Well yeah. IIRC abuse victims have come out and said this. If you are pretty or intelligent, you are spared, tortured and mind controlled. Otherwise you are killed.
They are Useful Idiots on another scale. Alefantis is one of them. However, even if he was a victim of child abuse and torture, his sins outweigh his good. He needs to be tried for his crimes, like everyone else.
IIRC Robert Fish (the serial killer) was beaten and molested as a child. Doesn't mean the fact that he killed and ate children was suddenly okay. He was made into a psychopath, not born as one, but that doesn't excuse his shit.
Being influential without any formal position and without being known for anything means that James Alefantis was most likely a fixer. The Oxford Dictionary of English defines fixer as
a person who makes arrangements for other people, especially of an illicit or devious kind.
I do not know what Alefantis was fixing. Exhibition opportunities for artist, gay sex, ping pong balls? I do not think it was pizza for Hillary's campaign staff.
"Fixer". Damn it, I am tired! Please forgive me; sometimes I have delayed reactions but rest assured I am always thinking. A "fixer". Gee, might that explain his post-Benghazi visits to the White House? Thank you for your post. It gives me a new angle to pursue.
LOL! No? Maybe he has the REAL secret to perfect dough! (OOPS, I guess that was a pun.) I would say more like children. That is the angle I am looking at, anyway. We will see what I find in Washington.
I do not have time to catch people up on the last four years of Benghazi. If you do not follow the connection I do not know what else to say. I have a trip to prepare for. I cannot write a book at this time.
Many, which is why I am asking about him. His link to the Clinton Foundation is more than the occasional "dinner party". I am just running a lead. That is what investigators do. Ask questions, get the answers (which lead to more questions), ask more questions, repeat.
Amazing how the trolls are out attacking me and I have barely been on Voat for a little over a week! Been following me on other forums, by any chance? Worried about my upcoming trip? Now run along and play.
"I believe the vast majority of agents are clean and just doing their job."
The only reason you'd believe something like that is because you accept at face value the Hollywood depiction of the CIA. Most people mistake Hollywood for reality.
Voat.co research has established that Alefantis has a vast business empire - he has so many fingers in so many pies, the only logical explanation is that his career as a restauranteur is only a very small part of the picture and may just be a cover.
I feel like he was an abducted child that someone powerful like my guess would be daddy Bush, and he was special enough to keep and treat him like a Queen.
I don't want to discourage any potential talking point or any line of investigation. Certainly, I think these people who are involved think they're untouchable and have left a lot of clues hidden in plain sight. This could be one of them, but I think some people might be reading too much into the GQ ranking thing.
It's definitely intriguing at first glance, but my thinking is that a simpler explanation is that the writers who were compiling this list probably wanted to include a few non-politicians so the list isn't too boring and is moderately entertaining to check out.
I hope they do... I know it will be more or less what I wrote at https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1507493/7322268 ... but it will be good to have it on the record since their website seems to leave out a lot of the explanatory info that is in the print magazine.
I think you are missing my point. CIA gets lumped into one category by conspiracy theorists. "EVERYONE IN CIA IS INVOLVED IN DEEP, DARK, MURKY, SATANIC CRAP." See what I mean? I am simply making the distinction. Now I really need to get back to the focus of my threads.
It's odd that Alefantis is listed as "Bon Vivant" in addition to "Restaurateur". Is that an inside joke? How did he earn his reputation as a notable Bon Vivant?
Definition of bon vivant
plural bons vivants play \ˌbän-vē-ˈvän(t)s, ˌbōⁿ-vē-ˈväⁿ(z)\ or bon vivants play \same\
: a person having cultivated, refined, and sociable tastes especially with respect to food and drink
its a great question. I think that you guys are missing something. I am trying to tell you, but I sound crazy trying to tell you this. in order to truly understand pizzagate, you must understand the pizza, you must understand the rose. Alefantis is obviously in the ruling rosicrucean elite. I left something big already on VOAT, its kind of being buried. The videos are not the best quality, but if you follow, you will not look at pizzagate, nor art the same ever again. Picasso can only be seen in light of pizzagate, through the rose. Remember American Beauty ? Remember Mena Survari standing in front of the wall that Lester Burnam "lustre burning" the burn't offering of Leopold Bloom of Ulysses (American Beauty is Ulysses as Ulysses was the Oddyssey) got his brains splattered all about. It was actually Mena Survari whose brains were blown out. There was a transfer in meaning through the rose. Our movies are about pizzagate, our poems are about pizzagate, our greatest artists have painted pizzagate though secret symbolism. the pizza is the rose. it is made of flour "flower", the pepperonis are little red roses. the round like pie. 3.14 the evil mirror of 13/14, the mirror cross. a black mass. DiVinci's Last Supper, the two marks on the floor, draw them up and you will see that there is an invisible cross on Christs back because he was the meal. That is why Judas is pictured with the knife making the kill gesture with his other hand. Christ being sacrificed is the religion of the rosicruceans. All the pieces fit. Here is an article I put out there: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1506322
You can do all the hard research, but if you don't even know who you are up against... well isn't the the first rule in the art of war, to know who you enemy is ?
OK, but we do not want to get too far afield. The focus is the Clinton Foundation. We cannot bust up the rosicruceans, the illuminati (no longer their name), and every pedophile/human trafficking ring in the world. We have to focus on D.C. right now if we want to break this up. The information is good as background, but we have to stay on course.
He who rules the symbols rules the world. "The Rose upon the Rood of Time". The pizza is the rose. If you don't know what you are looking for, how are you ever going to find it? florentine, fleur, fleur de mal, Baudelaire. the rose. Picassos entire rose period, african period and cubist period can only be understood through pizzagate, and pizzagate only through the rose.
yes, done that search. WE ARE TAKING FOR GRANTED EVERYTHNG that is being "handed to us" by the web, regarding this so called "Alefantis"...
and no, I'm not going to ask anyone to "excuse my caps key". bite me if you don't like it. Guy is either Alefantis or not, but he APPEARS to use "Achilles" just as much if not more than his supposed last name. Very interesting references in any case. He's not who he is claimed to be. May be a former victim himself, for all we know (which doesn't excuse a thing, frankly, since now he's "joined the team") - and what with the multiple personality traits he exhibits, plus his trained ACTING (on camera, etc) I'd say he's a ringer.
On IG he was actually messaging back and forth to one of the first people who called him out. He said he is Greek and that Achilles is his middle name.
Someone also says he uses the middle name "Strand" rather than "Achilles", as in the name of his art gallery. I agree with you that it is not his real name, although someone has traced what she believes to be his genealogy. The interesting part of that is there is nothing on the mother's side other than the mother.
Which again, runs with a theory I've been floating for a while. Alefantis may or may not be adopted by his "mother" of the same name. If I were a betting man, I'd bet the name was changed one or two generations before him. Probably because of its phonetic association with "Jaime Les Enfants". Pedo tends to run in families. WHo knows - they may have been run out of another country for being pedo and changed the last name when they arrived on our shores.
Andrés is chair of the advisory board for LA Kitchen,[3] a social enterprise in Los Angeles, California that works to reduce food waste, provide job training, and increase access to nutritious food.
His pizza place is chosen for big fundraisers, but why?
The only time he ever seemed to come up was as the lover of David Brock back when they were an item, but David Brock is not on the list of "most powerful" people in D.C. despite crating and owning Media Matters for America and super PACS like Correct the Record.
Yet his ex-boyfriend James Alefantis is considered more powerful.
I came across some accusations that Alefantis owns a contracting company and owns a property which he's turning into an art museum. Supposedly he is a co owner of another restaurant in Berlin with the guy who owns Dr. Pong. Alefantis is also the President of an art gallery exhibit held for very important people, including many ambassadors.
"His pizza place is chosen for big fundraisers, but why? "
I have organized a number of events that involve feeding a bunch of people. The only time I organize an event that involves feeding people pizza is because I have no real budget to work with/those funding the event are cheapskates. DNC has a lot of money and they are trying to draw in more money via deep pockets. Doesn't make sense to have their fundraiser at a Chuck E Cheese kinda place with kids running around. Very fishy indeed.
The nonprofit organization is not “owned” by the person or persons that started it. It is a public organization that belongs to the public at-large. The parties responsible to operate the organization for the stakeholders are the members of the board of directors.
Also, a nonprofit corporation cannot be sold. It is simply not possible. If a nonprofit corporation were to “close down”, or dissolve, the board of directors of the nonprofit must distribute all of the nonprofit’s assets to another nonprofit corporation after all debts have been settled.
Also it's a magazine article. Big Whoop.
Are Channing Tatum and Chris Helmsworth less sexy than when they were Sexiest Man Alive! Does People magazine do scientific tests to measure their Sexyness! What's the unit of Sexiest? Is it the Jewel? The Swayze?
And of course no one gets around that. Ever. Never. Which is why the FBI is investigating the Clinton Foundation. Because it is impossible for them to be engaging in illegal activities. Because they are a non-profit. Because non-profits always follow the law. They never work around it. Nope. Never. (GET REAL!)
He probably WAS like a pop up politician you see, like George Clooney; it LOOKS LIKE he's being groomed, but maybe, maybe not. Even Trump just got lucky. But nah. Too geh anyway.
Slowly but surely I get the feeling that Alefantis and friends are imposing to be pedos to lure real pedos in, but on the other hand this is impossible because of the investigations from the web. Reading everyday about this stuff really makes me sad...
Also you are only searching the online site which is just the Gallery. Not the full article from the magazine
Every person was given a little blurb of copy. Eater DC pulled out these quotes
Then, coming in at #49, Alefantis makes the list as both a "restaurateur and bon vivant" thanks to the "liberal twentysomethings in khakis" who eat at Comet Ping Pong and the "[m]ore established progressives" who flock to Buck's Fishing & Camping. Also, "If you don't know him, you aren't wearing your scarf right." Well OK then.
His "power" seems to be on the social scene because people eat in his restaurants. You have heard of the idea of a "trendsetter."
Yeah... if you actually read the full articles that aren't on the site, you will see that the ranking isn't meant as a serious objective ranking of power in the federal government; it's the results of a survey they do every couple of years of big shots in DC to get an idea of who has "buzz" in the city on the various areas GQ is interested in. They deliberately exclude the president and vice president, and they encourage having some local flavor in the list by including who's hot in the local upper-crust social scene. They even admit straight up that the list is there to get people talking and arguing and buying the magazine so they can argue more -- see http://www.gq.com/story/the-50-most-powerful-people-in-washington
Remember GQ is not primarily a political magazine, it's a men's fashion and culture magazine that has a little bit of politics and sports in it. So it covers things like local socialites (hence the party planners in the list), the foodie scene (which is why there's always one or two local chefs in the list), arts and culture (that's why Politics & Prose is in there), and so on. The writers for GQ would probably laugh their heads off to learn that pizzagate thinks their list is meant to be some objective ranking of political power.
Searching the quotes, I found this showing what appears to be his full GQ article
“Liberal twentysomethings in khakis drink beer and eat pizza at Alefantis-owned Comet Ping Pong. More established progressives wine and dine next door at Alefantis-owned Buck’s Fishing Camping. Alefantis is also the board president of Transformer, the contemporary art gallery that shamed the Smithsonian for removing an installation offensive to right-wingers. When it comes to D.C. radical chic, Alefantis is unsurpassed. If you don’t know him, you aren’t wearing your scarf right.”
Sure. But OK. So he is such a "trend-setter" that he has 13 other properties in Washington D.C., McLean VA, Falls Church VA, and NY City? He sells THAT MUCH PIZZA? No way. And AGAIN, back to the Clinton Foundation (which is why I even care about the guy; I am not a sex-ring RICO cop) why is George Soros and the CF donating to him? Something else has to be going on. And I am sorry, but such a "trend-setter" would surely garner the interest of some lifestyle magazine editor who would have done at least one piece telling of his rise to fame.
Sure. But OK. So he is such a "trend-setter" that he has 13 other properties
Do you know the term non-sequitur? Because this is a non-sequitur. It very well might be. I have no way of knowing.
Is it surprising that a businessman who has two popular restaurants has other businesses? Not really.
If you have a track record and pay your bills on time, you could easily get bank loans. Pizza is probably not what he makes his money on. Booze is probably the biggest profit.
Nobody is "donating" to him, least of all George Soros. This is people misreading FEC reports.
The first is an exact duplicate of another article and it is about Guy Fiero. The second really doesn't say much of anything other than about what's-her-name. I am talking about an actual feature article:
Hello, Mr. Alefantis. Could you tell our readers how you got your start?
"Well, blah, blah, blah."
Where did you grow up?
"Blah, blah."
What got you into the pizza business?
"Blah."
How did you come up with the concept of Buck's?
ETC.
I assume he must have been pretty well off to begin with, considering the part of town he grew up in. And the Soros thing wasn't a donation, it clearly says it was a payment for catering services. Ask anyone you know who has had to put on a large catered event... maybe you have someone in your family who had to foot the bill for a large wedding reception... they can tell you how quickly the costs pile up.
You have to connect the dots and not take things at face value. So, George Soros, the multi-billionaire, who lives in New York City and jets all over the world...the guy who has destroyed four countries and his trying to destroy this one, who "broke the Bank of England", calls James Alefantis for catering services? Why? Isn't he more of a lobster tail kinda guy? Add in all the weird crap going on at CPP, toss in their "art" and "music", and something else is happening here. Not to mention what I said in my article about Benghazi. WHY is he visiting the White House?
How did the Weather Bloggers make 38?
38. Capital Weather Gang
Bloggers, The Washington Post
Why did another restaurant owner make #41?
41. José Andrés
Restaurateur
How did three party planner make #42?
42. Svetlana Legetic, Jayne Sandman, Barbara Martin
Party planners
How did a pitcher make #47
47. Stephen Strasburg
Perhaps it's actually hard to come up with an interesting list of 50 and perhaps genuine power is not exactly the criteria. If you think style and trends and influences day to day life, it makes sense to have a baseball player and a couple of restaurant owners on the list. Also Weather Bloggers, they literally have the power to control the weather.
Pitcher, Washington Nationals
Yes, but GQ is more of a sideline issue to make the point that THERE IS NO BIOGRAPHY ON THE 49TH MOST POWERFUL PERSON IN WASHINGTON D.C. I can look up Strasburg and find out all about him.
By bographies you mean wikipedia pages? I tried to find other wiki pages from people in that list and I couldn't find some of them too. Honest question, not trying to bash your post, bro.
GQ is not the sideline issue. They made the list. They used their own criteria to make the list.
Of course, you can look up information on Strasburg, he's an All-Star baseball player. You can look up info on any major league baseball player, even the scrubs. That's not surprising at all. Pro sports occupies a giant place in our culture and there's only a small number of pro athletes. Every newspaper has a whole section dedicated to sports.
My point about Strasburg is what is his power? How does he yield this power outside his day job of pitching for the Nationals? What about the weather bloggers? Or the party planners?
Anyone who is taking this list as some absolute accounting of power in America, or even just in DC, is taking things waaaaay too literally.
Except that it appears to be true. How else do you account for donations from both the Clinton Foundation and George Soros? Where is he getting hundreds of millions of dollars to buy thirteen high-priced properties? From PIZZA?
He is not getting donations from them. You're completely off track there and don't understand how FEC reports work.
Also hundreds of millions of dollars? Not a real estate person are you? You are off on the value of these properties and the amount of upfront money needed to acquire them.
HELLO??? 1) There is a BIG, FAT, HUGE ARTICLE on his purchase in Kalorama! (BTW, Podesta bought one, too.) 2) There is something called a "TAX ASSESSOR'S OFFICE"! 3) Why the FUCK are you defending these people?!
Yes. I realize that. But I doubt I can buy thirteen properties in four different counties spanning two states and the District with just "good looks" and a pizza joint for collateral.
I am not a real estate agent. However, I have bought a house (not recently). I know it is not easy jumping through hoops to get ONE. Never mind THIRTEEN, one of which is in NEW YORK CITY, one of the two highest-priced cities in the country!
His "power ranking" on its face is baffling. I have a hard time believing he is CIA because of how... public... he has been with his posts and crazy shit up until people began digging. Wouldn't he be less ostentatious if he was CIA? I could see the elites thinking they could brand anyone who called the shitbag out on his creepy posts as "homophobic" because they have used that label so successfully to brand people in the recent years... but I have a hard time believing the CIA would be directly partnered with someone so sloppy. JMO.
Sometimes intelligence agencies will use idiots because it gives them plausible deniability if/when the person gets caught. But, he is far too eager to do the twisted things he is doing for me to believe he is an actual employee. In fact, he is so out there I doubt they would even use him as PD. But someone has to be behind him. Where is he getting all of this money that he has thirteen very high-dollar properties? From selling PIZZA? Did David Brock give him a zillion dollars? And AGAIN, NO BIO TO BE FOUND? There is way more to this guy.
Soros has been shown to be a CPP donor, right? His name tied to it surely gives pause. I could see HIM working with this sicko and hanging him out to dry when he is no longer useful to their cause, whatever it really is. :/
His genealogy? How in hell did they come up with that when we have no idea who he is? Where is the link? I am still new to Voat and have not figured out how to find things very well yet.
Yeah I guess. It was a really well put together post, and now I can't find it. He found out that Alefontis is his real last name, his father was connected to Boy Scouts of America, go figure, he found a bunch of other odd things, suggesting his family has been doing this sort of thing for generations.
Yeah. I guess those are some large leaps to say this is generational, I don't mean to slander the guy. Until some authorities investigate this case, and he is questioned, this is all just pure speculation. I must say though, the evidence that has been gathered by internet sleuths is not doing him any favors.
So because he was David Brock's boyfriend he got to visit the White House five times? And specifically on September 26 & 27, 2012? Why does he own so many properties within a mile of the George Bush Intelligence Center (McLean)? So many questions.
Because politicians do what they're told by the people who control them, the donors, and are vulnerable to public opinion. Brock with his propaganda can sway vast swathes of the public. It's a damning indictment of power and political culture
True, it is strange, is Brock higher on the list? They're hardly facting in the influence that comes with providing children or drugs? I know back in the day Larry King would have been named one of the most influential in political circles, and I spose the rumours were around that he was into chikldren and drugs, the supply of them... hard to know what it is that GQ is saying, because there surely is no legitimate way he should be this powerful, unless they're factoring in illegal things....
The honeypot black mail technique. You get a bunch of people to play ping pong, then you roll out the naked little kids, then who ever doesn't bail on the party out of pure disgust, is instantly compromised due to the fact that the entire place you are in is heavily bugged with cameras and microphones. The ones who stay that are photographed with the naked kids are fucked. The ones who actually engage in sex with the kids are ultimate puppets. Also to note the government uses pedos in the military to become puppets. Say you are a suspected pedo fresh faced in the military. They find out you like fucking kids, they come to you saying "we know you like to fuck kids, you have two options. We can report you to the proper authorities, or we can work something out where you do what we say". You can see the power that they wield with having an unlimited supply of children to use in this matter. You can also see that no one is given a position of power, unless they are mailable. It appears that James Alefontis might be the procurer of children for this technique, which would explain his 49th most powerful person in DC title, ladies and gentlemen of the jury. This ultimately keeps good people from obtaining positions of power.
Yeah, I keep hearing that theory about CIA, but I am still not quite buying it. There may be some rogue group within CIA doing it, but I cannot believe CIA 1) would endorse such activities and that 2) Congress has never discovered them? I am sorry; I grew up studying CIA and when people beginning spewing dark underworld conspiracy theories about them I balk. Yes, they engage in clandestine activities, but CIA as an institution is not a pedophile ring. I will just have to leave the jury out on that one for now.
I have. I am buried. Completely buried. But yes, I have. Again, this is about focus. We can spend the rest of our lives running every single possible scenario in existence. But if we want to take the CF down, we have to narrow it down. Did you go to college? You do not do a dissertation on everything-in-the-fucking-world. You outline a topic, then you narrow it down. Then you zero in. I am in the "zero in" phase.
Sorry, i didnt take the course on how to take down a global pedo ring in college. I have been following this stuff and the occult for over 20 years now though. I know this thread went off the rails but the CIA is a central part of the whole operation imo and definitely should not be overlooked. Peace.
You are forgetting the Podesta emails, as well as what FBIAnon told us! Screw college for a second and pay attention! "Private security experts". Remember? That is how the Clinton Foundation has waged this war. Let me tell you something that is not very popular. I have spoken to Kris Paronto repeatedly and we had a huge falling-out. Why? Because I knew he was hiding something and he kept saying "someone will have to come forward". Why not him? Well, now I have a pretty good-fucking-idea. Why was that "CIA annex" there in the first place? Spying on gun-running? HELLO? CIA was DROPPING the fucking guns into Syria so what was to watch? "Private security experts." Hmmmm. Just who signed his paychecks? WHY did Hillary refuse to do what was necessary in order to turn that compound into a consulate? WHY? Maybe because if she made it an official consulate or, God forbid, an embassy, MARINES would have been there! This is NOT CIA!!!!! Yes, Petraeus was running fucking sarin gas into Syria and I hope he fries for war crimes. But this was NOT an official CIA operation! Why don't you CIA haters open your eyes and see what happened? OR, are you paid shills trying to SELL this bullshit story?
One last thing. According to Paronto's OWN BOOK, he was in all of the wrong places at all of the wrong times. He did not reach the compound until AFTER the attack. He was on building A when building D was hit. Yet he is somehow a hero. BTW, WHERE IN HELL IS DYLAN DAVIES? HE shot the photos that night. HE was of extreme interest to Paronto. He said "Tell Davies he needs to speak to me directly." REALLY? So he was in charge of Davies? There are so many questions about "13 Hours" I cannot count them all. SO, before you give me any more CIA conspiracy theories, please tell me WHO IN HELL was signing Paronto's paychecks! Because I think he was one of those "private security experts".
Let me ask you something else. Paronto says he cannot speak because of his confidentiality agreement. Meanwhile, he writes a book (which, if you read it, was self-aggrandizing and TRASHED Delta Force!), and makes a movie. WHAT confidentiality agreement, and if he is such a fucking patriot (maybe, like David Petraeus, whom we find out committed war crimes), WHY IN HELL HAS HE NOT THROWN CAUTION TO THE WIND AND TALKED ABOUT THE FUCKING HUMAN TRAFFICKING GOING THROUGH BENGHAZI??? He is not CIA. He was on the CF payroll. When you get with the program, call me.
It being a pedophile ring isn't wholly accurate - but compromising and controlling political actors with it is a very common tool. And...some of them "sample"
They tried to sway the elections with 'Russia, Russia, Russia' (anyone bump Trump)
They tried to sway the Electors with 'Russia, Russia, Russia' (anyone but Trump)
They're going to say Russia is pushing fake news (to crack down on us exposing them)
What other options do they have to stop Trump getting into office? Marital Law? Murder? Mass Protest on inauguration day?
I'll call it right now
The Greenbaum speech should answer some of your questions.
Keep in mind Iran-contra, and CIA meddling in DEA affairs relating to Escobar investigation. DEA agents believed CIA were covering disgraceful activities. CIA instrumental in utilising Nazi war criminals after WW2 for MKULTRA experiments and regime change/secret police in Chile, Argentina and others. Finally, there's a book written by a Russian Jew about his career in Mossad. The things they get up to, fucking hell, and heavily involved in escort agencies in America to blackmail elites. He seems to be credible, granted CIA isn't Mossad, but I'd bet the CIA wud be willing to go as far.
You realize the CIA brought Coke and Crack in to the urban centers to fund the war in the south americas right? That alone is enough to make someone throw up. Now lets talk about the man Dulles, How many dictators did he prop up? How many democratic elected governments did he overthrow so the american imperialism could continue. That man is reprehensible and a war criminal. Or hell the CIA in Vietnam that started that war? They will do anything to further the goals they want and drugs, guns, and kids are the way to achieve it.
That is just the start of the CIA and know today, imagine what is out there now.
you got me comrade. we here in russia see the decadent west and want it so bad, the freedoms of being spied on (stasi are blushing), Your giant nuclear missiles (limp), and your weak american beer. Let us not forget your rock n roll (drivel). Now it will be our Red October comrade. we shall take the west. Heil Trump we have won! do you want me to put in a good word comrade?
I am here to catch kiddy diddlers not BS like above.
There may be some rogue group within CIA doing it, but I cannot believe CIA 1) would endorse such activities and that 2) Congress has never discovered them?
If you paid any attention to what I have been writing for the past week or so you would know the answer to that question. And this is the last time I am responding to you. (WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO BLOCK PEOPLE?)
No not the whole organization, but it is very possible for the top people and people in key positions to be privately involved. The CIA narrative comes from the Bush family. This is a proven criminal family that has been shaping the way the CIA institutionally looks for decades.
If you want to know more about this read Jeb! and the Bush Crime Family by Roger Stone.
Well there was the Finders, a group within the CIA. Much of this is compartmentalized within alphabet agencies. MKULTRA never ended it simply went more underground and secretive(plus very advanced now with virtual technology to terrorized the children). To properly trauma disassociate a child anal sex in required around the age of 3. One hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing which is why we are seeing leaks springing out. Some inside the agencies are fucking fed up Here's something on the Finders although there is plenty other information out there. https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/27lqws/the_finders_deep_child_abuse_groupcult/
I agree, to a point. You have to realize that the "political" arm of the CIA is joined at the hip with State and it's various entities. State is dirty and rotten to its core, on the political side. My belief is that is where you are going find the real nastiness is inside State and it's infrastructure (planes, ships, warehouses, etc.) who is really doing most of this.
CIA may like the idea of honeypotting foreign agents, but it is the diplomats most likely to be able to get the into the requisite compromising position.
Furthermore - want to know about the logistics infrastructure? Check out International Narcotics and Law. Most of your sordid AFG contractor stories roll up under INL.
That is a much more sane explanation for some of the conspiracy theories I keep seeing and hearing. IF you get yourself into trouble, and CIA can use it to their advantage they will. But that is YOUR problem, not theirs. Same with the KGB. They were/are notorious for taking people's natural inclinations, finding the opportunity to photograph/videotape it, and then own you for the rest of your life.
This would only make a lick of sense if you had reason to believe that the GQ writer putting the list together had the inside scoop on the pedophilia ring and decided to, rather than cover it up, mysteriously stick James on the list because of it.
James is on the list because it's a lifestyle magazine and he was a young, hip gay guy with a popular restaurant.
JA visited the White House six times, didn't he (recalled from memory of watching one of David Seaman's pizzagate youtube videos)? Also JA was David Brock's boyfriend, so he was very politically connected. The restaurant/chef identity is kind of a smokescreen IMO.
The same article also named the guys running the Washington Post weather blog as in the top 50. And another restauranteur, Jose Andres, and three women who work as party planners. It's GQ, not a serious politics mag, so I think they just might have been trying to throw some people in who don't work in politics so it's not super boring.
I'm not sure about that....
I'm guessing the owner at a florist shop, or a taxi-cab company owner might wonder why they were over-looked, if that were the case.
The mag would state that their the most socialite business owner, or some other type of identification, instead of the most influential/powerful.
Something's not right there.
What's GQ's overall deal, other than a mag about gentlemen?
There's quite a bit that would substantiate the claim, to dismiss it is nearly to admit defeat and stop looking when there's much more to understanding why he was 49th.
JA was socialising with the number 23 on the same list Tony and Heather Podesta from as far back as 2004 in a private party for Anna Gaskel at the Podestas house. JA owns two resteraunts in DC, property associated with the pegasus project on DC. He runs a 501 3c not for profit which is an art dealership and more Transformer DC, which frequently hosts exclusive gatherings. Co owns a resteraunt in Berlin Germany nalu diner.
He was dating David Brock for christ sake. David has been described by Time magazine as “one of the most influential operatives in the Democratic Party.”
And that's just what we know about, from searching Google at the time it was published. God knows what else he has going on now. He's not badly placed at 49 and that's not the real question. The question you need to really ask is how did this flunky get started. It's not rags to riches here, it's still blank to hanging out with a Saudi funded individual and artists that sexualise children in 04.
Alefantis was probably groomed to be a child trafficker.
Child Traffickers are needed for the elite...there cant be a shortage of them so they need to create them and groom them from birth.
His father Achilles Alefantis AKA Lee Alefantis was supposedly freinds with Donald M. Kohnstamm on Facebook...he MIGHT be the son of Max Kohnstamm who was with the Bilderberg Group;
He was a former member of the Steering Committee of the Bilderberg Group. He was the Founding European Chairman of the Trilateral Commission
I just found Donald M. Kohnstamm in the 1940 census. His father was Maro Jacque Kohnstamm (1908-1997), so apparently not. But according to the census Maro Jacque Kohnstamm was originally from Pennsylvania, which is where Susan Shoemaker Alefantis' Shoemaker ancestors were from before coming to the Buffalo, NY area. That might be something to explore.
If you listen to/read the story of children survivors the child of the leaders are usually groomed to be a leader. They're all victims, but the person in a leader position still has more power it appears...... From what I can make of that shitstain of a culture.
Rusty Nelson, victim of, and later pornographer for Larry King of the Franklin scandal comes to mind. In that case they seemed to use many victims to recruit other victims
LaDonnaRae ago
Evidently (sorry for the delay; I have not been on Voat for a while): http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/headline-Commentary%3A-The-real-reason-New-York-US-Attorney-Preet-Bharara-was-asked-to-resign-33774.html
PrideOfOshtekk ago
Well yeah. IIRC abuse victims have come out and said this. If you are pretty or intelligent, you are spared, tortured and mind controlled. Otherwise you are killed.
Pretty disgusting.
LaDonnaRae ago
Someone last night suggested Alefantis is a "fixer", which would explain his two late-night visits to the WH on Sept. 26 and 27th.
PrideOfOshtekk ago
They are Useful Idiots on another scale. Alefantis is one of them. However, even if he was a victim of child abuse and torture, his sins outweigh his good. He needs to be tried for his crimes, like everyone else.
IIRC Robert Fish (the serial killer) was beaten and molested as a child. Doesn't mean the fact that he killed and ate children was suddenly okay. He was made into a psychopath, not born as one, but that doesn't excuse his shit.
BethesdaDC ago
Comet Ping Pong = CIA operation
LaDonnaRae ago
No, it is not. This is all Clinton Foundation.
LaDonnaRae ago
WRONG, but thank you for playing. Next time someone hacks into John Podesta's emails and releases them, TRY READING.
catslovejustice ago
Great link!
Petri_Krohn ago
Being influential without any formal position and without being known for anything means that James Alefantis was most likely a fixer. The Oxford Dictionary of English defines fixer as
I do not know what Alefantis was fixing. Exhibition opportunities for artist, gay sex, ping pong balls? I do not think it was pizza for Hillary's campaign staff.
LaDonnaRae ago
"Fixer". Damn it, I am tired! Please forgive me; sometimes I have delayed reactions but rest assured I am always thinking. A "fixer". Gee, might that explain his post-Benghazi visits to the White House? Thank you for your post. It gives me a new angle to pursue.
LaDonnaRae ago
LOL! No? Maybe he has the REAL secret to perfect dough! (OOPS, I guess that was a pun.) I would say more like children. That is the angle I am looking at, anyway. We will see what I find in Washington.
LaDonnaRae ago
I do not have time to catch people up on the last four years of Benghazi. If you do not follow the connection I do not know what else to say. I have a trip to prepare for. I cannot write a book at this time.
LaDonnaRae ago
Spot-on.
LaDonnaRae ago
I guess you have not seen my article: http://ladonnarae1961.blogspot.com/2016/12/benghazi-pizzagate.html
LaDonnaRae ago
Yes. #Benghazi.
LaDonnaRae ago
Many, which is why I am asking about him. His link to the Clinton Foundation is more than the occasional "dinner party". I am just running a lead. That is what investigators do. Ask questions, get the answers (which lead to more questions), ask more questions, repeat.
OrwellKnew ago
My take: GQ is ran and staffed by a buncha phags / dandies
LaDonnaRae ago
LMAO! Entirely possible.
LaDonnaRae ago
FFS. you are a complete waste of my time. If you DID know who I am you would STOP WASTING MY TIME WITH BULLSHIT I ALREADY KNOW!!! Bye now.
LaDonnaRae ago
Amazing how the trolls are out attacking me and I have barely been on Voat for a little over a week! Been following me on other forums, by any chance? Worried about my upcoming trip? Now run along and play.
LaDonnaRae ago
Um, because you obviously have no idea what I have been doing, what I am doing, what I have said, nor anything else...speaking of SHILLS. Bye now.
SIMONBARROW ago
"I believe the vast majority of agents are clean and just doing their job."
The only reason you'd believe something like that is because you accept at face value the Hollywood depiction of the CIA. Most people mistake Hollywood for reality.
Kikimc22 ago
Exactly what I was thinking
SIMONBARROW ago
Voat.co research has established that Alefantis has a vast business empire - he has so many fingers in so many pies, the only logical explanation is that his career as a restauranteur is only a very small part of the picture and may just be a cover.
Millennial_Falcon ago
What does he own other than restaurants?
LaDonnaRae ago
Precisely. I agree completely.
LaDonnaRae ago
There we go. Good points.
srayzie ago
I've been thinking the same thing
LaDonnaRae ago
Another sane comment. SIGH I wish I were getting more of those. LOL
Nana66 ago
I feel like he was an abducted child that someone powerful like my guess would be daddy Bush, and he was special enough to keep and treat him like a Queen.
LaDonnaRae ago
We cannot go on conjecture.
cdglow ago
I don't want to discourage any potential talking point or any line of investigation. Certainly, I think these people who are involved think they're untouchable and have left a lot of clues hidden in plain sight. This could be one of them, but I think some people might be reading too much into the GQ ranking thing.
It's definitely intriguing at first glance, but my thinking is that a simpler explanation is that the writers who were compiling this list probably wanted to include a few non-politicians so the list isn't too boring and is moderately entertaining to check out.
LaDonnaRae ago
Possibly, but given his new profile one would think there would be a BIOGRAPHY on this guy somewhere!
whatonearth ago
I hope they do... I know it will be more or less what I wrote at https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1507493/7322268 ... but it will be good to have it on the record since their website seems to leave out a lot of the explanatory info that is in the print magazine.
LaDonnaRae ago
I think you are missing my point. CIA gets lumped into one category by conspiracy theorists. "EVERYONE IN CIA IS INVOLVED IN DEEP, DARK, MURKY, SATANIC CRAP." See what I mean? I am simply making the distinction. Now I really need to get back to the focus of my threads.
crystalclearme ago
Is a hypothesis I am def working from
LaDonnaRae ago
You can search it online. Interesting changes over the years. LOL
MeatballPizza ago
He and Brock were a 'power couple.' Brock controls the MSM media in DC through the pink mafia network.
LaDonnaRae ago
He still has way too much money for a pizza shop owner.
LaDonnaRae ago
Another Clinton Foundation connection.
ThighHighSwampBoots ago
Based on ....maybe a one night stand. A dead fly on the computer screen. A hangover.
ThighHighSwampBoots ago
ANBRFTS.Y. Ain't nobody ready for that shit. Yet.
ThighHighSwampBoots ago
GQ's crew is a bunch of little boys who sit around gaming and joking about doing each other all day. No longer any serious journalists there, afaik
ThighHighSwampBoots ago
Is he/his father Greek?
LaDonnaRae ago
The genealogy someone posted says Italian, but he has German on his Instagram. Very curious.
Owlhunter ago
It's odd that Alefantis is listed as "Bon Vivant" in addition to "Restaurateur". Is that an inside joke? How did he earn his reputation as a notable Bon Vivant?
Definition of bon vivant plural bons vivants play \ˌbän-vē-ˈvän(t)s, ˌbōⁿ-vē-ˈväⁿ(z)\ or bon vivants play \same\
LaDonnaRae ago
I wonder if that was his own self-description. He is definitely in love with himself.
Julian55 ago
its a great question. I think that you guys are missing something. I am trying to tell you, but I sound crazy trying to tell you this. in order to truly understand pizzagate, you must understand the pizza, you must understand the rose. Alefantis is obviously in the ruling rosicrucean elite. I left something big already on VOAT, its kind of being buried. The videos are not the best quality, but if you follow, you will not look at pizzagate, nor art the same ever again. Picasso can only be seen in light of pizzagate, through the rose. Remember American Beauty ? Remember Mena Survari standing in front of the wall that Lester Burnam "lustre burning" the burn't offering of Leopold Bloom of Ulysses (American Beauty is Ulysses as Ulysses was the Oddyssey) got his brains splattered all about. It was actually Mena Survari whose brains were blown out. There was a transfer in meaning through the rose. Our movies are about pizzagate, our poems are about pizzagate, our greatest artists have painted pizzagate though secret symbolism. the pizza is the rose. it is made of flour "flower", the pepperonis are little red roses. the round like pie. 3.14 the evil mirror of 13/14, the mirror cross. a black mass. DiVinci's Last Supper, the two marks on the floor, draw them up and you will see that there is an invisible cross on Christs back because he was the meal. That is why Judas is pictured with the knife making the kill gesture with his other hand. Christ being sacrificed is the religion of the rosicruceans. All the pieces fit. Here is an article I put out there: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1506322 You can do all the hard research, but if you don't even know who you are up against... well isn't the the first rule in the art of war, to know who you enemy is ?
LaDonnaRae ago
OK, but we do not want to get too far afield. The focus is the Clinton Foundation. We cannot bust up the rosicruceans, the illuminati (no longer their name), and every pedophile/human trafficking ring in the world. We have to focus on D.C. right now if we want to break this up. The information is good as background, but we have to stay on course.
Julian55 ago
He who rules the symbols rules the world. "The Rose upon the Rood of Time". The pizza is the rose. If you don't know what you are looking for, how are you ever going to find it? florentine, fleur, fleur de mal, Baudelaire. the rose. Picassos entire rose period, african period and cubist period can only be understood through pizzagate, and pizzagate only through the rose.
LaDonnaRae ago
The focus is the Clinton Foundation.
yabbadoody ago
anyone found a BIRTH CERTIFICATE for a James Alefantis yet? I'm waiting.
yabbadoody ago
yes, done that search. WE ARE TAKING FOR GRANTED EVERYTHNG that is being "handed to us" by the web, regarding this so called "Alefantis"...
and no, I'm not going to ask anyone to "excuse my caps key". bite me if you don't like it. Guy is either Alefantis or not, but he APPEARS to use "Achilles" just as much if not more than his supposed last name. Very interesting references in any case. He's not who he is claimed to be. May be a former victim himself, for all we know (which doesn't excuse a thing, frankly, since now he's "joined the team") - and what with the multiple personality traits he exhibits, plus his trained ACTING (on camera, etc) I'd say he's a ringer.
Truthseeker3000 ago
On IG he was actually messaging back and forth to one of the first people who called him out. He said he is Greek and that Achilles is his middle name.
LaDonnaRae ago
Someone also says he uses the middle name "Strand" rather than "Achilles", as in the name of his art gallery. I agree with you that it is not his real name, although someone has traced what she believes to be his genealogy. The interesting part of that is there is nothing on the mother's side other than the mother.
Blacksmith21 ago
Which again, runs with a theory I've been floating for a while. Alefantis may or may not be adopted by his "mother" of the same name. If I were a betting man, I'd bet the name was changed one or two generations before him. Probably because of its phonetic association with "Jaime Les Enfants". Pedo tends to run in families. WHo knows - they may have been run out of another country for being pedo and changed the last name when they arrived on our shores.
LaDonnaRae ago
Certainly a possibility.
SheSaidDestroy ago
http://archive.is/l4az1
http://archive.is/lLrvF
Here are all 50 (so that lurkers can quickly/effortlessly see how bizarre his inclusion in the list was):
Eric Cantor - House Majority Leader
Mitch McConnell - Senate Minority Leader
David Plouffe - Senior Advisor to the President
Leon Panetta - Secretary of Defense
Hillary Clinton - Secretary of State
Ben Bernanke - Chairman, Federal Reserve
David Petraeus - Director, CIA
Kevin McCarthy - House Majority Whip
Peter Rouse - Counselor to the President, the White House
Tom Donohue - President, U.S. Chamber of Commerce
Tim Geithner - Treasury Secretary
John Boehner - Speaker of the House
Karl Rove, Steven Law, Ed Gillespie - American Crossroads Crossroads GPS
Tommy Boggs - Chairman, Patton Boggs
Dan Pfeiffer - White House Communications Director
Gene Sperling and Jack Lew - Director, White House National Economic Council New White House Chief of Staff
Chuck Schumer - New York Senator
Grover Norquist - President, Americans for Tax Reform
Chuck Todd - Chief White House Correspondent, NBC News
David Rhodes Ben Rhodes - President, CBS News; Deputy National Security Advisor and speechwriter
Paul Ryan - Wisconsin Representative
Denis McDonough - Deputy National Security Adviser
Heather and Tony Podesta - Heather Podesta + Partners; Podesta Group
Chris Van Hollen - Maryland Representative
Paul D. Clement - Partner, Bancroft
Jim DeMint - South Carolina Senator
Kathy Ruemmler - White House Counsel
Joe Pounder - Research Director, Republican National Committee
Tim Scott - South Carolina Representative
Nancy Hogan - Director, Presidential Personnel
Brian Deese - Deputy Director, White House National Economic Council
Arne Duncan - Secretary of Education
Jake Sullivan - Director of Policy Planning, State Department
Ezra Klein - Blogger, The Washington Post
Rob Nabors - White House Director of Legislative Affairs
Bill Daley - (Former) Chief of Staff, White House
Patty Murray - Washington Senator
Capital Weather Gang - Bloggers, The Washington Post
Liz Cheney - Co-Founder, Keep America Safe
Mike Allen - Reporter, Politico
José Andrés - Restaurateur
Svetlana Legetic, Jayne Sandman, Barbara Martin - Party planners
Marco Rubio - Florida Senator
Jeremy Bernard - White House Social Secretary
Charles Krauthammer - Syndicated Columnist
Chris Dodd - Chairman, Motion Picture Association of America
Stephen Strasburg - Pitcher, Washington Nationals
Jack Quinn - Chairman, Quinn Gillespie Associates
James Alefantis - Restaurateur and Bon Vivant
Bradley Graham Lissa Muscatine - Owners, Politics Prose
José Andrés makes sense for the list as he has accomplished a lot more than owning restaurants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Andr%C3%A9s
http://www.lakitchen.org/
Svetlana Legetic : http://www.forbes.com/sites/lesliebradshaw/2011/08/17/how-an-architect-from-serbia-launched-a-dc-culture-blog-that-grew-into-an-events-company/#4583bd192197
Jayne Sandman / Barbara Martin : http://brandlinkdc.com/about/principals/
James Alefantis : ????
His pizza place is chosen for big fundraisers, but why?
The only time he ever seemed to come up was as the lover of David Brock back when they were an item, but David Brock is not on the list of "most powerful" people in D.C. despite crating and owning Media Matters for America and super PACS like Correct the Record.
Yet his ex-boyfriend James Alefantis is considered more powerful.
Ghoulwithnojob ago
I came across some accusations that Alefantis owns a contracting company and owns a property which he's turning into an art museum. Supposedly he is a co owner of another restaurant in Berlin with the guy who owns Dr. Pong. Alefantis is also the President of an art gallery exhibit held for very important people, including many ambassadors.
catslovejustice ago
"His pizza place is chosen for big fundraisers, but why? "
I have organized a number of events that involve feeding a bunch of people. The only time I organize an event that involves feeding people pizza is because I have no real budget to work with/those funding the event are cheapskates. DNC has a lot of money and they are trying to draw in more money via deep pockets. Doesn't make sense to have their fundraiser at a Chuck E Cheese kinda place with kids running around. Very fishy indeed.
AreWeSure ago
Correct the Record didn't even exist when they created that list.
Nobody "owns" Media Matters. It's a non profit.
Also it's a magazine article. Big Whoop. Are Channing Tatum and Chris Helmsworth less sexy than when they were Sexiest Man Alive! Does People magazine do scientific tests to measure their Sexyness! What's the unit of Sexiest? Is it the Jewel? The Swayze?
LaDonnaRae ago
And of course no one gets around that. Ever. Never. Which is why the FBI is investigating the Clinton Foundation. Because it is impossible for them to be engaging in illegal activities. Because they are a non-profit. Because non-profits always follow the law. They never work around it. Nope. Never. (GET REAL!)
ThighHighSwampBoots ago
He probably WAS like a pop up politician you see, like George Clooney; it LOOKS LIKE he's being groomed, but maybe, maybe not. Even Trump just got lucky. But nah. Too geh anyway.
concernedaboutitall ago
And funny how Tony and Heather Podesta are listed together... John Podesta isn't on the list.
LaDonnaRae ago
Right? And I would STILL like to know why he owns so many properties around the George Bush Intelligence Center.
B3nder ago
Slowly but surely I get the feeling that Alefantis and friends are imposing to be pedos to lure real pedos in, but on the other hand this is impossible because of the investigations from the web. Reading everyday about this stuff really makes me sad...
LaDonnaRae ago
No. Alefantis is most definitely a pedophile. Did you watch him carefully during the Megyn Kelly interview. Classic psychopath.
Julian55 ago
agree
AreWeSure ago
Also you are only searching the online site which is just the Gallery. Not the full article from the magazine Every person was given a little blurb of copy. Eater DC pulled out these quotes
His "power" seems to be on the social scene because people eat in his restaurants. You have heard of the idea of a "trendsetter."
whatonearth ago
Yeah... if you actually read the full articles that aren't on the site, you will see that the ranking isn't meant as a serious objective ranking of power in the federal government; it's the results of a survey they do every couple of years of big shots in DC to get an idea of who has "buzz" in the city on the various areas GQ is interested in. They deliberately exclude the president and vice president, and they encourage having some local flavor in the list by including who's hot in the local upper-crust social scene. They even admit straight up that the list is there to get people talking and arguing and buying the magazine so they can argue more -- see http://www.gq.com/story/the-50-most-powerful-people-in-washington
Remember GQ is not primarily a political magazine, it's a men's fashion and culture magazine that has a little bit of politics and sports in it. So it covers things like local socialites (hence the party planners in the list), the foodie scene (which is why there's always one or two local chefs in the list), arts and culture (that's why Politics & Prose is in there), and so on. The writers for GQ would probably laugh their heads off to learn that pizzagate thinks their list is meant to be some objective ranking of political power.
AreWeSure ago
Searching the quotes, I found this showing what appears to be his full GQ article
LaDonnaRae ago
I cannot wait to visit his "art" gallery in Georgetown.
LaDonnaRae ago
Sure. But OK. So he is such a "trend-setter" that he has 13 other properties in Washington D.C., McLean VA, Falls Church VA, and NY City? He sells THAT MUCH PIZZA? No way. And AGAIN, back to the Clinton Foundation (which is why I even care about the guy; I am not a sex-ring RICO cop) why is George Soros and the CF donating to him? Something else has to be going on. And I am sorry, but such a "trend-setter" would surely garner the interest of some lifestyle magazine editor who would have done at least one piece telling of his rise to fame.
AreWeSure ago
Is it surprising that a businessman who has two popular restaurants has other businesses? Not really.
If you have a track record and pay your bills on time, you could easily get bank loans. Pizza is probably not what he makes his money on. Booze is probably the biggest profit.
Nobody is "donating" to him, least of all George Soros. This is people misreading FEC reports.
You need articles about JA? Do these suffice? http://www.metroweekly.com/2015/04/from-scratch-james-alefantis/ http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/food/article/13037971/how-are-bucks-fishing-camping-and-comet-ping-pong-faring
LaDonnaRae ago
The first is an exact duplicate of another article and it is about Guy Fiero. The second really doesn't say much of anything other than about what's-her-name. I am talking about an actual feature article: Hello, Mr. Alefantis. Could you tell our readers how you got your start? "Well, blah, blah, blah." Where did you grow up? "Blah, blah." What got you into the pizza business? "Blah." How did you come up with the concept of Buck's? ETC.
AreWeSure ago
I guess he must operate a profitable international pedophile ring then.
LaDonnaRae ago
Which would explain his two trips to the White House right after Benghazi. I am convinced that is where this is going.
NotAnIdiot ago
I want to see Comet's books. I would bet large amounts of money that they are laundering money.
LaDonnaRae ago
I will be checking it out while I am there.
whatonearth ago
I assume he must have been pretty well off to begin with, considering the part of town he grew up in. And the Soros thing wasn't a donation, it clearly says it was a payment for catering services. Ask anyone you know who has had to put on a large catered event... maybe you have someone in your family who had to foot the bill for a large wedding reception... they can tell you how quickly the costs pile up.
LaDonnaRae ago
You have to connect the dots and not take things at face value. So, George Soros, the multi-billionaire, who lives in New York City and jets all over the world...the guy who has destroyed four countries and his trying to destroy this one, who "broke the Bank of England", calls James Alefantis for catering services? Why? Isn't he more of a lobster tail kinda guy? Add in all the weird crap going on at CPP, toss in their "art" and "music", and something else is happening here. Not to mention what I said in my article about Benghazi. WHY is he visiting the White House?
AreWeSure ago
How did the Weather Bloggers make 38?
38. Capital Weather Gang Bloggers, The Washington Post
Why did another restaurant owner make #41? 41. José Andrés Restaurateur
How did three party planner make #42? 42. Svetlana Legetic, Jayne Sandman, Barbara Martin Party planners
How did a pitcher make #47 47. Stephen Strasburg
Perhaps it's actually hard to come up with an interesting list of 50 and perhaps genuine power is not exactly the criteria. If you think style and trends and influences day to day life, it makes sense to have a baseball player and a couple of restaurant owners on the list. Also Weather Bloggers, they literally have the power to control the weather. Pitcher, Washington Nationals
LaDonnaRae ago
Yes, but GQ is more of a sideline issue to make the point that THERE IS NO BIOGRAPHY ON THE 49TH MOST POWERFUL PERSON IN WASHINGTON D.C. I can look up Strasburg and find out all about him.
teh_Dude ago
By bographies you mean wikipedia pages? I tried to find other wiki pages from people in that list and I couldn't find some of them too. Honest question, not trying to bash your post, bro.
LaDonnaRae ago
I mean anything! Anything at all! No Wiki, no magazine, no newspaper. Nothing. Non-existent.
AreWeSure ago
GQ is not the sideline issue. They made the list. They used their own criteria to make the list.
Of course, you can look up information on Strasburg, he's an All-Star baseball player. You can look up info on any major league baseball player, even the scrubs. That's not surprising at all. Pro sports occupies a giant place in our culture and there's only a small number of pro athletes. Every newspaper has a whole section dedicated to sports.
My point about Strasburg is what is his power? How does he yield this power outside his day job of pitching for the Nationals? What about the weather bloggers? Or the party planners?
Anyone who is taking this list as some absolute accounting of power in America, or even just in DC, is taking things waaaaay too literally.
LaDonnaRae ago
Except that it appears to be true. How else do you account for donations from both the Clinton Foundation and George Soros? Where is he getting hundreds of millions of dollars to buy thirteen high-priced properties? From PIZZA?
AreWeSure ago
He is not getting donations from them. You're completely off track there and don't understand how FEC reports work.
Also hundreds of millions of dollars? Not a real estate person are you? You are off on the value of these properties and the amount of upfront money needed to acquire them.
LaDonnaRae ago
HELLO??? 1) There is a BIG, FAT, HUGE ARTICLE on his purchase in Kalorama! (BTW, Podesta bought one, too.) 2) There is something called a "TAX ASSESSOR'S OFFICE"! 3) Why the FUCK are you defending these people?!
AreWeSure ago
You don't have to lay out the entire value of a property to buy it.
Hi.
LaDonnaRae ago
Yes. I realize that. But I doubt I can buy thirteen properties in four different counties spanning two states and the District with just "good looks" and a pizza joint for collateral.
AreWeSure ago
What values do you put on the properties to get to $200 million?
bolus ago
you put down 20%. at least, and show that you've got revenue to cover the rest over time.
if your credit says you can afford 200 million dollars worth of house, you have a shit ton of assets, potential or otherwise.
AreWeSure ago
200 million is a ridiculous figure is one of my points.
bolus ago
understand what you're saying now, i misunderstood.
LaDonnaRae ago
I am not a real estate agent. However, I have bought a house (not recently). I know it is not easy jumping through hoops to get ONE. Never mind THIRTEEN, one of which is in NEW YORK CITY, one of the two highest-priced cities in the country!
DustyRadio ago
His "power ranking" on its face is baffling. I have a hard time believing he is CIA because of how... public... he has been with his posts and crazy shit up until people began digging. Wouldn't he be less ostentatious if he was CIA? I could see the elites thinking they could brand anyone who called the shitbag out on his creepy posts as "homophobic" because they have used that label so successfully to brand people in the recent years... but I have a hard time believing the CIA would be directly partnered with someone so sloppy. JMO.
LaDonnaRae ago
Sometimes intelligence agencies will use idiots because it gives them plausible deniability if/when the person gets caught. But, he is far too eager to do the twisted things he is doing for me to believe he is an actual employee. In fact, he is so out there I doubt they would even use him as PD. But someone has to be behind him. Where is he getting all of this money that he has thirteen very high-dollar properties? From selling PIZZA? Did David Brock give him a zillion dollars? And AGAIN, NO BIO TO BE FOUND? There is way more to this guy.
DustyRadio ago
Soros has been shown to be a CPP donor, right? His name tied to it surely gives pause. I could see HIM working with this sicko and hanging him out to dry when he is no longer useful to their cause, whatever it really is. :/
LaDonnaRae ago
You are right.
Marthvedderette ago
Someone did a great piece on his genealogy. It was posted yesterday on v/pizzagate.
LaDonnaRae ago
His genealogy? How in hell did they come up with that when we have no idea who he is? Where is the link? I am still new to Voat and have not figured out how to find things very well yet.
Marthvedderette ago
Someone got an account for one of those genealogical web thingy
LaDonnaRae ago
Um, you mean Ancestry.com?
Marthvedderette ago
Yeah I guess. It was a really well put together post, and now I can't find it. He found out that Alefontis is his real last name, his father was connected to Boy Scouts of America, go figure, he found a bunch of other odd things, suggesting his family has been doing this sort of thing for generations.
LaDonnaRae ago
You mean, this? https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1440343
Marthvedderette ago
Yeah. I guess those are some large leaps to say this is generational, I don't mean to slander the guy. Until some authorities investigate this case, and he is questioned, this is all just pure speculation. I must say though, the evidence that has been gathered by internet sleuths is not doing him any favors.
LaDonnaRae ago
That is what we are working on.
Lunari ago
I think this is (most likely) the post they were referring to.
LaDonnaRae ago
Great information! Thank you! I will check it out.
LaDonnaRae ago
I can try, but I doubt they will answer me. LOL
LaDonnaRae ago
So because he was David Brock's boyfriend he got to visit the White House five times? And specifically on September 26 & 27, 2012? Why does he own so many properties within a mile of the George Bush Intelligence Center (McLean)? So many questions.
pizzathrowaway ago
Anyone can visit the white house.
LaDonnaRae ago
Not the way he did.
dafacts ago
yeah people don't generally just "visit" the White House 2 days in a row. "oh, you again.. back for another tour?". He had some business there...
AliBambii ago
One time he visited the WH coincided with a visit on the same day by Laura Silsby - the woman caught with trying to smuggle 33 children out of Haiti.
LaDonnaRae ago
Most definitely.
Scoundrel ago
Did you see the times as well.. all in the late evening?
LaDonnaRae ago
Yes. I sure wish I had subpoena power.
ZalesMcMuffin ago
So a S.O. of David Brock is more powerful than 90% of the actual members of the US federal government? Howzat work?
jonnythaiwongy9 ago
Because politicians do what they're told by the people who control them, the donors, and are vulnerable to public opinion. Brock with his propaganda can sway vast swathes of the public. It's a damning indictment of power and political culture
ZalesMcMuffin ago
But Brock wasn't the 49th guy on the list. Alefantis was.
jonnythaiwongy9 ago
True, it is strange, is Brock higher on the list? They're hardly facting in the influence that comes with providing children or drugs? I know back in the day Larry King would have been named one of the most influential in political circles, and I spose the rumours were around that he was into chikldren and drugs, the supply of them... hard to know what it is that GQ is saying, because there surely is no legitimate way he should be this powerful, unless they're factoring in illegal things....
ZalesMcMuffin ago
Hence why we carp on and on about it. ;-)
LaDonnaRae ago
Wondering
Marthvedderette ago
The honeypot black mail technique. You get a bunch of people to play ping pong, then you roll out the naked little kids, then who ever doesn't bail on the party out of pure disgust, is instantly compromised due to the fact that the entire place you are in is heavily bugged with cameras and microphones. The ones who stay that are photographed with the naked kids are fucked. The ones who actually engage in sex with the kids are ultimate puppets. Also to note the government uses pedos in the military to become puppets. Say you are a suspected pedo fresh faced in the military. They find out you like fucking kids, they come to you saying "we know you like to fuck kids, you have two options. We can report you to the proper authorities, or we can work something out where you do what we say". You can see the power that they wield with having an unlimited supply of children to use in this matter. You can also see that no one is given a position of power, unless they are mailable. It appears that James Alefontis might be the procurer of children for this technique, which would explain his 49th most powerful person in DC title, ladies and gentlemen of the jury. This ultimately keeps good people from obtaining positions of power.
LaDonnaRae ago
Makes sense.
Selnee ago
I'm out of upvotes but yeah very good point!
21yearsofdigging ago
My theory for what it's worth is that he is a C.I.A. asset and he is in the business of finding and pimping out children.
LaDonnaRae ago
Yeah, I keep hearing that theory about CIA, but I am still not quite buying it. There may be some rogue group within CIA doing it, but I cannot believe CIA 1) would endorse such activities and that 2) Congress has never discovered them? I am sorry; I grew up studying CIA and when people beginning spewing dark underworld conspiracy theories about them I balk. Yes, they engage in clandestine activities, but CIA as an institution is not a pedophile ring. I will just have to leave the jury out on that one for now.
stickittotheman ago
you need to watch some Ted Gunderson
LaDonnaRae ago
I have. I am buried. Completely buried. But yes, I have. Again, this is about focus. We can spend the rest of our lives running every single possible scenario in existence. But if we want to take the CF down, we have to narrow it down. Did you go to college? You do not do a dissertation on everything-in-the-fucking-world. You outline a topic, then you narrow it down. Then you zero in. I am in the "zero in" phase.
stickittotheman ago
Sorry, i didnt take the course on how to take down a global pedo ring in college. I have been following this stuff and the occult for over 20 years now though. I know this thread went off the rails but the CIA is a central part of the whole operation imo and definitely should not be overlooked. Peace.
LaDonnaRae ago
You are forgetting the Podesta emails, as well as what FBIAnon told us! Screw college for a second and pay attention! "Private security experts". Remember? That is how the Clinton Foundation has waged this war. Let me tell you something that is not very popular. I have spoken to Kris Paronto repeatedly and we had a huge falling-out. Why? Because I knew he was hiding something and he kept saying "someone will have to come forward". Why not him? Well, now I have a pretty good-fucking-idea. Why was that "CIA annex" there in the first place? Spying on gun-running? HELLO? CIA was DROPPING the fucking guns into Syria so what was to watch? "Private security experts." Hmmmm. Just who signed his paychecks? WHY did Hillary refuse to do what was necessary in order to turn that compound into a consulate? WHY? Maybe because if she made it an official consulate or, God forbid, an embassy, MARINES would have been there! This is NOT CIA!!!!! Yes, Petraeus was running fucking sarin gas into Syria and I hope he fries for war crimes. But this was NOT an official CIA operation! Why don't you CIA haters open your eyes and see what happened? OR, are you paid shills trying to SELL this bullshit story?
LaDonnaRae ago
One last thing. According to Paronto's OWN BOOK, he was in all of the wrong places at all of the wrong times. He did not reach the compound until AFTER the attack. He was on building A when building D was hit. Yet he is somehow a hero. BTW, WHERE IN HELL IS DYLAN DAVIES? HE shot the photos that night. HE was of extreme interest to Paronto. He said "Tell Davies he needs to speak to me directly." REALLY? So he was in charge of Davies? There are so many questions about "13 Hours" I cannot count them all. SO, before you give me any more CIA conspiracy theories, please tell me WHO IN HELL was signing Paronto's paychecks! Because I think he was one of those "private security experts".
LaDonnaRae ago
Let me ask you something else. Paronto says he cannot speak because of his confidentiality agreement. Meanwhile, he writes a book (which, if you read it, was self-aggrandizing and TRASHED Delta Force!), and makes a movie. WHAT confidentiality agreement, and if he is such a fucking patriot (maybe, like David Petraeus, whom we find out committed war crimes), WHY IN HELL HAS HE NOT THROWN CAUTION TO THE WIND AND TALKED ABOUT THE FUCKING HUMAN TRAFFICKING GOING THROUGH BENGHAZI??? He is not CIA. He was on the CF payroll. When you get with the program, call me.
ejd4500 ago
It being a pedophile ring isn't wholly accurate - but compromising and controlling political actors with it is a very common tool. And...some of them "sample"
They tried to sway the elections with 'Russia, Russia, Russia' (anyone bump Trump)
They tried to sway the Electors with 'Russia, Russia, Russia' (anyone but Trump)
They're going to say Russia is pushing fake news (to crack down on us exposing them)
What other options do they have to stop Trump getting into office? Marital Law? Murder? Mass Protest on inauguration day?
I'll call it right now
The Greenbaum speech should answer some of your questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FUersarZuo
http://www.wanttoknow.info/mind_control/mind_control_hypnosis_ritual_abuse
jonnythaiwongy9 ago
Keep in mind Iran-contra, and CIA meddling in DEA affairs relating to Escobar investigation. DEA agents believed CIA were covering disgraceful activities. CIA instrumental in utilising Nazi war criminals after WW2 for MKULTRA experiments and regime change/secret police in Chile, Argentina and others. Finally, there's a book written by a Russian Jew about his career in Mossad. The things they get up to, fucking hell, and heavily involved in escort agencies in America to blackmail elites. He seems to be credible, granted CIA isn't Mossad, but I'd bet the CIA wud be willing to go as far.
LaDonnaRae ago
More conspiracy theory BULLSHIT on a thread about the #ClintonFoundation! WOULD YOU PEOPLE STICK TO THE DAMNED SUBJECT?
speckledcat ago
You realize the CIA brought Coke and Crack in to the urban centers to fund the war in the south americas right? That alone is enough to make someone throw up. Now lets talk about the man Dulles, How many dictators did he prop up? How many democratic elected governments did he overthrow so the american imperialism could continue. That man is reprehensible and a war criminal. Or hell the CIA in Vietnam that started that war? They will do anything to further the goals they want and drugs, guns, and kids are the way to achieve it.
That is just the start of the CIA and know today, imagine what is out there now.
LaDonnaRae ago
Why does everyone focus on CIA? No one ever looks at KGB activity in this country. Kudos to the KGB. They trained you well.
speckledcat ago
actually the mosad are the ones you are after. but hey keep it up. talk about being trained well.
LaDonnaRae ago
More stupidity. I love it, though. The more shills who follow me to other social outlets the MORE I AM CONVINCED I AM ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
speckledcat ago
you got me comrade. we here in russia see the decadent west and want it so bad, the freedoms of being spied on (stasi are blushing), Your giant nuclear missiles (limp), and your weak american beer. Let us not forget your rock n roll (drivel). Now it will be our Red October comrade. we shall take the west. Heil Trump we have won! do you want me to put in a good word comrade?
I am here to catch kiddy diddlers not BS like above.
LaDonnaRae ago
You are not here to do shit but harass real investigators. BLOCKED.
NotAnIdiot ago
It's been proven that they do exactly this kind of stuff.
LaDonnaRae ago
"They", who? I do not have time for conspiracy theories, and there is a specific topic for this thread.
NotAnIdiot ago
The CIA. I thought that was relatively clear.
LaDonnaRae ago
And I have commented on that ad nauseum. I do not have time to discuss who is good and who is bad at CIA.
NotAnIdiot ago
My point is that this:
Is incredibly wrong.
LaDonnaRae ago
No, you have just been drinking the anti-CIA Koolaid. Now STOP! That is NOT the topic of this thread!
NotAnIdiot ago
It kind of became the topic when you responded with that insanely wrong comment. Don't tell me what I'm allowed to comment on.
LaDonnaRae ago
It is MY thread, and it is limited in scope. If you want to rag on CIA, start a thread "CIA ARE THE BASTARDS OF THE UNIVERSE" and have at it.
NotAnIdiot ago
Just because you made the thread doesn't mean we aren't allowed to respond to what you say unless you want.
Also, why are you so insistent about the CIA? What are you trying to do?
LaDonnaRae ago
If you paid any attention to what I have been writing for the past week or so you would know the answer to that question. And this is the last time I am responding to you. (WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO BLOCK PEOPLE?)
NotAnIdiot ago
I haven't been paying attention to you. You aren't that important.
Sentastixc ago
No not the whole organization, but it is very possible for the top people and people in key positions to be privately involved. The CIA narrative comes from the Bush family. This is a proven criminal family that has been shaping the way the CIA institutionally looks for decades.
If you want to know more about this read Jeb! and the Bush Crime Family by Roger Stone.
LaDonnaRae ago
Yes, of course.
retreaux ago
"I cannot believe"
That's called incredulity.
21yearsofdigging ago
Well there was the Finders, a group within the CIA. Much of this is compartmentalized within alphabet agencies. MKULTRA never ended it simply went more underground and secretive(plus very advanced now with virtual technology to terrorized the children). To properly trauma disassociate a child anal sex in required around the age of 3. One hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing which is why we are seeing leaks springing out. Some inside the agencies are fucking fed up Here's something on the Finders although there is plenty other information out there. https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/27lqws/the_finders_deep_child_abuse_groupcult/
LaDonnaRae ago
Which is what I said. Such activities, if/when/where they exist, would never be endorsed by the agency as an organization. Hence the word "rogue".
Blacksmith21 ago
Does the name TREADSTONE sound familiar?
Julian55 ago
I am not convinced
Blacksmith21 ago
I agree, to a point. You have to realize that the "political" arm of the CIA is joined at the hip with State and it's various entities. State is dirty and rotten to its core, on the political side. My belief is that is where you are going find the real nastiness is inside State and it's infrastructure (planes, ships, warehouses, etc.) who is really doing most of this.
CIA may like the idea of honeypotting foreign agents, but it is the diplomats most likely to be able to get the into the requisite compromising position.
Blacksmith21 ago
Furthermore - want to know about the logistics infrastructure? Check out International Narcotics and Law. Most of your sordid AFG contractor stories roll up under INL.
LaDonnaRae ago
That is a much more sane explanation for some of the conspiracy theories I keep seeing and hearing. IF you get yourself into trouble, and CIA can use it to their advantage they will. But that is YOUR problem, not theirs. Same with the KGB. They were/are notorious for taking people's natural inclinations, finding the opportunity to photograph/videotape it, and then own you for the rest of your life.
militant ago
No offence but it sounds a bit naive to me.
NoBS ago
Circumstantial evidence validates your educated guess. It's not like the Spooks could use the media to hide in plan sight /s
Sentastixc ago
Indeed. This is one of the main pieces of circumstantial evidence that proves that more is going on than meets the eye.
comeonpeople ago
This would only make a lick of sense if you had reason to believe that the GQ writer putting the list together had the inside scoop on the pedophilia ring and decided to, rather than cover it up, mysteriously stick James on the list because of it.
James is on the list because it's a lifestyle magazine and he was a young, hip gay guy with a popular restaurant.
wtf_is_happening ago
JA visited the White House six times, didn't he (recalled from memory of watching one of David Seaman's pizzagate youtube videos)? Also JA was David Brock's boyfriend, so he was very politically connected. The restaurant/chef identity is kind of a smokescreen IMO.
djklbd ago
This^
pizzathrowaway ago
The same article also named the guys running the Washington Post weather blog as in the top 50. And another restauranteur, Jose Andres, and three women who work as party planners. It's GQ, not a serious politics mag, so I think they just might have been trying to throw some people in who don't work in politics so it's not super boring.
cosmicmind ago
I'm not sure about that.... I'm guessing the owner at a florist shop, or a taxi-cab company owner might wonder why they were over-looked, if that were the case. The mag would state that their the most socialite business owner, or some other type of identification, instead of the most influential/powerful.
Something's not right there. What's GQ's overall deal, other than a mag about gentlemen?
pizzathrowaway ago
It's mostly about fashion and style and culture.
LostandFound ago
There's quite a bit that would substantiate the claim, to dismiss it is nearly to admit defeat and stop looking when there's much more to understanding why he was 49th.
JA was socialising with the number 23 on the same list Tony and Heather Podesta from as far back as 2004 in a private party for Anna Gaskel at the Podestas house. JA owns two resteraunts in DC, property associated with the pegasus project on DC. He runs a 501 3c not for profit which is an art dealership and more Transformer DC, which frequently hosts exclusive gatherings. Co owns a resteraunt in Berlin Germany nalu diner.
He was dating David Brock for christ sake. David has been described by Time magazine as “one of the most influential operatives in the Democratic Party.”
And that's just what we know about, from searching Google at the time it was published. God knows what else he has going on now. He's not badly placed at 49 and that's not the real question. The question you need to really ask is how did this flunky get started. It's not rags to riches here, it's still blank to hanging out with a Saudi funded individual and artists that sexualise children in 04.
redditsuckz ago
Alefantis was probably groomed to be a child trafficker.
Child Traffickers are needed for the elite...there cant be a shortage of them so they need to create them and groom them from birth.
His father Achilles Alefantis AKA Lee Alefantis was supposedly freinds with Donald M. Kohnstamm on Facebook...he MIGHT be the son of Max Kohnstamm who was with the Bilderberg Group;
He was a former member of the Steering Committee of the Bilderberg Group. He was the Founding European Chairman of the Trilateral Commission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Kohnstamm
Son of Max?...Donald M. Kohnstamm;
http://archive.is/gPfqy
stickittotheman ago
Im sure he has ties way up the foodchain...and all them donations to Hillary monthly keeps him well protected.
CaroleLandis ago
I just found Donald M. Kohnstamm in the 1940 census. His father was Maro Jacque Kohnstamm (1908-1997), so apparently not. But according to the census Maro Jacque Kohnstamm was originally from Pennsylvania, which is where Susan Shoemaker Alefantis' Shoemaker ancestors were from before coming to the Buffalo, NY area. That might be something to explore.
contrary_mma_hipster ago
I would guess that a significant portion of pedo ring participants, including Alefantis, are former victims.
cosmicmind ago
If you listen to/read the story of children survivors the child of the leaders are usually groomed to be a leader. They're all victims, but the person in a leader position still has more power it appears...... From what I can make of that shitstain of a culture.
Scoundrel ago
bingo
jonnythaiwongy9 ago
Rusty Nelson, victim of, and later pornographer for Larry King of the Franklin scandal comes to mind. In that case they seemed to use many victims to recruit other victims
LaDonnaRae ago
Thank you. I will take a look.
cosmicmind ago
Shoemaker is commonly a German name no?
There might be some deeper connections to his German pingpong group?
Just a thought.
LaDonnaRae ago
Possibly. I just walked in the door. I will think about that when I catch my breath. LOL
LaDonnaRae ago
Absolutely!