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Commoner ago

If you look at this submission just now, you will find out that

"Under Bill Clinton's Administration he signed a law which gave cash incentives to CPS for every child taken from their parents and placed up for adoption. Clinton's law gives CPS $4,000 per child with an additional $2,000 added for special needs children that are taken from their parents and put up for adoption. (On November 19, 1997 President Bill Clinton signed the law - The Adoption and Safe Families Act (ASFA, Public Law 105-89) after having been approved by the United States Congress in early November of 1997)."

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1987713

I think it is fair to say that we KNOW what the Clintons and their cabal have done.

twistedmac11 ago

Here’s the thing. This isn’t a contest. The bipartisan system is bs. Yes, we know the Clintons are fucked up, but everyone is turning a blind eye to Trump. Read up on limited hangouts and then apply that here. Pizzagate put the spotlight on Podesta and the Clintons and probably, honestly, won Trump the election. Look at Part II (linked at the bottom of this post), scroll to the bottom, and read the part about Wikileaks. What if that was what was supposed to happen? What if the Clintons and Podesta have been so sloppy that they needed to be taken out in order for elite operations to continue? Trump is now in one of the most powerful political positions in the world. You still think that is a fluke, a hiccup? That is wasn’t planned? Try again. The whole system is rigged and you’re falling for it.

Commoner ago

"What if the Clintons and Podesta have been so sloppy that they needed to be taken out in order for elite operations to continue?" The Clintons were not taken out as part of a (((plan))). The American people voted for Trump because people pretty much have disdain for the Clintons and anyone associated with them.

twistedmac11 ago

So you still believe the voting system isn’t rigged? That your vote makes a difference? Sounds like you’re in denial. No one gets the presidency unless they are allowed to do so. Trump is a pawn. Set aside your MAGA bias for a bit and go do some research on him. Seriously. This is important. Until people start to wake up and really understand this shit, it’s going to be business as usual.

AssFaceSandwich2 ago

The voting system is very corrupted, by Clinton's shenanigans, and by the Crosscheck list that won it for Trump. Yes, many people voted for him as how in the fuck could anyone vote for Her?, but the list is real. Oh well, no arguments from me, except of course neither side should have such mechanisms.

Commoner ago

Well, then, who should have been elected from all the ones that ran? And what would Trump need to do to convince you that he is not part of the NWO cabal?

You are assuming that I have not done research on Trump. I have researched not only him, but the organizations that are doing research on him.

twistedmac11 ago

Who should have been elected is who was elected. Everything is orchestrated.

I don’t know that there’s any convincing unless he starts throwing people in prison. So far there have been a lot of low level arrests and a lot of talk of draining the swamp, but no real action, which is another reason I keep saying I think this is a limited hangout.

You know, one time I saw someone say something like “Pedophile friends + pedophile art + pedophile code words = nothing to see here” in regards to Podesta (or maybe Alefantis? I’m second guessing myself now) and how absurd it was that people were ignoring his connections. Trump has the pedophile friends, he’s made pedophile statements, and there are numerous sexual harassment claims against him, two which involved underage girls. What would Trump need to do to convince you that he IS part of the NWO cabal?

I’m not assuming anything about what you have or haven’t done. I, too, have done my research. What I am wondering, though, is if you’ve starting catching onto your bias yet.

Commoner ago

Hey, if Trump is found to have participated in the trafficking/abuse of children, then he can hang with the rest of them. I am just telling you that what you have presented is not overwhelming enough to convince voters yet that he deservers to be. There needs to be more evidence provided. I am sure the MSM would be happy to accommodate whatever you can find on him, especially if it pertains to Russian children. The problem they would have in doing that, though, is that most likely much of it would stick to Clinton and Obama too. So, perhaps, Clintons and Obama need to go down, before things stick to Trump. The MSM attacking Trump constantly on Russian is only helping him. So I think that before Trump can be exposed,, the MSM needs to appear to be more balanced in the way they cover him in relation to how they covered Obama. Until that happens, Trump will continue to be seen as the 'white hat' outsider, whether he is or not.

twistedmac11 ago

I agree, and that could definitely be the case. The media has had an absolute field day with Trump. Then again, he has been directly attacking the mainstream media and calling it fake news since they first attacked him. I agree that the mainstream media is a joke, but him continuously yelling fake news is probably not helping his case any.

But, on the other hand, there is a large amount of the population (I’m gonna guess maybe half?) that hates Trump and/or believe what the media writes about him. They would probably take his connections to known pedophiles and child traffickers seriously. So I don’t know that the MSM really needs to be more fair in that regard, but it would certainly help the Trumpsters get on board.

Commoner ago

"The media has had an absolute field day with Trump. Then again, he has been directly attacking the mainstream media and calling it fake news since they first attacked him. I agree that the mainstream media is a joke, but him continuously yelling fake news is probably not helping his case any. "

Well, this is well we differ. Trump calling them fake news IS helping him, And the MSM may think they are having a field day, but they are hanging themselves on their own petard.

"there is a large amount of the population (I’m gonna guess maybe half?) that hates Trump and/or believe what the media writes about him"

And they are the ones who are seen as biased, partisan , un-American and out-of-control. Trump is benefitting greatly from the MSM's bias and the craziness of the ones who hate him.

twistedmac11 ago

You know what, I just sat here and typed out this long response before I realized that, if Trump is compromised or whatever, it doesn’t matter either way. If that’s the case, the media vs trump war isn’t meant to be won, as it would lead to a Boy-Who-Cried-Wolf situation either way. If the media won, and Trump quit fighting them, the public would continue to be brainwashed by propaganda. If Trump won, and the mainstream media as we know it fell, Trump could “fake news” us right past an actual scandal. I guess the underlying idea either way is that people have to understand how propaganda is used and how to recognize it. Then switch their brains on, start thinking for themselves, and stop blindly believing what they’re told.

Commoner ago

I agree with you there!