Confirmation bias.There is no proof of this, and it discredits the entire investigation to proceed as if there was. The whole thing is starting to look pretty wack.
You are the sole decider of who goes on that list. I've been involved with pizzagate a fuck ton longer than you have. You're just a sad little man with a sad little list.
It's a hobby in a sense that it takes up our time, but people often use it to describe a fun activity. If you go to counselling and therapy 8 hours per day, then I wouldn't call that a hobby. This isn't fun for some of us, but we are zealous about it.
Not too sure looking back at it. If TGOT went through all this trouble to prank us, seems kind of elaborate considering the dialogue that took place. IMO TGOT doesn't seem like a complete idiot, yet at the same time he should have known the legal repercussions if faked. Either way he should at least provide a live feed to prove he didn't fake the page. (eh, but I admit this is me hoping he's telling the truth)
If this is still relevant to you, he could clear his browser cache and reload the page or start the video with his browser closed, then open it fresh and type the site into the address bar, login, go to messages, etc. Also, he could use the facebook app or messenger since I don't think you can mess with those. That would make me believe or at least believe more. To be honest though, you can fake any video, even to the point that I still am not sure if even the recent Assange "proof" of life AMA wasn't some deception. Reality is not on the internet, believe me :)
My "liar sense" was tingling when watching the videos of the text conversation with Alephantis. However, I still think the Pegasus property should stay under the microscope.
The video is fake. Him and Alefantis aren't friends in the video. When you message someone who isn't your friend, the video and call icons are greyed out. In the video, they are not greyed out. Might be worth making a full post about it for visibility.
Edit: I made a thread and looks like this is a duff lead. Icons go white once someone accepts your friend request. Could be alefantis, could be edited.
I'm with you on that !! @armyseer added me to the list for no reason, whatsoever. The information and observations I have provided in the last 30 days are solid. I would be very suspect of this guy.
Was busy with life for a bit what the hell did I miss? What list and where is it located? How much you want to bet the one who created it is the master shill haha.
Don't doxx yourself by buying swag from controlled oppo.
Don't doxx yourself calling some fellow whose phone number was accidentally-on-purpose leaked so he ends up claiming threats and getting extra police protection, sympathy, narrative control.
The increase of posts of stupid youtube videos, the t-shirt guy, the attempts to slide the forum to "kill room" obsession, all reek of controlled opposition and efforts to doxx voaters as well as steer the narrative in unproductive directions.
Youtube is a way to get voaters to waste 10-20 minutes on a low value post that rehashes old speculation, for the most part.
Dramatically reduces the investigative power.
A poster's goal should be to spend hours researching something that can be digested in minutes or seconds, not to have voaters wasting hours clicking through wanna-be talking head videos of neckbeards chasing a pointer around secondhand browser screenshots.
Ramping up the drama and stress, highlighting alefantis's phone., etc., seem like great motivators for fools with keyboards -or firearms- (paid shill type as well as unstable fool type).
So, "don't go there" especially not to stage another false flag.
Some of this stuff could be true, but it seems mighty sketchy.
The only way I can see ISGOT's claims being true is if perhaps Alefantis has some substance abuse issues that got out of hand last night.
But seriously no self-doxxing, please no standup/screenshot youtubes, and don't do nothin' stupid.
Alefantis could already be involved in high level trade in kids. Drugs is probably small fry in comparison, especially if he's turned to them to cope with the stress of possibly being caught, drawn and quartered in the public eye for what he's involved in.
That said, I'd still like to see that livestream from ISGOT.
Youtube is a way to get voaters to waste 10-20 minutes on a low value post that rehashes old speculation, for the most part. Dramatically reduces the investigative power.
** THAT ** is exactly what I've been trying to say. Thank you!!
I certainly think that the world is bigger than we see, but I haven't got time to explore your stuff there. It's too long. I'm not interested in seeing stuff that can only be proven by the claims of experts.
I've watched hours of videos in the past about different views, and needless to say, I am a little jaded about what I'm being presented with.
[edit: I gave you an up vote for support and for the link, but I'm not interested]
I appreciate the people scrutinizing the recent Alefantis story and I think more proof needs to be brought forward if things like this can be so easily replicated, but I'm seeing people jump to quickly at shill accusations. Like this pizzagateshill community seems to have people in there that I don't think it's clear they're shills. If it's an honest attempt to prevent this community from being divided, it shouldn't be acting so quick to divide the community.
that guy is slandering basically everybody in this sub that is doing real work, including me, there is no reason to trust anything he says, just read how he is trying to get some credibilty by calling his list 'armyseer approved'.
Not even talking about Pizzagate-Gear here I dont care what he is, but he appears quite larpy to me.
There is no reason to trust me either, except that I actually provide work to the sub, compare our submission history. All he does is creating a sub to call out people without any evidence.
I wouldn't care about it, if it wouldn't start to cost me real money, as a couple of us researchers are trying to fund a real news outlet business. That level of organised slander is inacceptible
I missed all the posts between the original "found the killroom!" and "easily faked." So, looking back, it definitely all smells like bullshit to me. This is the guy selling pizzagate merch? If he's not a shill or agent, he's an opportunist.
that guy is slandering basically everybody in this sub that is doing real work, including me, there is no reason to trust anything he says, just read how he is trying to get some credibilty by calling his list 'armyseer approved'.
There is no reason to trust me either, except that I actually provide work to the sub, compare our submission history. All he does is creating a sub to call out people without any evidence.
I wouldn't care about it, if it wouldn't start to cost me real money, as a couple of us researchers are trying to fund a real news outlet business. That level of organised slander is inacceptible
not even sure about that one, quite larpy what he is doing there. No one serious about being heard that their life is threatened would make it that hard to believe them.
Alefantis phonenr is publicly available no need to censor it if that means not gaining trust. So why is he going out of his way to secure alefantis 'privacy' ?
Im getting really concerned about that armyseer guy though. That name alone sounds lika an mk ultra reference.
Hes starting to hit the credibility of people
When I try this and close the inspection screen in chrome it reverts back. Is there a way to maintain the edit with the window closed? The text when hovered still shows the modified link but when you click on it then it goes to the original (when inspection window closes, not when open)
That's the problem I see with it, real of fake there is a list of addresses. So if James goes and kills Ryan he potentially gets a list of other people. I'm not saying James would do this, or that Ryan is fake, just it's a yuge security risk.
It's a policeman's card with some writing on it, could have got a card and filled it out himself or filed a report for something unrelated and made up. I know we all want to believe this is real because we want to see the perpetrators get caught but we need to be skeptical of everything
Sure we need to be skeptical, which is why since he is the one with the most circumstantial evidence, I am leaning towards him right now. If someone can come up with something definitive that he made this up, then of course I will change my tune.
I still believe it's true, but the proof I had was the phone number checking out, but seeing as how he could have gotten the phone number from the website then it can be faked so that is no longer actual proof.
I am willing to give IsThisGameOfThrones the benefit of the doubt here but he did say he isnt profiting off this...but he states he is...
I do not know how to make a shirt. I ordered these. I like them. I think yall will too if you can get past the fact that Im profiting $4(less if you count my time and the fact that im storing these in my very limited space).
The dude really should not have plugged the website at the end of the vid...
I dont think he even runs his youtube channel...he is just hired to speak for the website owners...and they are the ones that choose what gets removed and what doesnt.
Had anyone posted those pictures of the interior of Pegasus before? If not then maybe Ryan is not a shill but maybe craves attention by spicing up his posts?
You're right it is easily faked and I find that really annoying but I don't think @isthisgameofthrones realised that when he did it. Go look through his comment history and you'll see he's been involved in this for a while and is contributing and investigating. I don't see why he'd larp for months on end just to sell tshirts when clearly nobody wants to walk around in a pizzagate tshirt otherwise they'd attract so much negative attention.
that guy is slandering basically everybody in this sub that is doing real work, including me, there is no reason to trust anything he says, just read how he is trying to get some credibilty by calling his list 'armyseer approved'.
Not even talking about Pizzagate-Gear here I dont care what he is, but he appears quite larpy to me.
There is no reason to trust me either, except that I actually provide work to the sub, compare our submission history. All he does is creating a sub to call out people without any evidence.
I wouldn't care about it, if it wouldn't start to cost me real money, as a couple of us researchers are trying to fund a real news outlet business. That level of organised slander is inacceptible
This game of thrones guy has posted nothing but distractions and misinformation. Not only that, but there's a certain handful of other distraction / misinformation shills who all will suddenly pop up and support everything this guy posts - every single time. It's all way too obvious..
I am seriously shocked at how people quickly believe all of this guys crap without a single doubt.
So you're saying pegasus is a distraction and misinformation? It is the most definitive and proven information we have seen on the kill room and you contend it's misinformation? Why?
Only he can speak for himself, but I don't think that he's speaking about the Pegasus ideas. He's speaking about the users, who repost old information and misinformation. After wasting 10 minutes on a video, you're no better off, nor are you more informed.
Well correct me if I am wrong, but this video and analysis was the first time I had seen some of the Pegasus details like the sliding balcony, some of the internal pictures, and analysis of the bricks matching making a definitive proof that the dig room is actually the Pegasus. So I'm seeing that as helping and not disinformation. Now sure he could be making up the contact with jimmycomet, but there is no proof he is.
If that was the first time, then you aren't paying attention to the conversation here. The photos and the text are from this forum, and he is discussing what others have researched and posted.
Oh I have been paying attention, I had not seen the bricks compared or the roller room picture yet is all. Which is new stuff. But it's not like I can read every comment on every topic. Still he is bringing up relevant information. I agree it's a bad idea to buy shirts which require you to give personal details. But I do feel like he is posting interesting stuff. I mean it's a compilation of information we have here so there is no one contributor, we are sharing the load. I feel like he is at least trying, even if he has a motive, profits..
Then bear in mind, that some people have been guessing that he could be setting this all up to look legitimate, with the intent of gathering personal information. Think about how devious this would be, if it were the CIA or James, or a friend of James...and they were pretending to gather all this research, just so that they could cozy up with us, and then gather our contact information.
I honestly don't know what to believe any more. I just want us all to be safe. :-)
Absolutely, or even say he is legit, but James or someone gets to him and in the process get ahold of the customer list, not sure I want my personal details in there.
The whole story does not smell right. This is the first time I have heard someone get threatened by Alefantis. Is JA that dumb? Cmon guys.. It's also suspect he didn't record the phone call with all the death threats... There's PG videos that have gotten millions of views and no one has reported a death threat. This needs to be investigated further as it seems to me like an attempt to scare people from doing further investigative work OR a revenue scheme. PS - If you are fearing for your life, why repost the original video? A police report won't do shit if they want to suicide you.
Yeah he said he never had time to get an app to record the call when he got that ridiculous countdown message but surely he would download that as soon as the call ended ( i know i would have) just incase he got another chance which of course he did later on. The whole thing smells like shit to me, if the guy is being truthful then i feel sorry for him because this post proves theres too much grey area for this story to be taken seriously.
It's also a lie to claim that it's a hobby. We're investigating alleged pedophiles, human traffickers, and cannibals. Anybody, who says that this is just a hobby is lying. It's legal to lie, but I personally don't approve of this. If he's going to lie to James, then how do we know that he isn't lying to us?
There's PG videos that have gotten millions of views and no one has reported a death threat.
True... however remember that IsThisGameofThrone contacted JA directly for an interview. This is probably the reason why there was a direct conversation followed by death threaths.
No matter how dumb JA is, we'd be even dumber to believe somebody's claims of a phone call, FB chat, and text message convo without definitive proof. It's incredibly easy to fake all three.
Sure, that's before his Pedo exposure to the world. Just an odd story IMO.. Regardless, I assume JA will not be happy with the repost and threat video and will contact him again and perhaps get a livestream going. That would nail it shut.
The Alefantis post really concerns me. If it is legitimate, then there are obvious concerns there. If it is fake however, then the shills have effectively won finally. This area seems pretty well split (and passionate) about this being real and fake. They may have actually just fractured the community. Especially if we get a reveal that this is faked, then it shows how easily we can be manipulated.
Exactly. If you psyop a community that understands psyops, can it REALLY affect them in the long term? At most it would distract us fairly temporarily, but how many people are really focusing all of their time on THIS story anyway? The only way to win is to check every angle, and statistically most of those will turn out to be bogus before we find the whole truth anyway. Just don't forget that we are being watched HERE and forces are working against us HERE. If it turns out to be false, just move on.
Sorry, you're absolutely right and I should have clarified. I didn't mean "won" as in stopped investigation, I meant "won" as far as discrediting and splintering community instead of a United front
Not aggressive, after reading your post I realized mine could be interpreted as "whelp they've split us, might as well pack up and go home" as opposed to the intended "looks like the shills have finally completed their first successful splintering, which shows they can, with many more possible to follow, stay strong. "
@unconceivable Thanks for going through the trouble of making a video on this and the hover name too, this shit needs to be called out, he's trying to capatalize on people's emotions during the investigation and making a mockery of it.
Will this work if you close the browser and re-open it? What I'm getting at is, if Ryan made a new vid starting out with his browser closed would that prove he didn't edit the link. I would try it myself but I quit facebook a year ago.
Yes it would reset if you closed and reopened it. It is possible to create scripts that would automatically change it though. You would also have to see evidence of no extensions being used in the browser that allow you to do that.
And I was able to recreate the name popup on hover, too. I don't know if I want to make another video, though. I hope everyone on here will just be careful. People will fuck with this website
in your video you can see that when you hover the mouse over the fake "James Alefantis" name, a sticky comes up with the real name. in the video from ryan, that sticky keeps saying James Alefantis, i think you cant fake that
You can fake that too, change the title attribute. There are ways. Google it. All I'm saying is that there are people on this site trying to cause us to do stupid things, like storm a museum. Be careful and investigate all claims
Seriously, are you a friend of this guy or what? I wake up to his BS posted all over the site, tying it up with this guy crying, whining and having a meltdown and you defending him. Ryan shouldn't be telling anyone anything because he's a jerk and other people aren't. There was already a video of someone going to the Pegasus Museum and obtaining the number of a truck parked out in front. Guess what? The person didn't put themselves in the video? Didn't provoke JA by trying to chat with him? Didn't give out any person information? Didn't roll over and give his name and phone number? Seriously? This could have been actually interesting, but is not because of the way it's been handled.
Wellington is probably one of the ones within a group of shills that all "mysteriously" seem to show up to strongly support anything and everything this game of thrones guy posts. It's all a huge distraction and bothering to even respond to them is just enabling them. If everyone would just ignore their attempts at distractions and misinformation - maybe they'd just go away.
An upvoat for you. Too true. Have no idea how they've taken over the forum. IF this happened, and had been handled properly, it would be amazing. As it is, it's annoying.
Some weak one liner like this reaches the top of the thread, but others who are making very rational arguments for evidence get buried? I'm just saying: we should probably encourage discussions rather than dribble on this investigative forum - regardless of what you feel on individual issues.
Now, the onus is on @IsThisGameOfThrones to prove this critique is not valid. So far, this rebuttal is very convincing. I only want to support information that can be reproduced/verified.
I could care less about some justice warrior's personal obsession.
I don't think we are to believe he's silk screening his own shirts. It's much more likely he's doing it through a third party, I.e. The ones that come across Facebook constantly.
This guy is making a claim that could be libel, and sued in court if he's lying. Selling shirts is a bit on the questionable side, maybe. But how much do you think he'd make selling 100 shirts? Ever tried to sell shirts online, it's near impossible. It's not a get rich quick scheme, or make a bunch of money quick scheme. Nothing wrong with questioning his evidence of the threats, but I don't see the selling of shirts as a reason to immediately discredit his intentions.
I get the disdain for people trying to profit from the investigation. But how is it any different than Reality Calls or David Seaman (arguably some of the best faces for Pizzagate). They literally ask for donations. If you give 20 bucks to either of them for a donation, they get all of it. If you give 20 bucks for a shirt, he might get 3 or 4 bucks. I don't get the separation, in fact, it seems quite a bit less profitable to sell shirts than to directly ask for donations.
Indeed you can fake anything on a web browser with local javascript (e.g. plugin). He would need to give his FB password to a trusted third-party and have him login in and check, OR he would have to log into a trusted third-party computer (through VNC or whatever) and access his FB through there (the computer admin would be recording the desktop session).
The issue is one of trust. You cannot trust someone who speaks on YT, nor can you trust a computer you don't control. You could trust code, but you can't look at the code running on the guy's computer. You could however trust a third-party, who would have to be involved in the verification. That's the only way IMO without FB involvement (which would anyway also be a third-party).
Faking this would be a good way to publicize his t-shirts. But the value of his shirts come from the funny catch phrases he came up with (which you can copy and easily make/order your own shirts with). Plus he found/published that museum kill room stuff. So my two cents is he's telling the truth. If he's a shill, he's not good at his job.
I think he might be telling the truth too, and I really want to believe fully. Unfortunately, since we'll never hear the phone calls, we would still have to take his words on the threats of JA.
They literally ask for donations. If you give 20 bucks to either of them for a donation, they get all of it.
That's a good point. I think that the community needs to decide on that. I guess if we allow people to ask for donations, then PIzzagate Gear should be, too.
It could, but you would have to be stupid to directly lie and commit libel for what, maybe a few hundred bucks if you're lucky? Seems like a lot of smart work that would be hard for a stupid person to do, for not a lot of money.
I saw the original pegasus video, and his threat video. Then watched his videos of him attempting to provide proof of conversation on facebook and the phone. Are there more?
Exactly. Good work. The guy allegedly has JA's phone number and doesn't have that checked out before posting here? What? Come on now! And he actually believes JA threatens him and his family over the phone and you don't report it to the police. Another big come on now! Very implausible.
Last night he hadn't. Am I right? Last night he never said he made a report. He came on here and was talking about it or am I mistaken? I watched the video last night when it first happened and he never mentioned reporting it.
yes, he said it last night, he made at least 3 different threads, and everything just didint happend in one minute, it was a long time dude. again, do your homework before shitposting. he evenn posted a call log showing he called police department.
my responsibillity?? your responsability is to keep yourself informed just like i did. anyway, so you can just shut the fuck up: https://i.sli.mg/HWCQ7e.png
Pardon me for not freakin' reading THREE DIFFERENT THREADS! I watched the first video he made, and he NEVER mentioned calling the police! Never! He only explained why he took the video down. If he mentioned it, why is it that people were giving him the number of the police to call and telling him to report it? Okay, so I didn't read EVERYTHNG, I read and opened the first thread ... then I woke up this morning. The guy is/was a complete jerk. He should never have been calling JA. He's one person removed from Podesta. You don't do that ... especially when you're a jerk. Okay? That's my opinion.
dont let the shills get to you man. it was obviously a hoax. you aren't going crazy. it's just a lot of shills are all in here upvoting and agreeing w each other and it makes you feel crazy.
Thanks, but I don't feel crazy. Never doubt yourself for going against the crowd. I'm only pissed that it's dominating this forum, that's all. It's BS. All of it.
ultimately, it is good evidence and investigative work that will stand above all this bs. the people really doing investigative work wont be distracted by this.
True. The majority of people here are not falling for this. It's just a slow day for hard investigative journalism. But the whole vibe with a shill post is different. I'm remembering some of the really great investigative finds and the work was meticulous. They just posted it and let other people find the thread. They didn't create a hundred threads and create chaos.
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
https://voat.co/user/AreWeSure
SlackeryTurnBull ago
Confirmation bias.There is no proof of this, and it discredits the entire investigation to proceed as if there was. The whole thing is starting to look pretty wack.
ThePuppetShow ago
See, now that is interesting.
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
Who died and left you king?
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
Can you fuck off?
You are the sole decider of who goes on that list. I've been involved with pizzagate a fuck ton longer than you have. You're just a sad little man with a sad little list.
ProudTruther ago
Yeah he should act all freaked out. and keep being like this is the crazierst thing ever over and over too.
ProudTruther ago
The kid is freaking out. The whole time he's like "this is the craziest 24 hours, this is the craziest thing that's ever happened to me,"
Investigate1999 ago
It's a hobby in a sense that it takes up our time, but people often use it to describe a fun activity. If you go to counselling and therapy 8 hours per day, then I wouldn't call that a hobby. This isn't fun for some of us, but we are zealous about it.
dindonufin ago
Why so many downvoats? This is legit. Can confirm this is very easy to do. The thought even entered my mind while watching that guy's video.
SIMONBARROW ago
Just because something could be faked, it doesn't mean it was faked.
Drunkenmoba ago
The background sound is unique to SF mass transit.
TruthIsMyReligion ago
Yes. Is it possible he/she is a computer geek with no friends? Also yes.
This type of account behavior is suspicious and should be questioned IMO.
28leinad82 ago
Where the profile pic?
IlluminatiKing ago
Not too sure looking back at it. If TGOT went through all this trouble to prank us, seems kind of elaborate considering the dialogue that took place. IMO TGOT doesn't seem like a complete idiot, yet at the same time he should have known the legal repercussions if faked. Either way he should at least provide a live feed to prove he didn't fake the page. (eh, but I admit this is me hoping he's telling the truth)
Millennial_Falcon ago
@unconceivable, is there any way he can prove he did not edit the source code?
unconceivable ago
If this is still relevant to you, he could clear his browser cache and reload the page or start the video with his browser closed, then open it fresh and type the site into the address bar, login, go to messages, etc. Also, he could use the facebook app or messenger since I don't think you can mess with those. That would make me believe or at least believe more. To be honest though, you can fake any video, even to the point that I still am not sure if even the recent Assange "proof" of life AMA wasn't some deception. Reality is not on the internet, believe me :)
Pizza-related-sap ago
My "liar sense" was tingling when watching the videos of the text conversation with Alephantis. However, I still think the Pegasus property should stay under the microscope.
Investigate1999 ago
@unconceivable, thanks for posting this!
remedy4reality ago
And you still have not justified why I was added to this list.
Why don't you do that for me?
looking4truth ago
It's just too unbelievable. Why would alfantis perosnally call and threaten people? Why would he expose himself like that? Bullshit
throwaway345678 ago
evidence of your shill list being based on anything would be nice
throwaway345678 ago
who's "we" exactly?
I'm not smearing, I'm asking for evidence since you ARE LITERALLY accusing a lot of people of being shills.
Meanwhile my post history is in question because I "liked whatever?" --- I've never down voted and this is now a negative thing? FFS
I have no smear campaign against anyone by asking for evidence but.. thanks for calling me evil for no reason :)
Throwaway24398021 ago
The video is fake. Him and Alefantis aren't friends in the video. When you message someone who isn't your friend, the video and call icons are greyed out. In the video, they are not greyed out. Might be worth making a full post about it for visibility.
Edit: I made a thread and looks like this is a duff lead. Icons go white once someone accepts your friend request. Could be alefantis, could be edited.
Ciscogeek ago
That's a very good observation, This needs to be at the top.
kekistocrat ago
Does anyone else see the 33's in this? I agree with the contents of the video only the 33's are abound with this particular topic.
throwaway345678 ago
Supply evidence before you start accusing mass amounts of people.
You bitch there is no evidence, then supply none on your supposed shill list.
remedy4reality ago
I'm with you on that !! @armyseer added me to the list for no reason, whatsoever. The information and observations I have provided in the last 30 days are solid. I would be very suspect of this guy.
wokethefkup ago
Was busy with life for a bit what the hell did I miss? What list and where is it located? How much you want to bet the one who created it is the master shill haha.
amCassandraAMA ago
Im just not playing your PR game velvethammer.
You do this in your spare time, or did your owners actually appoint to annoy us?
throwaway345678 ago
How about you start by confirming any evidence for any of your claims before mass slandering people.
crazimal ago
Thanks!
BTW voaters:
Don't doxx yourself by buying swag from controlled oppo.
Don't doxx yourself calling some fellow whose phone number was accidentally-on-purpose leaked so he ends up claiming threats and getting extra police protection, sympathy, narrative control.
The increase of posts of stupid youtube videos, the t-shirt guy, the attempts to slide the forum to "kill room" obsession, all reek of controlled opposition and efforts to doxx voaters as well as steer the narrative in unproductive directions.
Youtube is a way to get voaters to waste 10-20 minutes on a low value post that rehashes old speculation, for the most part. Dramatically reduces the investigative power.
A poster's goal should be to spend hours researching something that can be digested in minutes or seconds, not to have voaters wasting hours clicking through wanna-be talking head videos of neckbeards chasing a pointer around secondhand browser screenshots.
Ramping up the drama and stress, highlighting alefantis's phone., etc., seem like great motivators for fools with keyboards -or firearms- (paid shill type as well as unstable fool type). So, "don't go there" especially not to stage another false flag.
Some of this stuff could be true, but it seems mighty sketchy. The only way I can see ISGOT's claims being true is if perhaps Alefantis has some substance abuse issues that got out of hand last night.
But seriously no self-doxxing, please no standup/screenshot youtubes, and don't do nothin' stupid.
nomorepepperoni ago
Alefantis could already be involved in high level trade in kids. Drugs is probably small fry in comparison, especially if he's turned to them to cope with the stress of possibly being caught, drawn and quartered in the public eye for what he's involved in.
That said, I'd still like to see that livestream from ISGOT.
Investigate1999 ago
** THAT ** is exactly what I've been trying to say. Thank you!!
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
You won't waste your time by moving beyond Pizzagate, and addressing it's larger implications and context:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1491256
Investigate1999 ago
I certainly think that the world is bigger than we see, but I haven't got time to explore your stuff there. It's too long. I'm not interested in seeing stuff that can only be proven by the claims of experts.
I've watched hours of videos in the past about different views, and needless to say, I am a little jaded about what I'm being presented with.
[edit: I gave you an up vote for support and for the link, but I'm not interested]
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
I understand. The broader you get, the less politically actionable the knowledge becomes.
looking4truth ago
This deserves more upvoats
Investigate1999 ago
I agree. It bothers me that shills and fools have more voting power around here.
Waalchastazoor ago
I appreciate the people scrutinizing the recent Alefantis story and I think more proof needs to be brought forward if things like this can be so easily replicated, but I'm seeing people jump to quickly at shill accusations. Like this pizzagateshill community seems to have people in there that I don't think it's clear they're shills. If it's an honest attempt to prevent this community from being divided, it shouldn't be acting so quick to divide the community.
throwaway345678 ago
agreed
LostandFound ago
Thank you thank you thank you. They are $hilling hard, too many falling for it.
goat_cheese_pizza ago
yup, i think he's trying to inspire copy cats...trying to throw a wrench into this peaceful/lawful citizen investigation.
Investigate1999 ago
He wanted us to stop investigating, but to still buy his shirts. Why can't people see that?
On top of that, he had that weird smile, too.
ThePuppetShow ago
He may be LARPing, but there's nothing violent or unlawful about asking the man for an interview. The MSM certainly isn't asking any real questions.
PGTAway818949 ago
I'm not saying I have all of JAs phone numbers, but I have 5 of them. None of them end in a 7.
victuruslibertas ago
Damn.. Hellova list.. Thanks
amCassandraAMA ago
that guy is slandering basically everybody in this sub that is doing real work, including me, there is no reason to trust anything he says, just read how he is trying to get some credibilty by calling his list 'armyseer approved'.
Not even talking about Pizzagate-Gear here I dont care what he is, but he appears quite larpy to me.
There is no reason to trust me either, except that I actually provide work to the sub, compare our submission history. All he does is creating a sub to call out people without any evidence.
I wouldn't care about it, if it wouldn't start to cost me real money, as a couple of us researchers are trying to fund a real news outlet business. That level of organised slander is inacceptible
victuruslibertas ago
I am learning here.. Pretty new to Voat.. I know what you mean though. I have a YT channel that makes OK $$$ and Cred is the key to staying alive
amCassandraAMA ago
can tell you it is annoying
waxdino ago
I missed all the posts between the original "found the killroom!" and "easily faked." So, looking back, it definitely all smells like bullshit to me. This is the guy selling pizzagate merch? If he's not a shill or agent, he's an opportunist.
Fateswebb ago
So reproduce the reverse phone number search
ThePuppetShow ago
You still have no proof PTY is thetrumptrain2016. You jusy made that part up. So who's to say you aren't the shill?
amCassandraAMA ago
that guy is slandering basically everybody in this sub that is doing real work, including me, there is no reason to trust anything he says, just read how he is trying to get some credibilty by calling his list 'armyseer approved'.
There is no reason to trust me either, except that I actually provide work to the sub, compare our submission history. All he does is creating a sub to call out people without any evidence.
I wouldn't care about it, if it wouldn't start to cost me real money, as a couple of us researchers are trying to fund a real news outlet business. That level of organised slander is inacceptible
ThePuppetShow ago
Yeah, I called him out for this in the other thread too. He's the sole reason I'm giving that gameofthrones story a chance of being true.
amCassandraAMA ago
not even sure about that one, quite larpy what he is doing there. No one serious about being heard that their life is threatened would make it that hard to believe them. Alefantis phonenr is publicly available no need to censor it if that means not gaining trust. So why is he going out of his way to secure alefantis 'privacy' ?
Im getting really concerned about that armyseer guy though. That name alone sounds lika an mk ultra reference. Hes starting to hit the credibility of people
ThePuppetShow ago
I'm on the fence as well, waiting for more info. Can we do a FOIA request with the report #? Do you know how long those take?
amCassandraAMA ago
no idea about that sorry.
marnikus ago
Close the inspection window and it reverts!
When I try this and close the inspection screen in chrome it reverts back. Is there a way to maintain the edit with the window closed? The text when hovered still shows the modified link but when you click on it then it goes to the original (when inspection window closes, not when open)
superchargedv8 ago
Would be a good way of collecting addresses of researchers who buy shirts too
Fateswebb ago
That's the problem I see with it, real of fake there is a list of addresses. So if James goes and kills Ryan he potentially gets a list of other people. I'm not saying James would do this, or that Ryan is fake, just it's a yuge security risk.
memegod420 ago
Can you reproduce the police report he filed?
superchargedv8 ago
It's a policeman's card with some writing on it, could have got a card and filled it out himself or filed a report for something unrelated and made up. I know we all want to believe this is real because we want to see the perpetrators get caught but we need to be skeptical of everything
Millennial_Falcon ago
The actual police report: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1543423
memegod420 ago
Sure we need to be skeptical, which is why since he is the one with the most circumstantial evidence, I am leaning towards him right now. If someone can come up with something definitive that he made this up, then of course I will change my tune.
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
The police report should be public information. It would be easy for someone to verify.
Fateswebb ago
I still believe it's true, but the proof I had was the phone number checking out, but seeing as how he could have gotten the phone number from the website then it can be faked so that is no longer actual proof.
RIGGED_ELECTION ago
looooooooool I literally can't fucking believe this community
redditsuckz ago
I am willing to give IsThisGameOfThrones the benefit of the doubt here but he did say he isnt profiting off this...but he states he is...
I do not know how to make a shirt. I ordered these. I like them. I think yall will too if you can get past the fact that Im profiting $4(less if you count my time and the fact that im storing these in my very limited space).
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1466935/7105009
https://archive.is/9KJwd
And he cant shut down the website because he doesnt run it...
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1479352/7177527
https://archive.is/4YDkJ
The dude really should not have plugged the website at the end of the vid...
I dont think he even runs his youtube channel...he is just hired to speak for the website owners...and they are the ones that choose what gets removed and what doesnt.
BlueTesla ago
What website? His store is a shopify that anyone with a spare 10 minutes can set up.
redditsuckz ago
Then it should be shut down in less than 10 minutes.
rockcreek ago
Had anyone posted those pictures of the interior of Pegasus before? If not then maybe Ryan is not a shill but maybe craves attention by spicing up his posts?
BlueTesla ago
You're right it is easily faked and I find that really annoying but I don't think @isthisgameofthrones realised that when he did it. Go look through his comment history and you'll see he's been involved in this for a while and is contributing and investigating. I don't see why he'd larp for months on end just to sell tshirts when clearly nobody wants to walk around in a pizzagate tshirt otherwise they'd attract so much negative attention.
shaboyi999 ago
I believe it is true, why, the whole thing is way too complicated to be fake.
Lunari ago
Thank you. I'm glad to know at least some people are aware of this!
amCassandraAMA ago
that guy is slandering basically everybody in this sub that is doing real work, including me, there is no reason to trust anything he says, just read how he is trying to get some credibilty by calling his list 'armyseer approved'.
Not even talking about Pizzagate-Gear here I dont care what he is, but he appears quite larpy to me.
There is no reason to trust me either, except that I actually provide work to the sub, compare our submission history. All he does is creating a sub to call out people without any evidence.
I wouldn't care about it, if it wouldn't start to cost me real money, as a couple of us researchers are trying to fund a real news outlet business. That level of organised slander is inacceptible
LawofTruth ago
I agree with you completely @amCassandraAMA
Lunari ago
Thank you for posting this.
This game of thrones guy has posted nothing but distractions and misinformation. Not only that, but there's a certain handful of other distraction / misinformation shills who all will suddenly pop up and support everything this guy posts - every single time. It's all way too obvious..
I am seriously shocked at how people quickly believe all of this guys crap without a single doubt.
Fateswebb ago
So you're saying pegasus is a distraction and misinformation? It is the most definitive and proven information we have seen on the kill room and you contend it's misinformation? Why?
Investigate1999 ago
Only he can speak for himself, but I don't think that he's speaking about the Pegasus ideas. He's speaking about the users, who repost old information and misinformation. After wasting 10 minutes on a video, you're no better off, nor are you more informed.
Fateswebb ago
Well correct me if I am wrong, but this video and analysis was the first time I had seen some of the Pegasus details like the sliding balcony, some of the internal pictures, and analysis of the bricks matching making a definitive proof that the dig room is actually the Pegasus. So I'm seeing that as helping and not disinformation. Now sure he could be making up the contact with jimmycomet, but there is no proof he is.
Investigate1999 ago
If that was the first time, then you aren't paying attention to the conversation here. The photos and the text are from this forum, and he is discussing what others have researched and posted.
Fateswebb ago
Oh I have been paying attention, I had not seen the bricks compared or the roller room picture yet is all. Which is new stuff. But it's not like I can read every comment on every topic. Still he is bringing up relevant information. I agree it's a bad idea to buy shirts which require you to give personal details. But I do feel like he is posting interesting stuff. I mean it's a compilation of information we have here so there is no one contributor, we are sharing the load. I feel like he is at least trying, even if he has a motive, profits..
Investigate1999 ago
Ah, I see.
Then bear in mind, that some people have been guessing that he could be setting this all up to look legitimate, with the intent of gathering personal information. Think about how devious this would be, if it were the CIA or James, or a friend of James...and they were pretending to gather all this research, just so that they could cozy up with us, and then gather our contact information.
I honestly don't know what to believe any more. I just want us all to be safe. :-)
Fateswebb ago
Absolutely, or even say he is legit, but James or someone gets to him and in the process get ahold of the customer list, not sure I want my personal details in there.
victuruslibertas ago
The whole story does not smell right. This is the first time I have heard someone get threatened by Alefantis. Is JA that dumb? Cmon guys.. It's also suspect he didn't record the phone call with all the death threats... There's PG videos that have gotten millions of views and no one has reported a death threat. This needs to be investigated further as it seems to me like an attempt to scare people from doing further investigative work OR a revenue scheme. PS - If you are fearing for your life, why repost the original video? A police report won't do shit if they want to suicide you.
Atatarkus ago
Yeah he said he never had time to get an app to record the call when he got that ridiculous countdown message but surely he would download that as soon as the call ended ( i know i would have) just incase he got another chance which of course he did later on. The whole thing smells like shit to me, if the guy is being truthful then i feel sorry for him because this post proves theres too much grey area for this story to be taken seriously.
Investigate1999 ago
It's also a lie to claim that it's a hobby. We're investigating alleged pedophiles, human traffickers, and cannibals. Anybody, who says that this is just a hobby is lying. It's legal to lie, but I personally don't approve of this. If he's going to lie to James, then how do we know that he isn't lying to us?
victuruslibertas ago
True
newworldahead ago
True... however remember that IsThisGameofThrone contacted JA directly for an interview. This is probably the reason why there was a direct conversation followed by death threaths.
victuruslibertas ago
Certainlyin the realm of possibilities.
quantokitty ago
Agreed.
silverstar23 ago
Have you seen his instagram?
TheCrickler ago
No matter how dumb JA is, we'd be even dumber to believe somebody's claims of a phone call, FB chat, and text message convo without definitive proof. It's incredibly easy to fake all three.
victuruslibertas ago
Sure, that's before his Pedo exposure to the world. Just an odd story IMO.. Regardless, I assume JA will not be happy with the repost and threat video and will contact him again and perhaps get a livestream going. That would nail it shut.
Drunkenmoba ago
OP is at a Starbucks doing paid work to hide things. Contractor in SF.
CantWeJustDroneHim ago
The Alefantis post really concerns me. If it is legitimate, then there are obvious concerns there. If it is fake however, then the shills have effectively won finally. This area seems pretty well split (and passionate) about this being real and fake. They may have actually just fractured the community. Especially if we get a reveal that this is faked, then it shows how easily we can be manipulated.
redditsuckz ago
Not really...there is no stopping this train...Psyops no matter how large dont last long around here...
Its more like..."meh"...and we all move on and continue investigating.
Pizzatemp420 ago
Exactly. If you psyop a community that understands psyops, can it REALLY affect them in the long term? At most it would distract us fairly temporarily, but how many people are really focusing all of their time on THIS story anyway? The only way to win is to check every angle, and statistically most of those will turn out to be bogus before we find the whole truth anyway. Just don't forget that we are being watched HERE and forces are working against us HERE. If it turns out to be false, just move on.
CantWeJustDroneHim ago
Sorry, you're absolutely right and I should have clarified. I didn't mean "won" as in stopped investigation, I meant "won" as far as discrediting and splintering community instead of a United front
Pizzatemp420 ago
I didn't mean to sound aggressive. No need to be sorry :)
CantWeJustDroneHim ago
Not aggressive, after reading your post I realized mine could be interpreted as "whelp they've split us, might as well pack up and go home" as opposed to the intended "looks like the shills have finally completed their first successful splintering, which shows they can, with many more possible to follow, stay strong. "
OrwellKnew ago
If it's a fake then just shows how desperate they are. Proves we are on target
I say everyone relax and wait a bit. The truth will come out. Police reports can be obtained on request
wokethefkup ago
Upvoated. That's a method commonly used; divide and conquer. And you can see it happening already.
superchargedv8 ago
@unconceivable Thanks for going through the trouble of making a video on this and the hover name too, this shit needs to be called out, he's trying to capatalize on people's emotions during the investigation and making a mockery of it.
unconceivable ago
Manipulating Hover Proof
ThePuppetShow ago
Will this work if you close the browser and re-open it? What I'm getting at is, if Ryan made a new vid starting out with his browser closed would that prove he didn't edit the link. I would try it myself but I quit facebook a year ago.
Laserchalk ago
Yes it would reset if you closed and reopened it. It is possible to create scripts that would automatically change it though. You would also have to see evidence of no extensions being used in the browser that allow you to do that.
TruthIsMyReligion ago
ZERO subscribers on this 8 yr old youtube channel. This dude has no friends?
unconceivable ago
The phone number is posted in the construction permits in his other video. Top right at 5:10 in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7PcSf4Tj8o&feature=youtu.be
SIMONBARROW ago
Apparently the phone number there is out a digit and is not Alefantis's.
Fateswebb ago
Oh man good find. So it could actually be a mind fuck. Hmm.
wellington33 ago
well... that's true.
unconceivable ago
And I was able to recreate the name popup on hover, too. I don't know if I want to make another video, though. I hope everyone on here will just be careful. People will fuck with this website
wellington33 ago
in your video you can see that when you hover the mouse over the fake "James Alefantis" name, a sticky comes up with the real name. in the video from ryan, that sticky keeps saying James Alefantis, i think you cant fake that
Ciscogeek ago
Every webpage element is manipulatable. within the same session.
unconceivable ago
You can fake that too, change the title attribute. There are ways. Google it. All I'm saying is that there are people on this site trying to cause us to do stupid things, like storm a museum. Be careful and investigate all claims
Manipulating Hover Proof
wellington33 ago
well, Ryan is CLEARLY saying that nobody should go Pegasus. he is saying pretty much the opposite to what you are saying here.
quantokitty ago
Seriously, are you a friend of this guy or what? I wake up to his BS posted all over the site, tying it up with this guy crying, whining and having a meltdown and you defending him. Ryan shouldn't be telling anyone anything because he's a jerk and other people aren't. There was already a video of someone going to the Pegasus Museum and obtaining the number of a truck parked out in front. Guess what? The person didn't put themselves in the video? Didn't provoke JA by trying to chat with him? Didn't give out any person information? Didn't roll over and give his name and phone number? Seriously? This could have been actually interesting, but is not because of the way it's been handled.
Investigate1999 ago
Thank you for speaking out! I've run out of voting power, so all I can do is reply to cheer you on!
quantokitty ago
You're welcome.
Lunari ago
Wellington is probably one of the ones within a group of shills that all "mysteriously" seem to show up to strongly support anything and everything this game of thrones guy posts. It's all a huge distraction and bothering to even respond to them is just enabling them. If everyone would just ignore their attempts at distractions and misinformation - maybe they'd just go away.
Investigate1999 ago
I never thought about ignoring him. That's a good idea.
quantokitty ago
An upvoat for you. Too true. Have no idea how they've taken over the forum. IF this happened, and had been handled properly, it would be amazing. As it is, it's annoying.
johnson444 ago
Hello Alefantis, go back to bed
FalsePseudonym ago
Some weak one liner like this reaches the top of the thread, but others who are making very rational arguments for evidence get buried? I'm just saying: we should probably encourage discussions rather than dribble on this investigative forum - regardless of what you feel on individual issues.
retreaux ago
Now, the onus is on @IsThisGameOfThrones to prove this critique is not valid. So far, this rebuttal is very convincing. I only want to support information that can be reproduced/verified.
I could care less about some justice warrior's personal obsession.
Investigate1999 ago
I agree. As much as I want these guys to hang, I don't want them to be harassed or mistreated. I want them to be nailed by only solid evidence.
Cazmir ago
How can you guys believe a dude that is selling pizzagate clothing. HE IS SELLING PIZZAGATE CLOTHING. HE IS NOT IN FUCKING DANGER.
"was just hiding out from JA and protecting my family. but i had time to screenprint 20 more #pizzagate shirts."
Open your fucking eyes. Do some critical thinking on your own.
Pizzatemp420 ago
I don't think we are to believe he's silk screening his own shirts. It's much more likely he's doing it through a third party, I.e. The ones that come across Facebook constantly.
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
This guy is making a claim that could be libel, and sued in court if he's lying. Selling shirts is a bit on the questionable side, maybe. But how much do you think he'd make selling 100 shirts? Ever tried to sell shirts online, it's near impossible. It's not a get rich quick scheme, or make a bunch of money quick scheme. Nothing wrong with questioning his evidence of the threats, but I don't see the selling of shirts as a reason to immediately discredit his intentions.
I get the disdain for people trying to profit from the investigation. But how is it any different than Reality Calls or David Seaman (arguably some of the best faces for Pizzagate). They literally ask for donations. If you give 20 bucks to either of them for a donation, they get all of it. If you give 20 bucks for a shirt, he might get 3 or 4 bucks. I don't get the separation, in fact, it seems quite a bit less profitable to sell shirts than to directly ask for donations.
Cazmir ago
I suppose i agree. Digging through all the bullshit is so tedious now. it's hard to tell who is genuine.
murphy212 ago
Indeed you can fake anything on a web browser with local javascript (e.g. plugin). He would need to give his FB password to a trusted third-party and have him login in and check, OR he would have to log into a trusted third-party computer (through VNC or whatever) and access his FB through there (the computer admin would be recording the desktop session).
The issue is one of trust. You cannot trust someone who speaks on YT, nor can you trust a computer you don't control. You could trust code, but you can't look at the code running on the guy's computer. You could however trust a third-party, who would have to be involved in the verification. That's the only way IMO without FB involvement (which would anyway also be a third-party).
Faking this would be a good way to publicize his t-shirts. But the value of his shirts come from the funny catch phrases he came up with (which you can copy and easily make/order your own shirts with). Plus he found/published that museum kill room stuff. So my two cents is he's telling the truth. If he's a shill, he's not good at his job.
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
I think he might be telling the truth too, and I really want to believe fully. Unfortunately, since we'll never hear the phone calls, we would still have to take his words on the threats of JA.
Investigate1999 ago
That's a good point. I think that the community needs to decide on that. I guess if we allow people to ask for donations, then PIzzagate Gear should be, too.
AreWeSure ago
The selling of shirts is wierd. This could be a stunt to bring attention to himself to sell more shirts.
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
It could, but you would have to be stupid to directly lie and commit libel for what, maybe a few hundred bucks if you're lucky? Seems like a lot of smart work that would be hard for a stupid person to do, for not a lot of money.
AreWeSure ago
maybe he's trying to become a internet pesonality a la Cernovic
I agree it's stupid. But have you seen his stuff?
ProudTruther ago
Yeah I honesyly don't think this guy gives a shit about being youtube famous.
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
I saw the original pegasus video, and his threat video. Then watched his videos of him attempting to provide proof of conversation on facebook and the phone. Are there more?
BlueTesla ago
He had the tshirts already to be fair, you can order them from websites with relative ease and he did that before JA was on to him.
quantokitty ago
Exactly. Good work. The guy allegedly has JA's phone number and doesn't have that checked out before posting here? What? Come on now! And he actually believes JA threatens him and his family over the phone and you don't report it to the police. Another big come on now! Very implausible.
wellington33 ago
he made a police report dude, do your homework before shitposting.
quantokitty ago
Last night he hadn't. Am I right? Last night he never said he made a report. He came on here and was talking about it or am I mistaken? I watched the video last night when it first happened and he never mentioned reporting it.
loneIy_jew ago
No, he posted a screenshot of his call log last night. He called the police pretty shortly after his last phone call with Alefantis.
wellington33 ago
yes, he said it last night, he made at least 3 different threads, and everything just didint happend in one minute, it was a long time dude. again, do your homework before shitposting. he evenn posted a call log showing he called police department.
Investigate1999 ago
If you saw the call log, then post the link. It's your responsibility. There is too much junk in this forum for us to read it all.
wellington33 ago
my responsibillity?? your responsability is to keep yourself informed just like i did. anyway, so you can just shut the fuck up: https://i.sli.mg/HWCQ7e.png
Investigate1999 ago
There are hours of text to scroll through. Nobody has time for it all.
[edit: thanks for posting the image, though]
nomorepepperoni ago
AND a PD card with the officer's name, badge, and report number.
throwawaa ago
He can make a real police report. That does nothing to prove that he talked with Alefantis.
quantokitty ago
Pardon me for not freakin' reading THREE DIFFERENT THREADS! I watched the first video he made, and he NEVER mentioned calling the police! Never! He only explained why he took the video down. If he mentioned it, why is it that people were giving him the number of the police to call and telling him to report it? Okay, so I didn't read EVERYTHNG, I read and opened the first thread ... then I woke up this morning. The guy is/was a complete jerk. He should never have been calling JA. He's one person removed from Podesta. You don't do that ... especially when you're a jerk. Okay? That's my opinion.
goat_cheese_pizza ago
dont let the shills get to you man. it was obviously a hoax. you aren't going crazy. it's just a lot of shills are all in here upvoting and agreeing w each other and it makes you feel crazy.
quantokitty ago
Thanks, but I don't feel crazy. Never doubt yourself for going against the crowd. I'm only pissed that it's dominating this forum, that's all. It's BS. All of it.
goat_cheese_pizza ago
ultimately, it is good evidence and investigative work that will stand above all this bs. the people really doing investigative work wont be distracted by this.
quantokitty ago
True. The majority of people here are not falling for this. It's just a slow day for hard investigative journalism. But the whole vibe with a shill post is different. I'm remembering some of the really great investigative finds and the work was meticulous. They just posted it and let other people find the thread. They didn't create a hundred threads and create chaos.
banusaur ago
Sometimes your desperation makes me feel bad for you and I have to remind myself you rape-kill babies.
Investigate1999 ago
That's a tall accusation. You don't know what that person is like. Just because (s)he disagrees with you doesn't mean that he's guilty.
If anything, you are the shill here.