Throgmorton ago

What has happened to citizeninvestigators.org? It's been down for a couple of days now...

CoriferousSphInks ago

I think it's great what you have done. Thank you for your hard work and sharing your expertise. If any lazy assholes below want to undermine your work, as means of knocking your confidence and demoralising your efforts, it will be returned to them in kind. Keep up the positive work. Respect.

shoosh ago

It's good to have an alternative. I can't get behind steemit because I have to give my cell phone number and it says I may have charges. What? So, no I didn't follow through with steemit pgate.

voatsucksreally ago

Thanks for the report. I have closed registrations again temporarily to look into some issues. Will write you a note when I reopen them again.

MAGABoomer ago

Sounds like you've done a good job and really listened to what people wanted. There's a lot of security concerns in light of the threats JA has made and the many many people who stand to lose everything. Thanks for doing that....so good to see doers rather than "someone needs to"....

VieBleu ago

PLEASE RESPOND to this one if you don't mind.

The problem I have on Voat is that due to free speech concerns, they allow racist, homophobe, bigoted, etc comments to stand. What is your policy? Is it different? Also you must clearly state that vigilante justice/violence type submissions and comments are NOT ALLOWED as well as CP, doxxing.

I would suggest that at least for the pizzagate subverse on your site, hate speech will be removed. It can/will be used by the media and critics to label the pizzagate investigation as bigots, racists, homophobes, etc. There needs to be a website for pizzagators that is CLEAN. Sorry Voat but this is your big failure to the pizzagate community in my opinion, although I will say that overall the forum seems to have self corrected to fairly clean in many of these respects lately.

VieBleu ago

I think downvoting is essential. With the transparency you speak of, it would reveal shills right away. Even people that aren't shills get carried away sometimes (Ichiban, looking at you man) and need to be reigned in by the community.

Please consider enabling both downvoting and upvoting.

Thank you.

wecanhelp ago

Based on community feedback and concern, I have flaired this submission as Potential Security Risk.

voatsucksreally ago

@wecanhelp I understand you wanting to flag it as a security risk due to the initial feedback, but I have addressed and resolved the concerns that were brought up as soon as I could. I think it would be nice to give it a less malicious tag if you have to tag it with something - if there are other concerns still, I would like them to be addressed here as opposed to tagging and writing it off.

seekingtruth2016 ago

You still haven't given us any information about who you are. I asked this in a previous response and you provided no answer. I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering about your background and why we should trust you.

wecanhelp ago

I understand that you've been working hard on addressing the community's concerns, and that is appreciated, but there is nothing standing in your way to revert your current fixes at some point in the future when you're not placed under this level of scrutiny. I'm not saying you will do that, all I'm saying is that we have a responsibility to protect the community, and warn them if they might be at risk. As such, the flair is appropriate as it is saying Potential Security Risk, not flat-out Security Risk. This, in fact, is fitting for any closed-source (or freshly released open-source) website or application that tries to persuade the community to visit it. I'll leave the flair up.

zzvoat ago

the no downvotes thing is interesting but post could still get buried by excessive upvoating

DefenderOfTruth ago

I can't seem to create an account. It keeps looping. When I put in a new username and PW, I get looped back to the create an account page. Maybe my username has already been taken or the password is not within spec? I don't know since no alert pops up telling me the issue.

voatsucksreally ago

Thanks for your report. There is currently an issue with registrations after adding SSL security that I am working on fixing. Will give an update as soon as it is fixed and registrations are enabled again.

MetaBeta ago

I cannot use it anonymously.

voatsucksreally ago

Can you explain further?

MetaBeta ago

Thanks for your message... I appreciate the time and work that went into your website and understand it is a work in progress. I also support the idea of Citizen Investigation and the creation of this platform to enable the free uninhibited exchange of factual information, theory, idea's, research and such in a safe environment, so thank-you for your efforts. However, I can't use this site anonymously, behind a VPN. Is this intentional?

voatsucksreally ago

Thank you for the words of encouragement! Hmm. What is it saying when you try to use a VPN? It's definitely not intentional and I would like to fix this if I can figure out what's going on.

ChristoRedentor2018 ago

This is a real elitist calling her vagina for a pizza on ELLEN SHOW last feb...:D wtf..common word !?..adele is an angel, she should know by now. YO,PIZZAGATERS support from EUROPIA..make europe great agian mr trump please dont be like them predators..bring them to heel its fucking time yo its yuge grab monsters by its potang. adele at 2.35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJY5VVQsFZ0

ps. i used to have pizzeria, even had wood burning oven:D

theese fuckers aint bakers..theese mofos fakers. I SMELL EVIL.IN THEIR SAUCE AND STUFFING. // GET `EM!

ChristoRedentor2018 ago

I i wonder why adele calls her vagina a pizza...video of ellen show taken down<:D?

well https://www.google.se/search?q=adele+names+of+vagina&biw=1366&bih=700&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3xtXd6b_RAhVCOpoKHf93CrgQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=SHZ_Tim3tfeqeM%3A Hey worldwide Support pedogate endagame 2017 support from europe i got five countries and five lingos.they cannot hide here.

R4WX ago

My biggest concern is that this investigative community will split up and lose focus as some people will stay here, some will be mainly on other sites.

Zorox ago

I really love how it's set up with a board for each player /concern. So much easier to see everything you need by just clicking on their name/topic. Thank you. It's clean and easily readable.
However, i too will be waiting until its more secure. I dont hide too much, but i tend to agree with others regarding the sites privacy/security.

Also, anyone who has legit concerns on being taken out... Point them my way. They can kill me. I volunteer. I dont have anything else going on now anyway ;-)

Again, thank you for the hard work you have clearly put into this site, but again, ill wait a bit until fb/twitter etc is taken out of the equation.

LawofTruth ago

Great idea, and nice work. I love to feel like I'm an investigator.

Can you still choose to sort by time or votes?

throwawaa ago

This is rubbish. See B3nd3r's comment.

This site allows facebook, google, etc to track you. Happily, serious researchers will know not to visit that site.

The massive upvotes and positive comments must have come from a fake army or paid shills.

Marthvedderette ago

That's what I noticed. Huge red flag. I was skeptical until I saw the copy and pasted comment. You're either lazy as fuck op, or a bot.

SlackeryTurnBull ago

They wouldn't hesitate to kill us all, and efforts are probably already underway to do that.

3333333333y ago

Advice: 1. Drop all trackers!!! 2. Don't track IP's. Change your access log to not do this. There is tutorials online to do so. 3. Use Letsencrypt for free SSL 4. Cloudflare is the government's biggest honey pot. The CEO was the creator of project honey pot. 5. Make it open source

NikitaVerite ago

I am so confused about whether I should use this new site. I suppose I'll check back and see how it's doing. But my skeptic senses are tingling....

seekingtruth2016 ago

I would caution anyone from using a new site without fully vetting this guy's background and maybe some of the more techie people in here can check for any potential security issues on the back end. @voatsucksreally If you've gone through the trouble of making the site, you're clearly not afraid of putting yourself out there and should be comfortable sharing a little more about your credentials with this community. I'm not clicking on any links or signing up until I know this new place is secure. Can someone post a new thread once the site has been given some sort of seal of approval?

I don't think there's a problem with VOAT, it's the lack of organization of information. I haven't had the opportunity to contribute much in terms of leads because I actually search the subverse before posting and find that the information has already been shared. I find it strange that with so many mods, it takes hours before irrelevant information is deleted and the front page is usually littered with posts of old news or purely informational topics that don't require actual research and should be moved to /v/pizzagatewhatever. That continues to be my frustration with continuing use of this site, or at least this community. I'd be happy to support a new site that has a true focus on investigating, if it were legit.

Dressage2 ago

Fantastic effort! I see pluses as being able to find things that have been researched and posted. I don't know Voat well as I am sure there are others and wish there was a place to see prior research that may tie into a connection I am working on. I also love the no censorship issue. There are things deleted that I have found linked later on to something I am researching! I think if you get issues worked out wirhwith SSL and whatever else that dilutes danger to exposing us it will soar to another level. Great job! A+++ for hard work and effort.

victuruslibertas ago

Thank you for your effort on this.. I know it takes a lot of work setting up a site

VieBleu ago

hmm I don't hide but I'll need more info to be convinced anyway.

darkofthemoon ago

The site simply wasn't remotely built with privacy in mind. There is Google Analytics, as well as Google Translate, and Google Fonts as if ordinary browser fonts weren't good enough, and something that calls simply to www.google.com. There are Facebook, LinkedIn, Pinterest, and off-site comments. There is Cloudflare. Google and Facebook in particular have very much taken sides.

unconceivable ago

Yeah, it's weird. It blocks users who try to stay anonymous. Fix that then I'll check it out

HereticalPeasant ago

Oh thank God finally. Thank you making this.

Coloradical2 ago

Good work! But what the hell do you mean by "Greetings fellow pedes"???

ThePuppetShow ago

Centipedes. It's a 4chan thing, like autists. Site is sketchy as far as security goes. Be careful.

Ihatepizza2 ago

@voatsucksreally you should start by logging everything from voat including deleted posts. While that is happening work out any bugs and deal with concerns listed here

srayzie ago

Thank you!

dutch-justice ago

Great work, but i don't see much difference with Voat, except for the mods. In my belief the only real improvement would be a fully decentralized forum, built for example on Ethereum. I see that coming in 2017, many projects ongoing.

DarkMath ago

I just checked out the site. It seemed pretty low tech, had a poor color scheme making it hard to read lots and lots of text and lastly just a hunch but it looked sketchy to me.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago

Don't use it until you can confirm that it doesn't use telemetry

MrrHandsome ago

All I can say is well done, this is a HUGE contribution and you should be proud. People talk about moving on to the next step but dont actually do anything

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago

Don't use it until you can confirm that it doesn't use telemetry to track you and put you on a kill list.

There is a reason that voat.co was a safe haven for Pizzagate. It has always been specifically maintained to allow for freedom of speech. To do that, the founders had to use a .co domain.

Somevoatguy ago

"fellow pedes" I know you didn't mean it but cmon man lets try to not politize this.

Fateswebb ago

I agree the ssl cert and https not being available is a turn off, I do understand not having that setup right away however. Just at first glance I see a lot of cool features. That does beg the question of load, is the server capable of holding a high load, even a ddos attack as I could see happening against it. Is it on redundant hardware that is backed up and is the database backed up? These are all very important questions before we could fully trust just switching the full investigation over to. That being said I personally don't see any problem supporting the effort, and actually have skills that could help. Anyway I see this as a good thing if not just as a backup plan or another avenue of discussion.

B3nd3r ago

account is 1 month old no contributions and this is the only comment it ever submitted. OP, you're a bundle of sticks.

ISellDownvoats ago

Beat me to it, OP is alting all over this thread

you can see the upvoating OP is doing bc his alts can't downvoat

don't know much about pizzagate but no wonder there is so much shill talk

Edit:

Oh lookie here: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1480557/7185392

Phenomenonanon ago

I'll sign up

4thDaGrymReaper ago

bbPress sucks as a forum software, it needs a whole lot of work to even come close to being as great as voat is. Just use voat, quit trying to split off the investigation. Also these fucking possible shill tactics are lame.

Hey_Sunshine ago

Ok I will admit, y'all were right. Bringing these criminals to justice will be so much cooler than outright lynch mobbing 'em.

Ladyele ago

So you were the countdown?

projection ago

Frickin ace job!

Memeticist ago

Very nice! I hope you guys that are interested support my site as I a small group of us are taking over ownership shortly of RightSideNews.Com - I'll be a regular on this corruption site as I love the leaks, digging and staying nimble.

RecycledUser ago

Awesome work, thanks!!

B3nd3r ago

http://citizeninvestigators.org

Doesn't use https:// but instead pesters the user with at least six trackers from google to facebook. This isn't looking good at all for a site with such a purpose. Oh and thanks to cloudflare you can't even look at it from a semi-secured browser like TOR bundle with scripts turned off. OP's contributions on voat also don't give any reason for confidence. Not a single contribution but admits to having used tons of alts. Chances are this is a honeypot to identify curious users who fly too close to the sun.

Update: Can confirm @voatsucksreally

  • facebook tracking is gone
  • still uses google cookies
  • ssl now fully functional with verified certificate.
  • site can now be used with TOr browser with disabled scripting

Kudos to OP, he finally seems to take the concerns seriously instead of fucking around with alt-voting. Thanks OP - for now.

'tips fedora.

throwawaa ago

Maybe make the url in your comment not a link so people don't accidentally or foolishly click it. As soon as someone visits there, the tracking sites can confirm the identity of another pizzagate researcher.

Can't believe this thread got so many upvotes.

reasonedandinformed ago

Upvote this comment as it needs to stay at the top. Whether intended or not, this new site can work as a nice honeypot and could endanger those who get "too close" for TPTB.

Black_Mirror ago

On the site: WARNING! Due to the nature of the investigations, some links could result in the opening of incriminating material. Always practice common sense before clicking links, and make sure you're browsing safely.

pizzaunited ago

Do you realize that is the exact same warning that is on this site...check the side bar

B3nd3r ago

thanks. What a joke. Not only will you be tracked without the chance of securing yourself but also potentially be exposed to illegal content.

What could possibly go wrong!

UPDATE: OP made changes for user safety after all.

Jeremy20_9 ago

This comment needs more upvoats and consideration.

I have no ill will towards the site creator. But this isn't a game. Investigators are having their families threatened. Frankly we can't afford the privacy risks. Facebook and Google have colluded with Clinton's people. CIA is compromised.

Everyone should wait on another site to be created and suffer voat in the meantime.

Gorillion ago

Yeah. Take great care with shit like this OP. Even if you're on the level, cover your ass and your user's asses, because they'll be coming after you if this site even remotely starts resembling a base of operations for Pizzagate investigations.

You could even get yourself or your loved ones killed if you screw up on security and anonymity protections.

Fingers crossed that Trump's bureaucratic purge cuts off pizzagate subjects from their Hillary era wetworks connections.

DarkMath ago

Yep, I totally agree. I only was on there less than a minute and the sketchyness started. Plus the colors aren't right. Text on black backgrounds is hard to read and looks pretty low tech.

voatsucksreally ago

Yes, I have not purchased the SSL extra yet. Please realize I spent a month working on this, I didn't know if you guys would like it or not. I am going to need some help with some of these things - so bear with me. Remember, I literally just released the first version today so there will definitely be things that need fixing.

Also, this is NOT a honeypot. Good god. Are you against progress for our cause? Yes, I haven't had a single contribution in the last month since I made this account because I've been building the site! You try to do something to help, and people just want to say ridiculous things like this to slow the momentum. I can give screenshot proofs that I have contribution history here on other accounts and even on /r/pizzagate before it was banned.

Dude - you don't think this site has any tracking? Hello, IP tracking which can directly identify you! Anyways, if you have suggestions on how to improve certain functions of the site such as this, please feel free to leave them in the feedback and suggestion section of the site with details on how to improve. That would be a lot better than using scare tactics here to scare people away from making progress.

3333333333y ago

IP tracking should be disabled. You shouldn't be tracking. Take the constructive feedback and don't get insulted.

JoJoVoat ago

GREAT JOB!!!!! Thanks for the hard work you put into it....

3333333333y ago

Advice: 1. Drop all trackers!!! 2. Don't track IP's. Change your access log to not do this. There is tutorials online to do so. 3. Use Letsencrypt for free SSL 4. Cloudflare is the government's biggest honey pot. The CEO was the creator of project honey pot. 5. Make it open source

reasonedandinformed ago

The caution expressed here, and throughout the thread, is very legitimate. Any good platform should have a strong focus on security and anonymity, with zero tracking.

bubblebubble ago

Paying for SSL certs is so 2011.Use Let's Encrypt. It is free! And turn of those trackers and analytics.

4thDaGrymReaper ago

Just keep using Voat, make progress here, like its already doing. Waiting for someone to be really good at using WordPress/bbPress and PHP is just a waste of time. It might take someone a year or more to even create Voat from something like bbPress. If this site took you about a month, then it might be longer. SSL should have been first priority if you are trying to get an investigator community.

SaneGoatiSwear ago

nothing on earth should have you have a fucking facebook tracker on your site.

ever.

fuck you.

ISellDownvoats ago

actually agree with you for the first time

B3nd3r ago

you actively expose your users to tracking by literally everyone and deliver their asses to facebook, google, cloudflare and who knows who else who's tracking tech you build into your site. Intended or not doesn't matter.

You are endangering people by going live with this crap. No excuses.

UPDATE: OP made changes for user safety

voatsucksreally ago

Dude - you don't think this site has any tracking? Hello, IP tracking which can directly identify you! Anyways, if you have suggestions on how to improve certain functions of the site such as this, please feel free to leave them in the feedback and suggestion section of the site with details on how to improve. That would be a lot better than using scare tactics here to scare people away from making progress.

B3nd3r ago

I can use voat via proxy via TOR and it has https://. No, I can't find any active trackers on voat. Same goes for the relevant chans - that's what makes them usable.

please feel free to leave them in the feedback and suggestion section of the site with details on how to improve.

Fuck off! I'm telling you here what's obviously flawed with your project, I'm not going to expose me to your honeypot to repeat myself.

That would be a lot better than using scare tactics here to scare people away from making progress.

I'm warning users to not fall into the trap you built. Calling this "Scare Tactics" proves your ill intentions.

UPDATE: OP made changes for user safety

VictorSteinerDavion ago

This was a criticism made the first time it was proposed

But as I say that, this is the kind of thing I'm happy to observe before deciding.
Observe from behind my 7 proxies......

JoJoVoat ago

Great job! and Thank God! Sooooo tired of all the censorship here....

logjam ago

Nice work and Thank You! Great to see. Bookmarked.

slickleg64 ago

Nice work. Was hoping a site like this would happen. Really helps keep things clear which will help with forwarding info to real time investigators.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago

@Millennial_Falcon @Crensch

I think that we need to take a serious look at whether or not alt-accounts are manipulating voting on this submission. You guys have access to this data. Any alternative website to voat could be a honeypot. Let's err on extreme caution. Right now this is on the front page.

Millennial_Falcon ago

You guys have access to this data.

No, we really don't. The only way we can detect the likelihood of vote manipulation is the same way you can: a post gets upvoted extremely fast, or doesn't seem like it deserves the upvotes it's getting. Honestly, I don't suspect vote manipulation here. People are just seeing a post about a website purporting to contribute to the investigation, and they are upvoting it.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago

Thanks for your time :)

JesusOfNazareth53 ago

@Crensch eats shit.

MichelleK ago

Awesome

B3nd3r ago

It's using at least six tracking scripts to identify browsers. It has cloudflare wich prevents people who need to stay anonymous to use it behind proxies without scripts. It doesn't use ssl (https:) to encrypt communication.

It's a trap - intended or not - and OP is attacking me for pointing this out.

This doesn't look awesome at all.

UPDATE: OP made changes for user safety after all.

OrwellKnew ago

This is pretty brilliant actually

Muh props bro!