I hope you can at least trust me, because I'm the one who wrote the summary sticky your site is based on.
thanks for labeling me as an outright capitalist pig
Nobody is applying that label conclusively. The question needed to be raised, because you put the site up for auction without notifying us or explaining. Why didn't you give us a heads-up (particularly me, since I wrote the post your site is based on)? As for your options, IMO, any death threats being made are completely hollow. The cat is out of the bag on pizzagate. Your site is important, however, so selling to the highest bidder is a terrible option. If you are still afraid, I would suggest turning the domain over to someone trusted, and setting up a gofundme to repay your loss on the domain purchase. I and the other mods would be glad to let you link the gofundme here until your cost is repaid.
I'm just saying at least start a dialogue. They've been helping me since the Voat mess on DynCorp, and they're willing to chat, so it's better than going in with nothing, eh? There's a handful of folks on the chat that run Disobedient Media too
You've already said bye to the $2500 that you spent. Wasn't the goal to raise awareness? Your $2500 will continue to serve that goal whether or not the domain is under your name, as long as the new owner is someone the community trusts.
Since I'm a mod, I'm not the best person to tell you that some of the mods on here are actually trustworthy, but I do believe that since I do see what happens among them behind closed doors. If you don't trust that, there's still an option to give it to a trusted researcher or public figure already covering Pizzagate.
This is true. The money's already gone if that's the case. It's just a matter of whether you want the site to remain in the community or go to Marlin Rando
From what I see, you've purchased the domain in order to help with the investigation and raising awareness of Pizzagate, which is a pretty selfless act.
These goals will continue to be pursued even if you pick someone trusted to transfer the domain to, free of charge. So unless you bought the domain as an investment, your balance in the end will be exactly the same whether you keep the domain for yourself or give it to someone who will keep it active. The only difference will be that it's not yours anymore, which is, based on what you're saying about the threats, what you want.
On the other hand, if you put it up for auction, literally anybody can grab it. Including, say, James Alefantis, or the mainstream media. Especially now that your site is trending, and is an excellent resource to introduce newcomers to the topic, that would be one of the the most harmful and irresponsible steps in the life of this investigation so far.
It is not a question to me that the right thing to do would be to give the domain to a trusted party without expecting anything in return, except for peace of mind.
I'd hop on the Riot chat ASAP and get in touch with Mellenial_Falcon, Vindicator, and the like. Those are our best allies on this subverse so far and would be more than ready to help. Plus you got some other fine folks over there.
I'm even willing to help with whatever, just DON'T GIVE IT TO THE WRONG PEOPLE!
Yay me, I never believed it!
Why would we move all our research unless we simply have to (like reddit, archive.is, sli.mg)? Stop falling for calls for money, personal info, or research. My two cents.
I don't have a twitter and it's asking me to verify by number, tell him I'll take the domain and maintain it if he is giving it away. I don't mind being threatened.
I don't like having my life threatened. I didnt know pizzagate would get this big overnight. I either sell it or give it
We need to start shaming folks who publicize this site, on all channels. Call them out for plagiarizing other people's research and profiteering from it. This is disgusting behavior. Anyone care to do a deep dive and document what they have listed from where, and post it to this thread, so we can share the link as evidence?
Technically all our information is public domain, and what was used was linked to us on pizzagate.com. See the section on "What is Pizzagate?" followed by the John Podesta/Tony Podesta/James Alefantis/Hillary Clinton columns. Just about word for word from us, but more-than adequately referenced to us.
I should add I can't say anything about the folks at Disobedient Media, however, and their copyrights as well as David Seaman's. Certainly other people may be affected by this, but I'm afraid the Wiki would not by legal definition be a good example.
I've flaired this as IMPORTANT because I believe that everybody needs to know what's going on.
pizzagate.com is being operated by @pizzagateDOTcom who has built it using the sourced information in the summary sticky. A move like this could easily compromise an otherwise excellent site, and is very irresponsible at this point when the domain is already well-known as a good source of Pizzagate-related information. For all you know, the buyer could update the current content tomorrow with a "$25,000 reward paid out: Pizzagate has been debunked" headline.
We're still waiting for @pizzagateDOTcom to address any of this.
This one does not violate submission rules, and is also of historical significance as a precursor to yesterday's proof of the website being compromised. It is important that people can find the website owner's statements here that completely contradict their actions as demonstrated in the linked submission.
The 25k is a joke, theres actually no claim made on the page to debunk so would never stand in court. That's all just to boost traffic as all valuations are done on existing and projected traffic.
I know a few people that do similar tricks and 'social hacks' to boost valuations but I have never seen anyone sell their soul for it like this. Probably HRC trying to mop up the last few bob she can get outa her time in the limelight.
You can sign up completely anonymously with no email, so I don't see how it could be a honeypot. I still would create a new username and not reuse passwords of course.
Some information on the domain registry from the whois link:
Registrar Data Make Private
Registrant Contact Information:
NamePERFECT PRIVACY, LLC
Organization
Address12808 Gran Bay Pkwy West
CityJacksonville
State / ProvinceFL
Postal Code32258
CountryUS
Phone+1.9027492701
Email
Administrative Contact Information:
NamePERFECT PRIVACY, LLC
Organization
Address12808 Gran Bay Pkwy West
CityJacksonville
State / ProvinceFL
Postal Code32258
CountryUS
Phone+1.9027492701
Email
Technical Contact Information:
NamePERFECT PRIVACY, LLC
Organization
Address12808 Gran Bay Pkwy West
CityJacksonville
State / ProvinceFL
Postal Code32258
CountryUS
Phone+1.9027492701
Email
In other words, the WHOIS has been anonymized. This WHOIS information is the same as literally on thousands of domains bought and anonymized at the same registrar.
There was another Pizzagate in the UK in the early 2000s, when a famous football manager had a slice of pizza thrown at him and it hit him right in the face. So it could be from that: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29712118
I, too, believe the domain being registered in 2013 is surprisingly explainable by how domain services park things. This pizzaDOTcom guy's douchebaggery, however, about using other people's work for personal gain is a bit absurd.
I can tell you I almost purchased that domain myself for $50 and went with http://pizzagate.wiki instead at the last minute to save a little bit of money, so this guy is either a scam artist himself or was a victim. Nonetheless. Sketch.
Domain sharks habitually buy domains that make the slightest sense for cheap, for a potential big profit in the future as .com domains are incredibly limited at this point and you never know what simple domain, consisting of short English words, will sell for hundreds of dollars in a few years down the line. Maybe one of them saw a potential in the word "pizzagate" back in 2013, when it didn't mean anything. It wouldn't have been such a farfetched name for, say, a pizza restaurant. Just my two cents.
This is BS. Another person trying to profit off of this.
Domains cost about $15 to register for a year. Anything more than that is a money-making racket. Whoever or whatever has registered this domain, if they weren't willing to donate it to the cause, screw it.
This site has been pretty heavily promoted here on Voat for the past week or so and pulled out a lot of work from other researchers. Does the owner care to comment?
edit: Site is linked to title "Pizzagate researchers offering $25,000 to anyone who can debunk Pizzagate"
Yeah, it's weird. I would hope the owner would clarify things even if it's just good old disaster capitalism. There is a seller note "An important domain name for many reasons. Don't bid on this if you don't know what it is. Handle with care."
justwanttohelp ago
Wait, can we crowdsource the pizzagate site???
Millennial_Falcon ago
? I don't recall deleting any of your threads.
wecanhelp ago
So basically you don't trust anyone, so you'll give it to the first person who pays $2500 for it.
joeysaperv ago
Capitalsts aren't pigs. This sub is all about openness. The site has been heavily promoted here and quietly for sale.
Millennial_Falcon ago
I hope you can at least trust me, because I'm the one who wrote the summary sticky your site is based on.
Nobody is applying that label conclusively. The question needed to be raised, because you put the site up for auction without notifying us or explaining. Why didn't you give us a heads-up (particularly me, since I wrote the post your site is based on)? As for your options, IMO, any death threats being made are completely hollow. The cat is out of the bag on pizzagate. Your site is important, however, so selling to the highest bidder is a terrible option. If you are still afraid, I would suggest turning the domain over to someone trusted, and setting up a gofundme to repay your loss on the domain purchase. I and the other mods would be glad to let you link the gofundme here until your cost is repaid.
RebelSkum ago
I'm just saying at least start a dialogue. They've been helping me since the Voat mess on DynCorp, and they're willing to chat, so it's better than going in with nothing, eh? There's a handful of folks on the chat that run Disobedient Media too
wecanhelp ago
You've already said bye to the $2500 that you spent. Wasn't the goal to raise awareness? Your $2500 will continue to serve that goal whether or not the domain is under your name, as long as the new owner is someone the community trusts.
Since I'm a mod, I'm not the best person to tell you that some of the mods on here are actually trustworthy, but I do believe that since I do see what happens among them behind closed doors. If you don't trust that, there's still an option to give it to a trusted researcher or public figure already covering Pizzagate.
RebelSkum ago
This is true. The money's already gone if that's the case. It's just a matter of whether you want the site to remain in the community or go to Marlin Rando
wecanhelp ago
Thank you for addressing this.
From what I see, you've purchased the domain in order to help with the investigation and raising awareness of Pizzagate, which is a pretty selfless act.
These goals will continue to be pursued even if you pick someone trusted to transfer the domain to, free of charge. So unless you bought the domain as an investment, your balance in the end will be exactly the same whether you keep the domain for yourself or give it to someone who will keep it active. The only difference will be that it's not yours anymore, which is, based on what you're saying about the threats, what you want.
On the other hand, if you put it up for auction, literally anybody can grab it. Including, say, James Alefantis, or the mainstream media. Especially now that your site is trending, and is an excellent resource to introduce newcomers to the topic, that would be one of the the most harmful and irresponsible steps in the life of this investigation so far.
It is not a question to me that the right thing to do would be to give the domain to a trusted party without expecting anything in return, except for peace of mind.
RebelSkum ago
I'd hop on the Riot chat ASAP and get in touch with Mellenial_Falcon, Vindicator, and the like. Those are our best allies on this subverse so far and would be more than ready to help. Plus you got some other fine folks over there.
I'm even willing to help with whatever, just DON'T GIVE IT TO THE WRONG PEOPLE!
Come hit us up on the Riot chat: https://riot.im/app/#/room/#pizzagate:matrix.org
waxdino ago
Yay me, I never believed it!
Why would we move all our research unless we simply have to (like reddit, archive.is, sli.mg)? Stop falling for calls for money, personal info, or research. My two cents.
archons ago
So he may have been a shill, an opportunist, or they got to him and threatened him and he doesn't want the risk?
Alpo ago
All seem possible, so we shouldn't jump to any conclusions right away.
Vindicator ago
I will.
Womb_Raider ago
Let me know when you've done it, I want to see their response
Vindicator ago
I tweeted him.
Womb_Raider ago
I don't have a twitter and it's asking me to verify by number, tell him I'll take the domain and maintain it if he is giving it away. I don't mind being threatened.
Vindicator ago
We need to start shaming folks who publicize this site, on all channels. Call them out for plagiarizing other people's research and profiteering from it. This is disgusting behavior. Anyone care to do a deep dive and document what they have listed from where, and post it to this thread, so we can share the link as evidence?
@WeCanHelp @Millennial_Falcon @exposethecriminals @RebelSkum
RebelSkum ago
Technically all our information is public domain, and what was used was linked to us on pizzagate.com. See the section on "What is Pizzagate?" followed by the John Podesta/Tony Podesta/James Alefantis/Hillary Clinton columns. Just about word for word from us, but more-than adequately referenced to us.
RebelSkum ago
I should add I can't say anything about the folks at Disobedient Media, however, and their copyrights as well as David Seaman's. Certainly other people may be affected by this, but I'm afraid the Wiki would not by legal definition be a good example.
wecanhelp ago
I've flaired this as IMPORTANT because I believe that everybody needs to know what's going on.
pizzagate.com is being operated by @pizzagateDOTcom who has built it using the sourced information in the summary sticky. A move like this could easily compromise an otherwise excellent site, and is very irresponsible at this point when the domain is already well-known as a good source of Pizzagate-related information. For all you know, the buyer could update the current content tomorrow with a "$25,000 reward paid out: Pizzagate has been debunked" headline.
We're still waiting for @pizzagateDOTcom to address any of this.
justwanttohelp ago
You deleted my post (for fair reason it should have been in pizzagate/whatever), but you aren't going to delete this one now!!
Definitely, compromised!
wecanhelp ago
This one does not violate submission rules, and is also of historical significance as a precursor to yesterday's proof of the website being compromised. It is important that people can find the website owner's statements here that completely contradict their actions as demonstrated in the linked submission.
LostandFound ago
The 25k is a joke, theres actually no claim made on the page to debunk so would never stand in court. That's all just to boost traffic as all valuations are done on existing and projected traffic.
wecanhelp ago
You may be onto something.
LostandFound ago
I know a few people that do similar tricks and 'social hacks' to boost valuations but I have never seen anyone sell their soul for it like this. Probably HRC trying to mop up the last few bob she can get outa her time in the limelight.
DefenderOfTruth ago
According to the edits to the original post, seems like he fixed that:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1561491
You can sign up completely anonymously with no email, so I don't see how it could be a honeypot. I still would create a new username and not reuse passwords of course.
SecureYourSeats ago
This person is hardly better than the pervs themselves. Children are being destroyed and all they see is a chance to make money off of it. gag
TruthIsMyReligion ago
Just tried to comment but they wanted phone verification!
joeysaperv ago
Some information on the domain registry from the whois link:
Registrar Data Make Private Registrant Contact Information: NamePERFECT PRIVACY, LLC Organization Address12808 Gran Bay Pkwy West CityJacksonville State / ProvinceFL Postal Code32258 CountryUS Phone+1.9027492701 Email
Administrative Contact Information: NamePERFECT PRIVACY, LLC Organization Address12808 Gran Bay Pkwy West CityJacksonville State / ProvinceFL Postal Code32258 CountryUS Phone+1.9027492701 Email
Technical Contact Information: NamePERFECT PRIVACY, LLC Organization Address12808 Gran Bay Pkwy West CityJacksonville State / ProvinceFL Postal Code32258 CountryUS Phone+1.9027492701 Email
edit: link included https://who.is/whois/pizzagate.com
wecanhelp ago
In other words, the WHOIS has been anonymized. This WHOIS information is the same as literally on thousands of domains bought and anonymized at the same registrar.
TruthIsMyReligion ago
Relative info: http://www.speckygeek.com/why-not-buy-sites-on-flippa/
wecanhelp ago
Unfortunately this doesn't recommend against Flippa because ownership can be spoofed, and indeed, apparently it can't be.
Millennial_Falcon ago
So this dude took our work just to profit off it? WTF? @pizzagateDOTcom What do you have to say for yourself?
reasonedandinformed ago
Why was it registered in 2013, over 3 years prior to the term being coined?? Seems a bit fishy/planned.
SpikyAube ago
There was another Pizzagate in the UK in the early 2000s, when a famous football manager had a slice of pizza thrown at him and it hit him right in the face. So it could be from that: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29712118
justwanttohelp ago
its obvious then that this guy made the site hoping it would sell one day and now he wants to make a shitload of money
reasonedandinformed ago
OK.
RebelSkum ago
I, too, believe the domain being registered in 2013 is surprisingly explainable by how domain services park things. This pizzaDOTcom guy's douchebaggery, however, about using other people's work for personal gain is a bit absurd.
I can tell you I almost purchased that domain myself for $50 and went with http://pizzagate.wiki instead at the last minute to save a little bit of money, so this guy is either a scam artist himself or was a victim. Nonetheless. Sketch.
wecanhelp ago
Domain sharks habitually buy domains that make the slightest sense for cheap, for a potential big profit in the future as .com domains are incredibly limited at this point and you never know what simple domain, consisting of short English words, will sell for hundreds of dollars in a few years down the line. Maybe one of them saw a potential in the word "pizzagate" back in 2013, when it didn't mean anything. It wouldn't have been such a farfetched name for, say, a pizza restaurant. Just my two cents.
joeysaperv ago
yeah, this is disturbing on a lot of levels
zzvoat ago
OUT! OUT! OUT!
This is BS. Another person trying to profit off of this.
Domains cost about $15 to register for a year. Anything more than that is a money-making racket. Whoever or whatever has registered this domain, if they weren't willing to donate it to the cause, screw it.
Even if they were willing to donate it, screw it.
Stay away from this crap, people.
wecanhelp ago
Flippa verifies ownership of the site before an auction is activated. The seller is apparently really the owner.
EQJ ago
Well fuck. Alefantis will buy that shit and delete it. That's chump change to him. Owner, if you see this msg, please vett who you sell it to!!!!
jackthyme ago
We can do better.
https://citizeninvestigators.org
ploppy ago
??????
joeysaperv ago
This site has been pretty heavily promoted here on Voat for the past week or so and pulled out a lot of work from other researchers. Does the owner care to comment?
edit: Site is linked to title "Pizzagate researchers offering $25,000 to anyone who can debunk Pizzagate"
Nana66 ago
I was thinking what if they plan to have someone claim the reward and then call it debunked in some vague way.
dindonufin ago
nothing is verified. is it a legit auction?
wecanhelp ago
Flippa verifies ownership of the site before an auction is activated. Sadly this seems to be real.
dindonufin ago
This is what I was wondering...
joeysaperv ago
Go to: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1571921
Click on the main link to get to: http://pizzagate.com/
Click "View the live auction" to get to: https://flippa.com/7906106-pizzagate-com
Site info: https://flippa.com/7906106-pizzagate-com#listing-site-info
dindonufin ago
dont see anything that says the actual (verified) owner of the site has listed it for sale
joeysaperv ago
Yeah, it's weird. I would hope the owner would clarify things even if it's just good old disaster capitalism. There is a seller note "An important domain name for many reasons. Don't bid on this if you don't know what it is. Handle with care."