Hi -- Do you mean you can keep the virus program beyond 30 days, even if you don't buy it? (Kaspersky, that is)

Since I ran Malwarebytes it seems the "Security/Certificate" messages haven't ceased, but now I'm also getting many more of the "Do you want us to show full content?" messages. Also, Internet Explorer keeps shutting down. Mainly happens when I'm on Yahoo which is making me wonder if my Yahoo account was compromised? But the "Security warning" doesn't say what website it is accusing of not having a valid certificate. Plus you can't close down the warnings (though it would probably be a bad idea anyway) ... Was thinking this was due to hot weather here which we're in about third week of now, but honestly we've had really hot weather many times and haven't had these problems before so I'm getting worried.

Malwarebytes is a 13 day trial -- guess they let loose what's in quarantine if you don't buy the program?

But nothing has improved since I added Malwarebytes ... oddly enough!

:)

It doesn't have the same feel that it used to have -- don't have confidence in it and will be trying shortly to go back to AVAST or something like that. At the moment, I've put Malewarebytes on to check and they reported 100 "potential" threats that they've quarantined. Don't know what to think about that but something hasn't felt right for a few weeks. Meanwhile, IE continues to fade more and more and only possibility can be HEAT here or virus. Ugh!

What have they done to anyone using the service?

I've used it for like 20 years, I think .... but I have to say not as confident in it as I used to be and that lack of confidence began about three years ago. I used to use AVG with Zone Alarm and all seemed well. Now that I'm using both ZA anti-virus and their Fire Wall I'm not as happy. Somewhere along the way they went private -- I think it used to all be free???

You don't understand ... asking me to deal with plug in's or any other complication is like asking me to drive a shift car. Yep, I was also sorry that I didn't catch what my Sister was doing and also just buy a 7 program (but they have plans also to end support for that program... not just sure when) -- I loved the 7.

OK ... just checked download.com and I think actually it was OPERA ... really liked it -- funny how you remember things!

http://download.cnet.com/browsers/windows/13/

PS: Also note that there is a specific AD BLOCK for Opera

I'm not much on turning things off and on the computer!

Zone Alarm security has been trying to get me to update my anti-virus, I think -- may be my fire wall .... not sure which. But the program which exists is FREE and can't be updated. The new FREE one can be put on my computer but I have to turn off and uninstall the old one to do it. And, I've been putting that off for two/three months now because I'm not confident I can do it!! Will wait for my son to do it for me. :)

No -- not Pale Moon. I'll take a look now cause want to find something to run on my computer as don't know if it's the heat here (95 in NJ today!) or if it's some problem with security but IE keeps having to close programs and folding. In old XP, the screens used to freeze and Microsoft never did anything about that.

Haven't seen one of those "script" turn off messages since I have 8.1 and the way my son set it up I'm fairly OK.

You CAN'T "uninstall" IE as it's the default browser should anything go wrong. And that issue has come up a couple of times in the past. And I think that's why MS and IE are so fussy at times because putting another browser on to replace IE means that they are never 100% compatible.

Aaaah.... you went to 10 .... Oh ..... Don't know how many people went from 8.1 to 10 but I really didn't want to. My sister moved her XP to a 7 for $100 bucks I think as she didn't want 8.1 or 10. They continue to support the 7 though think they have withdrawn some of the servicing of it. But she's gotten at least 2 or 3 years out of it so far.

PLUS, I'm kinda a computer dummy versus what so many others know about computers -- and especially about researching which is so important here. My powers of research are very limited.

This is why Voat went down. This is what we are truly up against.

ITK7:This page is NOT an expose on the Roman Catholic Church, but an overview of  the bloody Society of Jesus (Company of Jesus) aka Jesuits: 500yr-old  All-MALE [homosexual] ROMAN CATHOLIC MILITARY ORDER; The Sovereign MILITARY ORDER of St. John The Hospitalier of Rhodes & Malta aka SMOM Knights of Malta, wielding unchecked power behind the scenes. Centuries of  high level Satanists  practicing ancient Babylonian-Egyptian style Mass Human (Child) Sacrifices to Molech, directed by  Superior/Father Generals (Black Popes) & General Councils, Jesuit Provincials and Coadjutors throughout the world. This is the true power behind the Vatican, Papacy and Holy See, Roman Curia (Cardinals) — sworn to uphold bloody Oath of The Fourth Vow... Jesuits (formerly monks) now masquerade in the guise of priests (plain black suits & white clergy collars) command Popes, Cardinals & Archbishops of the Roman Catholic Church. In devout service to their dark overlord they’re responsible for Inquisitions/Crusades (genocidal campaigns) which continue present day — WW1, WW2, Korean War, Vietnam (Conflict) countless political assassinations, current Crusade against Islamic world and coming WW3 are ALL Jesuit inspired plots… Abridged from http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_bush19.htm Following dictates of Ignatius Loyola’s “25 Sessions” and leadership of Superior General, ultimate goal of this secret organization is to, “Destroy and rebuild the Temple of Solomon, reestablishing the seat of the Pope in Israel.” Historically, the Jesuit mission has been to eliminate Protestant Christianity throughout the world, with United States being the last frontier to be conquered. Contrary to the self-proclaimed mission to educate and assist the underprivileged in society, the Jesuits actually worship Lucifer (not Satan) and practice the most sadistic forms of human sacrifice, homosexuality, pedophilia, black magic, and murder. The Society employs a variety of ruthless tactics to accomplish its long-term goal (of a New World Order which pays homage to their Black Pope). One is carrying out political assassinations of world leaders who refuse to comply with its demands. These assassinations in the U.S. have included presidents (Abraham Lincoln, JFK), cabinet members, congressmen, senators, diplomats, journalists, scientists and religious and business leaders. https://intheknow7.wordpress.com/jesuits-smom-knights-rcc/

No -- I think it has to be DNA; actual descendent.

Da Vinci Code by Brown had some important messages for believers and Opie took it and made a car chase movie of it for 11 year olds.

Jesus was actually supposed to be the New Testament's "White Hat" response to the Old Testament and a violent god ... i.e., the dark side.

Jesus figure is in rebellion against Old Testament god and teaching of male-superiority. Brown points out likelihood married to Mary and had children who survived. Thus the alleged search for the Holy Grail is FOR Mary, the vessel which delivered children descended from Jesus. Actually ... I think they wanted to kill them. Other myths are that Jesus survived and lived on with family.

Old and New Testaments are inter-dependent as far as saving organized patriarchal religions, but they are also battling myths - one of a violent god and the other of Jesus who was basically a "commie." :)

Don't think even Joseph Kennedy had wealth that lasted for generations as he did get his money out of the market before the crash, but it would have been investments which preserved the wealth. At the rate they were procreating however I'm sure it's needed some shoring up. Recall JFK wasn't too happy with Jackie O's spending.

Remember looking up Hillary and that she had one of the same ancestors as Alefantis.

For all we know they may be torturing their children to get them to think like Mengele?

Rumors about British Royal Family are of the Reptilian sort.
Stories that allegedly trace back to Diana, but also Putin.

Long have been rumors of GHW Bush "flashing" reptilian.

If aliens have been visiting us and "improving" us over hundreds of thousands of years, then we are hybrids.

X-factor ... Twilight Zone music. :)

Eso -- Agree re Microsoft -- and also loved the XP2000. Only got rid of it about 3 years ago! And I had it for more than 10 years.
Always used to use Norton anti-virus and used to pay by check. One year, the download didn't work properly and though they refunded my money it left me open to a virus. If you recall the XP used to have a RESTORE feature where you could take the computer backwards in time and it also had a COMPLETE restore where you could take the computer back to the day you bought it. So that's what I did -- my son actually did it for me. And no problems after that.

It also does seem like computers and cell phones were invented to spy on us.
Did you see SNOWDEN movie? He was pointing out that NSA is spying on twice as many US citizens as citizens anywhere else -- including "terrorist" areas.

Oh -- good luck on Linux. Used to think that was going to be the solution, but can't figure it out at all. My son is kind of our "technician" when he visits -- we just make him stay 'til he fixes our computer or cell phones. :)

My son used to have a Mac and loved it, but very expensive.

The other browsers, I'd have to go to Download.com to remember them... At some point in next day or two I'll do that and will let you know. I think one began with a "P" and I really liked it and I think the other was Safari -- but don't know if they still exist.

I'll be back at some point.

yes there is a book (researched and written by a lawyer) called Lab 257 that provides gruesome details.

What I've seen is that info shedding light on SRA seems to get shaddowbanned, hit or otherwise dampened.

It did coincide with my PG post. Lol j/k

We are also suffering here (NJ) with huge heat wave which has been going on long time... certainly last week and continuing this week. It knocked out pm TV last week for at least two nights into like 5am. Never saw that happen before. Funny how we all thought that "cable" TV meant putting the cable underground -- but it didn't -- !!!

Very much agree with you re Chrome, but there are other browsers which I've used before which are very good. The problem is that IE is the default and any time you add another browser it will after a while begin to cause a problem for the new one. At least, that's been my experience.

CIA represents all Elites -- John Stockwell (CIA whistleblower who can be seen on YouTube as well as text) points to the CIA as "Catholics In Action."

Youtube down - Pakistani Intel blocked youtube because of anti islamic content - Pak company boasted fasted youtube connection - could be cause G: thinks they took it down to stop 20 farmers learning that their land was stolen to build a children's hospital - case will be tried - Lev Pak ISI = CIA https://youtu.be/TfR3--r_L8A?t=86 2 mins

Is voat run by Tavistock? I noticed in the cloud flare, it passed through London.

Gohstery works for most

Hmm, the OP says "three possible suspects" and "maybe a combination of the three", followed by a list of only two things. If there was a third thing that is now missing from the OP, that's the one to concentrate on all right. OP, what was the third thing?

Could it be because of the two posts about all the "Joseph" businesses?

You can purchase Zika Virus right on the Web. Discount for non profits. It's the Rockefeller brand good stuff too... https://www.atcc.org/products/all/VR-84.aspx

For what it's worth, here's my research linking Jesuits to Freemasons both ideologically, politically; and to Gnosticism, MKULTRA and what I'm now calling the cyber thesis. Key word here is "control" or I should say "Kontrol"

Cyber means control but the word itself has origins in government. And the word government literally means mind control (govern the mind)--the word itself is a puzzle that whistleblows alchemy is the drive for control -- the purpose of control not being stasis, but rather to use it to build up empire and then collapse it for higher forms of culture and humanity. Forcing evolution to nextlevel so to speak.

Which is not my idea at all though I did come to that conclusion independently of any outside research. What is fascinating is everyone come to this conclusion. Jan Irvin of Gnostic Media came to that conclusion in his R Gordon Wasson--Mkultra--Psychedelic research; George Webb is getting to that conclusion with his thesis of Domestic Control Grid from Ratlines to Organ harvesting using satellites and insular Security State millieu to continually rebundle power into increasingly efficient patterns of gangsterism; to Carol Quigley of the Tragedy and Hope and of course the CYBER model of Richard Grove which is beyond everything anyone has done

They all outline the Gangster computer god agenda; or as Ray Kurzweil would put it "the Singularity" (we could call his ideation generally "singularitarianism"), but I call the cyborg agenda to be the "get you to the robot plan"™ -- it's weirder FAR weirder than that though

And pizzagate generally is a cia op. Not to say they aren't doing these thing--they absolutely are. But 'they' is all cia people. 'They' run drugs, 'they' run cults. Been doing it since the 60s and it's well proven by several. 'They' control people at the top through brownstone operations which George Webb discusses. Here is my take on 'control grid'

• https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/5p9nay/operation_brownstain/

What's their deal though? Why do they have to control stuff?

Well, it's because the Governments of the world are more paranoid than the most shizoid 'conspiracy theorist' there ever was

• https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/40y7y7/the_us_government_a_conspiracy_theorist_by_their/

Kontrol is not just about roboticizing people. It's about Alchemy. The powers that shouldn't be, all these supranationalist 'chess players' are actually Gnostic Globalists. Political Alchemists. Or witches. Take your pick. It's all freemasons and jesuits from the 10M level and up

And what's Alchemy about? It's about recasting society by breaking it down alchemically. That's why you have phoenixes everywhere. Peacocks are phoenixes, Eagles are actually phoenixes, symbolically. It's all about civilization building by big expansions and a series of smaller contractions, hoping to grow the market. Like the ebb and flow of the financial markets

This is the essence of systems theory and control grid. It's about gas and brakes and doesn't matter how much suffering and anxiety is created. That stuff is great for revenue building...because you sell the solution and you also sell the problems and then you sell the therapy. When your'e selling everything, you always make money

It's also about creating chimeras. It's about morphic freedom and alchemy as much as it is some kind of nihilistic/existential digital ideation to become a robotlord of simulation--

It's not enough for them to create a technoneofeudalist empire of draconian mkontrol over all the human condition to have mentally enslaved zombies x forever (ie: phantomzon'd reality). They want THAT plus they want to create simulated wars, simulated suffering, simulated anxiety x forever, because that's feeding their energy, which manifests itself from higher dimensions into this lower dimension as the dollar and as money

Money is really just a measure of anxiety in higher dimension is what I'm saying. I know that's kind of abstract and abstruse but it's true I assure you.

As far as the lower dimensional denizens puppeted as avatars by higher dimensional demons (or lower dimensions however you want to view it), what is their aim while they are here?

1) they are trying to figure out if they can make it to space and beyond. That's what's with the Musk-eteers and GD discount Lex Luthor trying to get to space (Jeff Bezos)

The moment they do, they'll may kill all of us, because they will want to return to Earth when it's nice and poor person free; They won't until they can get to space--in fact they need all of us to help build up revenue and resource and technology to enable them to get that space elevator and/or tech to get them to space easily.

Then they will basically start killing off people without advanced STEM degrees. They want to feed off higher forms of energy, which means people who have higher IQs because their suffering is much more complexified, and 'fascinating' Then they will deploy eugenics to create another larger pool of resource to get more anxiety/energy/money from because when everyone is in space then clearly they must be at the multi millionaire level--at some point they'll just declare 100M dollars to be 1 dollar for simpicity sake and then they are literally wild west out in space

2) On the steering side: they want to basically evolve to the higher form they think humanity will take--but chances are aliens won't allow that. You have to conquer your dark side and get good with ethics before you can emerge from the cocoon of obsolescence, 3) Jesuits have always wanted to control history and science because they believe that they are entitled to dominate and control everyone and the most effective way (and cost effective way) to do that is through mind control--even better when you make money doing it (television, big sports, film)

If you want to know more about how the jesuits work, go back to webster tarpley talking about the fraud of newton. It's pretty eye opening.

Sorry this was kind of an autistic vomitting of a comment that covered a lot of really weird ground

Apparently, Wikileaks is writing something into the Bitcoin Blockchain. The last time Voat was shut down by DDoS was when Assange released the insurance files.

yes .... i am in australia and i couldnt access voat last night

What about Opus Dei and Jesuits -- rivals?

BINGO!! jesuits / Knights Of Malta / Black Nobility.. That's where the biggest Demon is the Vatican

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican144.htm

Pepe Orsini

Pepe Orsini of the Roman Maximus Clan.   He is the Grey Pope and is the King of the Holy Roman Papal Bloodlines. Above the Rothschilds and Rockefellers but in line and of equal stature to the Breakspear, Aldobrandini, and other Papal Bloodlines...

Knight of Malta, Tom Cruise donates to the Optimum Population Trust of Manchester, England. He and his father are major depopulationists. Both are tied to the Papal bloodline Orsini family a most powerful family in complete control of the conspiracy. Pepe Orsini is the grey Pope working with his Black Pope in his Society Of Jesus.   The Orsini (Maximus/Orso) family are the Zoroastrianist shadow hierarchy of the Jesuit Order.

The "Illuminati" is only one of the six current heads that make up "the Beast" and there is a head to that beast... a woman who rides that beast, the evil Queen Hephzibah (the matriarch who is said to be the reincarnation of Semaramis).

So is Depopulation a goal - Georgia Guide Stones - Agenda 21

http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/2014/04/agenda-21-the-population-bomb-and-the-georgia-guide-stones/

Found this thread in v/news explaining last night's DDoS:

Voat goes down Chans are shilled. Here's why.

US state department was hacked and shit tons of files were posted online and downloaded by anons.

A juicy bit for anyone following the magnitsky case is that Bill Browder might be a giant cocksucking liar.

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/3057aa323a41d1acbf96c242430817266c968caca147a6f799a29ddcaea3a7a7.pngPNG

Who knows what other delicious bites will come from these leaks.

https://8ch.net/pol/res/10255180.html

What happened last night? I was on for 5 minutes around 1am and didn't notice anything - but I was only on one thread

We should look into ports - there's a Seattle port that seems interesting

Both 4chan and Voat went down right after somebody started posting about something called "the invisible bistro."

I have no idea what that means because when I clicked on the information... SERVER INTURRUPTION ERROR.

I don't forgive.

...and I don't forget.

What about that Joseph's invisible bistro stuff, that literally just came to light right before the attack?

Actually I was going to ask if anyone else here had any "security" messages about certification of websites ... which one or ones not clear. It resulted in my dumping a lot of information. And it seemed to begin after I picked up a link to "Thanks for the Memories" here which is book by survivor of sexual abuse who claimed Bob Hope was her controller/mentor. Not sure that I don't still have the problem. And I did report it to Mods.

How knowledgeable do these "shills" have to be about the reality behind this subject? Obviously a lot of the "shills" working for Media Matters and Hillary seemed amateurs. Of course, Alefantis seemed to have contacted someone posting here re the "Museum."

Thank you :)

I've read a few articles saying they the Jesuits stonghold is Ireland and that is where their main power source comes from, it is an extremely powerful place for them and it can be for us. Reclaim Ireland and we can defeat the cabal.

So we go from the clintons/podesta/letter agencies to heavy breathing to the Jews to elsa and now freaking jesuits? Anyone notice how we keep getting further and further away from the actual swamp?? I'm all for the esoteric, as long as it leads back to the shit going on right now with people who can be held accountable right now. No one is going to prison for being a Jesuit. Follow the money, indeed, and uncover the lies and corruption - be it Jew, gentile, or lizard person.

The Jesuits: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1999842 Brilliant lead by ThePuppetShow. I think this is the most likely reason for the attacks.

I LOL'd hard...thanks...

" start receiving strange phone calls... experiencing strange activity on your PCs, phones, or tablets... You need to document it and post it here so users can compare notes."

happens to me daily

today, the caller id # was 385-249-5015

where is that? I don't bother looking the #'s up anymore.

ALSO - to those of you who do not know...

If keeping copies of VOAT posts on your computer (I have some that are in folders and organized for later reference), make copies of your folders on an external hard drive and disconnect that from your computer after use. "they" (whoever they are) can - not only delete files from your computer but can do it on attached memory as well. If you ever "lose" a file, look on your back up and you will find it there.

These people also put backdated articles on the web. So if you think you remembered that something happened - whatever event - and look online, it will make you think you remembered it wrong.

That just happened with a zika virus article. WHO / CDC came out with the Zika scare in Feb. 2016. I know because I followed it and documented the entire timeline. Recently, I found an article online about it that was backdated to Jan. 2016 - before the Zika scare started. It was all fake.

Just an FYI.

I thought the same thing this morning - we hit a nerve. Hopefully everyone has their research backed up locally.

I've noticed older accounts coming out of the woodwork trying to throw out red herrings like this Whitmore Farm/Walkin BS. It may be the real deal - it's just not the same machine. Or people claiming Shit about the podestas going to a non existent HS in Arlington.

I think they are getting desperate. We are taking their only argument away. Hammer it home. Look at what else the jesuits have infected. Start looking at politicians.

It's time to turn the lights on the roaches.

I found the names of the Black Nobility families. These are the "kings" of the satanist rot on this planet. Might be difficult to obtain leads on these people without running into a unch of esoteric crap. Then again, they're probably big time into the occult.

House of Borja

House of Breakspeare

House of Somaglia

House of Orsini (Orso)

House of Conti

House of Chigi

House of Colonna

House of Farnese

House of Medici (no relation to the Medici's in the "Skull Girls" video game)

House of Gaetani

House of Pamphili

House of Este

House of Aldobrandini

Great takedown of Donkey and his warped theory by puppet show.

If you go after the the Vatican Jesuits, your at the door of the hornets nest for sure. Last time I heard, the Queen herself is head of the Knights of Malta. But there is slso other things going on in the financial market right now. The whole block chain and being able to attach information to it is very fascinating.

Don't know if you saw this... https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/2002285/9869576 Can any of you make sense of this?

This thread is the shilling. Brilliant lead, LMAO! IT WAS A CUT AND PASTE JOB MENTIONING ONE PRIEST AND DONOHUE CORRECTING THE STATS -- HE DIDNT EVEN DEFEND THE PEDO!

Meanwhile i post about an israeli DIPLOMAT WHO FACED ZERO PUNISHMENT FOR INFANT TORTURE AND GOT REASSIGNED ELSEWHERE, obviously more relevant, but deleted within 3 minutes.

"Donahue has made MANY appearances on "Jew controlled media". Why would that happen if the media is really Jew controlled?" LOL A LEADER OF A THIRD OF THE COUNTRYA RELIGION IS ON T.V. ERGO JEWS DONT CONTROL IT LMAOOO

Conclusion: youre the faggot shill brigade and it is PATHETICALLY OBVIOUS.

History of the Jesuits

From the Book "THE HISTORY OF GERMANY" by Wolfgang Menzel [In four volumes. This quote is From Volume 3 pg 1072. Book not dated but was written in mid to late 1800's. Menzel, Wolfgang, 1798-1873]

"The Society of Jesus was founded by Ignatius Loyola, an enthusiastic Spaniard, for penitents, who, in those heretical times, ere long made it their business to confirm the faith of the wavering, and, consequently, became the tools of Rome. Benedict XIV, named them St. Peter's Janissaries.

Their object was the restoration of unlimited hierarchical power, and they despised no means, however base, that might conduce to success, according to their celebrated maxim, "The end justifies the means."

The society was intended to form an aristocracy of talent, whose office it was to guard the avenues of knowledge against the rest of mankind; and, as a precaution against individual treachery, no member was permitted to quit the order except to take the vows of a Carthusian, by which he bound himself to silence and solitude for the rest of his days.

The heads of the society had unlimited power to remove, punish, and assassinate the members. The first vow taken by the initiated was that of unconditional obedience. A system of secret espionage pervaded the whole society; suspicion was condemnation; and the victim was sentenced to die in seclusion of starvation, as it expressly directed by Suarez, the great Jesuitical casuist.

The members were divided into classes, the highest of which, the professors, elected the head or general of the whole order, who resided at Rome. Every province of the order was under the superintendence of a pater provincialis. The higher grades were kept strictly secret from the lower classes, who were merely the blind tools of the former. The pope conferred the most extensive privileges upon the order, which was empowered to interfere everywhere with the clergy and with all other orders. -- And, in order to renew the times of the first apostles, the Jesuits sent out missionaries, who visited the most distant parts of the globe, for the purpose of converting the heathen and --- of taking possession of the New World. They brought countless treasure into Europe, by means of which they placed themselves on a firm footing and acquired immense influence at a period when money was power.

The most celebrated of these missionaries was St. Xavier, who met with a martyr's death in India. Numbers of the Jesuits shared the same fate; many, in particular Germans, were distinguished for piety and learning and by their exploration of unknown countries. Among the European Jesuits were many fervent spirits actuated by the purest zeal; many simple and poetical minds unstained by hypocrisy, for instance, Balde; many deeply learned men, sincere lovers of truth.

It would be unjust to pass a sweeping condemnation upon all the Jesuits. But the ruling spirit and the political effect of the order were immoral.

The manner in which they denied the truths brought to light during the Reformation, sought to veil them by bringing to view the weaknesses and errors of Protestantism, or to suppress them by force, cannot be justified.

The sophistry with which they still defended undeniable and long-sensible abuses was revolting to reason. The means by which they bent the powerful and wealthy to their purposes were often the most unholy.

pg1074 One of the principle objects of the Jesuits was to replace the sale of dispensations, which had fallen into bad repute since the Reformation, and which was, moreover, almost indispensable to the church. This was done by means of the lax morality of the confessional. The more luxurious court life became, the more easily did the Jesuits forgive the sins committed by the aristocracy; in order to pacify the new conscientious scruples awakened by the Reformation, they became the advocates instead of the judges of sins, from every description of which they, by their casuistry, exculpated the offender.

The Spanish Jesuits went furthest. The book of Escobar, the confessor's manual, passed through thirty-six editions, which were printed under the direction of the society and of the church. The church closed her eyes to any measures taken by the confessors, provided they made proselytes and gathered the stray sheep into the fold.

According to their casuistical system, all sins were exculpated: First, by the doctrine of probabilismus, that is, by the mildest of all possible interpretations.

A says, "Such a sin is too horrible to be forgiven." B says, "Certainly; still it might thus be exculpated, " etc. etc. Upon this C says, "According to A's opinion it cannot be forgiven; but it can be according to B's; and as an authority is all that is requisite, and the mildest point of view is admissible, I agree with B." Secondly, By the directio intentionis, that is, by the thoughts being occupied during the performance of a bad action with an innocent object. Thus, for instance, one might bribe another or accept of a bribe and, at the same time, be merely thinking of civility or gratitude.

Thirdly, By the reservatio mentalis. It was allowable to take a false oath by voluntarily adding a mental reservation, as, for instance, a man might swear he had no money, although he had some, provided he mentally added "none to lend," etc. One might take an oath thus, "I swear (that I say here, although it is untrue) that I, " etc. or "I swear that I did not do that (a hundred years ago or a hundred miles hence), " or " I swear to do so (if I cannot think of something else)."

pg1075 ... and it continues

This is getting long. Someone can let me know if they want me to type up the rest.

this volume has not been scanned into archives.org yet. volume 4 has - but I did not see anything about the jesuits in that volume. https://archive.org/details/germanyfromtheea08401gut

I don't think it had anything to do with the threads posted. Why? Because shill posts get put up and bury important ones. None of that happened. Maybe they were trying to find out identities?Or it could be older posts.

Totally agree that we're doing our job. The shills are everywhere.

muh Jesuits

It's the Jews

I found it rather telling also!

The Rothschilds don't work alone. Its not a case of 'either/or', both the Jesuits and the Rothschilds are at the center of a lot of very nasty shit. I would bet they have an alliance at the very top, and with an alliance, its not really important who is marginally more powerful or influential. BOTH are.

In medieval times, power over society was divided into two groups, civil and military. Civil power was held by bishops, priests, Popes. The tithe was the original form of income tax. Confession, that was just a way of collecting intelligence.

Military power was held by kings. That is why kings lived in castles. They were in charge of the army. That is why a king that led his soldiers into battle was so impressive (and inspiring) to the soldiers. Because, ultimately, that was his job! The king staying safe back in the castle just gave the soldiers the impression the king thought it was too dangerous, or not worth his efforts. So it would make sense in the modern world too, for duties to be shared. "You handle banking. We will handle religion."

I have no idea, but the timing does support a daytime attack from Europe so either or both of your possible suspects.