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Are_we_sure ago

This prompted the present exploration which unearthed some interesting connections between two known John Podesta hangouts, abandoned tunnels and adoption centers: 1) BROOKLYN (These are all in a very close radius)

Actually the reason those things are in a close radius is because of the convergence of the IRT and the BMT tunnels here.

http://subwaynut.com/ct/borough_halln2/borough_halln214.jpg

What a genius that John Podesta must be! Located his candidate's HQ right near the Cobble Hill Tunnel. Brilliant! That would allow him to take children from HQ to the street take them a half mile to the only entrance to the tunnel which is this manhole in the middle of Atlantic Ave (Right out by the Trader Joe's.) This is what it looks like.

https://youtu.be/KB5aE9lJ76c?t=192

John would have to then set up some cones and barriers. John would then pry open the manhole with the crowbar you would need. Put the ladder into the tunnel. (John, You didn't forget the ladder did you? ) Now he can bring the kids down the ladder one by one and then......Voila. You're in a tunnel. You can then walk the children like a thousand feet underground!!!!!

BECAUSE THE TUNNEL LEADS NOWHERE!

that's right. Let me repeat that

BECAUSE THE TUNNEL LEADS NOWHERE!!!!!

Woo-hoo, we're in a tunnel! That leads nowhere. Suck it, George Webb!

In fact the guy who used to lead tours of the tunnel believes an entire train is walled off at the current end of the tunnel based on research he has done and the fact the original plans say the tunnel shouldn't end there.

So, now John Podesta the genius trafficker that he is will have to walk the children back a thousand feet, back up the ladder to the street and hope no one noticed the traffic cones and the open manhole, then gather up the cones, crowbar and the ladder and then he's in business. Now that he done the tunnel thing, it's only a 5 min walk back to 186 JORALEMON STREET where European Adoption Consultants IS NOT LOCATED at least not according to any google search I have run.

s2s ago

And you know this is the only entrance ... how?

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Are_we_sure ago

I assume you are asking how I know it's the only entrance.

Because the guy who discovered the tunnel had a contract with the city to be allowed to give tours of the tunnel which he did a couple of times a year for almost 30 years I believe. I know at least one person who took the tour. There's a lot of info online about this. The links at the bottom of the wikipedia page will let you know all this in about 15 minutes.

The "tunnel" once you enter it is just like a giant big chamber that is sealed off. He had first heard there was tunnel there and then he researched old railway plans and eventually determined what the thought was the location of the manhole where it would be When he found it. He had to climb down through the manhole, then crawl about 70 feet through a two foot high passage (the had filled in most of the hole with dirt) to an opening where he found a wall.

Here's here crawling through the space

https://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3873447/tunnels_inline_1.jpg

With the help of Con Ed utility crew, he broke through the wall. Once they broke through this wall cold air rushed out. They had breached the tunnel. The tunnel was sealed off on both sides and he had just broken through one side. I think he then got funding to actually open up that side are like an archaeological site. It's the oldest subway/train tunnel in America. His lifetime dream was to get funding and permission to open up the back wall, because he believes there's a train behind that wall and supposedly had some testing done that shows a very large metal thing is below the surface. However the city would never give permission because it would probably involve digging up a busy street.

anyway, the tunnel thing doesn't make sense in Brooklyn, it doesn't make sense in DC or anywhere else. It's an absolutely flight of fancy dreamed up to account for the lack of evidence of any JP/JA network of kids being moved around.

DonKeyhote ago

LOL desperate gaslight.much? Secret tunnels are probably 10,000 year old technology, made for the most trivial of reasons too.

"So, now John Podesta the genius trafficker that he is will have to walk the children back a thousand feet"

What an asshole.

Tunnel systems also connect basements of hotels and shops too for fast delivery of produce.

http://gothamist.com/2015/02/20/waldorf-astoria_train_tracks_subway.php#photo-1

RweSure ago

Gaslight? Stop with your goofy bullshit. I posted the facts, I'm not the guy proposing the bullshit theory.

He posted about one specific tunnel

A TUNNEL THAT LEADS NOWHERE!!!!!!!!

And your reply is to post about A DIFFERENT TUNNEL in a different part of the city.

And y'all have still yet to explain why a tunnel system is more effectively way of moving children than say, a minivan.

I'm not gas-lighting. I'm floodlighting. I'm shining a light on the absolute stupidity of this idea.

DonKeyhote ago

I have to explain why tunnels are less conspicuous than unloading a dozen kids from a van? Fuck off.

Edit: gaslighting to me is exactly what you're doing, trying to make secret tunnels or passages sound outlandish when theyre actually common in old cities.

RweSure ago

Edit: gaslighting to me is exactly what you're doing, trying to make secret tunnels or passages sound outlandish when theyre actually common in old cities.

If you think I'm trying to make **the existence **of historical tunnels seem outlandish, you completely missed my point. In fact, this seems like an attempt at moving the goalposts.

My point is the stupidity of needing to use tunnels for this conspiracy. You claim it would make them less conspicuous? The same thing could be achieved by using a garage. Why the need to make these completely unsupported and fantastical claims when you get the same effect in a much, much simpler way. Instead of having to buy properties near some historical tunnel and then locating the entrances to said tunnels, you just drive into a house/business. How about you get a minvan or SUV, tint the windows and use a garage to unload without people seeing.

And for the specific tunnel I mentioned in Brooklyn, you would be very conspicuous with your ladder, crowbar and traffic cones around an open manhole.

Tunnels just came up because there is zero evidence of the principals ever being seen moving children around. It's magical thinking to explain a lack of evidence. But it's a completely compelling idea to the paranoid mind. It just shows how big and sophisticated this whole operation is!!!!

DonKeyhote ago

Youre an idiot. Tunnels leading directly into a place is 100% foolproof whereas every single time your conspicuous tinted rape van enters somewhere you risk exposure even if by fucking lightning strike. Youd have to be a fool to NOT USE EXISTING LONG FORGOTTEN TUNNEL SYSTEMS AND OPEN EASY FRONTS THAT ANYONE COULD OPERATE LIKE PIZZA COFFE AND DONUTS OVER THEM YOU TROLL BASTARD

RweSure ago

Youre an idiot. Tunnels leading directly into a place is 100% foolproof

LOL. No. They are in no way 100% foolproof. I love how you contrast 100% foolproof with this

every single time your conspicuous tinted rape van enters somewhere you risk exposure even if by fucking lightning strike

So just to be clear tunnels, 100% foolproof in all cases, every time no matter what. But my scenario needs to account for incredibly rare events like a lightning strike. (Given that most lightning strikes in urban areas hit buildings harmlessly, I'm not sure how this causes exposure, anyway.)

This is DonKeyhole's logic folks. But wait it gets better. Remember even among weak evidence that constitutes pizzagate, there is ZERO support for use of tunnels. Zero. Zero. Zero. Point. Zero. This is just made up fantasy to explain a lack of evidence, but somehow in his mind, it's transformed into the most obvious thing in the world.

You'd have to be a fool to NOT USE EXISTING LONG FORGOTTEN TUNNEL SYSTEMS AND OPEN EASY FRONTS THAT ANYONE COULD OPERATE LIKE PIZZA COFFE AND DONUTS OVER THEM

Apparently this is what you need to do. It's SO OBVIOUS! Of course there exists in the history of American crime, not a single criminal conspiracy of any kind where pizza, coffee and doughnut shops were opened as fronts over existing tunnel systems.

This is called believing your own bullshit people.

DonKeyhote ago

Yes secret tunnels are fool proof unless infiltrated, which wont happen if shills like yourself make it sound crazy, so drop the act bitch we know you're getting $8 an hour if youre lucky servicing them with your fingers, and also shitposting.

RweSure ago

Actually, I'm working right now and watching the NBA Finals at the same time.

I'm working a requirements deck for a 4.3 million dollar project. So I'm doing a bit better than $8 an hour.

DonKeyhote ago

IS THAT A FACT

well I'm glabbeting a shiffletwat for your CUNT MOTHER YOU TROLL. You can't even understand what "logic" means or my point that even acts of God are unnecessarily risky compared to tunnels, which even withstand earthquakes, so actually there's literally no safer or inconspicuous place than a tunnel, so therefore I wouldn't trust you to design a lemonade stand.