We need to rally behind this young man. I came forward with information about alefantis and the community attacked. I can't imagine how this guy feels right now. He goes public with very sensitive information and the community pushes him away rather than taking him in and listening to him. Quit acting like this every time somebody comes forward with allegations of Alefantis doing something to them personally. Take it for what it is and if it proves false then so be it.
Speaking to this community is defacto speaking to your opposition - 50% or more on here are the CIA and paid Brock shills. Then you always have a couple of stupid random trolls who can be louder than loud. Do not harbor resentment because people interested in pizzagate are not the attackers.
It could very well be that 5000 of the 10k subscribers are paid opposition. If you believe that, then it is very easy to believe that they are able to upvote posts that can mislead or discredit the investigation as a whole. personally, applying occam's razor on these type of claims, I believe the person is not acting in good faith if they don't go to the police first, and then come here with a police statement. If you had been raped as a young adult many years ago, and finally got the courage to deal with it, would you go to the police, or to an online forum?
also, including the address of someone that is the son of a chef that used to work for CPP many years ago.... that is doxxing, and that is a BIG RED FLAG.
I am not contesting that explanations were made, I am saying that talk is cheap, and it would be believable if the person had contacted law enforcement and shown us the proof.
Talk is cheap?? He's a human being coming forward with allegations of being sexually assaulted and your response to him is talk is cheap? He didn't have to come forward but he did because he thought this community deserved the information. He's put himself in a lot of danger just to come out public with this.
In this environment, where anybody can claim anything, and we KNOW that some percentage of subscribers do not have good intentions, then yes, talk is cheap. that statement is not meant to be demeaning, it is just a fact.
he or she that originally posted the allegation used email screenshots as proof. just like with the person that alleged that they had been threatened by J.A. by showing screenshots of a chatlog, these kinds of evidence are too easy to fake. they unfortunately don't prove anything.
I am the person that alefantis threatened. I provided the Facebook messenger chats, the call logs, the text chats, the police report number, and I even sent my phone bill to many people around the world. I provided you with everything I could and still I get told it's not proof(yet it's good enough for FBI and lawyer). All I'm saying is you guys are not lawyers or professionals in the field. You shouldn't have this attitude or give me (random fucking person on the internet) everything you possibly have or GTFO. This guy is coming to you with info that he feels comfortable enough to give to you. It is irresponsible to say well because you may not want to give everything out you could be lying so GTFO.
You don't owe anyone anything, and no one owes you anything. you put out what you feel comfortable with, and people take in what they feel comfortable with. this is the only responsible attitude in participating in an open source investigation.
really, no hard feelings and I mean all respect to you. you have your reasons for participating, and whatever they are, I am ok with them. but precisely because none of us are professionals, we have only the Mods and eachother to hold ourselves accountable. critical dialogue is the fundament. I welcome it, and if your intentions are correct, so should you.
I'm not saying don't use critical thinking when you receive info. I'm saying when somebody comes to community with real life events that have happened to them be a little more respectful how you deal with them. This is their real life. It has serious real life consequences to them. You are an anonymous internet person. It has no consequence to you. Think but be respectful when somebody comes forward with sensitive info
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IsThisGameOfThrones ago
We need to rally behind this young man. I came forward with information about alefantis and the community attacked. I can't imagine how this guy feels right now. He goes public with very sensitive information and the community pushes him away rather than taking him in and listening to him. Quit acting like this every time somebody comes forward with allegations of Alefantis doing something to them personally. Take it for what it is and if it proves false then so be it.
VieBleu ago
Speaking to this community is defacto speaking to your opposition - 50% or more on here are the CIA and paid Brock shills. Then you always have a couple of stupid random trolls who can be louder than loud. Do not harbor resentment because people interested in pizzagate are not the attackers.
justanotherpizza ago
It could very well be that 5000 of the 10k subscribers are paid opposition. If you believe that, then it is very easy to believe that they are able to upvote posts that can mislead or discredit the investigation as a whole. personally, applying occam's razor on these type of claims, I believe the person is not acting in good faith if they don't go to the police first, and then come here with a police statement. If you had been raped as a young adult many years ago, and finally got the courage to deal with it, would you go to the police, or to an online forum?
also, including the address of someone that is the son of a chef that used to work for CPP many years ago.... that is doxxing, and that is a BIG RED FLAG.
IsThisGameOfThrones ago
He explains why he didn't in his AMA
justanotherpizza ago
I am not contesting that explanations were made, I am saying that talk is cheap, and it would be believable if the person had contacted law enforcement and shown us the proof.
IsThisGameOfThrones ago
Talk is cheap?? He's a human being coming forward with allegations of being sexually assaulted and your response to him is talk is cheap? He didn't have to come forward but he did because he thought this community deserved the information. He's put himself in a lot of danger just to come out public with this.
justanotherpizza ago
In this environment, where anybody can claim anything, and we KNOW that some percentage of subscribers do not have good intentions, then yes, talk is cheap. that statement is not meant to be demeaning, it is just a fact.
he or she that originally posted the allegation used email screenshots as proof. just like with the person that alleged that they had been threatened by J.A. by showing screenshots of a chatlog, these kinds of evidence are too easy to fake. they unfortunately don't prove anything.
IsThisGameOfThrones ago
I am the person that alefantis threatened. I provided the Facebook messenger chats, the call logs, the text chats, the police report number, and I even sent my phone bill to many people around the world. I provided you with everything I could and still I get told it's not proof(yet it's good enough for FBI and lawyer). All I'm saying is you guys are not lawyers or professionals in the field. You shouldn't have this attitude or give me (random fucking person on the internet) everything you possibly have or GTFO. This guy is coming to you with info that he feels comfortable enough to give to you. It is irresponsible to say well because you may not want to give everything out you could be lying so GTFO.
justanotherpizza ago
You don't owe anyone anything, and no one owes you anything. you put out what you feel comfortable with, and people take in what they feel comfortable with. this is the only responsible attitude in participating in an open source investigation.
really, no hard feelings and I mean all respect to you. you have your reasons for participating, and whatever they are, I am ok with them. but precisely because none of us are professionals, we have only the Mods and eachother to hold ourselves accountable. critical dialogue is the fundament. I welcome it, and if your intentions are correct, so should you.
IsThisGameOfThrones ago
I'm not saying don't use critical thinking when you receive info. I'm saying when somebody comes to community with real life events that have happened to them be a little more respectful how you deal with them. This is their real life. It has serious real life consequences to them. You are an anonymous internet person. It has no consequence to you. Think but be respectful when somebody comes forward with sensitive info
justanotherpizza ago
Yes, you are right. I agree. once again, no disrespect meant. Thanks for the discussion.
IsThisGameOfThrones ago
None taken brother. I think I'm just too amped up from trying to defend trump these past few days. Sorry if I was acting like an ass