus operandi from nine years of assassination research, while the mainstream press continued to refer to Watergate as a "caper" and "a third-rate burglary." And so it came to pass that while Rabbi Magnin was entertaining Richard Nixon at his home in Los Angeles, his daughter Mae was revealing the President's role in an incredible conspiracy. Meanwhile, she also perceived an assassination plot, not merely against specific individuals, but against the entire counterculture that was burgeoning at the time.
"I realized that in this country we had a revolution--of housing, food, hair style, clothing, cosmetics, transportation, value systems, religion--it was an economic revolution, affecting the cosmetics industry, canned foods, the use of land; people were delivering their own babies, recycling old clothes, withdrawing from spectator sports. They were breaking the barriers where white and black could rap in 1967. This was the year of the Beatles, the summer of Sergeant Pepper, the Monterey Pop Festival, Haight-Ashbury, make your own candle and turn off the electricity, turn on with your friends and laugh--that's what life was all about."
http://maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Ballad%20of%20Mae%20Brussell.html
And ...
ARMY The Army began their chemical testing of LSD, the youth drug, in 1956, the same year they were planning Politica and Camelot in Cambridge, Mass.
Contracts for testing LSD and chemical agents continued through 1975.
January 21, 1969, the army reported "the LSD tests are rewarding. It is recommended that the actual application of LSD be utilized in real situations on an experimental basis."
Acid was distributed, surreptitiously, to large masses of the population. It was the chemical that was to link Helter Skelter and Gimme Shelter with blood and gore.
FACT 4 There is more to the creation of the Manson Family, and their direction than has yet been exposed.
There is more to the making of the movie Gimme Shelter than has been explained.
This saga has inter-connecting links to all the beautiful people Robert Hall was associated with.
The Manson Family and the Hell's Angels were instruments by which enemy forces could attack and discredit hippies and critical American youth who had dropped out of the establishment.
The violence came down from Neo-Nazi racists, adorned with Swastikas both in L.A. and in the Bay Area at Altamont.
The blame was placed on persons not even associated with the causes of death at all.
When it was all over, the Beatles and the Rolling Stones were the icing on this cake, this presentation, to rub musicians into a racist, neo-nazi plot.
By rearranging the facts, cutting here and there, distorting evidence, neighbors and family feared their own youth wandering through the communities.
Charles Manson made the cover of Life, with those wide eyes, like Rasputin.
Charles Watson didn't make the cover. Why not? He participated in all the killings. Manson wasn't inside the house. Because Manson played a guitar and made records. Watson didn't.
Charles Watson was too busy taking care of matters, at the lawyer's office prior to the killings, or with officials of the Young Republicans.
What were Watson's protections in Texas, where he remained until his separate trial prevented him from being psychologically linked to all the deaths he actually committed?
"Pigs" was written in Sharon Tate's house in blood. Was this to make blacks become targets and suspects for stalking white territory?
Credit cards of the La Bianca family were purposely deposited in the black ghetto after their massacre. The intention was to stir racial fears and hatred.
Who wrote the first article, "Did Hate Kill Tate?", blaming the Black Panthers for the murders? Army intelligence agent Ed Butler, Lee Harvey Oswald's old pal from New Orleans. They made a record together so that Oswald could pass himself off as a Marxist. Another deception.
Glasses were left on the floor of Sharon Tate's home the day of the murder. They were never identified.
Who moved all the bodies after the killers left and before the police arrived?
The Spahn ranch wasn't a hippie commune. It bordered the Krupp ranch, and has now been combined and incorporated to make a German Bavarian beer garden. Howard Hughes knew George Spahn. He went to this ranch daily while making The Outlaw.
You should read Dave McGowan if you haven't already; 'Programmed to Kill' is a pretty solid book that corroborates what you say but also provides more detailed connections.
McGowan also wrote another book about what we are looking at here in Pizzagate/Pedogate. He called this 'The Pedophocracy' and it's extremely informative.
McGowan name sounds vaguely familiar and will check your links -
Thank you! :)
What I would add to my post above would be the oft quoted comments by Dick Cheney and Karl Rove about the right wing controlling the past and therefore our reality -- and that while we're trying to figure out what was really going on, they were working on changing our reality again.
I had not heard those comments from Cheney and Rove before.
I can see obfuscation in the claim that it is the right-wing controlling history and reality, because I believe it is just one side of the same thing. Right hand, left hand - both parts of the same body with one mind controlling them. Of course a mind can be schizoid so it can seem like there are two personalities with their own characteristics but in essence it is one and the same.
Got to say that if our democratic political systems were people then they would have probably been committed in mental institutions a long time ago.
I don't think you're trying to deny that Dick Cheney or Karl Rove are right wing --
However, BOTH parties have been owned and controlled by the right wing for decades now.
Koch Bros. and other large corporations own the Democratic Party as well and that has been
true since the days of the DLC (Democratic Leadership Council) and they were represented on
the DLC's Executive Board. Bill Clinton was specifically recruited by the Koch Bros.
Koch Bros. Family is the John Birch Society and have worked for more than 100 years to try to overturn democracy in the US.
The McCarthy Era was about removing liberals from office and we haven't had a liberal
in the White House since JFK.
A small group of wealthy people have been running our country since the earliest days --
Re-read the Constitution and you will see that the document you were taught to honor and
esteem was one where the Founders actually created an Elite Patriarchy, endowed them
with land grants and gave the immense influence and control over the "people's" government,
the nation's wealth and natural resources.
The Founders also saved and protected the system of Slavery for Elites/wealthy even down to
the "Runaway Slave Act" which guaranteed the Civil War which further profited the wealthy by
dividing the population of the nation into two camps of hatred which still echo today.
Certainly agree with you that the people controlling our government, MIC, NSA and other government
agencies are insane -- and we should point that out more frequently -- !!
NOTE:
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these rightwing benefactors are the Koch brothers. But the Kochs have been working both sides of the fence. As Bill Berkowitz writes, the Koch brothers have also been funding the Democratic Leadership Council.
According to SourceWatch, a project of the Center for Media & Democracy, the brothers are "leading contributors to the Koch family foundations, which supports a network of Conservative organizations and think tanks, including Citizens for a Sound Economy, the Manhattan Institute the Heartland Institute, and the Democratic Leadership Council."
Charles Koch co-founded the Cato Institute in 1977, while David helped launch Citizens for a Sound Economy [now FreedomWorks] in 1986.
"Founding"
"Freeing Democrats from being, well, Democrats has been the Democratic Leadership Council's mission since its founding 16 years ago by Al Gore, Chuck Robb, and a handful of other conservative, mostly southern Dems as a rump faction of disaffected elected officials and party activists. Producing and directing the DLC is Al From, its founder and CEO, who's been the leader, visionary, and energizing force behind the New Democrat movement since Day One." --Robert Dreyfuss, The American Prospect, April 23, 2001.
Funding
An August, 2000 Newsweek story on Joe Liebermn, The Soul And The Steel[1] reveals that some of the early funding came from ARCO, Chevron, Merck, Du Pont, Microsoft, Philip Morris and Koch Industries:
His selection may also complicate Gore's efforts to depict Bush as a patsy for big business. Since 1995 Lieberman has chaired the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), the centrist think tank that eschews liberal dogma and promotes market-oriented approaches to policy. Like many similar groups, the DLC (of which Gore is a founding member) has never disclosed its funding sources. But last week, in response to requests from NEWSWEEK, it turned over a list of top donors. If Gore still hopes to score populist points by bashing Big Oil and pharmaceutical companies that oppose his plan to add a prescription-drug entitlement to Medicare, he may have some explaining to do. Among the DLC's biggest benefactors last year (contributions of between $50,000 and $100,000) were ARCO, Chevron and the drug giant Merck. Other big underwriters include Du Pont, Microsoft and Philip Morris (which has kicked in $500,000 since Lieberman became DLC chairman). There is no evidence that the DLC has trimmed policies to accommodate its patrons, but some contributors say the money has helped ensure an open door to Lieberman. "We've been able to have a dialogue with the senator and his staff," said Jay Rosser, spokesman for another DLC benefactor, Koch Industries, an oil-pipeline firm that is also a big GOP donor.
Critics
•Ralph Nader: described them as "corporatist" and "soulless."
•Joan Walsh, Salon.com,"The Democratic Weaselship Council", July 2003 "Has Karl Rove taken over the Democratic Leadership Council?"
Democratic Leadership Council - SourceWatch
Democratic Leadership Council - SourceWatch
The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) was co-founded in 1985 by Will Marshall, who served as its first Policy Director and who is the founder and President of DLC's think tank, the Progressive Policy Institute.
I don't think you're trying to deny that Dick Cheney or Karl Rove are right wing
No. Not at all.
Interesting take you have on it. I agree that the Koch Bros have financed both sides of the political dichotomy in recent times.
However, a little like geological time, ideological time exists similarly for these satanistic globalist child-murdering fuckers and their plan is played out over centuries.
Do these things date back to Sumerian times? Possibly, maybe earlier.
Who has controlled the global banking system in modern times? The London Corporation, the Rothschilds and the BIS in Switzerland.
Who controlled world religion and still aims to? The Vatican City.
Who controls the globe with their military? The Corporation of Washington DC.
Are these entities tied together historically? Probably.
Are The Committee of 300, The Tavistock Institue, the Frankfurt School, the Club of Rome, the CFR, Skull and Bones, the Bullingdon Club, the Bilderberg Group, The Knights of Malta, etc, etc. also involucrated in how the world exists in its current state? Definitely.
What can we do to change the system? Short of finding enough evidence to initiate a global French Revolution style culling, I'm not sure.
The Koch Bros. are much more dangerous than your "recent times" accounts for. They were at least indirectly involved in the JFK assassination* -- and which not only took our president but our "people's" government. From that time, our government has been in the hands of murderers and essentially insane or "soulless" people. LBJ exemplifies those involved at highest levels but he had long been involved with those like himself -- criminal, murderous and insane. The latter by his own definition.
See: LBJ: Mastermind of the JFK Assassination by Phillip Nelson
See: Blood, Money, Power by Barr McClellan
See: The Men Who Killed Kennedy/The Guilty Men on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F-LY1HblmE
But the Koch Bros. have always been involved with control of the nation's natural resources.
The Oil Industry (Clint Murchinson, prominently) had high motivation for the JFK assassination.
JFK was concerned for the environment and was going to overturn the Oil Depletion Allowance.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/inside-the-koch-brothers-toxic-empire-20140924
You are comparing this with the "Satanic globalist child-murdering f's and their plan over centurie." . . .
Certainly, I don't think anyone has suggested that the Koch Bros. are involved in human trafficking, but they are supporting both parties and their candidates and thus are at the least INDIRECTLY involved because of who they support.
(And, I would interject here again that there is no "Satan" and no "Devil" and no "Hell" which are simply the creations of organized patriarchal religions of the one-all male god. That does NOT mean that these boogey-men haven't been used to frighten the public into obedience and as a means of Mind Control Of course they have. Nor does it mean that there isn't real violence used in the rituals to frighten their victims.
The Old World Religions which existed thousands and thousands of years before had NO Satan, No Devil, No Hell and were based in Nature. The demons created by male-supremacist religions come from the minds and paranoia of males and are strictly their inventions -- fear used for the purpose of Mind Control.)
Nothing could be clearer than that our economies are created by citizens, but that they are manipulated and controlled by our Banks, Financial Institutions (and by our corrupt government and government officials) to benefit the wealthy.
As for religion, you can't ignore the Old Testament/Hebrew which was written to cement patriarchy.
You also have to consider that both the Old Testament and the New Testament are the underpinning for Elite Patriarchy and male-supremacy. The New Testament actually at times shows a Jesus in conflict with these changes where the history up to that time had followed matriarchal lines -- i.e., Joseph's family history was actually Mary's. And, most of these religions are manipulated regularly, as needed, for the benefit of Elites.
"Manifest Destiny" and "Man's Dominion Over Nature" having given license for exploitation of Nature by Elites.
Not only Nature and all animal-life, but even discrimination and murder based in myths of "inferiority" of women, native Americans, Jews, Homosexuals, Africans/People of Color.
See: Papal Edicts Calling for the "enslavement or murder" of Native Americans here and Africans enslaved here.
The Bull Inter Caetera
http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/indig-inter-caetera.html
And your paragraph before last repeats what I am saying to you ... Elite Patriarchy invented organized patriarchal religion and it is Elite Patriarchy which gives us these Elite male organizations where MALE heads of religions are involved (Knights of Malta) and where Elites males are involved with CFR, Skull and Bones, and Bilderberg, and among Elite MALES heading up our military ... where if you're familiar with Kay Griggs you also know that sexual abuse/violence is used at top levels, even NATO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQNitCNycKQ
World violence begins with male violence against women - basically thought to have begun with a famine in an area behind Turkey. But we are the ONLY species on the planet where the male population is involved in DEADLY violence and oppression of females. You will note that for the most part, even combat between males among other species is never to the death. It is believed that this oppression began about 50,000 years ago and turned the world upside down.
Further, since you are on this site, you also have to understand that MALES are our sexual abusers of children and that they are heterosexual males according to studies. Pedophiles are actually thought to have no sexual orientation. However heterosexual males who prefer sexual relations with females will sexually abuse a child if a female isn't available to them. Even right-wing women's groups agree that it is males who are our sexual abusers of children. If you want more info on this, let me know.
What can we do? ONLY non-violent activity can be considered.
There are many ways to act but the underlining motivation has to be to STOP cooperating with Elites and Capitalism. And there are many ways to do this.
Sumerians often seem like the longest historical clue to the past and the history of humanity,
but clearly it also seems to point to humans as hybrids.
But finally, the basic fear and paranoia of Elite Males means that their desired control over others will always extend to total enslavement of those they fear : Slavery and Mind Control which permits total enslavement of the mind and body.
Also --
There is no indication they objected when John Birch Society ran ads in Dallas in 1963 with President John F. Kennedy’s head depicted like two mug shot photos, with the word “Treason” below, shortly before the assassination of the President ... http://progressive.org/dispatches/like-dad-charles-koch-bircher-new-documents/
And --
But if you look at the posters at tea party rallies, and the birthers, and the right wing’s code words (urban, un-American, different, elitist) it all sounds a lot like what they did to Kennedy from 1962-1963. Jews, African Americans, Hispanics, women, the poor, the LGBT community, liberals, unions, socialists, communists, pacifists, Democrats. Looks fairly similar to the laundry list the Nazis had used to fill their camps, doesn’t it? It’s a disturbing legacy of hate, bigotry and incitement, and the Koch family uses their money to make sure they can continue in this legacy. Make no mistake, the Koch family has been doing this for three generations-they’re not going anywhere." http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/17630-the-koch-clan-and-the-john-birch-society/
Thanks for the detailed response. It will take me a while to read your links but it all adds to the knowledge base.
I agree with everything you say - the points you raise are all valid and I am not denying any of them.
The male dominion that we live in can be shown to have led to our current state where all things nefarious happen. However, recently I feel we are losing our way with the trans-gender agenda and the female aspect of society is being watered down. This cannot be blamed on the Koch brothers, and neither can they be blamed solely for the current political environment. That was all I was trying to infer.
Don't get me wrong though - I appreciate the conversation.
Thank you for the very honest response re transgenderism .....
But, aside from some religious beliefs I'm not familiar with, I don't see how this becomes a personal
concern for anyone except the family involved. Can you explain?
As for "the female aspect of society being watered down" .... I'm also not quite sure that I fully
understand that, either. Please fill me in.
Unfortunately, right wing beliefs do extend to what some right-wingers consider "moral" issues
which they would like to control. For example, when the Vatican seeks to control its members
and their "sexuality" they have often been in a position to impose those values not only on their
members, but on all of society.
One example of that was birth control which was denied to citizens of the US until the late 1960's.
Another issue would be female equality and the ERA which they campaigned against (secretly, I believe)
by funding the anti-ERA movement with tax-exempt dollars.
The Koch Bros. are part of the right wing and are certainly involved in seeking control
over all of society, including on issues which touch our personal lives.
And that includes female equality.
There is an organization I've been aware of for like 20 years which is the Business Round
Table and they generally like to keep their 200-300 members' list confidential, but I do recall
having the list and prominent on that list was AT&T and Hallmark Cards. Well, most of the
AT&T employees at that time were females and who buys most of the birthday and holiday
cards for the family but females? I doubt that even today most citizens know how many
corporations are working against their interests in fairly secret ways.
Hi Votescam - sorry for the delay in responding. Life and all that.
Anyway, taking your questions individually - transgenderism and the current socio-political need to legislate the idea into society is a slippery slope in my opinion. It strikes me that we have a portion of the younger generation who are playing imagination games and they are making everyone play their game. What used to occur with children between the ages of 4 - 10 (pre-pubescent) in imagination play was that they decided to be a doctor or cowboy or teacher or girl/boy. It's fantasy play and an essential part of forming ourselves into better humans as well as helping to define what we are. Now with the millenials having grown up with computer/console games prevalent during those formative years, there has been a delay in reaching that stage of imagination play. This is where we are now in regards to some young and vocal transgender people who are pushing for legal redress to hurt feelings - this I feel is unhealthy as there seems to be an inherent need to force the world to join in with their game. Instead of learning to deal with their hurt feelings the activist transgenders are forcing society at large to join their game due to politically correct shaming. Take the C16 amendment in Canada that legislates the misuse of pronouns when addressing a transgender person is to be seen as a hate crime with a maximum fine of C$250,000. This is pure fascism and goes against my idea of freedom of speech.
The female aspect of society has been watered down since ancient times, but more so in modern history. There has been a time where the feminine aspects of our personalities were made to seem negative - emotional empathy, intuition, the mothering aspect of caring for others, etc. In historical studies most of the sources used to teach are drawn from male commentators and philosophical writers.
Feminism in its current form does nothing but create more inequality and pushes unjustifiable claims such as Fathers Day being a patriarchal holiday that should be renamed Special Person day due to the emotional impact on children who don't have a father in their lives. This is nonsense and moves further away from the original ideology of fighting for equality. Now don't get me wrong, I don't believe in any kind of equality being attainable (we are all different) - however, I do believe in equal opportunities, and I will fight for them as much as anyone. For me with all the group identity politics around at the moment we are losing sight of the prize more and more.
I think the Koch Bros. are culpable for many of the things you have mentioned and I'm sure they will be influencing what they can as much as they can. And yet I cannot ignore the fact that there are plenty more nefarious actors in the world who are part and parcel of maintaining and furthering their control over society. In fact looking at corporate capitalism and those who are most successful within this ideological system one can argue that they should actually be diagnosed as psychopaths. Capitalism is the physical manifestation of the psychopathic need to dominate and destroy competition for a selfish goal. Apparently there is one psychopath in every hundred and so though the Koch Bros. might be influencing things more than others (as you see it) there will be plenty more who are doing the same and even more.
Citizens need to wake up to this fact first. Then maybe we can start changing the system so that people like the Kochs and businesses like Bayer, Monsanto, BAE, Facebook, Google or whoever cannot influence things as much as they do.
Apologies as I think somehow I missed noticing your reply ...
I don't know the numbers on transgenderism ... but I would imagine they are very small.
Re this --
It strikes me that we have a portion of the younger generation who are playing imagination games and they are making everyone play their game.>
In order to deal with the issue of sexual abuse of children, there has to be trust in believing what the children are telling us. Too often that's been a problem -- in a male-dominated society it was very easy for males to suggest that it was the child who was lying about sexual abuse by a father ... which is the most common situation.
If you don't trust what children say, how can you support the reality of their sexual abuse?
It's also confusing that you would think that transgenderism is about some kind of "game playing" ...
Do you really think this is fun for the child or the parents, the family?
And aren't the things you're saying about transgenderism the same things that were said about homosexuals?
I'm very glad to see that you support "equal opportunities" .... but, you know, I'm totally unaware of the Canadian law or the issue of "Father's Day" -- so I don't really see them as real feminist issues but rather something that the right wing pulls up to distract the public.
Re Koch Bros. -- they are corporate capitalism -- and their family are founding members of the John Birch Society.
The family has been involved in trying to overturn democracy for more than 100 years. Their business is also fossil fuels which have created Global Warming. Given the disasters we are seeing right now with storms in Texas and now headed toward Florida, with earthquake in Mexico, there is a push for legislation to get "off of fossil fuels" ...
and also to make the oil industry pay for the damages we are seeing right now.
The Oil industry -- chiefly ExxonMobil allied with other oil companies -- ran Global Warming denials for more than 50 years at a cost of $50 billion. Our scientists have known about GW since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution ...
and the model was shown to the public back in the late 1950's. All of this could have been prevented.
I'd say Monsanto -- "War by Monsanto ... food by Monsanto" is certainly psychopathic and soulless.
And you've named most of the monster corporations. :(
You are misunderstanding me. Apologies if I have not been clear enough.
I do trust children when it comes to child abuse. As long as there are no leading questions then we can normally assume that the child is telling the truth. I do not class the sexual or physical abuse claims of children as 'game playing'. I was actually talking about the teens and pre-adults that we see in the trans-activist videos prevalent on Youtube when I stated the 'game-playing' analysis.
It is funny you mention homosexuals because it has been proven statistically that around 80% of those 'trans-genders' who do not have hormone therapy or any surgery actually establish that they are simply homosexual when they reach young adulthood. The confusion of these peoples' early years can be made more confusing with all these new gender categories that were created by Tumblr users and are now being championed by numerous 'liberal' governments of PC dominated societies (such as the UK, Canada and Australia).
I am neither right-wing nor left so I don't believe I am coming at this from any ideological standpoint - it is simply my opinion and belief based upon what I have seen in recent times. Maybe I am wrong and most of what I have talked about is just minor distractions. However, when an organisation like the Tavistock Institute (now called The Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust) is prescribing hormone treatments to children as young as 12 and guidance for transitioning to children as young as 4 then I seriously question the motives behind this new movement.
Since I'm not aware of the specific "trans-activist" videos you're watching on YouTube, there is
no way to estimate the source of your opinion that it is "game playing."
A human being whose brain tells them that they are female while their genitalia is male will
NOT eventually or simply reach the conclusion that they are homosexual.
What you're reading is confusing you ... especially if you think that "new gender categories
that were created by Tumblr users" ... whatever that is.
You may think you're not right wing but this kind of stuff gives you away --
championed by numerous 'liberal' governments of PC dominated societies (such as the UK, Canada and Australia)>
And I would suggest that unless they are doing these things to their own children in secret --
that no one would allow this ...
However, when an organisation like the Tavistock Institute (now called The Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust) is prescribing hormone treatments to children as young as 12 and guidance for transitioning to children as young as 4 then I seriously question the motives behind this new movement.
Meanwhile, I leave you to your fantasies and delusions ....
I've stayed too long at the fair taking a good look and I really must go.
My dear Votescam - it seems that your balanced approach to expressing your viewpoints has wavered as you resort to unfounded claims of my views being deluded and fantastical.
Here are some videos of the 'pronoun' furore in Canada;
So now, if you would deign to spare whatever little time you have to challenge your own preconceptions by watching and reading a few of the sources I have used to formulate my opinions, I would appreciate to hear your thoughts. Y'know, whether I am totally lost in my fantasies and delusions. Or is there some hope for this obviously Right-Wing wannabe demagogue?
I did take the time to watch both of the videos -- and I found both very interesting
as to what is happening in Canada . . .
The Professor -- Jordan Peterson/Clinical Psychologist at University of Toronto -- is showing his personal disrespect for the students by refusing to acknowledge the transgender status of the students he is teaching at the University by not using the "pronoun" they prefer showing disrespect for the student.
Peterson has also received at least two warnings from the University Administration that he is to follow University policy on this issue which he has not been doing.
Peterson is claiming a "violation of his free speech rights" -- however, as a teacher at the University who should be offering good example to all of the students in human respect, he is doing just the opposite . . .
That is ... also notice that he uses the "perjorative" . . . "Social Justice Warrior"
Social justice warrior" (commonly abbreviated SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual promoting socially progressive views,[1] including feminism,[1][2] civil right . . . "<
Though, why anyone would be against anyone fighting for social justice is a mystery to me.
The bottom line is respect for the individual student at the University in showing them the courtesy of using the "pronoun" they prefer as trans.
Language effects thinking and eventually the treatment accorded to other citizens --
as we've seen from the use of language like "niggers" and "queers" and "feminazis"
in the past.
why anyone would be against anyone fighting for social justice is a mystery to me
What's wrong with simple 'justice'? Like normal, straightforward justice. No adjective needed surely...it's like 'Political Justice', 'Criminal Justice', 'Court Justice', 'Police Justice', 'Gang Justice', or 'Ideological Justice', etc. (<---Add your own favourite noun or adjective to play the 'My Justice' game)
The problem with modifiers and 'Justice' is that it normally means one group then has to make the rules for that particular type of justice. How can that ever be truly balanced or just?
So what is social justice? Is it the ability to vote? To work? To own a house? To be able to drink clean water? To be free? Is it Communism? Socialism? Liberalism? Cultural Marxism? Libertarianism? Anarchism? Feminism? Transgenderism Pronoun Recognition? - or what, and who is it that really decides?
I agree that certain words are hateful and normally contain a history of intolerance and subjugation, they can hurt feelings and sometimes deeply, but they are only words.
I wonder what happened to the idea behind the rhyme that "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me"?
And then to the point in question in your comment - why should anyone be allowed to force anyone else to say anything? That sounds like what old terrorist kidnap victims were forced to do on television when telling us their terrorists' demands.
Whatever, I don't mind what any adult does with their life as long as it doesn't hurt them, or is with consenting adults, and I believe that means I'm allowed to expect the same back. I think demanding other people do as you say for whatever reason (including social respect) is the kind of thing that leads to a dangerous slippery slope. I have gay and lesbian and bisexual friends and they don't give a shit about pronouns - we use each others names, and what is more important to us is what's inside each of us and how we are with one another - and that has never included any bullshit pronoun crap.
After all, aren't we fighting for "Political, Criminal, Court, Police justice?
How can those kinds of injustices be understood and discussed unless we make clear what we are talking about -- i.e., "Police brutality," for instance?
Or nine Justices on the "Supreme Court" more beholden to corporations than to the public?
Or Citizens United which morphed wealth into free speech?
Or a pervert like Clarence Thomas on our Supreme Court?
These modifiers clarify the particular kinds of justice that we are lacking -- female equality, for one.
All human rights are social justice.
Otherwise, you are denying that AA's have been denied voting rights.
That we are all denied fair elections because of the corruption of our Electoral System.
That we have more AA's and people of color locked up in our shiny new privatized prison system than any other nation. and that there is a continuing denial of work to AA's, and decent standards of education where we see a return to segregated schools and the underfunding of AA's schools.
And what about owning a home ... how many reports have we seen over decades which show that banks do not lend in the same way to AA's and people of color.
And how about clean water .... It's not just about Flint if you understand what Erin Brockovich is reporting about our water ... or what this report tells us about "plastic fibers" in all of our water.
Study: 83% of Tap Water Around the Globe Tested Positive for Tiny Plastic Fibers
When you suggest something like this ....
I agree that certain words are hateful and normally contain a history of intolerance and subjugation, they can hurt feelings and sometimes deeply, but they are only words.<
You are making clear that you have given little thought to language ... for instance, have you ever heard of the term "illegitimate" which used to be displayed on birth certificates?
Or the power of hate-filled propaganda like "whites only" drinking fountains, or the vile slander of Jews by the RCC for more than a thousand years and later by the Nazis. Or being taunted in your school by someone calling you a "faggot."
Maybe it's time now to give some thought to propaganda and the use of language to demean and debase others.
And ....
I wonder what happened to the idea behind the rhyme that "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me"?>
That's an old schoolyard saying which is in denial of world wide systems of injustice against homosexuals, for instance, which existed and still exist across the globe. SYSTEMS of injustice - like prison systems, and voting systems, and banking systems ... and religious propaganda ... THEY are all things to be explored and thought about.
No one is forcing Peterson to do anything but to show courtesy to his trans students as requested by the University of Toronto administration.
And it's really the same kind of thing we saw with the lady who didn't want to issue marriage licenses to homosexual couples and for quite some time delayed their marriages.
Or the guy who didn't want to bake wedding cakes for homosexuals.
And what's the usual "reasoning" behind these things except for the teachings of male-supremacist religions?
Actually, I think when compared with the system of Slavery on this land, with the Genocide, with a few hundred years of Segregation ... with Segregated schools, our Prison system, with AA's being brutalized and shot on their own streets pretty much every week, I think you are ignoring a great deal of reality and involved in a bit of "game-playing" yourself in this statement ...
Whatever, I don't mind what any adult does with their life as long as it doesn't hurt them, or is with consenting adults, and I believe that means I'm allowed to expect the same back. I think demanding other people do as you say for whatever reason (including social respect) is the kind of thing that leads to a dangerous slippery slope. I have gay and lesbian and bisexual friends and they don't give a shit about pronouns - we use each others names, and what is more important to us is what's inside each of us and how we are with one another - and that has never included any bullshit pronoun crap.>
And what was the lady at the marriage license bureau doing except "demanding that other people do as she said" ... because her "god" demanded it. When might you expect to be effected by something like that? Probably never.
And nice that you have gay and lesbian and bisexual friends ... but hard to believe that NONE of them have ever been bothered in any way by the social mores that have long existed against them.
The Professor has a choice to make ... just as the lady at the marriage license bureau had a choice to make.
The public has spoken on human rights for homosexuals a long time before the Supreme Court did ... that's why they finally moved to pass same-sex marriage.
Agree that what is important is what is inside each of us and "how we are with one another."
And I presume by that you mean HOW we treat one another.
Isn't that the truest test of who a person is?
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Blacksmith21 ago
Nice walk down memory lane. Let's see if this makes some noise again.
IpsoFacto ago
Trump is correct that directed energy weapons were used on 9/11 and this is the Free Energy technology Podesta is pretending has been sent by aliens. Alright? Sitting comfortably? Good.
George Soros runs Tavistock
Tavistock developed the CIA
The CIA engineered the 1960s via drugs. Tavistock engineered The Beatles. The Beatles promoted Crowley The Movement promoted promiscuity, liberalism and ended in the darkness of The Manson Murders.
Timothy Leary wrote "How to wash brains" with Robert Anton Wilson. Timothy Leary is suspected to be CIA and spent time in the same prison as Manson prior to any of the alleged murders.
The Beatles went to India with Mia Farrow (B- blood), who played the role of Rosemary, in Rosemary's Baby about the birth of the antichrist.
The film was directed to Roman Polanski, his wife is Sharon Tate, who was murdered by the Manson family.
Rosemary's Baby was filmed in The Dakota Building, where John Lennon was shot.
Henry Kissinger's favourite film is "Chinatown", directed by Roman Polanski. It features someone wit the same Mark Of Cain that Madeleine McCann displayed in her photos.
The Oscar's this year, saw the star of Chinatown being humiliated and instead, a cast member of another film, who has a significant Mongolion Spot (blue birth-mark) was awarded.
Are we in the midst of the apocalypse? LINKS BETWEEN SOROS, CF, AND TAVISTOCK https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1433300
http://imgur.com/a/giKjG
Votescam ago
Would just comment that it's much more likely that Sharon Tate murders were a false flag operation carried out by military. Charles Manson was also a very unlikely hippie at age 35 and spent most of his life in prison. Much more likely is the possibility that he was used.
Sharon Tate's father was CIA, evidently at a fairly high level.
Will try to find a link -- Mae Brussel wrote a fantastic and very complete article on this "event" but I'm still unable to locate again, but I do have a link to a less complete explanation of it which I will post. Others, as well, have written on the likelihood of the Tate murders being a "false flag" operation.
At the time there was a growing youth movement which was anti-war and anti-MIC . . .
And ...
IpsoFacto ago
This? https://vid.me/HlVQF
Konran ago
You should read Dave McGowan if you haven't already; 'Programmed to Kill' is a pretty solid book that corroborates what you say but also provides more detailed connections.
Here is a radio interview talking about the book on Vimeo. A little over an hour long but worth the time.
McGowan also wrote another book about what we are looking at here in Pizzagate/Pedogate. He called this 'The Pedophocracy' and it's extremely informative.
Votescam ago
McGowan name sounds vaguely familiar and will check your links -
Thank you! :)
What I would add to my post above would be the oft quoted comments by Dick Cheney and Karl Rove about the right wing controlling the past and therefore our reality -- and that while we're trying to figure out what was really going on, they were working on changing our reality again.
Konran ago
I had not heard those comments from Cheney and Rove before.
I can see obfuscation in the claim that it is the right-wing controlling history and reality, because I believe it is just one side of the same thing. Right hand, left hand - both parts of the same body with one mind controlling them. Of course a mind can be schizoid so it can seem like there are two personalities with their own characteristics but in essence it is one and the same.
Got to say that if our democratic political systems were people then they would have probably been committed in mental institutions a long time ago.
Votescam ago
I don't think you're trying to deny that Dick Cheney or Karl Rove are right wing --
However, BOTH parties have been owned and controlled by the right wing for decades now. Koch Bros. and other large corporations own the Democratic Party as well and that has been true since the days of the DLC (Democratic Leadership Council) and they were represented on the DLC's Executive Board. Bill Clinton was specifically recruited by the Koch Bros.
Koch Bros. Family is the John Birch Society and have worked for more than 100 years to try to overturn democracy in the US.
The McCarthy Era was about removing liberals from office and we haven't had a liberal in the White House since JFK.
A small group of wealthy people have been running our country since the earliest days -- Re-read the Constitution and you will see that the document you were taught to honor and esteem was one where the Founders actually created an Elite Patriarchy, endowed them with land grants and gave the immense influence and control over the "people's" government, the nation's wealth and natural resources.
The Founders also saved and protected the system of Slavery for Elites/wealthy even down to the "Runaway Slave Act" which guaranteed the Civil War which further profited the wealthy by dividing the population of the nation into two camps of hatred which still echo today.
Certainly agree with you that the people controlling our government, MIC, NSA and other government agencies are insane -- and we should point that out more frequently -- !!
NOTE: The Rightwing Koch Brothers Fund the DLC | Democrats.com
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Konran ago
No. Not at all.
Interesting take you have on it. I agree that the Koch Bros have financed both sides of the political dichotomy in recent times.
However, a little like geological time, ideological time exists similarly for these satanistic globalist child-murdering fuckers and their plan is played out over centuries.
Do these things date back to Sumerian times? Possibly, maybe earlier.
Who has controlled the global banking system in modern times? The London Corporation, the Rothschilds and the BIS in Switzerland.
Who controlled world religion and still aims to? The Vatican City.
Who controls the globe with their military? The Corporation of Washington DC.
Are these entities tied together historically? Probably.
Are The Committee of 300, The Tavistock Institue, the Frankfurt School, the Club of Rome, the CFR, Skull and Bones, the Bullingdon Club, the Bilderberg Group, The Knights of Malta, etc, etc. also involucrated in how the world exists in its current state? Definitely.
What can we do to change the system? Short of finding enough evidence to initiate a global French Revolution style culling, I'm not sure.
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Votescam ago
Hi Konran --
The Koch Bros. are much more dangerous than your "recent times" accounts for. They were at least indirectly involved in the JFK assassination* -- and which not only took our president but our "people's" government. From that time, our government has been in the hands of murderers and essentially insane or "soulless" people. LBJ exemplifies those involved at highest levels but he had long been involved with those like himself -- criminal, murderous and insane. The latter by his own definition. See: LBJ: Mastermind of the JFK Assassination by Phillip Nelson See: Blood, Money, Power by Barr McClellan See: The Men Who Killed Kennedy/The Guilty Men on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F-LY1HblmE
But the Koch Bros. have always been involved with control of the nation's natural resources. The Oil Industry (Clint Murchinson, prominently) had high motivation for the JFK assassination. JFK was concerned for the environment and was going to overturn the Oil Depletion Allowance. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/inside-the-koch-brothers-toxic-empire-20140924
You are comparing this with the "Satanic globalist child-murdering f's and their plan over centurie." . . .
Certainly, I don't think anyone has suggested that the Koch Bros. are involved in human trafficking, but they are supporting both parties and their candidates and thus are at the least INDIRECTLY involved because of who they support.
(And, I would interject here again that there is no "Satan" and no "Devil" and no "Hell" which are simply the creations of organized patriarchal religions of the one-all male god. That does NOT mean that these boogey-men haven't been used to frighten the public into obedience and as a means of Mind Control Of course they have. Nor does it mean that there isn't real violence used in the rituals to frighten their victims. The Old World Religions which existed thousands and thousands of years before had NO Satan, No Devil, No Hell and were based in Nature. The demons created by male-supremacist religions come from the minds and paranoia of males and are strictly their inventions -- fear used for the purpose of Mind Control.)
Nothing could be clearer than that our economies are created by citizens, but that they are manipulated and controlled by our Banks, Financial Institutions (and by our corrupt government and government officials) to benefit the wealthy.
As for religion, you can't ignore the Old Testament/Hebrew which was written to cement patriarchy. You also have to consider that both the Old Testament and the New Testament are the underpinning for Elite Patriarchy and male-supremacy. The New Testament actually at times shows a Jesus in conflict with these changes where the history up to that time had followed matriarchal lines -- i.e., Joseph's family history was actually Mary's. And, most of these religions are manipulated regularly, as needed, for the benefit of Elites. "Manifest Destiny" and "Man's Dominion Over Nature" having given license for exploitation of Nature by Elites. Not only Nature and all animal-life, but even discrimination and murder based in myths of "inferiority" of women, native Americans, Jews, Homosexuals, Africans/People of Color. See: Papal Edicts Calling for the "enslavement or murder" of Native Americans here and Africans enslaved here. The Bull Inter Caetera http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/indig-inter-caetera.html
And your paragraph before last repeats what I am saying to you ... Elite Patriarchy invented organized patriarchal religion and it is Elite Patriarchy which gives us these Elite male organizations where MALE heads of religions are involved (Knights of Malta) and where Elites males are involved with CFR, Skull and Bones, and Bilderberg, and among Elite MALES heading up our military ... where if you're familiar with Kay Griggs you also know that sexual abuse/violence is used at top levels, even NATO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQNitCNycKQ
World violence begins with male violence against women - basically thought to have begun with a famine in an area behind Turkey. But we are the ONLY species on the planet where the male population is involved in DEADLY violence and oppression of females. You will note that for the most part, even combat between males among other species is never to the death. It is believed that this oppression began about 50,000 years ago and turned the world upside down.
Further, since you are on this site, you also have to understand that MALES are our sexual abusers of children and that they are heterosexual males according to studies. Pedophiles are actually thought to have no sexual orientation. However heterosexual males who prefer sexual relations with females will sexually abuse a child if a female isn't available to them. Even right-wing women's groups agree that it is males who are our sexual abusers of children. If you want more info on this, let me know.
What can we do? ONLY non-violent activity can be considered. There are many ways to act but the underlining motivation has to be to STOP cooperating with Elites and Capitalism. And there are many ways to do this.
Sumerians often seem like the longest historical clue to the past and the history of humanity, but clearly it also seems to point to humans as hybrids.
But finally, the basic fear and paranoia of Elite Males means that their desired control over others will always extend to total enslavement of those they fear : Slavery and Mind Control which permits total enslavement of the mind and body.
ADDED INFO --
Also -- There is no indication they objected when John Birch Society ran ads in Dallas in 1963 with President John F. Kennedy’s head depicted like two mug shot photos, with the word “Treason” below, shortly before the assassination of the President ... http://progressive.org/dispatches/like-dad-charles-koch-bircher-new-documents/
And --
Konran ago
Thanks for the detailed response. It will take me a while to read your links but it all adds to the knowledge base.
I agree with everything you say - the points you raise are all valid and I am not denying any of them.
The male dominion that we live in can be shown to have led to our current state where all things nefarious happen. However, recently I feel we are losing our way with the trans-gender agenda and the female aspect of society is being watered down. This cannot be blamed on the Koch brothers, and neither can they be blamed solely for the current political environment. That was all I was trying to infer.
Don't get me wrong though - I appreciate the conversation.
Votescam ago
Konran --
Thank you for the very honest response re transgenderism .....
But, aside from some religious beliefs I'm not familiar with, I don't see how this becomes a personal concern for anyone except the family involved. Can you explain?
As for "the female aspect of society being watered down" .... I'm also not quite sure that I fully understand that, either. Please fill me in.
Unfortunately, right wing beliefs do extend to what some right-wingers consider "moral" issues which they would like to control. For example, when the Vatican seeks to control its members and their "sexuality" they have often been in a position to impose those values not only on their members, but on all of society. One example of that was birth control which was denied to citizens of the US until the late 1960's. Another issue would be female equality and the ERA which they campaigned against (secretly, I believe) by funding the anti-ERA movement with tax-exempt dollars.
The Koch Bros. are part of the right wing and are certainly involved in seeking control over all of society, including on issues which touch our personal lives. And that includes female equality.
There is an organization I've been aware of for like 20 years which is the Business Round Table and they generally like to keep their 200-300 members' list confidential, but I do recall having the list and prominent on that list was AT&T and Hallmark Cards. Well, most of the AT&T employees at that time were females and who buys most of the birthday and holiday cards for the family but females? I doubt that even today most citizens know how many corporations are working against their interests in fairly secret ways.
Konran ago
Hi Votescam - sorry for the delay in responding. Life and all that.
Anyway, taking your questions individually - transgenderism and the current socio-political need to legislate the idea into society is a slippery slope in my opinion. It strikes me that we have a portion of the younger generation who are playing imagination games and they are making everyone play their game. What used to occur with children between the ages of 4 - 10 (pre-pubescent) in imagination play was that they decided to be a doctor or cowboy or teacher or girl/boy. It's fantasy play and an essential part of forming ourselves into better humans as well as helping to define what we are. Now with the millenials having grown up with computer/console games prevalent during those formative years, there has been a delay in reaching that stage of imagination play. This is where we are now in regards to some young and vocal transgender people who are pushing for legal redress to hurt feelings - this I feel is unhealthy as there seems to be an inherent need to force the world to join in with their game. Instead of learning to deal with their hurt feelings the activist transgenders are forcing society at large to join their game due to politically correct shaming. Take the C16 amendment in Canada that legislates the misuse of pronouns when addressing a transgender person is to be seen as a hate crime with a maximum fine of C$250,000. This is pure fascism and goes against my idea of freedom of speech.
The female aspect of society has been watered down since ancient times, but more so in modern history. There has been a time where the feminine aspects of our personalities were made to seem negative - emotional empathy, intuition, the mothering aspect of caring for others, etc. In historical studies most of the sources used to teach are drawn from male commentators and philosophical writers.
Feminism in its current form does nothing but create more inequality and pushes unjustifiable claims such as Fathers Day being a patriarchal holiday that should be renamed Special Person day due to the emotional impact on children who don't have a father in their lives. This is nonsense and moves further away from the original ideology of fighting for equality. Now don't get me wrong, I don't believe in any kind of equality being attainable (we are all different) - however, I do believe in equal opportunities, and I will fight for them as much as anyone. For me with all the group identity politics around at the moment we are losing sight of the prize more and more.
I think the Koch Bros. are culpable for many of the things you have mentioned and I'm sure they will be influencing what they can as much as they can. And yet I cannot ignore the fact that there are plenty more nefarious actors in the world who are part and parcel of maintaining and furthering their control over society. In fact looking at corporate capitalism and those who are most successful within this ideological system one can argue that they should actually be diagnosed as psychopaths. Capitalism is the physical manifestation of the psychopathic need to dominate and destroy competition for a selfish goal. Apparently there is one psychopath in every hundred and so though the Koch Bros. might be influencing things more than others (as you see it) there will be plenty more who are doing the same and even more.
Citizens need to wake up to this fact first. Then maybe we can start changing the system so that people like the Kochs and businesses like Bayer, Monsanto, BAE, Facebook, Google or whoever cannot influence things as much as they do.
Votescam ago
Konran --
Apologies as I think somehow I missed noticing your reply ...
I don't know the numbers on transgenderism ... but I would imagine they are very small.
Re this --
In order to deal with the issue of sexual abuse of children, there has to be trust in believing what the children are telling us. Too often that's been a problem -- in a male-dominated society it was very easy for males to suggest that it was the child who was lying about sexual abuse by a father ... which is the most common situation.
If you don't trust what children say, how can you support the reality of their sexual abuse?
It's also confusing that you would think that transgenderism is about some kind of "game playing" ... Do you really think this is fun for the child or the parents, the family?
And aren't the things you're saying about transgenderism the same things that were said about homosexuals?
I'm very glad to see that you support "equal opportunities" .... but, you know, I'm totally unaware of the Canadian law or the issue of "Father's Day" -- so I don't really see them as real feminist issues but rather something that the right wing pulls up to distract the public.
Re Koch Bros. -- they are corporate capitalism -- and their family are founding members of the John Birch Society. The family has been involved in trying to overturn democracy for more than 100 years. Their business is also fossil fuels which have created Global Warming. Given the disasters we are seeing right now with storms in Texas and now headed toward Florida, with earthquake in Mexico, there is a push for legislation to get "off of fossil fuels" ... and also to make the oil industry pay for the damages we are seeing right now.
The Oil industry -- chiefly ExxonMobil allied with other oil companies -- ran Global Warming denials for more than 50 years at a cost of $50 billion. Our scientists have known about GW since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution ... and the model was shown to the public back in the late 1950's. All of this could have been prevented.
I'd say Monsanto -- "War by Monsanto ... food by Monsanto" is certainly psychopathic and soulless.
And you've named most of the monster corporations. :(
Konran ago
You are misunderstanding me. Apologies if I have not been clear enough.
I do trust children when it comes to child abuse. As long as there are no leading questions then we can normally assume that the child is telling the truth. I do not class the sexual or physical abuse claims of children as 'game playing'. I was actually talking about the teens and pre-adults that we see in the trans-activist videos prevalent on Youtube when I stated the 'game-playing' analysis.
It is funny you mention homosexuals because it has been proven statistically that around 80% of those 'trans-genders' who do not have hormone therapy or any surgery actually establish that they are simply homosexual when they reach young adulthood. The confusion of these peoples' early years can be made more confusing with all these new gender categories that were created by Tumblr users and are now being championed by numerous 'liberal' governments of PC dominated societies (such as the UK, Canada and Australia).
I am neither right-wing nor left so I don't believe I am coming at this from any ideological standpoint - it is simply my opinion and belief based upon what I have seen in recent times. Maybe I am wrong and most of what I have talked about is just minor distractions. However, when an organisation like the Tavistock Institute (now called The Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust) is prescribing hormone treatments to children as young as 12 and guidance for transitioning to children as young as 4 then I seriously question the motives behind this new movement.
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Votescam ago
Kon --
Since I'm not aware of the specific "trans-activist" videos you're watching on YouTube, there is no way to estimate the source of your opinion that it is "game playing."
A human being whose brain tells them that they are female while their genitalia is male will NOT eventually or simply reach the conclusion that they are homosexual.
What you're reading is confusing you ... especially if you think that "new gender categories that were created by Tumblr users" ... whatever that is.
You may think you're not right wing but this kind of stuff gives you away --
And I would suggest that unless they are doing these things to their own children in secret -- that no one would allow this ...
Meanwhile, I leave you to your fantasies and delusions .... I've stayed too long at the fair taking a good look and I really must go.
Konran ago
My dear Votescam - it seems that your balanced approach to expressing your viewpoints has wavered as you resort to unfounded claims of my views being deluded and fantastical.
Here are some videos of the 'pronoun' furore in Canada;
Here is a video about changing Father's Day to Special Person's Day
Here is a story from the UK about a 12 year old being given hormone treatment for his gender dysphoria
Here is a story from the UK about how the Tavistock is helping children as young as 3 with their transgender issues
So now, if you would deign to spare whatever little time you have to challenge your own preconceptions by watching and reading a few of the sources I have used to formulate my opinions, I would appreciate to hear your thoughts. Y'know, whether I am totally lost in my fantasies and delusions. Or is there some hope for this obviously Right-Wing wannabe demagogue?
Votescam ago
Kon -
I did take the time to watch both of the videos -- and I found both very interesting as to what is happening in Canada . . .
The Professor -- Jordan Peterson/Clinical Psychologist at University of Toronto -- is showing his personal disrespect for the students by refusing to acknowledge the transgender status of the students he is teaching at the University by not using the "pronoun" they prefer showing disrespect for the student.
Peterson has also received at least two warnings from the University Administration that he is to follow University policy on this issue which he has not been doing.
Peterson is claiming a "violation of his free speech rights" -- however, as a teacher at the University who should be offering good example to all of the students in human respect, he is doing just the opposite . . .
That is ... also notice that he uses the "perjorative" . . . "Social Justice Warrior"
Though, why anyone would be against anyone fighting for social justice is a mystery to me.
The bottom line is respect for the individual student at the University in showing them the courtesy of using the "pronoun" they prefer as trans.
Language effects thinking and eventually the treatment accorded to other citizens -- as we've seen from the use of language like "niggers" and "queers" and "feminazis" in the past.
Konran ago
Hi Votescam
A couple of things;
What's wrong with simple 'justice'? Like normal, straightforward justice. No adjective needed surely...it's like 'Political Justice', 'Criminal Justice', 'Court Justice', 'Police Justice', 'Gang Justice', or 'Ideological Justice', etc. (<---Add your own favourite noun or adjective to play the 'My Justice' game)
The problem with modifiers and 'Justice' is that it normally means one group then has to make the rules for that particular type of justice. How can that ever be truly balanced or just?
So what is social justice? Is it the ability to vote? To work? To own a house? To be able to drink clean water? To be free? Is it Communism? Socialism? Liberalism? Cultural Marxism? Libertarianism? Anarchism? Feminism? Transgenderism Pronoun Recognition? - or what, and who is it that really decides?
I agree that certain words are hateful and normally contain a history of intolerance and subjugation, they can hurt feelings and sometimes deeply, but they are only words.
I wonder what happened to the idea behind the rhyme that "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me"?
And then to the point in question in your comment - why should anyone be allowed to force anyone else to say anything? That sounds like what old terrorist kidnap victims were forced to do on television when telling us their terrorists' demands.
Whatever, I don't mind what any adult does with their life as long as it doesn't hurt them, or is with consenting adults, and I believe that means I'm allowed to expect the same back. I think demanding other people do as you say for whatever reason (including social respect) is the kind of thing that leads to a dangerous slippery slope. I have gay and lesbian and bisexual friends and they don't give a shit about pronouns - we use each others names, and what is more important to us is what's inside each of us and how we are with one another - and that has never included any bullshit pronoun crap.
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Votescam ago
Why the objection to "social" ...?
After all, aren't we fighting for "Political, Criminal, Court, Police justice?
How can those kinds of injustices be understood and discussed unless we make clear what we are talking about -- i.e., "Police brutality," for instance?
Or nine Justices on the "Supreme Court" more beholden to corporations than to the public? Or Citizens United which morphed wealth into free speech? Or a pervert like Clarence Thomas on our Supreme Court?
These modifiers clarify the particular kinds of justice that we are lacking -- female equality, for one.
All human rights are social justice.
Otherwise, you are denying that AA's have been denied voting rights. That we are all denied fair elections because of the corruption of our Electoral System. That we have more AA's and people of color locked up in our shiny new privatized prison system than any other nation. and that there is a continuing denial of work to AA's, and decent standards of education where we see a return to segregated schools and the underfunding of AA's schools. And what about owning a home ... how many reports have we seen over decades which show that banks do not lend in the same way to AA's and people of color.
And how about clean water .... It's not just about Flint if you understand what Erin Brockovich is reporting about our water ... or what this report tells us about "plastic fibers" in all of our water.
Study: 83% of Tap Water Around the Globe Tested Positive for Tiny Plastic Fibers
You are making clear that you have given little thought to language ... for instance, have you ever heard of the term "illegitimate" which used to be displayed on birth certificates?
Or the power of hate-filled propaganda like "whites only" drinking fountains, or the vile slander of Jews by the RCC for more than a thousand years and later by the Nazis. Or being taunted in your school by someone calling you a "faggot."
Maybe it's time now to give some thought to propaganda and the use of language to demean and debase others.
And ....
That's an old schoolyard saying which is in denial of world wide systems of injustice against homosexuals, for instance, which existed and still exist across the globe. SYSTEMS of injustice - like prison systems, and voting systems, and banking systems ... and religious propaganda ... THEY are all things to be explored and thought about.
No one is forcing Peterson to do anything but to show courtesy to his trans students as requested by the University of Toronto administration.
And it's really the same kind of thing we saw with the lady who didn't want to issue marriage licenses to homosexual couples and for quite some time delayed their marriages.
Or the guy who didn't want to bake wedding cakes for homosexuals.
And what's the usual "reasoning" behind these things except for the teachings of male-supremacist religions?
Actually, I think when compared with the system of Slavery on this land, with the Genocide, with a few hundred years of Segregation ... with Segregated schools, our Prison system, with AA's being brutalized and shot on their own streets pretty much every week, I think you are ignoring a great deal of reality and involved in a bit of "game-playing" yourself in this statement ...
And what was the lady at the marriage license bureau doing except "demanding that other people do as she said" ... because her "god" demanded it. When might you expect to be effected by something like that? Probably never.
And nice that you have gay and lesbian and bisexual friends ... but hard to believe that NONE of them have ever been bothered in any way by the social mores that have long existed against them.
The Professor has a choice to make ... just as the lady at the marriage license bureau had a choice to make.
The public has spoken on human rights for homosexuals a long time before the Supreme Court did ... that's why they finally moved to pass same-sex marriage.
Agree that what is important is what is inside each of us and "how we are with one another."
And I presume by that you mean HOW we treat one another. Isn't that the truest test of who a person is?
UnicornAndSparkles ago
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1986320/9781676
Hall_of_Cost ago
What's the B- blood scoop? First I've heard of it being taboo.
IpsoFacto ago
My Blood. Rothschild. Ramesses.
Mooka_Molaka ago
Is it because it's specifically B- blood type or the Rh factor negative that matters?
A- here
Thanks in advance •◡•
IpsoFacto ago
https://vid.me/HlVQF
You're welcome!
Hall_of_Cost ago
It's my blood type, too, that's why I'm curious.
IpsoFacto ago
You can shapeshift then.
remedy4reality ago
everything after 'direct energy weapons' is solid...
drop that shit, it's a diversion from the role of Mossad and Dov Zakheim
bopper ago
Where has Trump said this?