You guys realize that it's impossible to prove a negative, right? If you're the ones making the claim that something fishy is going on then the burden of proof falls on your head.
No, no, you see the point is that there are government agencies claiming to have debunked pizzagate, and media is citing that claim. So this group is saying "Very well, if you've done it, simply show us by what logic you debunked it and we'll give you money"
The burden of proof is on you, and so far the best that you've shown (as far as I'm aware) is that Podesta himself is creepy. You've shown nothing beyond circumstantial for any of the other claims that I've seen, and that circumstantial evidence is predicated on common words being some kind of secret pedophile code (which some of those words are, but they also have their normal meanings) and a 4chan post from a year or so ago actually being written by an FBI agent.
Long story short: you guys are claiming that there is a vast pedophile conspiracy and you're citing your own lack of evidence as proof that there is a vast pedophile conspiracy.
Ah, the burden on proof is on the investigators... unless, of course, someone comes out asserting the claim that they have personally debunked said investigation. That means they have found something that clearly points to the investigation being false.
I want to know what specifically has them convinced, yet they won't share.
Aren't you the least bit curious? Or are you just looking to be dismissive? I never cited a lack of evidence, you're making assertions I have nothing to do with.
I want to know what specifically has them convinced, yet they won't share.
You seem to not get the fact that it's impossible to prove a negative. This is a very important idea that underpins our criminal justice system. Unless I'm mistaken you are claiming that the burden of proof falls on investigators proving that nothing happened. Is that correct?
If it is, would you please provide me with concrete proof that unicorns do not exist?
You seem to not get the fact that it's impossible to prove a negative.
I'm telling you that people have made the claim they did. That's where the media has been citing the "pizzagate is fake" stories. Then other media outlets cite other media outlets, and the origin is... nobody has debunked this, nobody has investigated this.
Outside of specifically the NYPD and the FBI, no law enforcement has touched this investigation. It was known about for some time.
You're right, nobody has turned up any 100% irrefutable, hard evidence, but there sure is a whooole lot of circumstantial evidence and not to mention the code language in the podesta emails. That code was for the trafficking of something, whether it be innocent food items, drugs, weapons, or people.
If you want to debate that, lets go ahead. But otherwise, it feels like you're just trying to shut down the legitimacy of the investigation without taking a hard, sincere look at it.
Yeah, anyone claiming to have debunked it is full of shit, but so is anyone claiming to have proven it at this point.
I followed it a bit at first. Nothing ever came of it. Now I just check in occasionally to see if anything concrete has been found. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys did find something, but as time goes on it's seeming less likely that you're going to find anything.
If it is going on I would love to see it busted up, I'm just saying that it's seeming less and less likely. All of that being said I am convinced that Podesta himself is a pedophile given his taste in art.
Have you not heard of the Norway connection, the Clinton Foundations work in Haiti, Alefantis' Museum called Pegasus? I think all of those leads are solid, and only make the investigation more interesting... not less so.
Still proves nothing, but it does look awfully suspicious.
No. It looks suspicious no matter what they were discussing. I said "either they were trafficking innocent food, drugs, weapons, or people"
And at any rate, it deserves a real investigation. Obama spending over 50,000 for a single event's food.... and that food is pizza and hot dogs? Flown in from Chicago? You can't believe shit like that would really happen... do you?
Either they were in fact just overspending on food (are our leaders such fools?) or they were doing something illegal.
Did you see me say it's a pedophile code? I said it's code for something nefarious.
I'm getting bothered by you asserting that I've said things which I have not.
Edit: I'm done talking to you, you're getting on my nerves. Do some of the investigating for yourself. Don't just brush things aside without effort, as you have been and are doing. Good day.
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oedipusaurus_rex ago
You guys realize that it's impossible to prove a negative, right? If you're the ones making the claim that something fishy is going on then the burden of proof falls on your head.
Womb_Raider ago
No, no, you see the point is that there are government agencies claiming to have debunked pizzagate, and media is citing that claim. So this group is saying "Very well, if you've done it, simply show us by what logic you debunked it and we'll give you money"
I think it makes perfect sense
oedipusaurus_rex ago
The logic is easy.
The burden of proof is on you, and so far the best that you've shown (as far as I'm aware) is that Podesta himself is creepy. You've shown nothing beyond circumstantial for any of the other claims that I've seen, and that circumstantial evidence is predicated on common words being some kind of secret pedophile code (which some of those words are, but they also have their normal meanings) and a 4chan post from a year or so ago actually being written by an FBI agent.
Long story short: you guys are claiming that there is a vast pedophile conspiracy and you're citing your own lack of evidence as proof that there is a vast pedophile conspiracy.
Womb_Raider ago
Ah, the burden on proof is on the investigators... unless, of course, someone comes out asserting the claim that they have personally debunked said investigation. That means they have found something that clearly points to the investigation being false.
I want to know what specifically has them convinced, yet they won't share.
Aren't you the least bit curious? Or are you just looking to be dismissive? I never cited a lack of evidence, you're making assertions I have nothing to do with.
oedipusaurus_rex ago
You seem to not get the fact that it's impossible to prove a negative. This is a very important idea that underpins our criminal justice system. Unless I'm mistaken you are claiming that the burden of proof falls on investigators proving that nothing happened. Is that correct?
If it is, would you please provide me with concrete proof that unicorns do not exist?
Womb_Raider ago
I'm telling you that people have made the claim they did. That's where the media has been citing the "pizzagate is fake" stories. Then other media outlets cite other media outlets, and the origin is... nobody has debunked this, nobody has investigated this.
Outside of specifically the NYPD and the FBI, no law enforcement has touched this investigation. It was known about for some time.
You're right, nobody has turned up any 100% irrefutable, hard evidence, but there sure is a whooole lot of circumstantial evidence and not to mention the code language in the podesta emails. That code was for the trafficking of something, whether it be innocent food items, drugs, weapons, or people.
If you want to debate that, lets go ahead. But otherwise, it feels like you're just trying to shut down the legitimacy of the investigation without taking a hard, sincere look at it.
oedipusaurus_rex ago
I see what you're saying now.
Yeah, anyone claiming to have debunked it is full of shit, but so is anyone claiming to have proven it at this point.
I followed it a bit at first. Nothing ever came of it. Now I just check in occasionally to see if anything concrete has been found. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys did find something, but as time goes on it's seeming less likely that you're going to find anything.
If it is going on I would love to see it busted up, I'm just saying that it's seeming less and less likely. All of that being said I am convinced that Podesta himself is a pedophile given his taste in art.
Womb_Raider ago
Have you not heard of the Norway connection, the Clinton Foundations work in Haiti, Alefantis' Museum called Pegasus? I think all of those leads are solid, and only make the investigation more interesting... not less so.
Still proves nothing, but it does look awfully suspicious.
oedipusaurus_rex ago
It looks very suspicious if you already believe that they were talking about trafficking children in code.
Womb_Raider ago
No. It looks suspicious no matter what they were discussing. I said "either they were trafficking innocent food, drugs, weapons, or people"
And at any rate, it deserves a real investigation. Obama spending over 50,000 for a single event's food.... and that food is pizza and hot dogs? Flown in from Chicago? You can't believe shit like that would really happen... do you?
Either they were in fact just overspending on food (are our leaders such fools?) or they were doing something illegal.
oedipusaurus_rex ago
Trafficking innocent food could also be said "ordering food".
Womb_Raider ago
Dude. $65,000 for one party? Pizza? Hotdogs? $65,000 dollars?
Or how about the email: "Do you think I would be better at playing dominoes on pizza or on pasta?"
How do you explain that away?
oedipusaurus_rex ago
I don't. Neither do you though.
What exactly is playing dominoes on pizza mean. What does playing dominoes on pasta mean?
Womb_Raider ago
That's the point. They're talking in code, obviously. What the code means is a mystery.
oedipusaurus_rex ago
If it's a mystery to you, then why are you claiming that it's a pedophile code?
Womb_Raider ago
Did you see me say it's a pedophile code? I said it's code for something nefarious.
I'm getting bothered by you asserting that I've said things which I have not.
Edit: I'm done talking to you, you're getting on my nerves. Do some of the investigating for yourself. Don't just brush things aside without effort, as you have been and are doing. Good day.
oedipusaurus_rex ago
bye