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Fully Sourced Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence
We would like to update the subverse sidebar with a "For Newcomers" section that provides a few up-to-date links to introductory material on Pizzagate.
The section has to be as concise as possible, I'm picturing it in the following format:
For Newcomers
To find the best redpilling material out there, we want to crowdsource these three links.
A good candidate material is:
- relatively short (consumable in 20-30 minutes);
- well put-together;
- sourced;
- objective;
- non-dramatizing;
- non-violent.
We're aware that it's not necessarily possible to match all these criteria in a single material, but we're hopeful to find the closest match. We're not looking for material that offer the most details and evidence, as it would be overwhelming for people who first hear about this. What we're looking for is the best introduction: a video, an article, and a /v/pizzagate thread that help provide a quick and accurate mental model, don't smell of cheesy conspiracy theory, and inspire further research. Think of these links as the PR of this investigation.
With that in mind, please recommend your favorite Pizzagate summary link in the comment section, and make sure to write a few words about why you think we should go with that one. We won't necessarily go with the links that get the most upvotes, this is not a numbers game, but we will take that into consideration, and all in all try to make the best decision.
Thank you for your help with this.
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anon_sense ago
I know it may be a bit indirectly related, but I really feel there needs to be some info/links about how the mainstream media is not to be trusted. I say this because whenever I try and redpill friends on this, most of them hop straight to Google where they find the WaPo, NYT etc. pieces (e.g. "The Real Consequences of Fake News") - and then shortly after that they send me the Snopes link.
Part of being redpilled on this means unplugging from the belief that the MSM are the "custodians of truth". E.g. How about this short Mark Dice video on how CNN regularly cuts its news feed when guests don't tow the establishment line:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5hkHraAaW-0&feature=youtu.be
wecanhelp ago
Very valid point. Ideally, the introductory material would address this problem within itself, but I would be open to adding one extra link for "why you shouldn't trust the media on this". @reasonedandinformed has been maintaining an excellent collection on this, which would indeed be a valuable addition to the newcomers section in my opinion. What do you think? Would a write-up like this have redpilling potential with your friends on the media coverup?
anon_sense ago
That is an excellent collection and I would definitely link to it. I know it's comprehensive but seeing it in its entirety is part of the impact - i.e. how so many publications/news agencies are involved.
wecanhelp ago
I agree with that. Thanks for the feedback, will probably try and work this link in somehow, without adding too much clutter.
reasonedandinformed ago
@wecanhelp I tend to write more summary posts or post when I see a major pattern. And I will continue to update this censorship thread for any new additions. I have another thread that lays out some of the high-level questions that the LSM has refused to even touch, even in a minor way: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1699060. We can confidently point people to the "debunking" and "fake news" articles and then ask them if they covered this short bulleted list, which directly links to the details, showing some of the best evidence that requires investigation. If they have seen the LSM stories and the questions, it is clear that there is a massive cover up involved.
wecanhelp ago
I like this approach, but without a proper context already established in the reader's mind, this would be more confusing than helpful. We appreciate these questions because we already have the required background knowledge and mental model for them, but a newcomer wouldn't find this particularly easy to consume, I'm afraid. I would much rather use your collection about media coverup, as that speaks more to newbies.