Mike Cernovich on the Alex Jones show. He says he had to break something big, like the Susan Rice story, in order to be able to break this pedo-ring story. Then he says.:
"There's two layers to this....I actually heard from the source, he told me that pizzagate was a distraction, and it was actually a false flag, a psychological operation run by deep state to get people focusing away from [unclear words] [Alex interrupts]..." https://youtu.be/n0N1K0ghNTI?t=18m22s
[Commentary: Knowingly or unknowingly, are they both being used by the deep state? I'm hearing limited hangout information, nothing new, much of it jumbled, interruptions by Alex to brag, and say stuff like "We're gonna run them over. Can you smell the blood, brother?"
Is the deep state leaking stuff to Cernovich that they want leaked? Who's to say it's not distraction and a psyop to get people focusing away from our pizzagate evidence? If our pizzagate investigation was actually a false flag by the powers-that- be, why did the powers-that-be go to such epic lengths to quiet us? We've NEVER seen them try to silence anything to the extent they've tried to silence us. They don't try to silence Alex Jones - they put him on blast when he denounced us. So who do you trust?]
FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds reveals pedophilia is used to blackmail politicians: https://youtu.be/q1LmN5zVlr8?t=17s
(More about Sibel)
ASolo ago
This is for that 'Hollywood' asshat 391 below and any other of you partisan chumps. Neither 'party' Trump/Clinton are to be trusted, but yet you whip up fervor for one or the other when THEY'RE BOTH OUT TO KILL US ALL.
I disagree, Roger Stone, and Alex Jones love affair with Trump is not innocent and not a coincidence.
Roy Cohn was reportedly "a Meyer Lansky organized crime syndicate operative who served on the Permindex board, which is believed to have been Mossad's key operating front in the conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy."
The Plaza Hotel is the site of room 233, 'where Roy Cohn held child abuse orgies in order to blackmail elites.'
Trump bought the Plaza Hotel in 1988.
Cohn is believed to have been involved in the Franklin scandal - a child-sex ring that reached the Reagan White House. Linking Cohn, to Stone, to Barney Frank, therefore Bonnacci, and Brock, therefore Alefantis and pizzagate. If I can walk you through a connection to pizzagate from Alex Jones to James Alefantis by just a few degrees you know something is huge and you don't know wtf you're talking about.
Cohn aided Roger Stone in Ronald Reagan’s 1970-80 presidential campaign.
TRUMP, MOSSAD, PLAZA HOTEL
http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2016/12/trump-mossad-plaza-hotel.html
ASolo ago
In 1987, "Trump took over Lansky's Mossad/CIA money-laundering front, the Mary Carter Paint Company, then renamed Resorts International, from CIA frontman James Crosby."
ASolo ago
I disagree, Roger Stone, and Alex Jones love affair with Trump is not innocent and not a coincidence.
Roy Cohn was reportedly "a Meyer Lansky organized crime syndicate operative who served on the Permindex board, which is believed to have been Mossad's key operating front in the conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy."
The Plaza Hotel is the site of room 233, 'where Roy Cohn held child abuse orgies in order to blackmail elites.'
Trump bought the Plaza Hotel in 1988.
Cohn is believed to have been involved in the Franklin scandal - a child-sex ring that reached the Reagan White House. Linking Cohn, to Stone, to Barney Frank, therefore Bonnacci, and Brock, therefore Alefantis and pizzagate. If I can walk you through a connection to pizzagate from Alex Jones to James Alefantis by just a few degrees you know something is huge and you don't know wtf you're talking about.
Cohn aided Roger Stone in Ronald Reagan’s 1970-80 presidential campaign.
TRUMP, MOSSAD, PLAZA HOTEL
http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2016/12/trump-mossad-plaza-hotel.html
ASolo ago
I happen to understand what you are trying to say about Jones and his involvement with pizzagate, but the perception I get is all that material is a superficial overlay to what WE are supposed to perceive. There are MANY more layers to the psyop we are not even conscious of yet. Roger Stone. Anyone hearing that name ought to be awash with red flags. This man was an instrumental friend of Trump's mentor and handler Roy Cohn, that fact alone, without even having much background information on Roy Cohn, should send people's attitudes about Roger Stone to the complete other end of the spectrum and throws a HUGE TURD in the cake batter that is Alex Jones, NONE of them should be trusted for ANYTHING ANYMORE.
ASolo ago
Trump's close friend Roger Stone helped George W.Bush in the Florida recount effort.
Trump always promotes the CIA-Mossad version of events.
Trump is no different from George W Bush.
TRUMP AT WAR WITH ASSAD AND PUTIN
http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/
ASolo ago
Either way, and whoEVER is working for whom, this place doesn't take any shit!. I have to hand it to you folks, you are a rough and tumble bunch, and an intelligent crowd at that. I am elated that so many people have come here to contribute to this overwhelming egregore that has enveloped our world. You people question everything and are getting quite adept at recognizing the distraction techniques that have been being used on us in gattling fashion. I have seen that many of you are able to sense the nuances reverberating in those that say they have our best interests. I have seen you shake the conscience of those that say they represent us to the core and have taken them to task for their very own fruits, and I have to say, I am proud of you. It is still yet wholly unproven of whom works for whom among the 'truth movement', but the speculation and questioning is enough to keep alive that spark that continues to hold these people accountable and keep them on their toes just long enough to correct their course or face becoming obsolete. For that I have to say Thank You to this forum.
Keep up the great work everybody!!!
AkhaldanSolo
sentryseven ago
I heard the segment and found it encouraging. Let's see where this goes. They're still protecting the DC pedoring for whatever reason, but this aggressive approach to get the pedos is good for now. The big revelation is how the pedos were stopping Trump's staff from clearance.
Cara_C ago
They're throwing us a bone while protecting the pedophile satanist elitists. They're trying to sell us on, "Most of these guys don't even like children. They just wanted a legal good time and were drugged and compromised by Deep State." Sorry, we've seen the Podesta emails, the Comet Ping Pong Instagram and the thousands of links and other evidence that revealed a circle of people obsessed with pedophilia, pedophile art, child torture, underground bunkers, kill rooms, child coffins, satanism, satanic art, spirit cooking, feces eating, cannibalism, and lots of pizza.
We know our politicians are compromised. We can see it by the insanity of their policies. No doubt some of them were compromised in the way Cernovich describes. However, Pizzagate has revealed that the world is run in large part by extremely wealthy satanic pedophiles who believe in raping, torturing, killing, and eating children - and that's who we want exposed and brought to justice.
dickface8 ago
I don't understand how not one compromised person has ever come out and just let it all out and said "We're all compromised, they've got shit on all of us". And if I was one that was drugged and put in compromising positions and photographed I'd say show the pics, I wouldn't spend the rest of my life living a lie and being a puppet because of it.
juhos ago
Pizzagate is a small corner of pedogate, which we all know is true.
If pizzagate was distraction or a false flag, it must been maybe the most retarded distraction ever. Pizzagate has already moved to the area of pedogate and thanks to pizzagate, there are now 100's thousands new people all over the world learning about pedophilia in the highest levels of societies, cases like Finders, Franklin coverup, Savile, Dutroux Affair, Heath, Hastert, Silsby, human trafficking in general, etc.
So for me it's really hard to buy that false flag claim.
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yourtruthseeker ago
Sibel Edmonds supports Israel and Islamophobia. She is cointelpro.
QuoteUnquoteArt ago
[unclear words]?
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
@V____Z You did your homework & read the doc from Virginia Roberts lawyer, didn't you?
V____Z ago
No, and now i regret it.
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
Here it is:
http://pizzagate.wiki/images/7/72/Response_in_Opposition_to_Motion_to_Intervene_-_by_Mike_Cernovich.pdf
V____Z ago
Thank you Mrs. O. I'm listening to you from now on.
I see it has already been referenced here https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1697715
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
Haha - if only I could hear those words from my kids!!!
V____Z ago
Lol :))
silverstar23 ago
This guy is no good.
Silverlining ago
His ego is awesome. Puts me in mind of Peter Pan. Great energy. Thanks for putting him up.
jstayz44 ago
Guys, we've seen too much to turn our backs on the children because someone labels it a psyop. It's like false flags where the government issues the order to kill people or blow up bridges...someone is still doing something fucked up, and we won't stop beating the drum for truth. Seriously, I've been here for a long time, I've seen amazing work here, and we have ALL seen messed up stuff. No giving up no matter who says what...we know the deal.
Touchdown50 ago
Distraction from what?
Aliens? Antarctica? 911?
Silverlining ago
brains That is pretty much the theory
Tanngrisnir ago
Cernovich's actions to unseal the file on Epstein's accuser tells you everything you need to know.
V____Z ago
This probably needs more exposure here on Voat, many of us are new to Cernovich and don't know the history.
newworldahead ago
Soooo... can we stop backstabbing each other now?
Just remember this: Whenever someone expose and denounce satanic child abuse and paedophilia, this person is fighting the good fight. People, focus!
Some think that Pizzagate/CPP is a distraction? Fine! I don't agree with them neither. But if at the same time these people expose the satanic pedophiles, they are helping the cause.
ababcb ago
There is a photo floating around of Cernovich with Alan Dershowitz which should be a cause for suspicion given Dershowitz' involvement with Epstein.
FICTIONLREALITY ago
Ha you don't seem to have shitferbrains with comments like that!
Stormer-chan ago
Stormer-chan is not surprised in the slightest.
Silverlining ago
Dreadful line. https://youtu.be/n0N1K0ghNTI?t=18m22s
Cernovich seems to think it is all about control [by the deep state]. People are "ruffied" - drugged with rohypnol I assume - and then photographed with naked small children and then compromised - they will do as they are told. He says the problem is Trump's people can't get security clearance unless they are controllable. Quite why they don't just go to the police, say they were drugged and it was a set up, I don't know. Presumably they would lose all their perks, money, celebrity status, etc - be out of the club.
He doesn't seem to mention the satanic ritual abuse, murder, blood drinking etc. More to come on Infowars soon. Why Infowars and not on his own channel?
@ 44:30 AJ says Paul Joseph Watson is going to do a big piece on pizzagate in the next couple of days.
20Justice4All17 ago
Trump is president and he can't get security clearance?
Silverlining ago
Looks like the Deep State and/or Dem holdovers control security clearance.
20Justice4All17 ago
Isn't there something in the constitution about the president getting security clearances? How ridiculous is this? Comey, McCabe, McMaster and Priebus al need to go.
Silverlining ago
I assume it is controlled by law.
V____Z ago
Very interesting.
Silverlining ago
He just thinks blackmail has moved on from infidelity to gay to underage to babes and infants. I think this is just for the low level soldiers. The real players look like they are into the whole satanic torture, rape, murder, eating of flesh and drinking of blood of infants and toddlers. That's how you get into the big boys club!
cakeoflightylight ago
That whole interview was kinda retarded. Pizzagate IS Pedogate, they are trying to divert us away from Alefantis - and Alex Jones, Cernovich, and even his guest Craig Sawyer seem to be suddenly acting on what we all know to be true and have for months. Suddenly, everyone cares, now that we have been told Alefantis is "probably innocent" - it was like they read off of voat from 4 months ago for their "breaking" stories. My friend Evelyn Pringle described the exact method of blackmail as what Cernovich described today a year ago on her show. That was not breaking news.
AugustaJulia ago
What was new was the info about the polygraph operators. At least I hadn't heard it earlier.
equineluvr ago
Craig Sawyer is likely a Knights Templar or Freemason. He has been in media begging for money to "pay his bills" for about a year now.
HollandDrive ago
The diversion from Comet is due to the big names associated, uncovered by the emails.
sunshine702 ago
If Alefantis is 100% innocent I will eat my shoe. Size 9 btw ;) Where there is smoke there is fire.
HollandDrive ago
Where rumors persist, they are usually true.
cakeoflightylight ago
ha, I like you
SayWhatNOWAY ago
Yeah, here we go again! WTF!, yesterday he says he has all the pizzagate info, from his "IT" people. He was going to release it a little at a time. Now, he is with the TraitorTwat Jones and we get these freaking "Russia did it" BS!
This shit right here is the fucking DISTRACTION!
Sentastixc ago
God, what's not to understand? Of course the case pizzagate is real, everyone knows that including alex jones. Thing is, they turned the TERM into a weapon of psychological warfare, exactly as they did with the term 'conspiracy theory'
Alex Jones is all about winning the public opinion. And everybody knows you're not going to win that by keeping on shouting that "pizzagate is so real, really!"
Comon, show a little more intelligence than this, don't be an offended teenager.
socrates79 ago
I am pretty sure this guy V____Z is a shill, he keeps trying to discredit Cernovich and Alex Jones and rooting for the term pizzagate.
dickface8 ago
All 3 of those things you listed are the right things...
LostandFound ago
If vz is a shill he is the worst shill ever.
sunshine702 ago
He's been around here for awhile. Shills tend to come on for a few days calling everyone stupid and a jew. He can have a different opinion and not be a shill.
sunshine702 ago
And for the love of God Alex : It's JEFFERY Epstein not JERRY. You supposedly knew it was a false flag the whole time but can't get an actual convicted pedophile's name correct?!
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
I noticed he did this a while ago. I just can't stand to watch Alex Jones and drama. Does he even mention the step-grandmother offering up her step-granddaughters for entertainment? He was literally in tears when I saw him report on it.
JrSlimss ago
I noticed his whole staff does it. Maybe they think it protects them from defamation claims? I mean - it totally doesn't - but Epstein is also very litigious when it comes to defamation. He's even suing his victims and their attorneys for defamation.
sunshine702 ago
Dershowitz's has been losing his defamation cases recently.
He represented Wynn in this case in CA and NV and lost both times. http://www.businessinsider.com/wynn-loses-libel-suit-against-chanos-2015-3
sunshine702 ago
Hmmm. What back and forth.
1-Were you or were you not sued Alex? Make up your damn mind. 2-Pizzagate is a distraction that the MSM pushed? No it was labled fake news but the Podesta code emails and Alefantis' instagram were never addressed.
3-Yes Mike we know this has to do more with Deep State blackmail than actual kiddy fucking but I am a little worried about the "I was drugged" defense. Yes that may happen but I worry that will be used to try to stem the outrage that is building. yes we know the 6 media corps are comprimised. Yes we know Huma and Weiner are not divorcing for protection - duh.
4-All in all - more back and forth from Alex about how "psyop smart" he's been all along. Then why the apology Alex?
Meah.
redditsuckz ago
It has to with receiving power when they anally rape children...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTKH_W0gv6U
They Vampirize children through their sexual energy and through the physical childs blood they drink.
Who is the Deep State?...
The Deep State = (((The Deep State)))
And this speech was in 1961;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhFRGDyX48c
What is it like now?
V____Z ago
a thousand upvotes for this.
AreWeSure ago
Jones was not responding to a lawsuit. Texas law is you have to notify the person that defamed you are going to sue. If they don't retract in 30 days they are liable for punitive damages. So they were not at the lawsuit stage yet
equineluvr ago
All that was theatrical bullshit on Jones' part, waving that manilla folder around.
But that didn't stop the Jonestards from running around yelling that he had been sued. LOL
dickface8 ago
He's such a transparent buffoon.
sunshine702 ago
Ahh I see!! Finally someone explains it. The apology makes sense now too in that light.
Texan_Pride ago
(((cernovich))) is going to try to end pizzagate, i told the very same OP yesterday. He isnt here to bust pedophiles.
Nana66 ago
Trump Jr praised him on twitter for breaking Susan Rice unmasking story....
AugustaJulia ago
He was the first (or one of the first?) to alert people through his tweets that Podesta emails sounded like code and that the code was likely about pedophilia. I learned about pizzagate through Cernovitch.
V____Z ago
"Yeah but JEWZZZZZZZ"
(eyeroll)
Texan_Pride ago
Exactly.
Texan_Pride ago
i learned about it through breitbart before he died, and he was jewish. They haven't figured out anything nerds on the internet didn't figure out 10 years ago, but they want credit for it. Even if they have to attack their own kind, it doesn't matter as long as they control both sides.
ababcb ago
There's a photo of him with Alan Dershowitz floating around somewhere, which should instantly raise red flags about him.
equineluvr ago
Yeah, he was working on getting those victims' identities released.
cakeoflightylight ago
God I hope not... they are trying to control the narrative right now and take credit for busting people they aren't busting?? The only trustworthy person seems to be Trey Gowdy. Has he ever been on Infowars? I can't recall...
DonKeyhote ago
Fuck them. For whatever reason they want to take away the only concrete physical location we got. That discredits us as much as the CPP shooter.
unrealisthenewreal ago
Well, when WL tweeted Ben Swann's video about PG, I figured it was legit. While I believe blackmailing politicians is a part of PG, it's not the only reason these pedo rings exist.
V____Z ago
What happened to Ben Swann after that video is what happens to people who are speaking truth re pizzagate.
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
He still does the news on CBS 46 in ATL, but he doesn't do his "Reality Check" segment anymore.
V____Z ago
He was effectively silenced. To my knowledge, he is just the co-anchor. And he has zero voice outside of that. But his attitude upon leaving the scene gave me hope - he seemed to insinuate that there are good things happening behind the curtain.
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
I'd love to know where he went and who he talked to during the week or so that he went missing.
lactose ago
did you see D.C. girls attacked posted 17 hours ago? D.C. girls attacked by sex trafficker on film? must see
rwb ago
V___Z "Who's to say it's not distraction and a psyop to get people focusing away from our pizzagate evidence?"
Hmmm... Now that's a plausible plan to distract. Jones says don't look at PG evidence and everyone goes O.K. (deep sarcasm)
anonOpenPress ago
A fair point of view. Let's keep our eyes wide open in both directions.
rwb ago
Of course Sibel Edmonds has also been on Alex Jones Show, multiple times. It's virtually impossible to find anyone who has done anything of significance to fight the deep state, NWO, big pharma, military industrial complex who hasn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED6MoR1zIRo
Laskar ago
You can't find them because they probably have been murdered, disappeared or defamed enough to scare them.
rwb ago
Some of Jones's guests were later murdered. Nancy Schaefer (beautiful soul suicided with her husband for blowing CPS kidnapping ring open) and the D.C. madam immediately come to mind. I know there are others.
20Justice4All17 ago
Genderson?
Laskar ago
There is a growing number of martyrs to the exposure of pedos over the years.
chordwonder ago
Perhaps, but it didn't work. We still wandered into spaces they didn't want us in in DC. Tunnels, networks, processes.....For all I know.....the real #pizzagate culprit could be the one owned by State Dept. employee.
dickface8 ago
And who could forget Trolley Park... Nobody even mentions that anymore because there's literally so many nefarious avenues to go down that it's fallen by the wayside.
V____Z ago
What's really fucked up is that we quit talking about it exactly right after Alefantis told us to (by way of threatening Ryan/pizzagategear). Why didn't we go in even harder? I don't understand. I've mentioned a few times that we should explore that area more, especially since Alefantis doesn't want us to, and in the last interview I heard with Ryan he says there is much more to be explored re Pegasus (though for good reason, he won't be doing it). But nothing.
I think there should be a MAJOR push to go back to our roots - to take another look at all of the evidence we uncovered in the first few months, to see what we've forgotten, what needs more investigation, and as a reminder of what leads turned out to be false (like the Besta owner who was initially thought to be a State Dept employee).
V____Z ago
Seriously. What the fuck. Besta pizza changed their logo -
it is owned by a State Dept employee, and it's located two doors from another pizza place which makes no sense for a business that actually wants to make money. But Alex Jones is focusing on California now, and Cernovich is dropping limited hangout bs.later edit: schooled on the State Dept employee thing, thanks y'all.
cakeoflightylight ago
which employee of the state dept owns Besta? I thought that was debunked?
V____Z ago
Really? Can you point me to evidence of that? I swear I hear opposing things about almost everything and everyone involved in this. Its really hard to know what to trust.
cakeoflightylight ago
Depends on who you are saying owns it... I may need to catch up. I thought it was someone named Andrew Kline but not the one who worked for State.
equineluvr ago
Yep. Two different Andrew Klines. Nobody checked the photos, they just saw the identical names and assumed.
Laskar ago
Exactly. I do not understand why anyone, especially here on VOAT thinks Cernovich has any credibility at all.
equineluvr ago
Most VOATers are just sheeple, based upon the posts here. The informed are a tiny minority here.
Laskar ago
Well, let's hope that the informed minority increases. We can't give up. We can also encourage the informed and communicate with each other as you are doing here.
chordwonder ago
I do not trust Cernovich or Jones. Just a feeling, not condemning them.
sunajAeon ago
I do notice Cernovich comes on in Twitter more like a celebrity in the making rather than a journalist, haven't finished studying his statements on Pizzagate just yet but what I read here is troubling
sunshine702 ago
I don't like Cenovich being buddies with that elite creepo Derchowitz. I can just kinda feel that he's a kiddy fucker. And I get irritated with Jones whipsawing around.
It was ok. Only new info was.the polygraphers are dirty. Ok.
Laskar ago
That is the key right there. Anyone associated with Dershowitz is a criminal of the first water.
It's like the chief of DC police cozy with Alefantis.
I can't believe people here on this site posted so much hype about Cernovich. He's nothing in this. Just a prop for Alex Jones' entertainment for money making enterprises.
cakeoflightylight ago
Exactly
chordwonder ago
Dershowitz is dirtier than dirty & twice as perverted & power hungry.
redditsuckz ago
Cernovich probably eats babies...same with Alex Jones and his friends at CIA Stratfor...
Mike Cernovich was laughing nervously like a bitch when pizzagate first broke and scared shitless...you could see the life leave (((Mike Cernovich))) and (((Stefan Molyneux))) faces when pizzagate first came to light because they are part of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXtzU7lJRLo
dickface8 ago
Stefan Molyneux sure does creep me out a bit I'll tell you that much.
Laskar ago
Glad someone said it.
Mayor_Wang ago
I know what you mean. AJ must be aware of this meta at some level; he deals in revealing/exposing conspiracies, and of course, this will invariably lead to his own audience questioning him as well. I keep AJ at arms length for now.
Silverlining ago
Who else have we got? Apart from ourself voaters!
rwb ago
Yesterday you were a big supporter of Cernovich. Does this mean you've changed your mind?
V____Z ago
My friend, the truth is not found in dichotmies - it is found in the shades of grey. Let's keep our eyes open, as others here are saying. There are no heroes, nor is everything Alex ever touched demonized by association. I told you this yesterday, please stop harassing me and just focus on the content of the arguments and info.
I was never a supporter of Cernovich, i'm just announcing pertinent pizzagate related information.
rwb ago
Your objective to this point at VOAT with respect to Jones has been to prove he is working for the CIA to cover up child sex slavery, and the claim is an abomination and demonstrably incorrect. The truth is, for some twenty-two years, Jones has committed unprecedented hours of terrestrial radio broadcasting time to telling the story of satanic child sex slavery, and he has had virtually every important researcher on as a guest to help further the cause, whether it's Gunderson, Passio, Icke, Edmonds, etc. Jones is a hero for doing this. Further, Jones went at the PG story very strongly until IW reporter was hoodwinked by a fake menu with maimed children for sale, at which point he was forced to make a change. Why would he go at the story in the first place if his sole job was to cover for it? Maybe because the simplest explanation is the correct one, namely that he fell for a trap, and had no alternative.
If you call challenging your propaganda war against Jones harassment, you do not understand what you are doing. I am a sporting fellow. Back off on the attacks under the advice of a fellow Christian who knows more about Jones's heart than you do, and I'll stop confronting you at every turn. Let him work any angle of child sex slavery he can for the time being unmolested by you.
SecondAmendment ago
I agree. I say the more involved in exposing this, the merrier. I applaud Alex Jones. Cernovich, Paul Joseph Watson .. hell, anyone willing to put the info they have out there. I had not heard about the "menu" (taken off Comet Ping Pong's website) ever being denunked. But other than that statement, which surprises me, I agree 100% with this post and say "THANK YOU" for having AJ's and MC's backs.
V____Z ago
You're wrong about Jones, and you refuse to look at the evidence. My thoughts about him are mirrored by many others. They are not personal, they are in keeping with my goal to help this investigation and the children.
rwb ago
You're wrong when you think you're a Christian at heart. You and I had a lengthy private conversation at my initiative about the savage attacks on David Seaman. You told me you know Seaman better than 99% of the people posting things about him, having followed him on Twitter for many years prior. You said it was all lies and fabrication. I believed David, and I trusted your confirmation.
Now I am telling you that I know Jones better than 99% of the people viciously attacking him, including you, and you can't extend a modicum of consideration that I have studied all of the (mis)information you cite over and over again, and much of it is fabricated, embellished, and groomed for purpose in exactly the same way all of the information about DS was fabricated, embellished, and groomed for purpose. You extend no remotely similar courtesy to me as I extended to you. You're a hypocrite of an extraordinary kind.
V____Z ago
I showed you how just a few days ago Alex went on a "Goddamn you fuckers" rant, linked you to it, and you ignored it, claiming to have a handle on what is Christian and what isn't.
My assessment of AJ is not personal against him, nor you, but your attacks on my character, even bringing religion into it, are personal and i'm asking you to refocus, and stop. Your breathless defense of Alex Jones is becoming a distraction to this sub, in my opinion. You're not going to change my mind, not by attacking me, nor by claiming to be an authority on the subject. I've been watching him from afar for a long time, and have seen nothing to get me to trust or like him. and please review the comments on this post - 90% of them agree with me about Alex so it's silly to pretend the problem is me.
rwb ago
How many times do you think I have to prove you're a manipulator of the truth and a hypocrite before external observers accept that there is something to what I say. You say I ignored the rant you linked to, yet here it is with my direct response to the video some 17 hours ago: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1767181/8657133/10#8657133
You don't even have the integrity or common sense to validate your own claims before launching another salvo, and this shows you're unreliable.
Regardless, to recapitulate, the video of Jones swearing (oh my!) is highly edited and thus removes all context for what prompted the outburst. Frankly, it's mild under the circumstances. If the Good Lord is only letting in those who have never cursed, there's going to be very few people in heaven. How about you? Have you ever said anything like that? Do I really have to post your comments that contain some nasty language like that used by Jones in the video you cite in order to put your hypocrisy on display yet again?
You might have a very small majority of similarly minded folk on your side in this thread, but not remotely on the whole. There have been many favorable Jones threads at VOAT. Votes to my (Jones's favor) were 19 to 4 here: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1754846/8595738/10#8595738 That is the nature of VOAT. Opinions congregate in clumps. Claiming you have numbers on your side of this argument based on a few up or down votes in one thread is ridiculous.
My defense of Jones is not breathless, it's measured, and in fair accord with which you execute your malicious attacks. I am not trying to change your mind. I am trying to get you to recognize that Jones has followers for a reason, and one of those reasons is because he has been very effective at waking people up to the reality of child sex slavery. Let the man do whatever he can do at this time.
20Justice4All17 ago
Do you have any insight into Cernovich given his ties to Dershowitz and that Epstein rape case?
rwb ago
No, but I like Dershowitz the way I like stepping on a rusty nail. The world is a complicated place. Cernovich is saying good things, so I don't see why they can't be taken at face value right now.
20Justice4All17 ago
Understood. So I have my questions about AJ and Cernovich but as you point out they are going after the Pedos. Imho if they are not on the good side then neither is Trump and there is really no hope at Justice. I think that's why their veracity is such a loaded topic. Thanks.
rwb ago
It's worth keeping in mind that anyone who commits ten thousand hours of information to a recorded medium is absolutely ripe for manipulation. That's what makes Jones an easy target. People are able to extract and compile mistakes and things that were said in the heat of the moment, and aggregate them to form the worst possible picture. But this is called propaganda, and anyone interested in the truth before all else has to be on guard for it. I'll tell a quick anecdote to make a point.
Not long ago, I was defending Jones against another person. They claimed Jones is no Christian, and they produced a video that was to prove it. It was ten minutes long, and I believe in hearing out the other side, so I started to watch. The video opens with a sleuth who in a few moments is going to prove Jones is no Christian, but before doing so, he says wonderful things about Kent Hovind, a preacher who unjustly spent time in federal prison, and then asks me to support him. However 20Justice4All17, there was a problem. I already knew who Kent Hovind was, because Jones had already talked about Hovind's incredible plight probably twenty times on air, and even did an on air interview with Hovind from behind bars.
There is incredible irony in someone producing a propaganda video that is going to convince me that Jones is a wicked atheist when the narrator asks me to support the very same preacher Jones already poured his heart and soul into helping in any way he could. It actually brings tears to my eyes to know that for all of Jones's faults, on the whole, he does much more good, especially in telling the story of the worst crimes against children, and that's why I defend him ferociously, warts and all.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1758830/8620755/10#8620755
20Justice4All17 ago
I have not followed Jones as closely as you have, but I remember people saying he was controlled by Time Warner because in his early years his public access station was owned by them. That was ridiculous. My uninformed take is that AJ is a true outsider fighting corrupt authority. This is what makes him an easy target. Over time, he has been proven mostly correct, and with the election of Trump, he is slowly being brought to this new inside (i.e. Trumps side). I don't like him backing of CPP, but he is making up for it by going along with Cernovich and Sawyer against the pedosatanists. I wish him nothing but good will and I continue to watch his videos for information.
With that said, i personally know people real heavy into him that were hurt so bad by him backing of CPP that they have now sworn him off. I don't think that's a good idea, but eventually all the truth needs to come out about CPP in order to clear everything up with AJ for a lot of people (myself not included).
rwb ago
One thing should be obvious. He did not back off Alefantis/CPP because he's working for the CIA. That's what V___Z and others would like you to believe. It's preposterous. I hate Occam's razor because it is so overused and misused, but this is a classic situation where it applies.
Initially, Jones was on top of Alefantis/CPP angle and said on air multiple times how the codespeak in the JP emails and all the creepy artwork and Instagram pictures indicated something very bad. Then, one of Jones's reporters fell for a fabricated and planted piece of evidence in the form of a CPP child sex torture menu, and took to Twitter with it under the IW banner, making Jones culpable. I believe this was a setup by Alefantis and Co. to get tangible evidence of defamation against Jones. All the skeptics asked why threaten to sue Jones not DS and all the other PG reporters who were saying even worse things, and they cited the lack of lawsuit threats as evidence Jones fabricated the story of being threatened by JA. But the reason why others were not bothered with should also be obvious. I've discussed this at length at VOAT prior. Jones and IW offered the biggest bang for the buck. Get a retraction from Jones and the PG investigation will be hampered, especially from a public opinion perspective. Get a retraction from Jones as a proxy for all PG investigators at any cost, and they would have their centerpiece story to run with in the MSM. And it worked brilliantly. You don't get named the 49th most powerful man in Washington by being stupid. The simplest theory is he backed off because they had evidence of libel against him that they had against no one else, and they knew they would drag Jones into the den of the enemy, a D.C. courtroom, probably run by a virtual associate of Alefantis and Co. and bury Jones in litigation, and Jones knew this. Of course they got what they were most hoping for.
If it sounds implausible, think how implausible it was that Podesta would fall for a phishing scheme which would lead to email leaks. The world's a crazy place. For the record, I am a realist. Jones supporters and detractors are so polarized at this point, nothing is going to change anyone's mind. I counter the attacks when I see them out of a moral duty to myself and no one else. I know the real world impact is negligible.
20Justice4All17 ago
It is terrible to hear this. How badly has this hurt our efforts? Makes me even more angry. Can we recover from this? Man, these guys are so evil and sneaky.
20Justice4All17 ago
I just want to say I respect both of you as researchers and commenters. I don't know Jones or Cernovich that well. I am glad they both seem to be going after the Pedo elite. It seems like what is missing in all this is any hard evidence. I was and am confused by AJ and DS backing off CPP, but I believe there is some kind of coordinated effort by the good guys to expose this. I tend to think AJ is a good guy who is slowly being let in on the facts of this. Idk? It seems like there is more than meets the eye with CPP and bests pizza. We need hard evidence!
Silverlining ago
AJ Cern good guys.
sunshine702 ago
There has to be more. There is NO WAY they are selling that many pizzas to afford that real estate. This is clearly a money laundering or front for blackmail. Would like to look at their books.
20Justice4All17 ago
Agreed...I just keep puzzling over why AJ backed off of them? He is calling out people more powerful than Alefantis.
Omnicopy ago
There is some hard evidence like the kids being taken out of Haiti by Silsby but maybe that isn't hard enough for you. It is for me! You also have witnessed, but for some reason they are never enough
20Justice4All17 ago
I meant hard evidence with those connected to CPP. I've needed less evidence than this with Silsby. Ive been onto this since well before wikileaks
V____Z ago
Thank you. David didn't back off, he holds these guys to task here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oZ--9GiwWk
We won't get hard evidence by running to California and declaring Alefantis innocent, as Alex is doing.
20Justice4All17 ago
If I recall DS does not mention JA at all in this video. Again, I am puzzling over AJ. Clearly CPP is a hot pedo mess. But AJ, Craig Sawyer, and Mike Cernovich are not backing off of even bigger fish than CPP which creates more of an enigma. I cannot write off AJ even though I don't understand his stance with CPP.
Cara_C ago
The big fish - the elitist pedophile satanists who control much of the world - can start to be glimpsed through the window Podesta and Comet Ping Pong opened up. Alex Jones and Mike Cernovich are telling us not to look there, but to switch our focus to some unnamed people in the Deep State who are blackmailing and controlling innocent politicians who actually have no sexual interest in children, but were set up. With all we've learned by looking into Podesta, Comet Ping Pong, and their many connections to pedophiles and satanists, we absolutely should not be looking away from them, and I'm suspicious of the motivation of anyone who tries to label them as distractions.
rwb ago
Right now, Jones's best means of having an effect on CP and child sex slavery is to get the message out that it's happening everywhere, not just in D.C. Jones cites articles daily about hundreds of arrests in California, so he has something tangible to work with.
If Jones for any reason decides to start moving on the Alefantis/CPP angle some time in the future, you will find some way, any way, to make it appear fraudulent or opportunist, and you'll pick it apart and stomp all over it as being yet another ruse by Jones, because that's your MO.
Jones has dedicated more broadcasting hours to tell this story of global child sex slavery over the last twenty-two years than any other radio personality, living or dead. You're probably tired of reading that, but I am going to bludgeon you with it until you acknowledge that it is a true statement You're a saboteur, and no follower of Christ. The children locked in dungeons in California are just as important as the ones in D.C., but not to you because Jones thinks they are just as important.
cakeoflightylight ago
This is such bullshit. You don't need to bend over for Alefantis by kissing Alex Jones's ass. Alefantis is as pedo dirty as his ex boyfriend and all their Satanic friends. We need to move on past Alex Jones and hammer Trump, Gowdy and Sessions along with the FBI with any and every piece of info we can.