You guys realize that it's impossible to prove a negative, right? If you're the ones making the claim that something fishy is going on then the burden of proof falls on your head.
No, no, you see the point is that there are government agencies claiming to have debunked pizzagate, and media is citing that claim. So this group is saying "Very well, if you've done it, simply show us by what logic you debunked it and we'll give you money"
The burden of proof is on you, and so far the best that you've shown (as far as I'm aware) is that Podesta himself is creepy. You've shown nothing beyond circumstantial for any of the other claims that I've seen, and that circumstantial evidence is predicated on common words being some kind of secret pedophile code (which some of those words are, but they also have their normal meanings) and a 4chan post from a year or so ago actually being written by an FBI agent.
Long story short: you guys are claiming that there is a vast pedophile conspiracy and you're citing your own lack of evidence as proof that there is a vast pedophile conspiracy.
Ah, the burden on proof is on the investigators... unless, of course, someone comes out asserting the claim that they have personally debunked said investigation. That means they have found something that clearly points to the investigation being false.
I want to know what specifically has them convinced, yet they won't share.
Aren't you the least bit curious? Or are you just looking to be dismissive? I never cited a lack of evidence, you're making assertions I have nothing to do with.
I want to know what specifically has them convinced, yet they won't share.
You seem to not get the fact that it's impossible to prove a negative. This is a very important idea that underpins our criminal justice system. Unless I'm mistaken you are claiming that the burden of proof falls on investigators proving that nothing happened. Is that correct?
If it is, would you please provide me with concrete proof that unicorns do not exist?
You seem to not get the fact that it's impossible to prove a negative.
I'm telling you that people have made the claim they did. That's where the media has been citing the "pizzagate is fake" stories. Then other media outlets cite other media outlets, and the origin is... nobody has debunked this, nobody has investigated this.
Outside of specifically the NYPD and the FBI, no law enforcement has touched this investigation. It was known about for some time.
You're right, nobody has turned up any 100% irrefutable, hard evidence, but there sure is a whooole lot of circumstantial evidence and not to mention the code language in the podesta emails. That code was for the trafficking of something, whether it be innocent food items, drugs, weapons, or people.
If you want to debate that, lets go ahead. But otherwise, it feels like you're just trying to shut down the legitimacy of the investigation without taking a hard, sincere look at it.
Yeah, anyone claiming to have debunked it is full of shit, but so is anyone claiming to have proven it at this point.
I followed it a bit at first. Nothing ever came of it. Now I just check in occasionally to see if anything concrete has been found. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys did find something, but as time goes on it's seeming less likely that you're going to find anything.
If it is going on I would love to see it busted up, I'm just saying that it's seeming less and less likely. All of that being said I am convinced that Podesta himself is a pedophile given his taste in art.
Have you not heard of the Norway connection, the Clinton Foundations work in Haiti, Alefantis' Museum called Pegasus? I think all of those leads are solid, and only make the investigation more interesting... not less so.
Still proves nothing, but it does look awfully suspicious.
No. It looks suspicious no matter what they were discussing. I said "either they were trafficking innocent food, drugs, weapons, or people"
And at any rate, it deserves a real investigation. Obama spending over 50,000 for a single event's food.... and that food is pizza and hot dogs? Flown in from Chicago? You can't believe shit like that would really happen... do you?
Either they were in fact just overspending on food (are our leaders such fools?) or they were doing something illegal.
Did you see me say it's a pedophile code? I said it's code for something nefarious.
I'm getting bothered by you asserting that I've said things which I have not.
Edit: I'm done talking to you, you're getting on my nerves. Do some of the investigating for yourself. Don't just brush things aside without effort, as you have been and are doing. Good day.
Outstanding work! To help readers, I recommend a tweak on the graphics in your Wikileaks section: the dark teal borders on the left tend to obscure the links. Make links easier to see by lightening or changing colors, for greater contrast.
Please I hope someone has a screen cap of luzzatos weird blog where she advertises "raw and uncut" camera time with her youngest. Then paired off with the email about the children being pimped out as entertainment. That in itself should be the nail in the coffin for those doubting.
There is also strange talk of “demolishing children and grandchildren”.
The “demolishing children and grandchildren” claim on pizzagate.com...c'mon. Read the e-mail in context because that was not said:
Lo and behold, instead of pasta and wonderful sauces, it
was a lovely, tempting assortment of cheeses, Yummy.
I am awaiting the return of my children and grandchildren from their holiday travels so that we can demolish them.
It's the "assortment of cheeses" he's referring to demolishing, not his children/grandchildren.
I agree it is a weird email that very likely is being worded in codes, but it doesn't help the cause to put this discrepancy as a supporting point on pizzagate.com.
Overall this is a great collection of information and put in simple, to-the-point terms.
But a thought nags the back of my mind: We haven't PROVEN pizzagate to be real ourselves. We know something is up but we have no proof of anything.
The problem with this is their definition of pizzagate is not that it's not objective. It's that their definition is not even really tangible. It's just a rabbit hole based on their interpretation of artwork or instagram comments. How is one supposed to debunk a rabbit hole? By putting their interpretation as basis of their claims, they leave themselves room to weasel out of paying the reward.
For example what is there to debunk about this?
Some kind of inside joke regarding the buying/selling of small infants. Considering the child trafficking connections we will cover further down this page, most of us don’t find this funny.
How does one "debunk" that. Here's a joke they made. We think it's not funny but sinister? Is the debunker supposed to say, you do find it funny?
Skimming their site, I did see one think that was listed as a statement of objective fact that is wrong, but most of the items on their list are not verifiable.
Up at the top, they say you earn the award if you debunk every accusation. But mostly they are not making accusations.
If they are making a claim that John Podesta and James Alefantis are pedophiles and child traffickers they should come out and say so.
Yes its hard to prove a negative, which is why i made my suggestion in a comment below: the debunking should be contingent on providing an example of any alternative community to the pedo one that uses the same or similar code-words in an innocuous /innocent manner, which enables readers to make sense of the indisputable code-word communications in podesta's emails.
This is terrific. I continue to spread the word on social media. I believe that Trump is aware but he has a big job ahead. The more public outrage, the easier for the good guys in government to do their job.
spectacular work
Can I recommend though the reward offer be partially conditional on debunking the code - i.e. to get the reward the debunker has to cite evidence of similar words being used by a non-pedo community in contexts that make podesta's emails seem explainable and innocuous
Been following here a long time. The website is great. Awesome job! And the research here thorough. I just wanted to share my POV. I would drop Trump from the beginning paragraph to consistently make an effort for bipartisanship. I know the website articulated that very well, but I think just seeing Trumps name when you land on the site might turn some people away. Just hoping this reaches as many people as possible.
Really great site! Isn't there a photo with John Podesta standing right in front of the cannibalism artwork? To me that photo is so much more damning than just a photo of the artwork. Just my 2 cents! Again though really great site!
Saw this yesterday and read through. Went in to it viewing as a skeptic- esp. With $25k dangling over the link- but it was well thought out and well executed. I think it could convince some real nonbelievers to AT LEAST want an investigation
No one with any kind of power is going to take this seriously. It's impossible to prove a negative. Don't believe me? Offer concrete proof that unicorns don't exist.
That is a really fantastic job and probably the best easy layout I've seen on the matter, but I feel like there's still a fair bit more that could be added to that to beef it up even more. I hope they do.
Nice visual skillz but no cigar. "There is a $25,000 reward to anybody who can successfully debunk every pizzagate accusation on Pizzagate.com." It is simply impossible to debunk every Pizzagate accusation because there are too many and they are too vague -- this is just grandstanding. If someone has $25,000 to put on this, they should hire an licensed, politically reliable Private Investigator with experience in nailing child traffickers.
They'll make up some bullshit like what Wikipedia did and then go to court over it and steal the $25,000 saying it's debunked over a few small facts. Luckily this is all U.S. based so usually a trial by jury is involved and not some corrupt judge.
I think this is an all inclusive description of why we have been able to continue the investigation and not given up. There is solid evidence not just conjecture. We have not forced this upon people. They can discover and investigate our site at their own free will. This is a really great way for them to see it all in a short quick format. Really great work. I looked at all of it including the sources. One thing I noticed missing was a picture of Marina Abramovic.
I didn't read this, so my complaint my be invalid, but it seems like that fallacy think about not being able to prove that something doesn't exist. You can prove what does exist and do that a bunch until you've got a pretty good idea of what doesn't exist, but you can't really prove that somewhere out of sight, things aren't different and that the thing for sure doesn't exist there. It's possible to prove allegations, but without hard proof of the allegations, how do you prove that they aren't just eccentrics who are innocent of the allegations, although not innocent of being eccentric, which generally isn't illegal? Anyway, despite the difficulty, I hope the truth does get proven. Well, if the truth is that they're harming people, I hope that gets proven. And if they're innocent of harming anyone and proving that they'le innocent is possible without destroying them, I hope that happens, but if they're innocent of harming anyone and "proving" the negative would destroy their lives, then I actually hope it doesn't get proven, because I wouldn't want my life ruined over false allegations just because I may be innocently different than normies in private.
Well since you didn't read this that explains why you misunderstand it. I guess I'll take my own time to explain it to you since you yourself were too lazy to find out for yourself, which then begs the question why are you here and why would you spend so much time making a long comment when you didn't want to spend the actual time to RTA. So what they say that they will do is pay you 25,000 dollars cold hard cash, if you can debunk ANY OF THE CLAIMS MADE ON THE WEBSITE. So if you can prove that John podesta didn't send the emails, you get the money, if you can prove jimmycomet never posted any instagram photos then you get 25k... there are plenty of claims there so go for it, but they are also all very solid claims so doubt anyone is collecting it any time soon. I wonder how many child slaves 25k buys...
Funny that you should so piously lecture someone, for making a philosophical point, on their apparent "laziness" while glossing over some painfully obviously details set forth in the terms of the offer:
"There is a $25,000 reward to anybody who can successfully debunk every pizzagate accusation on Pizzagate.com."
Operative word here is "EVERY" as opposed to "ANY" as you so clearly indicated in your response. A seemingly trivial detail I assure you, yet somehow oddly significant in terms of legal contracts.
The other important gaff you made was in your apparent inability to form a distinction between the word "claim" and "accusation" (within the same sentence) as the offer so unambiguously states. An accusation, by its nature, tends to have a much more limited scope and higher burden of proof than a claim and is therefor usually far easier to debunk in the legal sense.
This idea or offer, while probably well meaning, could very easily backfire and cause all kinds of unintended legal consequences because of a technicality. It is my humble opinion that the needs of this community (meaning those of us who aren't perverts) would have better been served had the author of this thread attempted to pool the resources of the community beforehand so that they could have collected the best sources and evidence before making their offer.
Thanks! My excuse is that I'm a bit stressed today, so I'm mostly just using Voat as a temporary distraction to take a bit of the edge off, so I'm kind of just writing to write, not because I'm invested in what I'm writing about. But I might have done the same even if I wasn't stressed, so it's probably not much of an excuse. In any case, thanks for reading and replying so that I could distract myself for another few minutes.
Well when you put it like that, lol! But no, I come for interesting headlines across all topics. It supposedly releases dopamine or something. It's often quite addicting, but when I'm doing well it's not at all addicting. Half mindlessly replying to comments is just part of the process, it doesn't really have anything to do with this subverse specifically, this headline just caught my eye.
Sorry -- it doesn't say ANY it says EVERY -- which is probably impossible, Reading is not much help if you don't see the big difference between any and every.
Certainly big difference, surely it's a ploy to throw a big number out and get attention. But it is attention needed and considering the underhanded tactics we have seen used against the research it seems legal to me, it's asking for the information to be proven wrong. I do like the previous suggestion that they remove any bias in the lower parts
This is great. I think it would be even better if the tone used at the beginning was used throughout the whole site. When I get to the images, I notice that the language begins to lose it's purely matter-of-fact and objective nature, and takes on tendencies that seem to try lead the reader to conclusions rather than letting the facts speak for themselves. Thank you for your energy and work, carry on!
Womb_Raider ago
If he's really being threatened (no proof offered) then yes, it definitely is.
Womb_Raider ago
He said they began with that one CBS local reporter started breaking the story yesterday or the day before, yeah.
Womb_Raider ago
The owner is looking to sell or give away the domain, supposedly due to threats. I am trying to acquire it.
Womb_Raider ago
@HopingToHelp Stop advertising for these people. They're selling their domain, seems they were just profiteering from the get-go.
joeysaperv ago
Why is the website for sale?
xev ago
Can I get like 1k off that for being me?
oedipusaurus_rex ago
You guys realize that it's impossible to prove a negative, right? If you're the ones making the claim that something fishy is going on then the burden of proof falls on your head.
Womb_Raider ago
No, no, you see the point is that there are government agencies claiming to have debunked pizzagate, and media is citing that claim. So this group is saying "Very well, if you've done it, simply show us by what logic you debunked it and we'll give you money"
I think it makes perfect sense
oedipusaurus_rex ago
The logic is easy.
The burden of proof is on you, and so far the best that you've shown (as far as I'm aware) is that Podesta himself is creepy. You've shown nothing beyond circumstantial for any of the other claims that I've seen, and that circumstantial evidence is predicated on common words being some kind of secret pedophile code (which some of those words are, but they also have their normal meanings) and a 4chan post from a year or so ago actually being written by an FBI agent.
Long story short: you guys are claiming that there is a vast pedophile conspiracy and you're citing your own lack of evidence as proof that there is a vast pedophile conspiracy.
Womb_Raider ago
Ah, the burden on proof is on the investigators... unless, of course, someone comes out asserting the claim that they have personally debunked said investigation. That means they have found something that clearly points to the investigation being false.
I want to know what specifically has them convinced, yet they won't share.
Aren't you the least bit curious? Or are you just looking to be dismissive? I never cited a lack of evidence, you're making assertions I have nothing to do with.
oedipusaurus_rex ago
You seem to not get the fact that it's impossible to prove a negative. This is a very important idea that underpins our criminal justice system. Unless I'm mistaken you are claiming that the burden of proof falls on investigators proving that nothing happened. Is that correct?
If it is, would you please provide me with concrete proof that unicorns do not exist?
Womb_Raider ago
I'm telling you that people have made the claim they did. That's where the media has been citing the "pizzagate is fake" stories. Then other media outlets cite other media outlets, and the origin is... nobody has debunked this, nobody has investigated this.
Outside of specifically the NYPD and the FBI, no law enforcement has touched this investigation. It was known about for some time.
You're right, nobody has turned up any 100% irrefutable, hard evidence, but there sure is a whooole lot of circumstantial evidence and not to mention the code language in the podesta emails. That code was for the trafficking of something, whether it be innocent food items, drugs, weapons, or people.
If you want to debate that, lets go ahead. But otherwise, it feels like you're just trying to shut down the legitimacy of the investigation without taking a hard, sincere look at it.
oedipusaurus_rex ago
I see what you're saying now.
Yeah, anyone claiming to have debunked it is full of shit, but so is anyone claiming to have proven it at this point.
I followed it a bit at first. Nothing ever came of it. Now I just check in occasionally to see if anything concrete has been found. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys did find something, but as time goes on it's seeming less likely that you're going to find anything.
If it is going on I would love to see it busted up, I'm just saying that it's seeming less and less likely. All of that being said I am convinced that Podesta himself is a pedophile given his taste in art.
Womb_Raider ago
Have you not heard of the Norway connection, the Clinton Foundations work in Haiti, Alefantis' Museum called Pegasus? I think all of those leads are solid, and only make the investigation more interesting... not less so.
Still proves nothing, but it does look awfully suspicious.
oedipusaurus_rex ago
It looks very suspicious if you already believe that they were talking about trafficking children in code.
Womb_Raider ago
No. It looks suspicious no matter what they were discussing. I said "either they were trafficking innocent food, drugs, weapons, or people"
And at any rate, it deserves a real investigation. Obama spending over 50,000 for a single event's food.... and that food is pizza and hot dogs? Flown in from Chicago? You can't believe shit like that would really happen... do you?
Either they were in fact just overspending on food (are our leaders such fools?) or they were doing something illegal.
oedipusaurus_rex ago
Trafficking innocent food could also be said "ordering food".
Womb_Raider ago
Dude. $65,000 for one party? Pizza? Hotdogs? $65,000 dollars?
Or how about the email: "Do you think I would be better at playing dominoes on pizza or on pasta?"
How do you explain that away?
oedipusaurus_rex ago
I don't. Neither do you though.
What exactly is playing dominoes on pizza mean. What does playing dominoes on pasta mean?
Womb_Raider ago
That's the point. They're talking in code, obviously. What the code means is a mystery.
oedipusaurus_rex ago
If it's a mystery to you, then why are you claiming that it's a pedophile code?
Womb_Raider ago
Did you see me say it's a pedophile code? I said it's code for something nefarious.
I'm getting bothered by you asserting that I've said things which I have not.
Edit: I'm done talking to you, you're getting on my nerves. Do some of the investigating for yourself. Don't just brush things aside without effort, as you have been and are doing. Good day.
oedipusaurus_rex ago
bye
Aldo ago
Didn't some guy already walk in with a gun looking for evidence and couldn't find anything?
Concernedcitizen2 ago
nothing about frank giustra or elpida factory on that site...
TimesUp ago
Outstanding work! To help readers, I recommend a tweak on the graphics in your Wikileaks section: the dark teal borders on the left tend to obscure the links. Make links easier to see by lightening or changing colors, for greater contrast.
AmishMechWarrior ago
Offer this bounty to any cops or federal agents that will look in to it. Could motivate them to actually investigate it....
DustyRadio ago
Did I miss mention of the Obama "pizza and hotdogs flown in using the usual channels" email or did they not cite it?
wecanhelp ago
This is absolutely fantastic.
Pwner1775 ago
you shouldn't use clickbaity pictures of the accused people like fake news
wokethefkup ago
Please I hope someone has a screen cap of luzzatos weird blog where she advertises "raw and uncut" camera time with her youngest. Then paired off with the email about the children being pimped out as entertainment. That in itself should be the nail in the coffin for those doubting.
Sheilaaliens ago
The pink blog right? Just saw it a minute ago, it's out there.
DustyRadio ago
This exactly. That and the beanie baby email are to me the most damning.
wokethefkup ago
Yes! omg I almost forgot about the beanie baby email. Freakn creepy as hell definitely seemed like business that was coded.
Sheilaaliens ago
Quote from pizzagate.com:
The “demolishing children and grandchildren” claim on pizzagate.com...c'mon. Read the e-mail in context because that was not said:
It's the "assortment of cheeses" he's referring to demolishing, not his children/grandchildren. I agree it is a weird email that very likely is being worded in codes, but it doesn't help the cause to put this discrepancy as a supporting point on pizzagate.com.
Overall this is a great collection of information and put in simple, to-the-point terms.
But a thought nags the back of my mind: We haven't PROVEN pizzagate to be real ourselves. We know something is up but we have no proof of anything.
AreWeSure ago
This, right here ought to worth $450. Clearly debunked.
Sheilaaliens ago
Heh, I'll take that in the form of gold bullion (:
AreWeSure ago
The problem with this is their definition of pizzagate is not that it's not objective. It's that their definition is not even really tangible. It's just a rabbit hole based on their interpretation of artwork or instagram comments. How is one supposed to debunk a rabbit hole? By putting their interpretation as basis of their claims, they leave themselves room to weasel out of paying the reward.
For example what is there to debunk about this?
How does one "debunk" that. Here's a joke they made. We think it's not funny but sinister? Is the debunker supposed to say, you do find it funny?
Skimming their site, I did see one think that was listed as a statement of objective fact that is wrong, but most of the items on their list are not verifiable.
Up at the top, they say you earn the award if you debunk every accusation. But mostly they are not making accusations. If they are making a claim that John Podesta and James Alefantis are pedophiles and child traffickers they should come out and say so.
MolochHunter ago
Yes its hard to prove a negative, which is why i made my suggestion in a comment below: the debunking should be contingent on providing an example of any alternative community to the pedo one that uses the same or similar code-words in an innocuous /innocent manner, which enables readers to make sense of the indisputable code-word communications in podesta's emails.
tehthu ago
Perhaps they could make an additional offer to anyone who is capable of getting real questions on record from JA, JP or TP.
Good fucking luck :)
tehthu ago
Excellent idea. The text will be incorruptible and once the IPFS gets up and running, we'll have audio and video clouds on a blockchain.
Bill_Murrays_Sandals ago
Good. Let this levee break for fuck sake.
Pizzagate is akin to edging for an hour. I just wanna shoot my justice and truth all over the show 🐸
Kwijibo ago
Anyone know who owns/runs that site?
Checked ago
This is terrific. I continue to spread the word on social media. I believe that Trump is aware but he has a big job ahead. The more public outrage, the easier for the good guys in government to do their job.
MolochHunter ago
spectacular work Can I recommend though the reward offer be partially conditional on debunking the code - i.e. to get the reward the debunker has to cite evidence of similar words being used by a non-pedo community in contexts that make podesta's emails seem explainable and innocuous
AreWeSure ago
I can do it with pasta with walnut sauce.
WastedF ago
Can we crowdfund this challenge? Ill throw in another $1000 to the challenge
abcdefg222 ago
Been following here a long time. The website is great. Awesome job! And the research here thorough. I just wanted to share my POV. I would drop Trump from the beginning paragraph to consistently make an effort for bipartisanship. I know the website articulated that very well, but I think just seeing Trumps name when you land on the site might turn some people away. Just hoping this reaches as many people as possible.
wokethefkup ago
True ppl need to remember it's not about who you voted for its about the corrupt shit going on and the bigger picture is the children.
TheRedPi11 ago
@HopingToHelp Shouldn't the part about JA threatening pizzagategear be there? It's one of the most incriminating things about JA, no?
TheRedPi11 ago
@HopingToHelp At least 10 of your images are missing on that page.
nmgoh2 ago
Because these guys have such a great reputation when it comes to accepting evidence against their narrative.
Selnee ago
Really great site! Isn't there a photo with John Podesta standing right in front of the cannibalism artwork? To me that photo is so much more damning than just a photo of the artwork. Just my 2 cents! Again though really great site!
DevilintheDetails ago
I thought this too, and isn't that one in his office? - he loves to throw it in your face doesn't he..
Selnee ago
Yes! The one in his office! I really think that photo speaks volumes.
AreWeSure ago
Is anyone actually offended by that painting?
FriesischShipping ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ycDWywGls
DevilintheDetails ago
Saw this yesterday and read through. Went in to it viewing as a skeptic- esp. With $25k dangling over the link- but it was well thought out and well executed. I think it could convince some real nonbelievers to AT LEAST want an investigation
oedipusaurus_rex ago
No one with any kind of power is going to take this seriously. It's impossible to prove a negative. Don't believe me? Offer concrete proof that unicorns don't exist.
dickface8 ago
That is a really fantastic job and probably the best easy layout I've seen on the matter, but I feel like there's still a fair bit more that could be added to that to beef it up even more. I hope they do.
Selnee ago
I agree!
MolochHunter ago
breitbarts tweet. Monica Peterson. dennis hastert. nancy schaefer. etc etc
hatersgonnasay ago
What pizzagate? Pizza doesn't have gates!
I'll take my 25grand now
Astrodreamer ago
Nice visual skillz but no cigar. "There is a $25,000 reward to anybody who can successfully debunk every pizzagate accusation on Pizzagate.com." It is simply impossible to debunk every Pizzagate accusation because there are too many and they are too vague -- this is just grandstanding. If someone has $25,000 to put on this, they should hire an licensed, politically reliable Private Investigator with experience in nailing child traffickers.
FriesischShipping ago
What a coincidence! Ed Operman offered to do it for 25k!
tjarco ago
but, but, but didn't the MSM already debunk it? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0eehQOUAAAOqC-.jpg
\troll off
Nagga ago
They'll make up some bullshit like what Wikipedia did and then go to court over it and steal the $25,000 saying it's debunked over a few small facts. Luckily this is all U.S. based so usually a trial by jury is involved and not some corrupt judge.
WeWillWin ago
Well done to whoever set up that website, looks great, and for the reward too.
NotAnIdiot ago
Here you go Alefantis. This should be the easiest 25k you've ever made if you're innocent.
redditsuckz ago
He just made 25K...;
http://archive.is/vLJ6O
https://www.gofundme.com/support-cometpingpong
scared_yung_father ago
Ugh it's sad really.
blumeanie ago
Someone please make a donation and leave this in the comment.
NotAnIdiot ago
He could make another easy 25k then.
vector3rector ago
That's a big list of pedophile associates that GoFundMe, now has.
remedy4reality ago
It would be the most honest 25k he ever made, for sure.
Nana66 ago
Well...not if it's not a real debunk.
vector3rector ago
He only likes to be the bottom bunk 😉
remedy4reality ago
you need to turn up your sarcasm detector a notch or two
Nana66 ago
😉
carmencita ago
I think this is an all inclusive description of why we have been able to continue the investigation and not given up. There is solid evidence not just conjecture. We have not forced this upon people. They can discover and investigate our site at their own free will. This is a really great way for them to see it all in a short quick format. Really great work. I looked at all of it including the sources. One thing I noticed missing was a picture of Marina Abramovic.
DrumpfBTFO ago
That's a brilliant idea. This will drive some people trying to disprove it, and hopefully start to question on which side of the story to believe.
joeysaperv ago
Nice. I like the improvements.
varialus ago
I didn't read this, so my complaint my be invalid, but it seems like that fallacy think about not being able to prove that something doesn't exist. You can prove what does exist and do that a bunch until you've got a pretty good idea of what doesn't exist, but you can't really prove that somewhere out of sight, things aren't different and that the thing for sure doesn't exist there. It's possible to prove allegations, but without hard proof of the allegations, how do you prove that they aren't just eccentrics who are innocent of the allegations, although not innocent of being eccentric, which generally isn't illegal? Anyway, despite the difficulty, I hope the truth does get proven. Well, if the truth is that they're harming people, I hope that gets proven. And if they're innocent of harming anyone and proving that they'le innocent is possible without destroying them, I hope that happens, but if they're innocent of harming anyone and "proving" the negative would destroy their lives, then I actually hope it doesn't get proven, because I wouldn't want my life ruined over false allegations just because I may be innocently different than normies in private.
Fateswebb ago
Well since you didn't read this that explains why you misunderstand it. I guess I'll take my own time to explain it to you since you yourself were too lazy to find out for yourself, which then begs the question why are you here and why would you spend so much time making a long comment when you didn't want to spend the actual time to RTA. So what they say that they will do is pay you 25,000 dollars cold hard cash, if you can debunk ANY OF THE CLAIMS MADE ON THE WEBSITE. So if you can prove that John podesta didn't send the emails, you get the money, if you can prove jimmycomet never posted any instagram photos then you get 25k... there are plenty of claims there so go for it, but they are also all very solid claims so doubt anyone is collecting it any time soon. I wonder how many child slaves 25k buys...
thestormking ago
Funny that you should so piously lecture someone, for making a philosophical point, on their apparent "laziness" while glossing over some painfully obviously details set forth in the terms of the offer:
"There is a $25,000 reward to anybody who can successfully debunk every pizzagate accusation on Pizzagate.com."
Operative word here is "EVERY" as opposed to "ANY" as you so clearly indicated in your response. A seemingly trivial detail I assure you, yet somehow oddly significant in terms of legal contracts.
The other important gaff you made was in your apparent inability to form a distinction between the word "claim" and "accusation" (within the same sentence) as the offer so unambiguously states. An accusation, by its nature, tends to have a much more limited scope and higher burden of proof than a claim and is therefor usually far easier to debunk in the legal sense.
This idea or offer, while probably well meaning, could very easily backfire and cause all kinds of unintended legal consequences because of a technicality. It is my humble opinion that the needs of this community (meaning those of us who aren't perverts) would have better been served had the author of this thread attempted to pool the resources of the community beforehand so that they could have collected the best sources and evidence before making their offer.
Fateswebb ago
Hey, true that, my bad I did misinterpret it, and agree with the rest that you said as well.
thestormking ago
It happens.
Water_Thug ago
Wow, you read it and still managed to sound like a fucking retard.
Fateswebb ago
My misinterpretation of it when relating it to you, is certainly still more accurate than your assumptions about it when not reading it...
Water_Thug ago
Oh I read it. I'm not that other guy.
varialus ago
Thanks! My excuse is that I'm a bit stressed today, so I'm mostly just using Voat as a temporary distraction to take a bit of the edge off, so I'm kind of just writing to write, not because I'm invested in what I'm writing about. But I might have done the same even if I wasn't stressed, so it's probably not much of an excuse. In any case, thanks for reading and replying so that I could distract myself for another few minutes.
thestormking ago
Let me get this straight. You come to forums to read up on child abuse so you can take "the edge off"?
varialus ago
Well when you put it like that, lol! But no, I come for interesting headlines across all topics. It supposedly releases dopamine or something. It's often quite addicting, but when I'm doing well it's not at all addicting. Half mindlessly replying to comments is just part of the process, it doesn't really have anything to do with this subverse specifically, this headline just caught my eye.
thestormking ago
Translation: Well when you put it like that no but it releases dopamine, which is pleasurable, so yes.
I'm just glad you find child abuse so amusing and uplifting. (That's sarcasm for those of you less subtle types.)
varialus ago
Your translation is bad. Really no good. A Chinaman could do better. Just sad!
thestormking ago
Aaw. : (
Fateswebb ago
Hey man to each his own. Some might would call it precipitation theory idk...
Astrodreamer ago
Sorry -- it doesn't say ANY it says EVERY -- which is probably impossible, Reading is not much help if you don't see the big difference between any and every.
Fateswebb ago
Certainly big difference, surely it's a ploy to throw a big number out and get attention. But it is attention needed and considering the underhanded tactics we have seen used against the research it seems legal to me, it's asking for the information to be proven wrong. I do like the previous suggestion that they remove any bias in the lower parts
Hooliganscat ago
This is great!
rooting4redpillers ago
This is great. I think it would be even better if the tone used at the beginning was used throughout the whole site. When I get to the images, I notice that the language begins to lose it's purely matter-of-fact and objective nature, and takes on tendencies that seem to try lead the reader to conclusions rather than letting the facts speak for themselves. Thank you for your energy and work, carry on!
tehthu ago
Saw the same and agree. There's a place for that, but not on a definitive summary.
The $$ is awesome and it's a reusable giant middle finger to anyone calling you crazy for even entertaining this idea.
bopper ago
Somebody did a good job.