ListenUp ago

You're obviously a Hoaxtead troll and I don't give a shit what you think about my credibility.

ListenUp ago

Yawn

Oh look, another pedo troll...

ListenUp ago

Actually, it would be better to see "Hoaxtead Research" where Ricky Dearman and his fellow cult members dwell, they know much more about Angela Power Disney than anyone, she works for them. Also see 'Mc kenzie's Devils' Youtube channel, her promoters. She also runs her own websites. 'Angelas Caches' and now 'Hoaxtead Satanists Exposed'. Angela, like Hoaxtead Research all say basically the same thing, the Hampstead children lied in their testimonies.

AngB23 ago

Wasn't sure if anyone is reading here anymore but needed to info dump somewhere so chose here. Remember when Trump got chastised for talking to Taiwan? There could be a connection with Clintons and Tawain long before that

http://articles.latimes.com/1996-10-30/news/mn-59335_1_white-house

Clintons offshore accounts in many countries http://www.wnd.com/2016/09/hsbc-case-blows-lid-on-clintons-offshore-empire/

https://www.icij.org/offshore/how-nominee-trick-done

AngB23 ago

Noticed my links below for some reason don't tie into the search/broken link. So going thru these again. Does anyone know if the Clintons have strong ties to Taiwan? Strange question but see WJC Panama papers https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/nodes/43015

Another https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/nodes/146617

Margaret Yang https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/nodes/294037

Then saw this old blog that caught my attention. It states "Drug trafficking? Transfer of sensitive technology? Trafficking in women? These are certainly areas in which the Clinton administration has expertise." Lots of names to maybe research as well. http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Government&Politics/+Doc-Government&Politics-PoliticalCorruption/Clinton%27sStunninglyCriminalAdministration.htm

ListenUp ago

A few links I want to share. Aaron's Google+ page has plenty of interesting items. Archived in its' entirety here http://archive.is/FQtgz

Here's just a few .....

  1. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/PgLFKfW5SmR archived at http://archive.is/naT6W
  2. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/VUujBa2gALV archived at http://archive.is/6Lhw6
  3. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/hHSwkVcekPZ archived at http://archive.is/MNSYr
  4. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/1hzGrkPWYHQ archived at http://archive.is/PJRgH
  5. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/SNt5GhYVQA6 archived at http://archive.is/dI4wE
  6. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/beFXh2gAz1o archived at http://archive.is/URRUS
  7. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/P6tcD5L9SkN archived at http://archive.is/5gIyI
  8. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/aAKZMiqtUub archived at http://archive.is/5xF9Y
  9. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/G9woJAGsjPp archived at http://archive.is/WAVVI
  10. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/apghRHbdTV5 archived at http://archive.is/4heWm
  11. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/W9XkYanKdz4 archived at http://archive.is/BYyh9
  12. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/WYReQLcFjzW archived at http://archive.is/4LhEP
  13. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/cAbTisnWJSt archived at http://archive.is/geyMs
  14. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/WLvUWxkpwP9 archived at http://archive.is/q4Cih
  15. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/gLQps1a2FCG archived at http://archive.is/s8aQz
  16. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/3gN4HTh5pne archived at http://archive.is/MyIz6
  17. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/NqfiMHjucWd archived at http://archive.is/JoX4V
  18. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/2rvLghSqvsy archived at http://archive.is/QWNhW
  19. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/YAvjgE7Y5Nr archived at http://archive.is/7l4jV
  20. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/XMAcJY9mam8 archived at http://archive.is/YUMJn
  21. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/JXtBM2Zg25g archived at http://archive.is/L2e2E
  22. https://plus.google.com/101391507565038698534/posts/7xh2VaBmEpH archived at http://archive.is/BzRsC

ListenUp ago

This article is from The Evening Standard, titled** "'Police hunted me down with 10 cars and a helicopter… and I was just having coffee'** dated 13 Jan. 2014 shared 353 times

"IT consultant could sue after being sectioned in 'Hannibal Lecter' ward"

The article states:

"A former hedge fund boss is considering legal action after being “wrongly sectioned” in a maximum-security psychiatric ward.

Aaron Dover, 39, claims he was detained against his will for 10 days, physically restrained and forcibly injected with sedatives at Highgate Mental Health Centre.

Mr Dover, of Hampstead, was held after his wife became concerned for his well-being and called the NHS 111 out-of-hours number. Authorities feared he might be suicidal and the Metropolitan Police launched a helicopter search. He was having a coffee nearby.

He admitted being under pressure due to an employment dispute and said he had at times suffered from depression, but claimed the response was completely over the top: “I was brought into hospital by a manhunt of more than 10 police cars, police with dogs trawling Hampstead Heath, and a police helicopter, while I was out quietly having a coffee on Flask Walk.

“I was hunted down like a nuclear suicide bomber rather than someone out for Sunday breakfast.

“I was held against my will with patients who were terrifying. Some of them were quite aggressive and there were frequent fights. It’s basically the Hannibal Lecter ward of Highgate.

“I wanted to leave every second of every minute. I never wanted to set foot in that place and the whole thing was just an atrociously awful nightmare.”

After being detained last September, the IT consultant was taken to Highgate Mental Health Centre, where doctors suspected he had a delusional disorder. He was later sectioned.

He admits he was under intense stress but believes his sectioning was based on hearsay and not enough was done to verify his account of events.

On October 2, following a five-hour hearing, a tribunal found that it was “not satisfied that he was suffering from a mental disorder”. Mr Dover was freed immediately with no further treatment required.

He is considering legal action against Camden and Islington NHS foundation trust over unlawful detention, medical negligence and personal injury. Solicitor José Grayson of D H Law, who represented Mr Dover at the tribunal, said: “The hospital had simply failed to properly investigate what Aaron was saying. It is now some months since his discharge. If they were right about the fact that he had a serious psychotic illness then he would be back in hospital.”

A spokesman for Highgate Mental Health Centre, which is run by Camden and Islington Trust, said: “The tribunal makes a decision on whether further detention is warranted based on the assessment to date, and their own interviews.

“The decision that no further detention is needed does not make the original detention for assessment wrong or illegal.”

AngB23 ago

Thank you! Lots to go over

AngB23 ago

Has anyone searched any related links into Panama Papers with what Aaron was talking about?

https://panamapapers.icij.org/

LMR- Panama Papers https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/search?utf8=✓&q=LMR&c=&j=&e=&commit=Search

Sussman-Panama Papers https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/search?utf8=✓&q=Sussman&e=&commit=Search

CGI-Panama Papers https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/search?utf8=✓&q=CGI&e=&commit=Search

Shane Cullinane-Panama Papers https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/search?utf8=✓&q=Shane+Cullinane&e=&commit=Search

Master LL Quant Dual- Panama Papers https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/search?utf8=✓&q=Master+LL+Quant+Dual&e=&commit=Search

UBS Bank- Panama Papers https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/search?utf8=✓&q=UBS+bank&e=&commit=Search

Narcissism ago

He made a humorous video about 9/11 things like showing a mushroom cloud turning in to a clown - indicating that it was a Nuclear Event and that the art students were just a clown show.

Piscina ago

Did anyone investigate his claims of Crown money laundering in the financial markets with hedge funds? He was also revealing stuff about the Clintons? Is he another one of their victims?

unkyshaun ago

Man i am so inspired by you and the replies above and below. All my immediate family are dead apart from my parents. When it's only me left, i will be a man with nothing left to lose. Mark my words i will take as many of these subhumans down as i can, and will happily give my life for this cause.

fartyshorts ago

You have us. :)

Judgejewdy ago

From his statement : "Master LL Quant Dual is the name of a UBS client which shared the same postal address as LMR’s office but had a different and unusual name. I discovered trade contracts in the name of Master LL Quant Dual, counterparty UBS bank, in the scans folder of the shared drive, signed by Shane Cullinane. Therefore the claim that Shane Cullinane was not familiar with this entity is clearly a deliberate false statement. I strongly suspect that these contracts are not legitimate trades but may be US dollar payments disguised as trades in exotic currency derivatives, specifically “Non Deliverable Forward” contracts. The existence of all the trading in these instruments was kept secret from me during my time at the firm and these contracts contributed to our profits whilst not being factored into the risk and positions. I know this absolutely for certain as I wrote the bespoke system (referred to elsewhere in the proceedings as Risk Ninja) that calculated all of these. For these trades to exist in secret from me was a strong indication that they were not legitimate. When I investigated the contractual terms and how the market operated in great detail, I became quite convinced that these signed scans were evidence of money laundering on a large scale. There were dozens of these trade contracts in the scans folder with the contracts signed by Shane Cullinane; some on behalf of Master LL Quant Dual and others on behalf of LMR. 160. I was asked to represent a list of the currencies associated with these trades as US dollar in our bespoke system formerly known as Risk Ninja. The system calculated P&L, positions and risk at a position level and across trading books. I can say with total certainty that the currency positions created by the trades in Non Deliverable Forward contributed to the profits, but were not accounted for in positions (they showed up as USD cash) or in the risk, where they were also treated as USD cash. At the time I was told that the repeated appearance of obscure currency positions, for example in Korean Won, was due to a bug in the upstream Sophis system and that actually these should be shown as being US dollars. I do not mean that a currency conversion took place at a conversion rate between the two currencies; I mean that a position of 1 million KRW from the upstream system would be treated as 1 million USD by Risk Ninja. To users of the system they would never see these positions except as USD cash. This was the case for all the currencies that were being traded in these contracts, but the existence of this trading was kept entirely secret from me. I do not believe that the trades that I have seen would make sense in the strategies that they were being booked in, and it is impossible that any legitimate trading should have been kept secret from me given that my bespoke system needed to model all our positions in all instrument types."

AngB23 ago

This is big. Is there anything in the docs that actually call out CGI, HRC?

ListenUp ago

It appears Aaron's Vimeo channel had been taken down June of 2016, then his Youtube channel deleted in Dec. 2016.

His blog http://www.thezionion.com/

pbvrocks ago

From his past post he was exposing money laundering by the crown=the queen...if his mother worked for Tavistock...he was more than likely an MKUltra survivor...sad that he died...

ListenUp ago

Aaron said this about his mother on Google+ http://archive.is/q4Cih

AngB23 ago

This guy was put thru the ringer. (BTW! Tried to post this here 3 times and it was like this thread was locked up) http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/police-hunted-me-down-with-10-cars-and-a-helicopter-and-i-was-just-having-coffee-9055837.html

Also, he got a lot of crap here when he was trying to speak out. It does seem weird he was part of Hampstead, flat earth AND connections with Clinton Foundation. But he did submit a witness statement. Anyone know of any validity to it? http://www.thezionion.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/AaronWitness-StatementFinal.pdf

ListenUp ago

From the post Aaron wrote 4 months ago here, there was a really great comment and seemed to be able to validate much of his witness statement. I'll copy&paste it here....

"cityoflondonhelp 2 points (+2|-0) 4 months ago

Ok guys, admittedly the link to pizzagate is yet to be properly established here but before you lynch the dude you should know a few things..

firstly, Aaron George Maurice Dover is shown on the FCA's Register as being a former partner of LMR Partners from january to december of 2011. this can be verified directly on the FCA's register here: https://register.fca.org.uk/ShPo_individualdetailsPage?id=003b000000LVpmnAAD (click on the "HISTORY" tab to reveal his previously held controlled functions.

The FCA, for the Americans among us, is the UK's official financial services regulator. All financial firms looking to undertake the provision of financial services need to be authorised by the FCA (Formerly the FSA). Individuals, and more specifically senior management individuals are separately and personally registered as well depending on the type of position and responsibilities held at the firm.

From the FCA register it is clear that he was formerly a Partner (CF4 - Controlled Function 4-Partner) for LMR Partners which is still registered, their FCA registration page can be found here: https://register.fca.org.uk/ShPo_FirmDetailsPage?id=001b000000MfrUVAAZ

At first glance, the names mentioned in his witness statement match up to the names of the current registered principles of LMR Partners. All of which can be found on the LMR registration page by scrolling down and expanding on the tab that says "INDIVIDUALS" - this will expand the list of controlled function holders currently holding positions at the firm and are currently active. If you click on an individual you will see his specific controlled function as well as his employment history at other firms holding controlled functions. You will note once you've done this that the principles mainly come from UBS, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs amongst others presumably.. i haven't checked them all.

So, to be clear, one Aaron George Maurice Dover definitely worked for LMR Partners in 2011 as a Partner of the firm which absolutely still exists and is doing business headed by senior management names consistent with the names mentioned in OP's referenced witness statement.

Whether OP is indeed the actual Aaron Dover, and whether the referenced witness statement is in fact a copy of the original court documents is another matter I will refrain from opining on here.

Notwithstanding the above, the link to the pizzagate investigation remains to be determined (I have not read the entire witness statement, but intend to), however I will say that I am most certainly interested in this case and would like to learn more and help if I can.

Pursuant to this offer, all i'm prepared to say here is that I am a city worker myself Aaron, and previously worked at the FCA whilst under their previous incarnation, the Financial Services Authority (FSA). Whilst there I learned things about how the world of finance works (and indeed the role of 'regulators') that I wish I'd never come to know but that happen to resonate somewhat with what you are alleging your former employer was/is engaged in. And if that weren't enough, since leaving the FSA I've been at institutional sell side ibanks trying to keep their business practices legal and (somewhat) compliant.

(and before you all call for my lynching you should know I am not in the front office and am not responsible for perpetuating any financial wizardry past or present. but I certainly know a lot about how its done...)

Aaron, get in touch."

I wrote to this commenter and asked if Aaron had indeed contacted them. No response yet, but he/she doesn't seem to be a very active user.

rodeo13 ago

I feel exactly the same way. And if they do come for me, I intend to take a few of them with me.

abcdefg222 ago

Does anyone have a link to his witness statement that was linked to YouTube in his post 4 months ago???? Or can someone post a safe link to the witness statement document?

Judgejewdy ago

It's in the archived post. I opened it no problem. Very good info, especially at the back.

DarkMath ago

If he posted videos in support of the flat earth theory then he wasn't murdered. The flat earth bull shit is CIA disinfo to discredit "conspiracy theorists". Their top two disinfo hoaxes are:

1) Moon landing was fake.

2) The Earth is flat.

Godwillwin ago

The CIA may have convinced him OR the Earth really may be flat. I don't care one way or another. I care about these kids and all of the investigators and truthers they keep killing off

DarkMath ago

"I don't care one way or another."

Well it's time to start caring. The flat earth conspiracy is one of the ways the Deep State discredits conspiracy theorists. They even invented the term. They rely on useful idiots like you not caring and they can keep their Military-Industrial Complex running. You may have seen their handy work tonight in Syria.

Godwillwin ago

And I'm not an idiot. nor am I useful to the deep state. I see through their lies and am spreading the truth as best as I can. The kids matter more to me than if they're other lies so that's what I'm focusing on

Godwillwin ago

I didn't mean it that way. I meant I'm more concerned about these kids. I'll worry about flat earth later

AngB23 ago

I think he posted a lot of vids on the Hampstead Case. He was a student at that satanic school. I wish I knew about him prior bcuz I think YT took down his vids.

ListenUp ago

He posted a lot of videos related to Hampstead, indeed. He lost his Youtube channel late Dec. 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-zRtm9GT_g

AngB23 ago

This is bullshit censoring from YT. He mentioned he was going to upload some in vidme? Did he?

ListenUp ago

He uploaded 166 videos to Vidme, found here https://vid.me/AaronDover

AngB23 ago

He was being censored BIG time. We need to keep digging on his witness statement. Doesn't Anyone understand how hedge funds work/what he was trying to say??? That vid link is gone https://imgur.com/a/4O214

ListenUp ago

It worked for me when I clicked on it. Even if you google Aaron Dover Vidme it will be the first return and is still available. Though all 166 videos are flat earth theory related. All of the videos had been re-uploaded back in Dec. thru Feb. it looks like. Going through his Google+ account yesterday there were many posts about his channels/profiles being taken down or suspended often. He was heavily monitored/censored, though admittedly he also issued MANY death threats so I'm not sure if that was the reason he was losing his profiles or the actual content itself.

FuckReddit69 ago

1) They WERE faked. We didn't travel 250K miles in a tin can with 60's tech, land without so much as a scratch, chill on the moon like shit's gravy, relaunch off the moon's atmosphere, travel another 250K miles through a chaotic vacuum and re enter Earth's atmosphere- All on the first try. There are so many problems with this i don't know where to start. Fuel, distance, technology, van Allen radiation belt, and pressure systems just to name a few.

2) Yes it is.

UnicornsAndSparkles ago

One thing I can't get my head around to convince me of flat earth is that things natural form into spherical shapes. How would the earth become flat?

DarkMath ago

And right on cue FuckReddit69 shows up. Grasshoper "chill on the moon like shit's gravy" isn't proof. And neither is "Yes it is.".

You're either a shill or a useful idiot. Which is it?

MyNameIsLuka ago

Believing in an alternative earth theory doesn't mean you are crazy. Think about it. We are essentially trying to prove an alternative dark deep state that is using children to rule the planet. When we prove that, we have to question every freaking thing that we've been programmed to believe.

Science is truly no different than organized religion on the basic level. It requires faith in theories that you simply can't prove on your own. It requires tithing and it shames and ostracizes anyone that questions it's validity. It's strange to me that anyone committed to uncovering Pizzagate has trouble with the possibility that we've been lied to about our very existence and the actual nature of ground we are standing on.

DarkMath ago

"Believing in an alternative earth theory doesn't mean you are crazy."

You too? Sweet Jesus.........sigh

FuckReddit69 ago

Neither, im a genuine truth seeker. I call a spade a spade.

"A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" Documentary. Has dozens of proofs explaining in detail why it was and still is impossible to go to the moon. But of course you will dismiss them all because you can't suspend your cognitive dissonance even for the duration of the film. Or maybe because you have the attention span of a fruit fly? Who knows who cares. Try your hardest to watch it could help you understand some basic scientific principles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xciCJfbTvE4

DarkMath ago

Don't waste my time dipshit.

FuckReddit69 ago

LoL. Point proven. Nice counter argument. Can't top that.

PizzagateBot ago

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redditsuckz ago

Aaron was a student at the same Christchurch primary school in Hampstead, London that Ella Gareeva's children attended and testified about having been complicit in their abuse. Aaron's mother, Jenny Dover, worked at the school as well as the Tavistock Centre in Hampstead apparently.

Wow...

(((Aaron Dover))), (((Jenny Dover)))

http://i.imgur.com/of62m9h.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/aaron.dover.52/posts/10153002118690575?pnref=story

http://archive.is/5X1vj

The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves - (((Vladimir Lenin)))

Example;

Jewish Billionaire George Soros Funds Groups That Support Boycotts Of Israel

http://www.bnaibrith.ca/jewish_billionaire_george_soros_funds_groups_that_support_boycotts_of_israel

This proves Jews are behind Tavistock and the Hampstead abuse.

And that this thread was a Jew honeypot;

I need to get in touch with researchers who can use my information. Please can you get in touch if you want to discuss this info.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1454867

Jem777 ago

@reddittsuckz You are right over the mark. The alleged "Jews" like Soros & Rothschild pour money into groups to boycott Israel but are linked to Satanic Ritual Abuse in Hampstead & Tav. Seems like they are fake "Jews" after all.

Believe DNA proved that in 2013. Hate for that to get out.

Omnicopy ago

It says all these videos are unavailable

areyousureaboutit ago

no shit. (((who))) do you think is behind it?

pizzaequalspedo ago

Yep, I'm pretty sure God reserves a spot in heaven for those speaking out against SRA and child rape.

thatguyiam ago

These atheist pedophiles don't care about heaven and hell. He'll must be made for them here on earth.

Jem777 ago

Don't get distracted by flat earth.. It does not matter if it is flat or round if PedoSatanists rule it. That is the point and who Dover was. He outed The truth of the Hampstead case and his involvement. The fraud of the Crown & the Clinton Foundation.

The most important part is where his mother worked and what is really going on there.

thatguyiam ago

If there is information on criminal cartels and the authorities do not follow leads, the authorities side with the cartels and the people are not protected. At that point any taxation of the ppl becomes THEFT

ListenUp ago

I agree, it does not matter what shape planet children are being ritually abused on, it's the ritually abused part I have a problem with...

ASolo ago

Wow, and more wow. Just... wow. I'm wondering if the Pizzagate and Hampstead community realize how unbelievably important this event is? 42 years old? There has to be foul play involved in this one.

Handkerchief Email Revisited: The Sandler's, Saturday Night Live, and Chabad LubavitchTitle Here

Donald Sussman, another big Clinton Foundation donor, who resides in the secluded and uber elite islands off the coast of Maine with worldwide personalities that have had a wide array of influence over the panopticon of international economics and politics like Prescott Bush, The Dupont's and IBM's Watson. His art tastes are as big as his wallet, I wonder how interested he is in the styles of art like those of James Alefantis, Tony and John Podesta? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Sussman

Jem777 ago

I hope they realize. This is huge. He was taken out.

SwampAintDrained ago

flat earth??? wtf.

ASolo ago

You have to remember as an abused child himself he was more than likely prone to impulsivity and irrational decision making.

Long_Knife ago

he was more than likely prone to impulsivity and irrational decision making.

If that's true he may not be the best source of info then.

acme2011 ago

This is digressing from this dom. Believe it or not. But do research it. Now that you know for a fact that you cannot trust any government agencies. Including all the space ones. For those choosing the knee jerk attack route on Flat earth dismissing them as shills, here is my response:

Rather than distracting ad-hominem attacks, I prefer going the debunking route. So far I'm falling short. Now let's clear up the main claim of serious flat earthers: The earth is not a spinning ball. That's it.

There is no claim that there is a dome, or that they understand how moon phases work, or that there is an edge, or that they understand why things that go up fall down. They just choose to go ahead with Archimedes' explanation. After all gravity as we know it in Newtonian mechanics applied to phenomena on earth is just a proportionality constant that is equally explained by relative density/buoyancy.

Now, just go and see UN map logo. It is the standard Gleason flat map. You dont need the earth to be a globe to circumnavigate. Just follow the compass that always keeps pointing to the magnetic center of the flat earth map (which is the north pole) and 'you will go around in circles'. You dont fall of the edge because the claim is that Antarctica is an ice wall surrounding the earth.

Let's look at some main observations that seriously need to be answered by people choosing to attack Flat earth:

1) The earth is a globe: This statement implies that curvature should be detected by people on earth. How do you explain the multiple observations of people seeing skylines and islands greater than 40 miles away using zoom lenses when earth curvature dictates that it should have disappeared below the horizon? What about high altitude balloon footage without fish eye lenses that show an absolute flat horizon? Or how about this guy who shone a laser past on a frozen lake and detected zero deviation in height of the laser point 7 miles away? https://youtu.be/bwCRej0BoA4 Or the fact that you get perfectly symmetric star reflections on the Bolivia salt plains which is impossible by a convex mirror that has radius of curvature of the earth - https://www.flickr.com/photos/57801101@N06/14230111243/

2) The earth is spinning: Aircrafts use directional gyros to determine their heading. In short, mechanical gyros tend to hold their orientation in space independent of earth position, gravity etc. Therefore if the base of the gyro mount is rotated, the reading should indicate how much rotation has occured. In this video, the person used a commercial directional gyro used by aircrafts and placed it on flat table in a location in the northern hemisphere (53 deg latitude) and waited for a sufficient period of time to see if the earth rotation was registered. He basically did not observe anything. This means that the base of the gyro does not rotate. Which logically implies that the table did not rotate along with the earth. How is that possible? Video:https://youtu.be/nUFMZkxochs?t=1h29m11s If you allude to Foucault's pendulum experiment to prove earth's rotation, please note: In the 1850s repetitions of foucault's experiment were made noting the various inconsistencies with the experiment: https://maths.ucd.ie/~plynch/Publications/PRIAC.pdf

So any flat earth debunking article must adequately explain these anamolies. Rather than the usual Bill Nye or Neil DeGrasse Tyson videos. It goes without question that flat earthers do not trust any space agency. So prove them wrong using terrestrial experiments. Stop linking to 'science' accessible by only a few people.

FuckReddit69 ago

Bingo. Nailed it. And that's just the tip of the ice berg.

1) NASA is the space propaganda arm for the military industrial complex, created mostly to militarize "space", scam the American taxpayer out of billions and wage war on your mind using Scientism and pseudoscience.

2) How can a positive pressure system (Earth's atmosphere) exist adjacent to a negative pressure system (space) without a physical barrier? It can't, in physics when opposite pressure systems converge and homogenize, we call this process equilibrium. In real testable, repeatable experiments this is impossible without a physical barrier to contain/separate opposing pressure systems. Think air duster.

3) In the thousands of years of recorded celestial navigation, why hasn't a single star changed positions (minus planets aka wandering stars) if we are traveling at incredible speeds in multiple contradictory directions? Not even the ones closest to us deviated at all. Ancient star navigation and the use of the most accurate ancient navigational tool known as the astrolabe would have been impossible if we are traveling though space.

4) Stars and planets are nothing more than lights in the sky- can be seen with a household camera pulsating in multiple colors. Planets are not this terra-firma object that can be landed on with a space ship- as they would have you believe.

5) Both Airy's Failure and the Michelson-Morley experiment prove Earth is not moving through space. Later, George Sagnac's experiment further reinforces this notion and throws the Theory of Relativity out the window. Universities don't teach about these experiments in their curriculum. some Physicists in the field whom have worked over 25 years have never even heard about these experiments. That should speak volumes in and of itself.

6) Ancient Mayan, Egyptian and Hebrew cosmogony depict an immovable Flat Earth under a Dome(firmament). Not to mention the Bible, Torah and Quran all contain excerpts that can be interpreted as such. Sumerian, Babylonian, Vedic and Chinese cosmogony depict similar notions.

7) No measurable curvature can be detected no matter how high in altitude you ascend.

8) Gyros prove airPLANES travel over a plane, not a sphere.

9) Common sense tells us we are not hurtling through space at incredible speeds in multiple contradictory directions in a violent chaotic vacuum- All while butterflies birds and bees are immune to such phenomena. Gravity is nothing more than density and buoyancy. Think helium balloons.

Like PG, this redpill is a big one for most to swallow. Give it time.

acme2011 ago

Exactly! And that Einstein was precisely called upon to bamboozle people with GR to account for failure of the Michelson Morley expt. They are all manipulative scumbags.

FuckReddit69 ago

Yup. Freemason Einstein was the equivalent of Hawkings today. Both complete frauds. All theory, no proof.

Even Tesla dismissed his theories along with dozens of prominent scientists at the time.

acme2011 ago

Nikola Tesla once said: "Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality."

AngB23 ago

I have studied and believe many "conspiracy theories" as fact for many years but this is one I stayed clear of bcuz it just seemed so bizarre and out there. I guess bcuz I don't understand fully why/motives they would lie about a round earth versus flat.

Can you explain a little more or point out a good vid to watch that is kind of dummied down one in layman terms? Science isn't my strong suit so it would go over my head if it was like a Stephen Hawkins type talking as to why this true and why would they lie about this.

Godwillwin ago

I too have ignored it. Personally, I don't care what shape it is. It's not the same sort of lie as lies like 9/11 was a terrorist attack and the lie missing kids are simply missing. These types of lies cause harm.

Maybe the earth thing is causing some harm in not aware of, but I doubt it. More likely it's preventing us deplorables from advancing somehow.

acme2011 ago

I would say watch this: https://youtu.be/pGl8I3l-5ac

AngB23 ago

Thank you very much. Will do

SwampAintDrained ago

I'm seeing an awful lot of flat earth garbage being spouted around here, maybe it is organic coincidence but also there is the possibility that this is being done with the intent to discredit pizzagate by association.

Pizzagate is real, the evidence is overwhelming, but if I hand out the web address for /v/pizzagate in an attempt to spread awareness and they come here and see flat earth nonsense being discussed, THEY WILL TUNE OUT PIZZAGATE. That is how controlled opposition works, it is highly effective! We need to keep these topics separate, people are free to believe what they want but pizzagate is real and we need people to see that, flat earthers would certainly harm the perception of Pizzagate by association, this fact is as undeniable as it is troubling.

As for why this linked flat earth video is BS:

After listening to the segment on gravity, it is clear the narrator has no idea what he is talking about. He says we didn't need theory of gravity to explain things, it was already adequately explained by varying densities just happening to move objects around. If that were true, why can we put an object in a vacuum chamber and still have it fall? Fail logic. He then says if gravity is real then people should be orbiting the planet instead of stuck to it, completely ignoring the concept of orbital velocity (ie the velocity you must reach to sustain an orbit by using your momentum to counteract gravitational forces). He also says all the planets should be sucked into the sun, which is wrong for the same reason.

Here is a video from a film expert on why we are more likely to have gone to the moon than faked it.

As you are someone who is admittedly not great at science, I'd recommend you steer clear of this topic lest you get sucked into it without adequate merit. My next point is even more important.

UndEr_DistrEss ago

Upvoat for such a great, spot-on fucking comment! About 2 years ago I laughed at the flat earth concept so I started looking into it and I couldn't really believe what I was seeing. I took a few semesters of astronomy in my early college days and as interesting as it all was, the numbers just never made any fucking sense!! My professor wasn't to pleased with questioning "scientific facts" either...typical. I believe Antarctica is the key to this particular puzzle. It's also the only continent that is prohibited from being explored without gov. approval and has a treaty signed by all other countries that noone can extract the resources for financial gains. Go check it out on Google Earth and look at all the areas that have been removed/erased or replaced by a previous years picture. There is some serious fuckery going on down there and big industrial countries such as US, Russia, China, and a few other have enormous military bases down there. It all raises red flags and unending questions.

hamans_revenge ago

Erm. Stars do change positions. If you look at your favorite constellation in the spring and then again in the fall, it will be in a different part of the sky.

You can also see the curvature of the earth from a plane. Next time you take a flight just look at the horizon.

Appeal to tradition isn't really proof of anything. Just because ancient documents said something doesn't mean it can't later be disproven.

FuckReddit69 ago

1) Stars do not change positions in their 24 hour cycles. They "rotate" around the earth in cycles but always return to their original positions- minus planets that do change positions but follow their own unique cycles.

2) You cannot see curvature from any commercial aircraft that cruise at a max altitude of 30K feet. You cannot even see curvature from an altitude of 121K feet (see video below). Whatever curvature you think you see is either through the curved windows (built this way for aerodynamics) or because your mind tells you there's curvature because you "know" there is.

3) My point wasn't to appeal to tradition, rather to show patterns and coincidences that are anything but. Ancients weren't as dumb as you think, these people were highly advanced in their knowledge of astronomy and math. Remember we can't even replicate building the pyramids with today's tech.

Critical thought is lacking in today's society. But this was by design because we always have some "expert" to tell us how and what to think. Convenient isn't it?

Flat Horizon at 121K feet with a normal non-fish eye lens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQITXbcz2hg

hamans_revenge ago

Why would a star's position change dramatically in 24 hrs? You do realize the sun is out in the daytime right?

acme2011 ago

Here's a mnemonic from calendars of the ancients: Sun was used to determine time of the day, moon time of month and stars time of the year. Pyramids of giza line up perfectly with the orion constellation. Coincidence after 3000 years? Given that the solar system is zooming at incredible speeds? Explain why you can observe polaris to be stationary during star time lapse images at latitudes other than the north pole? AFter all, we are told that polaris is on the earth rotation axis. So how can it be that it does not move with respect to points NOT on the earth rotation axis?

Remember, we got to think critically here. We should be questioning EVERYTHING and take NOTHING for granted.

hamans_revenge ago

Orion moves in the sky. The pyramids of Giza are a terrestrial map of the shape of Orion, with the angles and ratios correct. But no, they are not directly under Orion at all times.

I don't really know what you're referencing with polaris.

acme2011 ago

Made this to clarify the Polaris contradiction: http://imgur.com/a/2Hsec

What would your explanation be?

FuckReddit69 ago

I'm done making my point. Go read some stuff.

hamans_revenge ago

Well, gratz, you didn't convince me at all.

FuckReddit69 ago

I could care less about convincing you, my job isnt to sit here all day and convince people of their apathetic ignorance. However, i don't mind planting a seed in some minds if it means waking people up. I did my part, now do yours.

Jem777 ago

Read his post from four months ago. He was not only exposing Satanic Ritual Abuse at Christchurch in Hampstead. This involved the intelligence agencies MK Ultra training. Also exposed the money laundering scheme that would take down the Clinton Foundation but also The Crown- which is the Royal Family.

pby1000 ago

Sometimes the City of London is referred to as The Crown. This is the Rothschilds. The City of London is a sovereign nation, like the Vatican and Washington DC.

Votescam ago

This involved the intelligence agencies MK Ultra training.

The CIA has poisoned not only our own government but governments internationally.

I've seen a number of references now to UK's CIA/MKULTRA.

Thank you - I wasn't familiar with this individual and will try to catch up.

acme2011 ago

What a powerful youtube channel. Thanks for sharing. RIP Aaron! The truth can never be silenced.

Jem777 ago

David Shurter the author of Down the Rabbit Hole... the story of Satanic Ritual Abuse....just posted a YouTube video about his death.

wgvdl ago

I remember warning him. I feel a little sick right now. Have to take a break.

Godwillwin ago

I'm just returning from a short break. Find some peace and continue the fight when you can. I found yard work - planting weeding etc to be therapeutic as well as spring shopping ;)

unkyshaun ago

It's gutting to see another truth warrior be slain. A real kick in the guts. Grieve, reset and use it to steel your resolve. As a movement of good people we must not let good souls die in vain. I share your pain. In my reasearch i have witnessed things that have knocked me on my arse, and i consider myself fairly strong mentally. I took a break, healed and bounced back. You will too, and i send you healing energy.

The_Roman_Numeral ago

Sad day for truth. He certainly seemed to have incriminating evidence. This is highly suspect and definitely raises a red flag for me. Would be interested to know his cause of death. Thanks for sharing this.

The_Roman_Numeral ago

"Remember, be careful of distractions on this thread! This is about Hampstead, SRA, Pedophiles, The Clinton Foundation, and money laundering! Not about flat Earth theory."***

ListenUp ago

I have not been able to find out cause of death yet, still researching this myself. Definitely raises some red flags.

keyboard12 ago

The_Periodic_Fable 9 points (+9|-0) 4 months ago Are you using your actual name (Aaron Dover)? If so, why?? Is this a death wish?

@the_periodic_fable are you a prophet?

The_Periodic_Fable ago

Not a prophet. Just thought it was strange. RIP Aaron. Now that you are up in heaven please ask god to obliterate these pedo scum.

ListenUp ago

Hmmm, interesting. Aaron was adamant about using his real name. Many comments like this can be found on his youtube channel in comments. Still....