You better know the laws very well and lawyer up. If you got no credible evidence dont do it.
Remember these elite pedos are protected by the police and the judges.
You said "pizzagate people kept linking the article" , thats what id like to see , the fact your defending someone else is beyond me, oh wait, that means your a fraud too.
Theoreticaly I suppose, but the rule of law does not apply for those part of the "system". The police would then arrest you and the courts not take your case. The corporate media was sued for the legitimate reason of faking the news on Sandy Hook, but the judge threw it out as frivolous. It was not, and a Jury would have gone through all the crisis actors and nonsense storyline and saw it was all bogus. The Courts would not allow the case to exist. The cabal controls the entire working system. Your citizens arrest would get you arrested and their media would portray you as a dellusional nutter. The rule of law is a myth, it is only used for us.
Unfortunately, no. Not realistically. They are liable to throw YOU in prison sans charges while they torture you for 18 months. (Happened to a friend of mine.)
And a big FUCK YOU to anyone calling me a "shill." (How original! LOL)
Maybe they have a bad taste in their mouth from the name of that "museum" children were tortured in, PEGASUS .Apparently James Alefantis liked horse's too,I doubt your a shill, a shillperp maybe.
If the system is failing, the people have the duty to ensure that civilized society prevails. How can it prevail when child molesters, rapists, and murderers walk free after being PROVEN GUILTY??? So what to do?? I've heard that some people are collecting the names of judges and politicians who protect these creeps. We have the ability to print those names anywhere and everywhere until they can no longer be hidden in yesterday's news. At voting time we need to be very active. We need to become familiar with lists of sex offenders and the crimes they committed. If they are serial rapists we need to demand that they are removed from our neighborhoods. Let them live somewhere in a confined community where they can plant their own gardens and fend for themselves. We shouldn't even have to pay squat to house and feed them.
But don't give up. Trump was outraged by what he called barbaric religious practices and violent philosophies. He may have met some of these creeps.
Yeah, but you wrote this bolt_from_the_blue "Just like they pretend that random low-level nobodies like Jacob Schwartz or some former small-town mayor are big shot "elites"."
Please link the "old article" or shill out.
Anyone can arrest for a felony. The problem is getting the county jail to take them into custody and press charges. That is out of your hands.
It gets a lot easier if you have conclusive video evidence of wrongdoing, which is why I keep advising everyone here to initiate surveillance, as I have done successfully on many occasions.
It's obvious that they are paid
to shill, their only agenda is to censor and inhibit free speech. I'm all for the constitution but I'm not for shills shilling to censor.
Yeah... no, you'd have to see them commit an actual crime. Nothing we've seen to date qualifies any one to conduct a citizens arrest.
And if you do see any Elite public figure committing an atrocity of this magnitude, film everything, and beat the absolute shit out of them prior to issuing your citizen's arrest.
"Nothing we've seen to date qualifies any one to conduct a citizens arrest". Really?
Laws for making a citizen's arrest: For a felony, a private person can make a citizen's arrest if he or she has probable cause. The citizen needs trustworthy information that the suspect committed the felony. The citizen does not have to see it happen.
And here's probable cause: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probable_cause
"A reasonable amount of suspicion, supported by circumstances sufficiently strong to justify a prudent and cautious person's belief that certain facts are probably true"
In all seriousness, yeah, really... there's a TON of circumstantial evidence. Sure. But, nothing that could really be used to issue a warrant, outside of some of the social media activity we've captured. And even that would likely need some cross-referenced data points to prove some kind of harm was done.
Which piece of evidence would you lean on to determine probable cause? I don't think there is any.
The coded emails?
JA's social media?
The video of the kid w/ Skippy?
With all due respect, you simply don't have cause for a citizen's arrest. Your probable cause has to about a specific instance of a specific crime.
Like I saw you shoplift that item in my store today. Or I saw you breaking the window of that blue honda last night.
If you don't understand how these laws work on a deeper level than reading wikipedia, you could be opening yourself up to arrest or being sued. For example
film everything, and beat the absolute shit out of them prior to issuing your citizen's arrest.
This is absolutely a crime. A crime even if the guy is guilty. A citizen making an arrest has far less leeway than the cops and use force can result in an assault charge. A citizen's arrest still needs to be done within the law. Vigilantism will leave you in legal jeopardy.
If if the child was actively endangered and they attacked you to escape the situation? Self defense bro! And defending the well-being of a minor...
In all actuality, if any horrid crime like this was committed outside of their subterranean rape dungeons and there was a witness - the best, realistic course of action would be to film it/periscope it and call 911.
An attempted citizens arrest would likely get you Vince Foster'ed before the cops showed up.
An attempted citizens arrest would likely get you Vince Foster'ed before the cops showed up.
This part is nuts
This part is reasonable.
If if the child was actively endangered and they attacked you to escape the situation? Self defense bro! And defending the well-being of a minor...
You can use a reasonable amount of force. And you have the right to defend yourself. However, if you go in with the plan to beat the guy up and then claim self defense, you're at risk. Self-defense is only the amount of force needed to defended yourself. If he pushes you, and punch him and knock down, you just can't start whaling on the guy either. The possibility of things escalating is why it's almost always better to let the cops arrest the guy.
You would need to be sure of this though
If if the child was actively endangered..................And defending the well-being of a minor...
A crime has to be committed for you to make a citizen's arrest, in most cases a felony needs to be actually committed. The language you use here is vague. If you have reasonable suspicion and your perform a citizen's arrest. AND THE PERSON DID NOT COMMIT a crime (or a felony crime where that's the statue), then you just put yourself at legal risk for false imprisonment. If you used any force, you can be arrested for assault.
Let's say you see a known stolen car parked outside a house. And a guy walks of the house and you grab his shirt and say I'm performing a citizen's arrest on you. The guy says get off me, and pulls out of your grip and you grab the guy in a bear hug so he can't get away. That is probably a reasonable amount of force if HE STOLE THAT CAR. If his neighbor stole the car, and parked it in front of his house, you just committed assault and false imprisonment.
Technically you just need probable cause and a reliable source for a citizens arrest of a person committing a felony, at least in the state this article is referencing. However, I have absolutely zero real knowledge of how citizens arrests actually work beyond the ibformation in this article.
Anyone who has an actual working knowledge on the subject, I would be curious to know if I am correct, or how this would work at the federal level.
Love the idea. If we can pull together solid proof of something, and it is evident that either local or federal agencies are standing down for whatever reason...then i say we as citizens should absolutely use the power granted to us to bring justice where it is due. As long as it is according to the law. I'm sure we can muster up a good number of people to aid in the arrest. We would also need legal assistance, but i bet we wouldnt have a hard time finding patriotic lawyers, who would be willing to help build the case and provide counsel. If this idea caught some steam...this could actually be just what we need to restore power to the people. This would give us the power to drain some of the swamp ourselves. I think we need to really discuss this idea more seriously tbh.
Fck off James. If there was no guilt you wouldn't set your Instagram pedo account to private and you wouldnt be threatening citizens who expose your seedy and degenrate activites and premises.
We're coming for you.....btw, if it were one of my kids you touched I would extract severe retribution on your ugly face and body.
I'm trying to tell people not do something they don't realize is very stupid. Like go get a gun and play investigator.
Try this exercise. Officer, I performed a citizen arrest on ________ for the crime of ________. The crime occurred at the location of _______ on this date ______________ and my evidence is __________
The bigger connections wont get the arrest started (apparently...), if it is for example possible to arrest JA for letting kids play Ping Pong at night on the sidewalk or providing kids (alcohol at the) all ages shows ... or the unlawful digging and construction work something like that could be a new start perhaps ?
(Together with the pictures of his Instagram account etc as secondary pieces of evidence)
None of you has a case that you can explain in 10 seconds to the intake officer. Which means they're going to take your ass in for kidnapping, no matter how much circumstantial evidence you have.
That's why this is not a good idea yet, and why you should be running surveillance.
Just get a remote camera, put it on the exits at your suspected pervert's house, check the feed using TOR on public wireless. Worst case scenario, they find the camera and you have to get another one.
if it is for example possible to arrest JA for letting kids play Ping Pong at night on the sidewalk
This is not a crime. And the sidewalk ping pong thing stopped years ago.
or providing kids (alcohol at the) all ages shows
Why do you think this occurs? Is this an assumption of most folks? I would guess this never virtually happens at CPP, because that type of thing will get you shut down.
All age shows happen in lots of places and have a strong tradition in DC. I think it started there. Kid-Kids are virtually never at the all ages shows, they are home in bed. College kids not old enough to drink? Yes. High School kids probably.
But most places that do all ages shows are pretty vigilant about underage drinking and they have figured out how to do put these shows on 30 years ago.
or the unlawful digging and construction work something like that
How do you know this is unlawful?
All of these are just recipes for disaster and legal trouble. You basically should never make a citizen's arrest unless you are an eyewitness to a crime that just occurred. Some states only allow this if you witnessed a felony. If you have evidence of illegal construction work, you call up the cops and provide the evidence, you don't personally arrest anyone.
Im guessing CPP serves alot of body part pizza so not much left in the way of evidence & havent you heard , the DC police are complicit.Don't you have children to kidnapp or something.
So you spend your days here trying to dissuade people from investigating for what ? All you do is defend people being accused of hurting children, sick sick sick, perhaps are_YOU_sure would be a more appropriate sn as WE are not on the same team.
Why can't mods delete these users? They do it over at r/syrianwar. And you must have a sad life to come on here always brigading this place, most of the people who wish only to help children.
Dude, step back and look at the big picture. This guy is spending a lot of time and effort watching this sub. We are close, close enough that they're putting serious effort into trying to change the narrative. Their evil will be brought to light.
Blaster2 ago
Those two post combined are very powerful
Would it be possible to do a Citizen's arrest, and could that be the first step? - Laws for making a citizen's arrest
+++ the document from this post
Redditor is filing against Hillary and Podesta. Let's show support! https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1918568
Touchdown50 ago
You better know the laws very well and lawyer up. If you got no credible evidence dont do it. Remember these elite pedos are protected by the police and the judges.
eongoat ago
Might want to have this badge. Just don't ID yourself as a cop.
Shillaxe ago
You said "pizzagate people kept linking the article" , thats what id like to see , the fact your defending someone else is beyond me, oh wait, that means your a fraud too.
DeathTooMasons ago
Theoreticaly I suppose, but the rule of law does not apply for those part of the "system". The police would then arrest you and the courts not take your case. The corporate media was sued for the legitimate reason of faking the news on Sandy Hook, but the judge threw it out as frivolous. It was not, and a Jury would have gone through all the crisis actors and nonsense storyline and saw it was all bogus. The Courts would not allow the case to exist. The cabal controls the entire working system. Your citizens arrest would get you arrested and their media would portray you as a dellusional nutter. The rule of law is a myth, it is only used for us.
equineluvr ago
Already been over this about 1,000 times.
Unfortunately, no. Not realistically. They are liable to throw YOU in prison sans charges while they torture you for 18 months. (Happened to a friend of mine.)
And a big FUCK YOU to anyone calling me a "shill." (How original! LOL)
millennial_vulcan ago
SHILL.
Shillaxe ago
Maybe they have a bad taste in their mouth from the name of that "museum" children were tortured in, PEGASUS .Apparently James Alefantis liked horse's too,I doubt your a shill, a shillperp maybe.
gumshoe_mob ago
If the system is failing, the people have the duty to ensure that civilized society prevails. How can it prevail when child molesters, rapists, and murderers walk free after being PROVEN GUILTY??? So what to do?? I've heard that some people are collecting the names of judges and politicians who protect these creeps. We have the ability to print those names anywhere and everywhere until they can no longer be hidden in yesterday's news. At voting time we need to be very active. We need to become familiar with lists of sex offenders and the crimes they committed. If they are serial rapists we need to demand that they are removed from our neighborhoods. Let them live somewhere in a confined community where they can plant their own gardens and fend for themselves. We shouldn't even have to pay squat to house and feed them.
But don't give up. Trump was outraged by what he called barbaric religious practices and violent philosophies. He may have met some of these creeps.
.
UnicornsAndSparkles ago
I've said it once I'll say it again. Dump them all on Epsteins island!
fogdryer ago
No that would be play day
Gitmo. Solitaire confiment
dickface888 ago
Am I allowed to do a citizens arrest on HRC?
millennial_vulcan ago
Ill pay you a million dollars!
numbtoyou ago
Fuck arrest, kill them all like Vlad the impaler.
HighLevelInsider ago
There's worse thing you could do, but I wouldn't talk about it on the internet beforehand.
crashing_this_thread ago
If they are all killed no one will believe it actually happened. A trial is the best way to redpill everyone.
Shillaxe ago
Yeah, but you wrote this bolt_from_the_blue "Just like they pretend that random low-level nobodies like Jacob Schwartz or some former small-town mayor are big shot "elites"." Please link the "old article" or shill out.
HighLevelInsider ago
Anyone can arrest for a felony. The problem is getting the county jail to take them into custody and press charges. That is out of your hands.
It gets a lot easier if you have conclusive video evidence of wrongdoing, which is why I keep advising everyone here to initiate surveillance, as I have done successfully on many occasions.
equineluvr ago
Have you surveilled "elites?"
Yeah, that's what I thought.
millennial_vulcan ago
You are such a fuck. Can you get hit by a speeding car and die already?
HighLevelInsider ago
Yes.
birthdaysuit11 ago
It's obvious that they are paid to shill, their only agenda is to censor and inhibit free speech. I'm all for the constitution but I'm not for shills shilling to censor.
SoSpricyHotDog ago
Yeah... no, you'd have to see them commit an actual crime. Nothing we've seen to date qualifies any one to conduct a citizens arrest.
And if you do see any Elite public figure committing an atrocity of this magnitude, film everything, and beat the absolute shit out of them prior to issuing your citizen's arrest.
pakitochocolatero ago
"Nothing we've seen to date qualifies any one to conduct a citizens arrest". Really? Laws for making a citizen's arrest: For a felony, a private person can make a citizen's arrest if he or she has probable cause. The citizen needs trustworthy information that the suspect committed the felony. The citizen does not have to see it happen.
Here's what a felony is - I'd say 50% are related to Pizzagate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony
And here's probable cause: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probable_cause "A reasonable amount of suspicion, supported by circumstances sufficiently strong to justify a prudent and cautious person's belief that certain facts are probably true"
SoSpricyHotDog ago
In all seriousness, yeah, really... there's a TON of circumstantial evidence. Sure. But, nothing that could really be used to issue a warrant, outside of some of the social media activity we've captured. And even that would likely need some cross-referenced data points to prove some kind of harm was done.
Which piece of evidence would you lean on to determine probable cause? I don't think there is any.
The coded emails? JA's social media? The video of the kid w/ Skippy?
None of it would hold up in court. Unfortunately.
Are_we__sure ago
With all due respect, you simply don't have cause for a citizen's arrest. Your probable cause has to about a specific instance of a specific crime.
Like I saw you shoplift that item in my store today. Or I saw you breaking the window of that blue honda last night.
If you don't understand how these laws work on a deeper level than reading wikipedia, you could be opening yourself up to arrest or being sued. For example
This is absolutely a crime. A crime even if the guy is guilty. A citizen making an arrest has far less leeway than the cops and use force can result in an assault charge. A citizen's arrest still needs to be done within the law. Vigilantism will leave you in legal jeopardy.
SoSpricyHotDog ago
If if the child was actively endangered and they attacked you to escape the situation? Self defense bro! And defending the well-being of a minor...
In all actuality, if any horrid crime like this was committed outside of their subterranean rape dungeons and there was a witness - the best, realistic course of action would be to film it/periscope it and call 911.
An attempted citizens arrest would likely get you Vince Foster'ed before the cops showed up.
Are_we__sure ago
This part is nuts
This part is reasonable.
You can use a reasonable amount of force. And you have the right to defend yourself. However, if you go in with the plan to beat the guy up and then claim self defense, you're at risk. Self-defense is only the amount of force needed to defended yourself. If he pushes you, and punch him and knock down, you just can't start whaling on the guy either. The possibility of things escalating is why it's almost always better to let the cops arrest the guy.
You would need to be sure of this though
A crime has to be committed for you to make a citizen's arrest, in most cases a felony needs to be actually committed. The language you use here is vague. If you have reasonable suspicion and your perform a citizen's arrest. AND THE PERSON DID NOT COMMIT a crime (or a felony crime where that's the statue), then you just put yourself at legal risk for false imprisonment. If you used any force, you can be arrested for assault.
Let's say you see a known stolen car parked outside a house. And a guy walks of the house and you grab his shirt and say I'm performing a citizen's arrest on you. The guy says get off me, and pulls out of your grip and you grab the guy in a bear hug so he can't get away. That is probably a reasonable amount of force if HE STOLE THAT CAR. If his neighbor stole the car, and parked it in front of his house, you just committed assault and false imprisonment.
SoSpricyHotDog ago
I'll be sure to thoroughly consider all of these points if I see a high powered elite assaulting a child.
Are_we__sure ago
If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride.
DeathTooMasons ago
If our system was legit, yes. It is not. So based on reality of the situation, no way in hell.
nuworldblue ago
Technically you just need probable cause and a reliable source for a citizens arrest of a person committing a felony, at least in the state this article is referencing. However, I have absolutely zero real knowledge of how citizens arrests actually work beyond the ibformation in this article.
Anyone who has an actual working knowledge on the subject, I would be curious to know if I am correct, or how this would work at the federal level.
Hey_Sunshine ago
This calls for a stakeout!
SoSpricyHotDog ago
Agreed... that would be awesome. Stealth drone footage FTW!
HighLevelInsider ago
This person gets it. One video of kids being dragged into Podesta will do more than all the hundreds of youtube videos putting together pieces.
23423423 ago
Amazing idea!!!!
unbiased_researcher ago
If law enforcement protects these people, you will not only accomplish nothing, you are just asking to be targeted.
HighLevelInsider ago
Unpopular, correct opinion. The cops are run by Freemasons, who are also abusing kids. Need a different strategy.
silverbug ago
I like this idea to be honest.
truthseekertx ago
Love the idea. If we can pull together solid proof of something, and it is evident that either local or federal agencies are standing down for whatever reason...then i say we as citizens should absolutely use the power granted to us to bring justice where it is due. As long as it is according to the law. I'm sure we can muster up a good number of people to aid in the arrest. We would also need legal assistance, but i bet we wouldnt have a hard time finding patriotic lawyers, who would be willing to help build the case and provide counsel. If this idea caught some steam...this could actually be just what we need to restore power to the people. This would give us the power to drain some of the swamp ourselves. I think we need to really discuss this idea more seriously tbh.
pakitochocolatero ago
Wow, I was completely unaware of this. With some organization this might be the way to go
HighLevelInsider ago
A lot easier to do if you have solid evidence, like a video of kids being taken into the guy's house.
23423423 ago
The shills hate it :)
Are_we_sure ago
Basically since you have no evidence of a crime. No it would not be possible. Doing this would open you up to being sued for false imprisonment.
Who would you arrest and for what specific crime?
ThePedoHunter ago
Fck off James. If there was no guilt you wouldn't set your Instagram pedo account to private and you wouldnt be threatening citizens who expose your seedy and degenrate activites and premises.
We're coming for you.....btw, if it were one of my kids you touched I would extract severe retribution on your ugly face and body.
You bastard child of a rothschild pedo
23423423 ago
Trying to scare people off?
You're full of shit
Are_we__sure ago
I'm trying to tell people not do something they don't realize is very stupid. Like go get a gun and play investigator.
Try this exercise. Officer, I performed a citizen arrest on ________ for the crime of ________. The crime occurred at the location of _______ on this date ______________ and my evidence is __________
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/citizen-s-arrest.html
Blaster2 ago
The bigger connections wont get the arrest started (apparently...), if it is for example possible to arrest JA for letting kids play Ping Pong at night on the sidewalk or providing kids (alcohol at the) all ages shows ... or the unlawful digging and construction work something like that could be a new start perhaps ?
(Together with the pictures of his Instagram account etc as secondary pieces of evidence)
HighLevelInsider ago
None of you has a case that you can explain in 10 seconds to the intake officer. Which means they're going to take your ass in for kidnapping, no matter how much circumstantial evidence you have.
That's why this is not a good idea yet, and why you should be running surveillance.
Just get a remote camera, put it on the exits at your suspected pervert's house, check the feed using TOR on public wireless. Worst case scenario, they find the camera and you have to get another one.
Are_we_sure ago
This is not a crime. And the sidewalk ping pong thing stopped years ago.
Why do you think this occurs? Is this an assumption of most folks? I would guess this never virtually happens at CPP, because that type of thing will get you shut down.
All age shows happen in lots of places and have a strong tradition in DC. I think it started there. Kid-Kids are virtually never at the all ages shows, they are home in bed. College kids not old enough to drink? Yes. High School kids probably. But most places that do all ages shows are pretty vigilant about underage drinking and they have figured out how to do put these shows on 30 years ago.
How do you know this is unlawful?
All of these are just recipes for disaster and legal trouble. You basically should never make a citizen's arrest unless you are an eyewitness to a crime that just occurred. Some states only allow this if you witnessed a felony. If you have evidence of illegal construction work, you call up the cops and provide the evidence, you don't personally arrest anyone.
Shillaxe ago
Wow, you knew CPP "stopped sidewalk ping pong years ago" , James ... is that you ?
Are_we_sure ago
No. I'm Tom.
Shillaxe ago
Ah, Tom's Creek , where (what remained) of the CASTELLUM and PEGASUS victims were/are fed to pigs. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1547634
Are_we__sure ago
That sounds illegal. You should take that rock-solid evidence to the police.
You're a pretty horrible person if you don't.
Shillaxe ago
Im guessing CPP serves alot of body part pizza so not much left in the way of evidence & havent you heard , the DC police are complicit.Don't you have children to kidnapp or something.
Are_we__sure ago
yes, you are absolutely guessing. Then filling out those guesses with the sewage from your head. Then projecting that onto other people.
Have a nice day.
Shillaxe ago
So you spend your days here trying to dissuade people from investigating for what ? All you do is defend people being accused of hurting children, sick sick sick, perhaps are_YOU_sure would be a more appropriate sn as WE are not on the same team.
PGIsRetardedAsFuckk ago
I honestly would pay to see you retards make a citizen arrest based on your ridiculously stupid conspiracy theory.
Blaster2 ago
Letting a baby chew on money and take and post a picture of ItisretardedAsFuckk !
birthdaysuit11 ago
Why can't mods delete these users? They do it over at r/syrianwar. And you must have a sad life to come on here always brigading this place, most of the people who wish only to help children.
Hey_Sunshine ago
Dude, step back and look at the big picture. This guy is spending a lot of time and effort watching this sub. We are close, close enough that they're putting serious effort into trying to change the narrative. Their evil will be brought to light.
Blaster2 ago
Would you pay with your Shill money ? and how much ?
PGIsRetardedAsFuckk ago
PHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAHAHA
millennial_vulcan ago
TICK TOCK!
ReyaPhemhurth ago
Why start your laughter with a 'P' noise?
Blaster2 ago
Look who is back again, Didn't learn from yesterday ?