With the Pegasus project and all that it entails, I believe we can now see quite clearly the MO of these fuckers.
What they need is
1) a place to display the merchandise (children)
2) a place to receive the buyers
3) a place where the adults can view the merchandise discretely
4) a place to pick up the merchandise (tbd, I still like the tunnels, other methods could raise suspicion)
5) A friendly neighborhood ANC
In the case of Pegasus they did just that: buy a front - the museum - to receive potential buyers. Take control of a place for display (Trolley Park, controlled by Alefantis acquaintance Dubeshter), take control of the neighborhood by buying other properties (Alefantis' Blue House fronting Pegasus, the suspicious white house next to it(?), Dubeshter and his partner John Henderson's extensive 11th street properties) and, finally, take control of neighborhood management by installing ANC's (Dubeshter).
And what they did at Pegasus is almost a mirror-image of what they did at Comet Ping Pong. Display the merchandise (ping pong rooms), have a place close to receive buyers (e.g. Buck's), control the neighborhood by owning, controlling or buying properties (Besta Pizza, Politics & Prose, the McCullough/Rockefeller place etc.) and control the ANC's (this is why they HAD to get rid of Frank Winstead by gaslighting and fear mongering).
This MO is by now so clearly established that I think we may try some deductive reasoning and see if they have deployed the same method before, and where.
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AreWeSure ago
This is ridiculous. The Ping Pong Rooms are to "display the merchandise?" Why would you choose a spot that is completely open to the public. Why would you even need "the merchandise" on display?
Why not just have a small anonymous office somewhere where you show pictures of the merchandise? That takes care of 1, 2 and 3 above? And then the completely ridiculous #5 becomes irrelevant.
Why go through the trouble of running two active restaurants?
anolegion ago
You would choose a spot entirely open to the public because then there is no suspicion. You would need the children on public display because buyers are bidding for them as regular kids.
You would not use a small office because that would require depots, separate LLC's etc. Buyers wouldn't come because 1) the children would see them 2) the handler would see them and 3) there is no delivery route.
AreWeSure ago
The buyers are bidding for them as regular kids ? What does this mean?
How would you distinguish "merchandise kids" from "regular customer kids?"
Depots? I don't know what you mean here. Having an LLC for office business is trivial? I really don't get your small office scenario at all, not following all of this in general. No delivery route? Why wouldn't you be able to deliver them the same way you would if Comet was the "store."
VieBleu ago
Here's why - spelled out. Also some reading material for you. READ THE NYT ARTICLE. You will understand a lot better if you put more time into this.
This is the statement of a trafficked child in a New York Times article from 2004 (excellent article that visits a teen prostitution slave auction in Mexico, exposes Disney in Florida's parkinglot as a major hub of exchange in trafficked children and more. archived article is here https://archive.is/pq1tB.
So, the following statement explains the mechanics of exactly how it is done - literally in a public place where a lot of kids are expected to be, you can show up with a trained sex slave child and tell them which person to walk over and take their hand, and they can walk away with the goods.
No reason why a public park couldn't work the same way. Here is her quote from the article, I urge reading it there is much more of interest -
"Andrea paused. ''But nothing happens to you in the basement,'' she continued. ''You just had to worry about when the door opened.''
She explained: ''They would call you out of the basement, and you'd get a bath and you'd get a dress, and if your dress was yellow you were probably going to Disneyland.'' She said they used color coding to make transactions safer for the traffickers and the clients. ''At Disneyland there would be people doing drop-offs and pickups for kids. It's a big open area full of kids, and nobody pays attention to nobody. They would kind of quietly say, 'Go over to that person,' and you would just slip your hand into theirs and say, 'I was looking for you, Daddy.' Then that person would move off with one or two or three of us.''
AreWeSure ago
So you really think this type of operation is operating out of Comet Ping Pong?
VieBleu ago
Right now it might be more reasonable to think this could allegedly be the set up at Trolley Park with Pegasus watchtower/window nearby and tunnels underneath. In my opinion, CPP was more like the front/party hub where the blackmailing parties went on at times and the weirdnes of the back end of Besta Pizza makes me feel it was part of that too. As well as Tony Podestas special video basement.
are you saying you can't believe that could be possible? what is your opinion
AreWeSure ago
my opinion is this whole thing is fantasy house of cards based on the very thinnest slivers of evidence. And most folks on this board seem to be spinning their own version of the fantasy.
VieBleu ago
Do you think the NYTimes article was spun sugar too? and that child trafficking hardly exists and is vastly exaggerated?
AreWeSure ago
No. That's a strawman and I think you know it .
I think it accurately portrays the world of trafficking as a squalid world cut off from regular contact with the outside world and run by career criminals. Not organic restaurateurs.
VieBleu ago
Actually I'm not enough of a pro to know really what a strawman argument really is. Maybe you are a bit paranoid? but I guess hanging out here, when you actually think pizzagate is a load of bollucks so to speak, would tend to make anyone that way. So why are you drawn here like a magnet, to hang out with al lthe muppets here? I know people that think similarly to you, and they wouldn't be caught anywhere near this website. Your family must be puzzled by your new hobby, right?
Most people don't think of Alefantis as an "organic" restauranteur. His PR must not have been that effective at the time. You must have a lot of regard for the guy to remember to complement him in that certain way.
remedy4reality ago
@AreWeSure ... You're always deliberately obtuse. This is an annoying quality and if you're going to anoint yourself as the official #pizzagate devil's advocate, you need to start bringing some substance.
eyeVoated ago
Off the top of my head: 1) Cover. 2) Laundry money.
AreWeSure ago
Laundry money is a pretty great typo. You can get both those things with less ambitious restaurants.
And cover is pretty much gone if like the OP says, you are using the place to "display the merchandise." Too many visitors you have no control over. Too many people a child could say something too.
eyeVoated ago
Children do say things, and then their handlers calmly collect them and reprogram them by throwing them back in their cages.
(also, laundry money was a pun--e.g., landlords make extra cash by emptying their tenants' laundry machines--tax free)
(edit 2: ambitious? Have you ever been to a nice restaurant? those pedo restaurants are bare functional and exceedingly disgusting.)
AreWeSure ago
VieBleu ago
I can answer that one - surely you've seen the pics of the cages stacked at CPP? If not, too bad I don't have the link but they are archived. Yep, large metal cages, just like the ones pictured in sadistic ritual abuse paintings, right there on CPP property. Just like the kind that are used to transport animals like medium large monkeys. There were pictures of that too. Of course, I'm sure you can find a logical explanation why an "organic restauranteur" as you so elegantly put it would keep several rather large cages stacked two deep in precious kitchen space. Perfectly logical to you no doubt. Had to keep the tomatoes in those to keep them from escaping right?
AreWeSure ago
The "cages" I've seen at Comet Ping Pong were
A. Standard Metro rack shelving cages. These are common in the restaurant industry for storing high dollar items. B. Visible to the Public and in publicly accessible areas (Not Hidden) C. Filled with beer, wine and liquor.
Yes, this is all logical.
VieBleu ago
Those aren't the cages.
AreWeSure ago
Are you referring to specific cages? At Comet Ping Pong? Kids were kept on site there?
VieBleu ago
I looked one of the pics up - yes it could be explained by your explanation. In what I see it is holding cases of liquor it looks like.
Overall, and I was going to say this yesterday but we got caught up on something else, anyway I actually think your presence here is a very positive thing. I do wonder why in the world you would be interested in coming here, given your stance, as a hobby, so I have to conclude it is your job to do so. Fair enough. But actually being a voice of critical reason on the negative side is an important roll that every website of this kind needs and sometimes actually installs through a named character that always "trolls" to prevent groupthink. So you fulfill that role well whether intentionally or not and make people look at what they are saying, edit it and think more critically. Can't be a bad thing.
The regular people that are here are drawn here because they are concerned about hurt children. Thus the emotional factor is always going to be turned up a notch.
But you calling Alephantis an "organic restauranteur" is a bit rich. C'mon. you know he's a lot more than that.
eyeVoated ago
Dude, you're in the wrong subvoat
remedy4reality ago
The restaurants, the live acts, the charities, the museum, the favorable press every time you sneeze.... etc.
They all CEMENT you into the community. Furthermore, the entire operation is hiding behind the LBGT movement, which has proven to be a bullet proof protection against criticism of any kind.
AreWeSure ago
It almost sounds like the community may know more about them than a team of outside folks.