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Fully Sourced Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence
We would like to update the subverse sidebar with a "For Newcomers" section that provides a few up-to-date links to introductory material on Pizzagate.
The section has to be as concise as possible, I'm picturing it in the following format:
For Newcomers
To find the best redpilling material out there, we want to crowdsource these three links.
A good candidate material is:
- relatively short (consumable in 20-30 minutes);
- well put-together;
- sourced;
- objective;
- non-dramatizing;
- non-violent.
We're aware that it's not necessarily possible to match all these criteria in a single material, but we're hopeful to find the closest match. We're not looking for material that offer the most details and evidence, as it would be overwhelming for people who first hear about this. What we're looking for is the best introduction: a video, an article, and a /v/pizzagate thread that help provide a quick and accurate mental model, don't smell of cheesy conspiracy theory, and inspire further research. Think of these links as the PR of this investigation.
With that in mind, please recommend your favorite Pizzagate summary link in the comment section, and make sure to write a few words about why you think we should go with that one. We won't necessarily go with the links that get the most upvotes, this is not a numbers game, but we will take that into consideration, and all in all try to make the best decision.
Thank you for your help with this.
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burnerdrone04 ago
There is a term I really like: "plausibility structure" It's kind of like world-view. It is a framework of understanding that allows you to believe that something is true. If I had been exposed to the statement "Hillary is part of a satanic global cabal that murders children" 4 months ago, that would have been the end of my interest and investigation into pizzagate. I had to build (or have built by others in this amazing/terrifying community) the plausibility structure over time. I suggest the following resources in this order for "red-pilling" the logical skeptic:
TED talk -Sharyl Attkisson- how to spot media manipulation
Norway Pedo Bust
Corporate Media Story spike of the Norway Pedo Bust
NYT Then
NYT Now
Washinton Post
Stephen Colbert on Pizzagate (Note the words used mirror those warned by Sharyl Attkinsson)
Ben Swann on Pizzagate
So that covers the climate within which #Pizzagate exists. It's really a good primer because this thing is so vast, there's no point in summing it up unless the "plausibility structure" has been established for going further. It should be enough to cause someone to at least consider that pizzagate is real and hopefully dig further for themselves. You own the knowledge more if you do some of the homework.
More stories/info on censorship or character assassination may also be helpful when viewed through the lens of the Sharyl Attkinsson TED talk, such as David Seamans battles with his own wikipedia page. David Seaman in his own words on character assassination.
Also understanding that the kind of deep evil involving child torture/murder has a place in our human history... This is not new. I know it's Wikipedia but a lot of people default to trusting it and historical articles are not as likely to change a whole lot. There are other sources for these widely publicized events.
Marc_Dutroux
Jimmy Savile
Edward Heath
Maybe even Gilles de Rais
Find out what it's really all about: pizzagate.com and of course right here on voat/v/pizzagate
wecanhelp ago
Thank you, I have many thoughts about this comment. First and foremost:
Thanks for this, this is exactly what I've been thinking about for some time now, didn't know it had a name. The rabbit hole is getting deeper, and with that less and less plausible for a newcomer.
Unfortunately, I don't think it's a viable solution to include a list of links, the whole point of an introductory material is that it already has done the work of aggregating information from different sources, and building them up in an easy-to-follow, educative structure. If you're new to all this, and you arrive with the predisposition that this is likely just another conspiracy theory, you will have no incentive to invest considerably into potentially being convinced of the opposite. Present an understandably skeptical newbie with a long list of resources, and you've set yourself up for failure. I stick by the single-link idea.
For sure, and I'm not looking to take that away. That is why the introductory material is not meant to be the be-all and end-all of Pizzagate information. It should be (and excuse the word choice, but it hopefully gets my message through) an appetizer that has the best chance to guarantee you will then be intrinsically motivated to do the rest of your own homework.
To give you a good example that is unfortunately not accessible anymore on the original channel: #PizzaGate: What We Know So Far by Reality Calls was an excellent Pizzagate 101 of its time, even despite some inaccuracies that the community has discovered since. It redpilled me, and many others as well, precisely because it was brief, to-the-point, sourced, and intelligent. It was unlike typical conspiracy theory videos, and you could tell there had been a lot of thought put into not just what to tell, but how to tell it. I'm looking for an up-to-date version of this essentially.
Finally:
Unfortunately that site is compromised, and its maintainers have dubious motives, so we won't endorse it. Too bad, because otherwise the core information and presentation there used to be of pretty good quality.
Progressivelymean ago
Maybe instead of the whole article just a excerpt of an article that give enough to gain interest, or enough that they understand the point with a link to the remainder of the article. Newslogue does this all the time when you share an article.
burnerdrone04 ago
Well, if any from my list are contenders, I'd still stick with Ben Swann's Reality check video for a couple of reasons. It's easy to follow, it prompts further digging, and it comes from someone on a credible major news network (if you are not willing to distrust the TV yet).
wecanhelp ago
This is a very good point actually. I'm adding it to my mental shortlist. Thank you.