My sincere apologies because this comment is not related to this post, and because of the rules, I can’t create a thread of its own here, but I don’t see any other solution to bring this topic to your all attention:
The main subverse pizzagate is so full of threads that it is not possible for new members or lurkers (not to mention law enforcement people) to see what we have achieved so far. Even longtime members have difficulty keeping track of all the important threads with good evidence.
So we really need to have something that flags all the important threads, or to put them in a subverse of their own. Member @impulse110 and I have posted a similar suggestion in different subverses:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/1632495
Ok I feel like there is so much evidence and so many loose ends. A lot of this research is adhoc since there is no way to know what new piece of evidence is going to come up. But is there a utility we can use to link everything together and give a place for people with validated evidence to contribute. Is there something we can create with visual links and diagrams of all the leads and evidence? I am imagining a web of nodes and links with sub nodes and links with supporting evidence. There has to be a tool already available that we can use. I will be willing to contribute to it if it seems practical. So many people run into so many good leads but dont have the time and effort to go deeper into it and other people can jump in and go deeper into that specific lead. Right now its hard for new people to jump in without knowing everything else that has already been worked on. There is a lot of inefficiencies in this process. You cant expect people to follow and read into every post. and many people just want to know where they can get involved and jump in with their efforts.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagatemods/1632250
More and more people are submitting postings, which is basically a good thing, of course. However, the subverse "pizzagate" is now more swamped than ever with all kinds of postings, and while they may all be related to Pizzagate, not all of them turn out to contain good evidence.
Since we want to attract more people to this investigation, newcomers (as well as lurkers) will find it extremely difficult to get an overview of what we have accomplished so far in terms of evidence. Hitting the "Hot" button doesn't help, of course.
So I suggest a new subverse called, for example, "pizzagateevidence" where all postings with good (circumstantial or direct) evidence are stored - additionally to the normal pizzagate subverse.
I know that deciding which post delivers good evidence and which not may be difficult, but if you agree, I think we should give it at least a try.
Please comment on these posts so that we can put some pressure on the mods! Thank you all for this – and for keeping up the incredibly good work!
You could do what George Webb is doing with the story boards on Trello. I think those boards where people can add links to a particular subject, and especially graphics, would be huge. Most people are visual learners. I find that the boards with short blurbs linking to the next piece of evidence, while also including a link with further details, is the best way for people to absorb the info quickly. It's a lot of work, but I think if everyone works together then we can have an awesome database to share with anyone, including officials.
**On another note: I saw someone on GW's comments had an epiphany that clicked in my own brain about the organ trafficking. The affordable care act was about a database. A database of human "resources" aka cattle, for organ trafficking. Of course, it plays other roles in controlling the population that are more easily discernible like the govt picking winners and losers wrt to healthcare through the single payer (actually means "single provider" ie: the govt), system, but it's so clear now that organ trafficking would also be a HUGE profit for these bastards and not need to come from other nations anymore. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly why I never signed up for that BS.
Leave posts as they are here, and simply file and store "good evidence" posts in the new subverse. Is never going to happen because it is logical and also asks the mods to make appropriate decisions that actually help /v/pizzagate instead of hinder it. Ha.
I have a suggestion, but we need the Mods to be with us on this one. First, we should create a list of all existing leads connected to Pizzagate. Then, everyday, one singular lead would be put up in a "collecting evidence post" about that particular lead. For example, first day could be Comet Ping Pong day and all related threads. We'd ask that all Voaters, lurkers and Mods post any and every thread they've archived or bookmarked or saved somewhere on that thread to be collected. Once time is up, we edit and archive for further research. Next day, new lead is put up on a thread.
I'd love to contribute as I know more about Syria and Syrian war connections than most here. How it was started, who sent people where and what etc....
Saudis loved sending freed prisoners to Syria, that's just the start of the human trafficking.
I love this idea. Personally I would create a different "collecting evidence post" each day which we should upvoat like mad men. Example: "Collecting evidence thread - Feb 11 - McCann case". By writing a different thread each day we have more chance that the thread remains on the front page.
We could ping the mods and ask them to help us out by making an exception for our daily threads. But first we need a list of leads to make @sensitive wonderful idea happen. Why not start now? I'll give you some of the important leads I believe we should be 'collecting old threads' in relation to:
Comet Ping Pong
James Alefantis social media
Friends of Comet Ping Pong (Heavy Breathing, Sasha Lord, Scott Cummings & family, Joe wills, John Kreher, et al)
Killroom investigation
Pegasus Museum
Haiti orphanages and foundations suspected of nefarious activities
Hawai Connection
FBIAnon and his 4chan threads
CF, CGI anything HRC and Bill Clinton related (Charles Ortel, Eric Braverman, et al)
Moonie Cult
MK Ultra
The Jimmy Savile case
Madeleine McCann case
The Hampstead case
The Franklin Cover-up case
The Fiona Barnett case
The Johnny Gosch case
The Mc Martin case
Laura Silsby
The Maccoby ties
SRA
Soros and his nefarious and chaos creating initiatives
Yes, I agree that we have reached a point where consolidation is required. Quite often if I write a new post, a quick search in the sidebar on this subverse comes up with a number of related past threads. Often, with relevant but forgotten information. Perhaps we should encourage people to look for related threads when they post now as it helps to put a more complete picture together.
Edit : I also think that infographics are a very effective way of condensing a lot of information into one image and we could make more use of them. I've been trying to working out what is the best software to use for mapping all this information.
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sensitive ago
My sincere apologies because this comment is not related to this post, and because of the rules, I can’t create a thread of its own here, but I don’t see any other solution to bring this topic to your all attention:
The main subverse pizzagate is so full of threads that it is not possible for new members or lurkers (not to mention law enforcement people) to see what we have achieved so far. Even longtime members have difficulty keeping track of all the important threads with good evidence. So we really need to have something that flags all the important threads, or to put them in a subverse of their own. Member @impulse110 and I have posted a similar suggestion in different subverses:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/1632495 Ok I feel like there is so much evidence and so many loose ends. A lot of this research is adhoc since there is no way to know what new piece of evidence is going to come up. But is there a utility we can use to link everything together and give a place for people with validated evidence to contribute. Is there something we can create with visual links and diagrams of all the leads and evidence? I am imagining a web of nodes and links with sub nodes and links with supporting evidence. There has to be a tool already available that we can use. I will be willing to contribute to it if it seems practical. So many people run into so many good leads but dont have the time and effort to go deeper into it and other people can jump in and go deeper into that specific lead. Right now its hard for new people to jump in without knowing everything else that has already been worked on. There is a lot of inefficiencies in this process. You cant expect people to follow and read into every post. and many people just want to know where they can get involved and jump in with their efforts.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagatemods/1632250 More and more people are submitting postings, which is basically a good thing, of course. However, the subverse "pizzagate" is now more swamped than ever with all kinds of postings, and while they may all be related to Pizzagate, not all of them turn out to contain good evidence.
Since we want to attract more people to this investigation, newcomers (as well as lurkers) will find it extremely difficult to get an overview of what we have accomplished so far in terms of evidence. Hitting the "Hot" button doesn't help, of course.
So I suggest a new subverse called, for example, "pizzagateevidence" where all postings with good (circumstantial or direct) evidence are stored - additionally to the normal pizzagate subverse.
I know that deciding which post delivers good evidence and which not may be difficult, but if you agree, I think we should give it at least a try.
Please comment on these posts so that we can put some pressure on the mods! Thank you all for this – and for keeping up the incredibly good work!
Freemasonsrus ago
You could do what George Webb is doing with the story boards on Trello. I think those boards where people can add links to a particular subject, and especially graphics, would be huge. Most people are visual learners. I find that the boards with short blurbs linking to the next piece of evidence, while also including a link with further details, is the best way for people to absorb the info quickly. It's a lot of work, but I think if everyone works together then we can have an awesome database to share with anyone, including officials.
**On another note: I saw someone on GW's comments had an epiphany that clicked in my own brain about the organ trafficking. The affordable care act was about a database. A database of human "resources" aka cattle, for organ trafficking. Of course, it plays other roles in controlling the population that are more easily discernible like the govt picking winners and losers wrt to healthcare through the single payer (actually means "single provider" ie: the govt), system, but it's so clear now that organ trafficking would also be a HUGE profit for these bastards and not need to come from other nations anymore. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly why I never signed up for that BS.
VieBleu ago
Leave posts as they are here, and simply file and store "good evidence" posts in the new subverse. Is never going to happen because it is logical and also asks the mods to make appropriate decisions that actually help /v/pizzagate instead of hinder it. Ha.
NICE THREAD HIJACK btw.
YingYangMom ago
I have a suggestion, but we need the Mods to be with us on this one. First, we should create a list of all existing leads connected to Pizzagate. Then, everyday, one singular lead would be put up in a "collecting evidence post" about that particular lead. For example, first day could be Comet Ping Pong day and all related threads. We'd ask that all Voaters, lurkers and Mods post any and every thread they've archived or bookmarked or saved somewhere on that thread to be collected. Once time is up, we edit and archive for further research. Next day, new lead is put up on a thread.
CROM_God_of_Shitkind ago
I'd love to contribute as I know more about Syria and Syrian war connections than most here. How it was started, who sent people where and what etc....
Saudis loved sending freed prisoners to Syria, that's just the start of the human trafficking.
newworldahead ago
I love this idea. Personally I would create a different "collecting evidence post" each day which we should upvoat like mad men. Example: "Collecting evidence thread - Feb 11 - McCann case". By writing a different thread each day we have more chance that the thread remains on the front page.
YingYangMom ago
We could ping the mods and ask them to help us out by making an exception for our daily threads. But first we need a list of leads to make @sensitive wonderful idea happen. Why not start now? I'll give you some of the important leads I believe we should be 'collecting old threads' in relation to:
and so many more...
newworldahead ago
This is great. We need as many voaters to participate in this effort. How about we start this on monday? Could be tomorrow too
sensitive ago
I am open to anything that works! So let's choose either one of the threads I mentioned and comment and upvoat so as to get heard!
cantsleepawink ago
Yes, I agree that we have reached a point where consolidation is required. Quite often if I write a new post, a quick search in the sidebar on this subverse comes up with a number of related past threads. Often, with relevant but forgotten information. Perhaps we should encourage people to look for related threads when they post now as it helps to put a more complete picture together.
Edit : I also think that infographics are a very effective way of condensing a lot of information into one image and we could make more use of them. I've been trying to working out what is the best software to use for mapping all this information.